If we donÕt believe in preemptive war, why should we believe in preemptive

[Bushknew]

If we donÕt believe in pre-emptive war, why should we believe in pre-emptive failure?

The argument that Dennis Kucinich can never win and therefore we should not vote for him is truly ass backwards.

If nominated, I believe Dennis would automatically unite Dems and Greens thus annihilating Bush in the election.

The Dems lost in 2000 because they could not get the Green vote.

So, the winning strategy is clear, nominate Dennis Kucinich and Dems and Greens
wonÕt be divided. Together, we would beat Bush easily.

I hear a lot of Dems and Repugs characterize Dennis as angry.

Well, I would characterize him as passionate.

BTW, If you are not angry with the state of the country, you should be.

[JohnKleeb]

1. Why hey you are right

:yourock: as does DK.
DK manages to win his congressional elections by getting the GOP vote yet he doesnt compromise his ideas. President Kucinich how I will love that.

[Bushknew]

4. The choice is clear É

Everyone else has waffled so much that they should be working at the House of Pancakes.

Dennis Kucinich for president!!!!

[JohnKleeb]

5. lol

You know what I also like about him? He talks about what the war has cost us on a human level, I just love that, he has an excellent vision, and neato hes one of my own (an Irish blooded person and also South Slavic lol) thats not why I support him he just happens to be the best out there.

[wtmusic]

13. Unfortunately if Dennis were leading in the polls

they would find some miniscule misstatement and call it a 'waffle'. Everyone takes aim at the leaders.

[Bushknew]

20. If Dean wins, I would happily support him.

Waffles or no waffles. :smile:

[wtmusic]

2. Although I support Dean

I love DK's passion and spirit. As the sitch in Iraq degenerates Dennis will pick up points and will be a serious contender.

[JohnKleeb]

3. thanks wt

I hope opposition to the war rising and also the search for economic and social justice. Theres been many wars in my young years and frankly I am sick of it, I wonder if any of my classmates will get sent over there.

[shockingelk]

6. I am 100% with Kucinich on the issues

I do think it's great that his candidacy is getting his ideas discussed. And that it has made him a more visible figure in the House ... and don't want to start a fight here, but realistically, few of his ideas would pass through congress.

Just as I'm optimistic a Libertarian president would be great generations from now, perhaps a Kucinich-like president will be great years from now. But I don't think it's the time.

But long live Kucinich!

[Bushknew]

7. Few or no Repug Ðlite ideas would pass if he were Prez.

[MuseRider]

22. I am pretty

certain that having been in government for as long as he has he knows that compromise is the only way. Where do you want to start the compromise? Just left of center or farther to the left? Just my way of thinking.

[Bushknew]

23. I find it bizarre that so many here agree and admire Dennis but

wonÕt support him. We truly live in a odd world.

If Wellstone were never supported, he would have never been senator.

[JohnKleeb]

24. Now you know how I feel

Its a pain in the neck isnt it.

[tlcandie]

26. Can't say how baffling and frustrating this is!

I see it time and time again...

I like Kucinich, but I just don't think he can win.

I would vote for Kucinich, but he's just not electable.

I like Kucinich, but he's too far left to be electable.

Too bad Kucinich isn't a real contender, he just doesn't have the campaign funds to cut it.

I'm sure there are tons more. IF EVERYONE WHO SAID THESE THINGS WOULD VOTE FOR HIM...HE WOULD WIN!

/slaps forehead ... Doh!

[JohnKleeb]

29. Those people should give us a dollar everytime they say it

or buy me a nice sandwich :D

Dont forget about these:

Hes too small yeah only an inch or so smaller than the frontrunners

Hes too ugly, maybe I should run or lets see you

He has an ethnic name, well well you got something against Croatians buddy and wasnt the same thing said to that gasp Irish Catholic JFK.

I am sick of this. Believe we gots to.

[MuseRider]

28. I am at a

complete loss as to how to counter this. I am hoping that even though the media tells us he is a loser he is gaining much more strength. I suspect he is but I just do not know. However, if this is the case then we will not have to worry. Once it is proven, if it is, that he has strong backing I think all of these people will back him. Can you imagine how powerful that would be?

[Bushknew]

32. Read my # 30 post

[A_Tra]

8. If we

nominate that guy I think that Im staying home...

If we learned anything from that farce in California, you need to stay away from extremes and move to the middle to win elections

[Bushknew]

10. Just the opposite É

If we learned anything from the 2000 election it is that moving to the middle alienates your base.

Moral of the story É

If we donÕt move to the left, we will lose again.

[wtmusic]

12. Welcome to DU, A_tra!!

:bounce: :toast: :bounce:

[Mairead]

18. Then let's see if we can get you to stay home! Just think, you can

put your feet up, have a few drinks, watch a game or sitcom. Just the ticket for guys like you. Go for it!

[jafap]

9. I am mad as hell and I am not going to take it anymore

Carter, Ventura, and Schwarzie. They all ran as outsiders and won.

Unfortunately, I think you are wrong. The Greens are only about 10% of the electorate at best. Less than half of them voted for Nader in 2000. Some, though not all, of them are very sorry that they did too.

If the Democrats go left I am afraid that for every Green vote they gain, they will lose two or three centrist Democrats. Humphrey came alot closer to beating Nixon than McGovern did. Clinton came alot closer to beating Bush than Dukakis did. Carter came alot closer to beating Reagan than Mondale did. It seems to me that the more liberal candidates do worse.

But more power to DK. His candidacy should help to enlarge the Democratic wing of the Democratic party.

[Bushknew]

11. The Greens are only about 10% of the electorate at best.

Well, no one can deny that itÕs enough of a percentage to win or lose elections.

I believe itÕs better to err by going too liberal than not.

We already lost in 2000 by not being liberal enough.

[opihimoimoi]

14. The Goals/the Focus/ the Direction of the DEMs need to be reduced

to simplistic one liners.

[Bushknew]

15. I agree

If you canÕt say it clearly, you donÕt understand it yourself.
John Searle

How many a dispute could have been deflated into a single paragraph if the disputants had dared to define their terms" Ð Aristotle

The thinner the idea, the more verbiage it wears. Unknown

What orators lack in depth they make up for in length.
Charles de Secondat, Baron de Montesquieu (1689-1775):
French political philosopher

Public speaking is the art of diluting a 2 minute idea with a 2 hour speech.
John F Kennedy

Do not say a little in many words, but a great deal in a few.
Pythagoras ( c.560-c.480 )

[opihimoimoi]

16. Luv it!! Point well made.

Clap, clap, clap :smoke:

[hippywife]

17. I don't know where such ideas come from

But more power to DK. His candidacy should help to enlarge the Democratic wing of the Democratic party.

Dennis' platform is the foundation of the Dem party that used to be--making progress possible for all. It's all the centrists that are building on to keep up with the Jones' (or Bushs') and thereby cozy up to their neighbors on the right fenceline.

[Bushknew]

19. Yes! We have to stop keeping up with the BushÕs É

and come back to the left, well said hippywife.

[Bushknew]

21. Kick

[tlcandie]

25. Whenever we as a people stop looking on the outside at hairdos

clothing and all that is superficial and keeps us from the TRUTH then we will quickly embrace the Kucinich's of our country!

What kind of people are we to allow something such as this to influence a vote? This is EXACTLY how we ended up with the ahhhnulds and venturos!

Shouldn't our decisions be along the lines of political history; not being owned by corporations; not afraid to speak up against BIG MONEY; knowledge in business; knowledge in diplomacy; knowledge in law; knowledge in the basics; knowledge of the link of all living beings; knowledge of our constitution?

I'm sure there's more, but that is all I am able to come up with atm. Until we get back to basics, like those in South America with Chavez, then we can never expect anything different in this country than what we currently experience. We did NOT get here overnight. The stage was set for * to commit these unspeakable crimes!

I'm breaking out of the matrix..the box...the mold and I'm not taking it anymore come hell or high water! IT IS TIME FOR RADICAL CHANGE to get this country back to its roots! (no not slavery and such .. constitution-wise)

/rant off

[Bushknew]

30. Style over substance

It made me furious when everyone would focus on GoreÕs stiffness.

The only way for substance to win is to relentlessly expose how irrelevant, empty
and useless the quality of style is in governance.

[Must_B_Free]

27. *sigh*

-he's not running
-he doesn't want to run
-he's boring
-he's a liar
-he's a loser

whoops - that's Al Gore - but I'm sure all the same standard arguments apply against any progressive leader.

[JohnKleeb]

31. the special ones for Kucinich although one of them

probably was used against Wellstone

He is too small
He is too ugly
He has too much of an ethnic name and that name isnt "American"