Deleted message

[Name removed]

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[pinkpops]

1. They better be

Or I quit

[pandatimothy]

2. No

Many apparently would vote for Bush over Lieberman!

[KG]

3. maybe the dem. party could get the dems that voted for chimpy in 2k

to actually vote for the democratic candidate this time.

seems like that would go a long way to sending whistle-ass back to the pig farm in '05. :)

[diplomats]

4. That's an interesting question

I think we need to see what happens when we finally have a nominee.

[Skip Intro]

5. When the time comes, I believe we will be

And I think we'll have a good many Greens with us.

In a few months, there will be a clear nominee, and we will speak with one voice. Hopefully, that will be a voice unafraid to call the residing moron on his lies and his crimes and his disasterous policies. Hopefully that will be a voice uncowerd by a band of flag-waving poser-patriot thugs. I have every belief that it will be.

Yes, we are currently arguing over who will be the one to take the fight to the imposters. But when that fight begins, we'll be as one. I have no doubt about that.

[imhotep]

6. a better question

Does a party that stands for nothing deserve to win anything?

[Name removed]

7. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[quaker bill]

8. Not yet

But we will get there. The alternative is too horrific.

[liberalnurse]

9. Well if the voting experience in California is

any clue then we are in DEEP SHIT!

[GOPBasher]

10. Simple answer: No

I'm starting the think that we have no chance in 2004, not because Bush will be popular -- his number are crashing fast -- but simply because we aren't, and I don't think we will be, united. That and the electronic voting problem are the only things that can save Chimp now.

[Pobeka]

11. Yes, they're united enough

People are rally-ing around their dem of choice right now. It's natural, it's what we're supposed to be doing at this phase of the election.

After the primary, I predict a united front the likes of which we've never seen before from the dems. Will that be enough to beat Bush? I don't know, the GOP owns the media. We will have to get the word out at the grassroots level. That is where all the effort should be focused -- training the average "citizen dem" to get the message across clearly and concisely at the local coffee shop, grocery store, where-ever people meet.

[spooky3]

13. well put

[MoonRiver]

12. I'm united, but what about the ballot box? Can we trust IT?

This issue is huge, and we ignore it to our peril.

[LibertyorDeath]

14. Not Yet but for the common good of all Americans soon I hope !

[salin]

15. Judging on the tone around here (vitriolic)

I would guess no. Far too many are building in emotional ties and more significantly 'blocks' against each of the candidates. Hard to imagine folks here eating their words and working for the candidate who wins. If the core base can't get its act together and roll up the sleeves to work like dogs for the election (I mean - devote hours a week; which will be needed to counter the likely 4:1 spending advantage of bushco) - then how will everyone else pull together?

I do not think many people have yet realized that to win, the democratic party needs to run a very different campaign than in the past. On the ground. Talking daily - one on one with folks who are apathetic and on the fence. To combat the inevitable dirty pool push polls. To break the propoganda that will be flooding over all mass communication waves will take not a counter flood (which we won't be able to mount in terms of equal scale), it will take talking to people. Many people.

But the vitriol and divisions here, suggest that - no - we have not figured out how to work together. While DU does not represent the whole party, I fear the ugliness here, might exist across the board.

[Name removed]

27. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[DemCam]

28. Anybody remember '92?

What was it like at this stage of the game? I wasn't paying attention at all. Barely remember who was in the Dem primary. Certainly had never heard of Bill Clinton until a neighbor from AK said she had seen him in a hotel lobby and nearly fainted dead away.

Try to refresh my memory if any of you were involved then. Was the same vitriol there? The same loyalties?

[Kanola]

16. NO

The DLC has too much power in deciding WHO is going to be the candidate, and they are trying their best to usurp Dean big time. I distrust them immensley. I hope every DEM gets their collective head together and gets behind whoever is nominated.

[Dulcinea]

17. We have to be! We have no choice!

Either we unite behind the eventual candidate or we get 4 more years of Boy George & his posse of poster children for family planning. Simple as that.

[Speck Tater]

18. I think you'll find the answer to that right here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=523152&mesg_id=523152

(edit typo)

[Wapsie B]

19. No.

But that could change once a true frontrunner emerges after Iowa and New Hampshire.

[onebigbadwulf]

21. Democrat or death

Basically... if the entire WORLD doesn't unite against the neo-cons and Bush crime family, it's time to leave America and prepare for Armageddon.

This shouldn't even be a question.

[xJlM]

20. Let's hope

We're a long way from November 2004, though. Ask again in May.

[opihimoimoi]

22. We Gonna get the HOUSE, the SENATE, and the WHITE HOUSE

The Pubs are scrambling to regain ground. Note the 5 different messages from the Bush camp all on WHY we are in IRAQ. Confusing to the point even their man Sen Lugar said so. "It should be the President who takes charge and delivers"

But as we all know, he cannot complete the side line pass for a first down. He is all fumble and is sacked so easily.

This Nation, This Team America needs a new QB. Bush/America 0, Terrorists 28273623514166

Damn.

[RichM]

23. No, not unified enough. Re "the power of the corporate media" -- the

California Recall vote supports the idea that Americans today will do exactly what television & newspaper headlines tell them to do.

It is interesting that voters rejected Proposition 54, because it was HARDER to understand that Prop 54 was a nasty racist initiative, than it was to see that Arnold was an unqualified ignoramus. Yet the tidal wave of pro-Arnold media coverage was so overwhelming, that the voters got the (easy) Arnold issue wrong, & the trickier, more subtle Prop 54 issue right.

Could the Dem Party be doing anything more to "be doing to enhance our chances and to unite our efforts?" Well, just to mention one thing: when Kennedy called the Iraq War a "fraud made in Texas" 2 weeks ago, others should have joined their voices to his. This should be a relentless coordinated tide of opinion from Democrats. Letting Kennedy stand as an isolated lone voice, who spoke out on ONE occasion, then found almost no support from his colleagues -- this seems an example of "not playing to win."

[otohara]

24. They Will Be -

I saw a republican friend and pleaded with her to please not vote for Bush again - she said she wouldn't - I figure if republican's are not behind him - why on earth would dems not be?

[Armstead]

25. No. Absolutely Not.

Bush won't win. But we'll probably lose.

Sorry, but that's the way it's looking.

[rman]

26. No, they'r wasting their time on the subject of Rush Limbaugh.

-

[HFishbine]

29. Alternate view

I take the point of your question, Pete, but there is another hyppothesis for a possible Bush second term, also not hyperbolic.

It could mark the point at which the democratic party ends, having failed to establish itself as a distinctive alternative to the republican party.