Don't let the current news stories get to your heads!

[Taxi Driver]

Many people here, as a response to the news of the past two weeks, have said things that are suprisingly unprogressive.

1. There were the almost jingoistic threads about how there should be no amendment passed to allow immigrants to run for president. I perfectly understand the reasons why such an amendment would not be advantageous for us, but you have to admit that allowing immigrants to run for president IS a progressive goal even if it is to be used to let Schwarzenegger to run for president or vice-president. What's more disturbing is some of the rhetoric that has been used by some members of this community in opposition to the amendment. I've seen things written in the vein of, "This is my country, and immigrants should never be allowed to have the presidency at the expense of a US native."

2. Calling Rush Limbaugh a hypocrite is, in my opinion, appropriate. However, saying you hope he suffers like hell from withdrawal is cruel and sounds like something he would say. Also I'm shocked at some of the posts that say he should get jail time. Sure, he might get jailed in accordance with Florida law; but that doesn't stop imprisoning people with a disease (addiction) absolutely WRONG. Again, this is an example of jettisoning a progressive ideal when it is expedient to do so.

3. The CIA-gate story is probably the best thing that's happened for us this year, and I expect, and hope, that it is used against Bush by the nine candidates. But on a board that is supposed to be progressive I'm appalled by the overuse of the word "treason," which, though it may be fun to throw back in the faces of people like Ann Coulter, is just a repulsive jingoistic word. Saying that Bush tried to prevent those with intelligence from speaking out at the expense of national security is more appropriate. And Valerie Plame isn't innocent herself; she worked for THE MOST bloodthirsty organization in the world: the CIA. And I swear if I see one more thread here praising the CIA I'm going to puke. The CIA is the embodiment of evil. From the 1953 Iranian coup, to the coup in Chile on September 11th decades ago, to the support of the mujaheddin in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union (you should read up what kind of disgusting things the mujaheddin did to Soviet POWs), to all sorts of anti-democratic and brutal activities, all supposedly in the name of freedom.

So don't let the current news stories get to your heads.

[arcane1]

1. hmmm

1. I couldn't care less if a president was foreign-born

2- Rush should go to jail, not for being an addict, but for being involved in a CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE. If he were getting his drugs VIA PERSCRIPTION, that would be another story. He wasn't. He was using his maid to ILLEGALY obtain medicines that other people had to do without. This has NOTHING to do with the disease of addiction. You may as well say that an addict who kills someone and steals their money, doesn't deserve to do time? please...

3- Let's see. A CIA agent who works in the WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION is outed, now all of her global contacts are destroyed. Any enemies of ours that were involved are now AIDED and COMFORTED by the fact that all her work has been RUINED, and now any enemy agents out there know whom NOT to talk to, etc...

if it's not treason, what is it?

[Taxi Driver]

2. RE:

1. So we agree.

2. Buying drugs illegally and killing someone and stealing money are two different things. I don't think people who buy drugs for personal use should be prosecuted. The maid was his dealer.

3. It is treason, but it's disingenuous to use that term. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth because it sounds Republican. And that term could be used to describe the people who went to Iraq as human shields to prevent war and are now facing prison time and +$100,000 fines. I don't like the word. End of story.

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[Taxi Driver]

5. The word treason is thrown around

by the right to describe the human shields. That is a fact. Maybe you should read my goddamn post before spouting off your obscenities and cursing. The word treason is a word that arouses patriotic feelings and goes against my principles. I, as a progressive, don't like it. Simple as that.

[Skittles]

9. I DID READ YOUR POST

AND THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU F***ING SAID

[Taxi Driver]

25. Can you watch the language please?

How old are you to be using such silly terms?

[arcane1]

28. you mean like "goddamn"?

to borrow your line about the word 'treason':

"The word goddamn is a word that arouses religious feelings and goes against my principles. I, as a progressive, don't like it. Simple as that."

[Taxi Driver]

30. That's very rude thank you. n/t

[arcane1]

31. you said it, not I

[Skittles]

44. YOU ARE NOT FOOLING ME ONE BIT TAXI DRIVER

NOT AT ALL.

[arcane1]

4. questions:

2- how did Rush's maid aquire these drugs, which are for prescription only? Simply out, laws were broken and he should be subject to them, addict or not. Somewhere out there, were people who had legitimate reasons to need those medicines.

3- your dislike of the word doesn't change the definition. You yourself admit it's treason, but ask us not to call it that?

[Taxi Driver]

7. Re:

2. The maid probably acquired the drugs from other dealers. I've lived in Miami, the drug capital of America, and can attest to how easy it is to illegally acquire prescription drugs in Florida. The laws were broken, but I am saying that the laws are wrong. Addiction is a DISEASE and threatening the DISEASED with imprisonment where they are likely to come out with AIDS is counterproductive. Your last sentence is not really relevant because it's not like illegal peddling of prescription drugs drains the supply of Rx drugs.

3. It is technically treason, and I expect the candidates to use that word to appeal to patriot-fanatics in the center and the right. I am only displeased with the emphasis on that ON THIS BOARD. The more important point I'd say, is that Bush used that type of garbage to prevent people from proving that his war was a fraud.

[arcane1]

12. sigh..

2- again, nobody is saying Rush should go to jail for his addiction, he should go to jail for the CRIMES he committed. No idea what the AIDS rant has to do with anything.. RUsh was a firm believer in those laws, and knew EXACTLY what he was getting into. Even if there was a virtually unlimited supply of the meds available, changes nothing. And where did the maid's dealer get them from?

3- correct, it is technically treason. I fail to understand why you would insist on pretending that it is not. I call them like I see them. What Bush said about his critics is irrelevant. He also says he believes in God, calls himself a Christian. Should Liberal Christians start calling themselves something else, because Bush mis-applied the term to himself? Your arguement makes no sense

What would YOU call it, if not treason (which you admit it was)?

[Lizz612]

16. #2

Just because the laws are wrong doesn't mean they shouldn't be applied. There are well established methods for removing bad laws. And we cannot allow one man to not be held responsible, especially in a high profile case. Nor will Rush's sentencing stop us from trying to reform the laws he was sentenced under.
Sure the law is bad, and were trying to make it better but until then the law must still be upheld.

[nannygoat]

41. If the human shields face jail time and fines then that evil Dick Cheney

should, too. His former (current?) company did business with Iraq (Rumsfeld, too). These are the traitors--people who made money doing business with Iraq when it was prohibited and who sold chemicals and weapons that would later be used on innocent people (and our own troops); not the American citizens who went to Iraq to protest the illegal, monstrous, impending actions of their government.

[kmla]

6. Not all democrats are progressive...

And not republicans are conservative. The DU board is a board where everyone gets their say, and can do so freely as long as they do so in a responsible way. We should be proud of that here.

1. This is an issue that there is no clear cut right or wrong answer. I for one is of the opinion that someone who is elected president SHOULD be a natural born US citizen. Doesn't make my opinion wrong, just different from yours.

2. It should not be a shock that some people wish ill upon Rush Limbaugh - he has demonstrated the gift of wishing ill on others for years. For some people, it is a shift in karma - eventually, it will come around to bite you in the ass, as it did for Rush. (seeing him stew in his own soup is OK, so to speak). Admonishing us for not turning the other cheek is slightly condescending, IMO. Turning the other cheek sometimes only results in a welt on TWO cheeks. Sometimes being indignant is a benefit. The fatass is eating his "just desserts".

3. Painting the entire CIA as "the embodiment of evil" is akin to blaming the entire government for the wrongdoing of the Bush Administration. Does your postal carrier have anything to say about whether or not we invaded Iraq? I realize that is a slight stretch, but my point is that most people on the CIA payroll are not involved in nefarious plots. Most of them are performing jobs, just like everyone else. You can't blame Joe Lunchbox for the evils of smog and global warming, just as you can't blame the lower level operatives for government overthrows. Those decisions come from the top down...

Just my $.02.

Edited for Quayle-like spelling..

[eileen_d]

8. What word do you suggest to replace "treason"? n/t

[Skittles]

10. probably

"leak" :puke:

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[arcane1]

15. I'm waiting for one to inevitably suggest...

that we hold back on criticizing the president, because it makes the left "look bad"

[KoKo]

13. This sounds like a "wag your finger" post. This is a discussion Forum and

while many times I've gotten upset with comments that were "over the top," I think you've focused on a minority of posts and not the counter-arguments which go on in threads.

Your post has a condescending tone, which may be what you feel towards some of the posters here, but I think arguing your points with them on a thread when you don't agree is more appropriate than starting a new post where you appear to paint us all with the same brush.

IMHO.....there are other sides to your argument, as you know.

[quinnox]

14. My take

1. Disagree, the president should be native born. As a practical matter, this will always remain on the books, yes I know Hatch wants to change it, but it isn't going to happen.

2. Agree

3. Disagree, it is treason to expose a CIA agent and possibly put their life in danger.

[mgc1961]

22. For what it's worth...

treason n. 1 violation by a subject of allegiance to the sovereign or to the state, esp. by attempting to kill or overthrow the soverign or to overthrow the government.

I agree with Taxi Driver. I think the use of "treason" stretches the definition a little. My thinking is: where do we go from there for really egregious crimes against the state. For example, if someone attempted to take congress hostage or dissolve it with force, that would clearly be treason but, revealing the identity of a spy doesn't seem to rise the same level of threat to the government.

In legalese, however, it may very well be considered such.

:shrug:

[newyawker99]

49. Hi mgc1961!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[spooky3]

17. Black and white are not the only colors in the spectrum.

(actually, white is the absence of color, but you know what I mean). There are many different reasons people may hold for their views, and many opinions that do not fall neatly into the categories you seem to be describing. The threads I've read reflect many views and reasons for them.

1. Am I mistaken, or is the "you must have been born in the US" not a constitutional requirement? Why would I want the Congress and the states to spend their limited time preparing an amendment to change this, then debating it, then getting it pushed through the state legislatures and so forth, when there are many, many huge problems facing this country?

2. Whether a law is good for society or should be changed (and it is not clear that all good Democrats or progressives should agree on drug laws independent of Limbaugh) is quite different from whether laws should be evenly applied to citizens regardless of their wealth, color, political views, and other irrelevancies. Serving time also does not preclude treatment. In this case, if Limbaugh is guilty of offenses that carry prison terms, and others normally convicted receive them, he should be treated the same way. If he is an addict, he should also receive treatment, which I understand he is well able to afford and no one is preventing him from receiving.

3. If I can get up on the "high horse" with you for a moment, I was disturbed by your sentence "The CIA-gate story is probably the best thing that's happened for us this year, and I expect, and hope, that it is used against Bush by the nine candidates." It is NOT the "best thing" for anyone. It is a horrifying story for Ms. Plame and her husband and everyone this story jeopardizes, and it is terrible for all of us, given how dependent we are right now on good intelligence. And I believe that the word "treason" is part of the law concerning the alleged act.

[Taxi Driver]

18. The frothing at the mouth scares me

I swear it sounds like rabid dogs on some threads. I think DU is a great site that allows the politically aware segment of the people discuss news and opinions, but frothing at the mouth with hate-filled comments is freeper-syndrome.

I'm not turning the other cheek at Rush Limbaugh. If he obtained drugs illegally, then he should be prosecuted according to the law of his state. In fact I am pretty sure there is an investigation going on right now. However, I do not think that Rush Limbaugh's addiction (addiction, not his methods of obtaining his drugs) should be treated with contempt. Sure he's a nasty guy who has advocated imperialism, death, and fascism, but he has health problems. And one should not use this sort of invective when speaking about his ILLNESS.

This is just my opinion though.

[Skittles]

20. you

are not fooling me one bit.

You don't understand the derision shown towards Rush? That santimonious f***ing gasbag has undermined us, called us TRAITORS for daring to question King George, for YEARS. He has NO SYMPATHY WHATSOEVER to the plight of others, INCLUDING DRUG ADDICTS. We know what will happen to Rush - he'll go to rehab and come straight back to this disgusting job on the radio - lying to and misleading Americans. He's getting the amount of sympathy he F***ING DESERVES.

[Taxi Driver]

23. Hating him is one thing

hating him for being a drug addict is another. It's wrong morally.

[arcane1]

26. please copy and paste...

exactly where Skittles mentions hating him for being a drug addict

[Skittles]

27. Thank you

go read my previous posts on Rush threads; I have extreme sympathy for drug addicts. But I don't actively trash them as part of my job.

[T Roosevelt]

19. Have to disagree

1. There is nothing progressive about wanting to change the Constitution. It clearly states natural born, and I don't see how wanting to allow a non-natural, someone who has no birthrite or stake in this country is progressive.

2. Wanting a criminal to avoid jail time is not progressive. Rush has potentially committed a crime, one for which he is more than happy to decry others and demand they rot in jail. Call it karma, but he should get exactly that.

3. A felony was committed, one that has damaged our intelligence network and our national security. That is treason, and should be pursued and prosecuted accordingly. Ignoring this is not progressive - it is irresponsible.

[Taxi Driver]

21. Sorry but your #1 makes no sense

A non-natural is "someone who has no birthrite or stake in this country"? that's a pretty bold statement. Anyways this country is pretty backwards politically. There are no tacit experience-based requirements for holding public office. For instance, we have nitwits like Jesse Ventura, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Ronald Reagan elected to high positions when they have no qualifications, YET you would not allow an immigrant to run for office even if he is a Political Science major and Law School grad.

Makes no sense.

[arcane1]

24. what is your take on the age requirement?

should a qualified 25-year-old be allowed as well?

just curious

[Taxi Driver]

29. A 25 year old-yes. Someone under 21-no. n/t

[T Roosevelt]

33. Not what I said

The Constitution explicitly states that only natural born citizens are eligible for president (Article II, Section 1). I see no reason to change this; persons not born in this country do not necessarily have the best interests of this country in mind (though some who were don't either). I said nothing of qualifications (though it would be nice to have some minimum requirements...like experience).

[SOteric]

43. Because such an individual

would be challenged unduly in loyalties such political tensions or wars break out with their native community, I oppose such a proposition.

It would be unwise in the extreme to elect a leader who might be reluctant to go to war with their native country, where perhaps their parents, siblings and a large extended family still make their home.

More insidious than the potential of war or tensions between countries, an unfavourable trade relationship and foreign policy nightmare can unfold if there is any favouritism, or even perceived favouritism shown a birth country by a president.

It is even more important in the world arena that the U.S. be perceived as wise and equitable in their dealings with other nations since the hopeless conflagration cause by George W. Bush.

Don't let the opinions of newspapers concern you overmuch. I assure you I am a progressive and a clear-thinking individual, even if my political opinions differ in a few matters from yours. ;-)

[Mari333]

32. after 323 dead soldiers, 1400 or more wounded and thousands of dead

civilians and wounded civilians in an illegal invasion, after watching my elderly mom file bankruptcy, after waiting to see if my son is sent overseas, after watching my sister lose her job , after all of this Im supposed to stand around with my finger up my arse and not vent about my anger at an illegal group of thugs who stole my country and are trying to murder my son and stepson in an illegal war?

I dont think so.
Ive had enough abuse by this coup of thugs , liars, and bastards .

[WALib]

34. stories should go to our head & out our mouths

1. As a american citizen I have the right, No duty to speak out and stand up for what I believe. After all that is what American truly is ...WE THE PEOPLE. we the people have our opinions & I dont care what people think of what i say. It's my voice and my right to my opinion. That is what is wrong with democrats they havent been standing up & being counted.

2. Rush limbaugh should due jail time. Why cuz he BROKE THE LAW, period. He spends 3 hours day spounting his opinion so the freepers will know what to believe. This outing is a lesson is how hypercrites get a free pass. Where is the "outrage about Tommy Chong doing 9 mos in federal prison for selling "bongs" over the internet. As for Rush's addiction ..why is he the only one that isnt suppose to take personal responsiblity when thats all him & his freepers preach. Stand up and be proud that u want consistency in the law. If we dont show our outrage then he walks ...if it was lets say ...one of Gore's daughters or hey what about all the crap about Gore's son for smoking pot ??? So now cuz he is sick we should say a prayer and let him free ..I say hell No !!! and proud of it

3. The traitor in the WH ..thats right its not a leaker its a traitor. We should start saying there is a traitor that bush is protecting in the WH. If we dont stand up ..who will. I was called a traitor ..unamerican, hell even a communist if u can believe that because i didnt go along praising annoitted Bush..I call who ever outed a CIA uncover agent a traitor because that is what he is.

and here is my number 4

4. There trying to ram that if we go against Bush its Hate speech ..well every Tweety, hannity, rush & all the rest say its hate speech they get a email from me ..letting them know ..our anger dont come from hating bush ...its COMES FROM LOVE OF COUNTRY !!! and if we dont take hold of this "hate speech smear" and turn it into our dissatisfaction is due to what we see is happening to OUR BELOVED COUNTRY. So its time to stand up and take back and control the smears against us or Bush will win again ...cuz he will paint us as weak and not rashional. He has to run as a democrat again & wants to run it on personalities ...Lets say it again " he is the one who everyone wanted to have a beer with"

Sorry for the running on but its been down in my stomach so long it just came barreling out ..

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[Taxi Driver]

36. I've been lurking here for months actually. n/t

[NicoleM]

38. And that makes it less rude

how?

[Taxi Driver]

39. Because I've watched the board progress into nasty territory

Throwing "treason" around everywhere. I was actually accused many times of treason and suffered for my political activities. The word alone gives me goosebumps.

[NicoleM]

40. Another unprogressive idea

is thinking that you're right and everybody who disagrees with you is wrong. Not everybody feels the same way about the word "treason" as you do. Some people genuinely believe that treason has been committed, with good reason IMO.

DU is an outlet for people who often don't have any other place where they can express their feelings this freely. What is to be gained by trying to stifle that?

[Name removed]

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[Junkdrawer]

51. Ya think???

You sheep are starting to show teeth and we wolves just don't appreciate it at all.

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[w4rma]

37. 1. I disagree. 2. I disagree. 3. I disagree.

1. I want my President to have ties to America that are as strong as possible.

I don't want to see folks, who have stronger ties to another country, take over our country's government or our country's resources.

This is one aspect of "liberalism" that the Republican Party can keep as their own, IMHO. I don't see how it helps regular Americans, so I don't see it as "progressive".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=483904#483986

2. The guy is a multimillionare who shows no compassion for others. Not only does he not show compassion for others, but he actively tries to get folks to turn their hate on one another while spreading lies for the folks who pay him.

Many people are dead, or live worse than they should, throughout the world and the United States indirectly because of this man's propaganda.

Then Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!” The disciples were astonished at these words. But again Jesus said to them, “Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” (Mark 10:23-25)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=160185#160225

3. CIA seeks probe of White House

WASHINGTON, Sept. 26 — The CIA has asked the Justice Department to investigate allegations that the White House broke federal laws by revealing the identity of one of its undercover employees in retaliation against the woman’s husband, a former ambassador who publicly criticized President Bush’s since-discredited claim that Iraq had sought weapons-grade uranium from Africa, NBC News has learned.
…
http://www.msnbc.com/news/937524.asp?0cv=CB10
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=135657

Rice 'Knew Nothing' About CIA Agent Leak

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. national security adviser Condoleezza Rice said on Sunday she knew "nothing of any" White House effort to leak the identity of an undercover CIA officer in July, a charge now under review at the Justice Department.

On the "Fox News Sunday" program, the top aide to President Bush said, "This has been referred to the Justice Department. I think that is the appropriate place for it."

Rice said the White House would cooperate should the Justice Department, headed by Attorney General John Ashcroft, decide to proceed with a criminal investigation of the matter, which centers on the alleged public disclosure of the wife of former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson.

Wilson was sent by the CIA to Niger in 2002 to investigate a report that Iraq was trying to obtain uranium from Niger, but returned to say it was highly doubtful.
…
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030928/ts_nm/iraq_intelligence_probe_dc&cid=564&ncid=1480
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=136932

A White House smear

Did senior Bush officials blow the cover of a US intelligence officer working covertly in a field of vital importance to national security—and break the law—in order to strike at a Bush administration critic and intimidate others?

It sure looks that way, if conservative journalist Bob Novak can be trusted.
…
The sources for Novak’s assertion about Wilson’s wife appear to be “two senior administration officials.” If so, a pair of top Bush officials told a reporter the name of a CIA operative who apparently has worked under what’s known as “nonofficial cover” and who has had the dicey and difficult mission of tracking parties trying to buy or sell weapons of mass destruction or WMD material. If Wilson’s wife is such a person—and the CIA is unlikely to have many employees like her—her career has been destroyed by the Bush administration. (Assuming she did not tell friends and family about her real job, these Bush officials have also damaged her personal life.) Without acknowledging whether she is a deep-cover CIA employee, Wilson says, “Naming her this way would have compromised every operation, every relationship, every network with which she had been associated in her entire career. This is the stuff of Kim Philby and Aldrich Ames.” If she is not a CIA employee and Novak is reporting accurately, then the White House has wrongly branded a woman known to friends as an energy analyst for a private firm as a CIA officer. That would not likely do her much good.

This is not only a possible breach of national security; it is a potential violation of law. Under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, it is a crime for anyone who has access to classified information to disclose intentionally information identifying a covert agent. The punishment for such an offense is a fine of up to $50,000 and/or up to ten years in prison. Journalists are protected from prosecution, unless they engage in a “pattern of activities” to name agents in order to impair US intelligence activities. So Novak need not worry.

Novak tells me that he was indeed tipped off by government officials about Wilson’s wife and had no reluctance about naming her. “I figured if they gave it to me,” he says. “They’d give it to others....I’m a reporter. Somebody gives me information and it’s accurate. I generally use it.” And Wilson says Novak told him that his sources were administration officials.
…
http://thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=823
http://www.arbiteronline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/07/23/3f1f5fa79c206
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=18072&mesg_id=18072&page=
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=5913&mesg_id=5913&page=

…
Novak, in an interview, said his sources had come to him with the information. “I didn't dig it out, it was given to me,” he said. “They thought it was significant, they gave me the name and I used it.”

Wilson and others said such a disclosure would be a violation of the law by the officials, not the columnist.

Novak reported that his “two senior administration officials” told him that it was Plame who suggested sending her husband, Wilson, to Niger.
…
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uscia0722,0,2346857.story?coll=ny-top-headlines
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=2326&mesg_id=2326&page=

A War on Wilson?
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,465270,00.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=18113&mesg_id=18113&page=

White House striking back?
http://www.msnbc.com/news/942095.asp?0cv=CA01

Schumer Urges FBI Probe Into Iraq Leaks
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030724/ap_on_go_ot/schumer_agent_1

Probes Expected in ID of CIA Officer
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uscia233384176jul23,0,5461415.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-print

The Bush Administration Adopts a Worse-than-Nixonian Tactic: The Deadly Serious Crime Of Naming CIA Operatives by John W. Dean
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20030815.html

[Junkdrawer]

42. 1. Let 'em find another puppet. 2.) Jail or free all 1st offenders

3.) Outing a spy is treason, sorry.

[Walt Starr]

46. I disagree

1) I am wholeheartedly against ever allowing a foreign born person be president, so much so that I would leave the Democratic party if that became part of the platform.

2) Rush deserves everything he gets.

3) Treason is treason and outing Plame is treason, plain and simple. I will NOT sugar coat it.

[Mari333]

48. awwwww Poor Rush and his anal cyst chickenhawk drug addiction

Ill save my compassion for this family that Rush chose to murder in his lust for the illegal invasion of Iraq, with his big mouth


"Im sorry my child, Mr Limbaugh says Mr Bush had to kill you"

[Gore1FL]

50. Why not call treason treason?

Clearly it is meaningless when Ann Coulter refers to non-support of a missile defense treason.

When someone disrupts a major intelligence operation critical to the war on terror it is treason.