Kerry's stepson, Chris Heinz, say's he posts on DU (from Kerry Blog)

[Bombtrack]

http://blog.johnkerry.com/blog/archives/000416.html

Dorm Storm Update From Chris and Vanessa

Hello Bloggers,
Chris Heinz here, Teresa’s youngest son, writing from the Kerry Office in Des Moines on Saturday night. I am here in Iowa with my stepsister, Vanessa Kerry, working to spread the gospel about JK. For background, I live in New York and took leave from my job last February to join the Campaign. For the last eight months, I have been working in the fundraising effort, mostly in New York, Chicago and Los Angeles.

Since the end of the third quarter, Vanessa and I have been more involved in being surrogates in the campaign. In that capacity, today we traveled around to speak to groups of students at three colleges (Simpson, Central and Grinnell) and at the Jasper County Soup Supper, a Democratic gathering with representatives from most of the campaigns. Anyway, it went great and my step-sister was awesome. I won’t judge myself.

Anyway, I am a frequent lurker on the blog and chat on sites like DemocraticUnderground.com all the time. I know from those experiences that many of us get a little uneasy at the infighting between the different camps (ie Kerry and Dean), but I’d like to say that here in Iowa, there is tremendous solidarity for the party and respect among supporters for everyone – especially JK. We’ll have more of a report tomorrow night on our activities (might even get the lil sis to pitch in), but I wanted to let everyone know that the Kerry Campaign is doing very well on the ground here.

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By cyrildadd on October 11, 2003 at 10:19 PM

[Padraig18]

1. Awesome!

If you read this, welcome, Chris! :hi:

[The Zanti Regent]

19. Yes and say "Hi" to your Mom!

Teresa Heinz is John Kerry's secret weapon.

Any lady with enough guts to stand up to Sicky Dicky Scaife is OK in my book!

[Hamlette]

21. standing up to Scaife?

What's that story? I don't know much about her. Thought she was a republican? Am I confused?

[The Zanti Regent]

58. She switched parties

Teresa hates Scaife with a passion and she hates Rick Santorum more than she hates Scaife.

She always endorsed Sicky Ricky's Democratic opponents.

Meanwhile Scaife uses his piece o' shit paper to attack her all the time.

[JohnKleeb]

60. She endorsed Wolford right?

[The Zanti Regent]

128. Yes and she also backed Ron Klink in 2000

She hates Santorum.

[oxycontinrush]

2. Chris.... one thing

If you have any input at all... suggest there be no more Harley rides?

[indigo32]

95. Why

the Harley rocks!

[JNelson6563]

3. I wonder if he shares

what many of us think of the Iraq business, among other things.

Julie

[Bombtrack]

5. the iraq bussiness?

what are you talking about exactly

[JNelson6563]

22. you know, the war, the resolution obtained for it,

the nightmare it is, how it's not made us anymore secure, how Kerry voted for it, how much blood and treasure it's costing us, how angry some of us are about it all........stuff like that.

Julie

[JI7]

29. the sanctions on iraq ?

?

[Pastiche423]

46. Do you mean the war rag

his stepfather voted for after his contintuents by the tens of thousands emailed, faxed and phoned him and begged him to vote NO?

That same war rag he voted for because he was afraid it might hurt him politically if he din't vote to give whistle ass his war? That same war rag vote he, to this day, refuses to admit was wrong?

Is that what you are talking about?

[MoonRiver]

109. It's a huge problem for Kerry, who before that resolution, I favored.

Nothing can be done about it now, but I hope other Dem politicians use this as a lesson. Don't vote with the Repukes. My God, even those of us with absolutely NO access to "classified information" understood, from what was widely distributed on the web, that * and Blair's claims about an imminent threat from Iraq was entirely ludicrous. Elected officials who voted for that hideous and unjustified "war" are at least partially responsible for the thousands of innocents who were killed for no reason.

That being said, I would still vote for Kerry if he gets the nomination, under the ABB principle. Kerry did something horribly wrong by sanctioning that attack, BUT, unlike BFEE, he did not initiate the Iraqi invasion, and his record in other important areas is excellent.

But I really think he blew it over Iraq. Clark or Dean will get the nomination, IMHO.

edited for sentence structure.

[incapsulated]

4. Hey Chris

:hi:

(pm me your handle, I won't tell, I swear..)

[Divernan]

6. Delighted to learn you're a member of DU

Your dad was the best Senator Pennsylvania ever had - a true statesman, and we miss him still. And your Mother is universally admired here in southwest PA. I drive by your family place on my way to Beechwood Farms most weekends and hold a good thought for your family when I do.

Keep involved in politics - young people with your family's values are our hope.

[E_Zapata]

7. Well that's fantastic.

Welcome Chris.......

shoot, you have probably been here longer than me.

but I think it's ulra cool that you congreate with 'just dems' (and a few greens :-) ) and are anonymous........

[RainDog]

8. It says he LURKS, NOT POSTS

okay? these sorts of things are a pet peeve of mine, and one I know I"m guilty of too...

so, Chris, if you read this, tell your step-dad that he could do the country and the world a tremendous service if he would look into funding for terrorism.

He knows so much about BCCI, including the fact that Cheney, as ranking repub house member, had to sign off on whatever was released on that initial investigation.

Evan Bayh, a DLC dem, wanted to look into offshore banking issues for corporations, saying, rightly, that it is wrong for them to be able to pretend to be a foreign entity to shirk their fair share of taxes.

these two issues converge nicely, and both would be a great way to bring to the fore Bush's true constitiuency- Halliburton, Bectel, Unocal, Khalid bin Mahfouz, Henry Kissinger the war criminal, and the House of Saud.

In addition, I believe polls will show the rest of America is with me on this, but I believe that whoever the Dem candidate will be MUST focus on alternative energy sources, both for the health of our future, and for our current economic health.

This issue also plays against the Bushies because they are such whores, and pimps, for oil. They can mouth the words about alternative energy, but they obviously don't live it and they can be exposed for this.

The midwest is ripe for new manufacturing, in the form of ethanol production, which would also use that midwestern icon, corn.

The gulf state of Louisiana could utilize windmills instead of oil platforms, and clean up the gulf and the bayous for that crawfish and shrimp for gumbo.

Both the midwest manufacturing base and the northeast could make solar shingles, rather than petroleum-based shingles, and could make them affordable by mass production which could put them in the Home Depots across the west and south.

The Dem candidate could start a movement, like the Peace Corp, which could get young people across this country to plant trees, sort of like modern day Johnny Appleseeds, but trees which offer passive heating and cooling for businesses and homes via deciduous shade trees on the south sides of buildings and evergreens to the north.

I know many people who would love to get into the biz of retro-fitting old structures, both commercial and residential, to be energy independent as much as possible...but the economy is hard right now, and the sources for these things are not subsidized, as the oil industry is.

Not to mention that times are hard for many and they are struggling and do not see how it is responsible to take on small biz burdens when corporations get so much favorable treatment from this administration while things which could help small biz, like a payroll rather than Bush's tax cuts, if tax cuts are used, are what stimulate the economy and help both small biz and the middle class.

Again, whoever is the dem candidate needs to emphasize the damage Bush's policies are doing to small biz and middle class people.

Kerry said, in the last debate, that his heart was in the right place, no matter where he was born into the economic pyramid. These are issues which will empower the middle class and the working class.

Corporations must realize that the feeding frenzy they have enjoyed under Bush is ultimately destabilizing for democracy. Someone must appeal to their better instincts and recall the actions of our govt times of honest war which prohibit and punish war profiterring. They are losing their customer base in America by exporting jobs, as well.

As this progresses, corporations can and should expect massive unrest directed at them, and this is right, considering the way they have profited at the expense of the majority of American's ability to afford health care, education for their children, prescription drugs, a family life, and a life of the mind, basically. Why do Americans work more hours than any other western democracy, yet see the least return for their hard work in terms of vacation time, or health care, or freedom of thought?

Conversely, why do Americas CEO have such a disproportionate salary spread compared to every other western democracy?

I hope you will read this, and thanks in advance for any help you may be able to give to advance these issues which are so important for a healthy democracy.

[Cha]

10. It says...

"Anyway, I am a frequent lurker on the blog and chat on sites like DemocraticUnderground.com all the time." :)

[RainDog]

12. Like I said

I'm guilty of this too. I thought it said "chat sites"

sorry. mea culpa

[Cha]

14. NO big! Thanks for your suggestions and input!

[SammyWinstonJack]

25. Great post!

Wonderful ideas! I hope he reads it too.

[Cha]

9. Interesting...wonder who he is?

I know DU is the Best political site on the web, IMO, so why wouldn't anyone who is poitical come here? :kick:

[trumad]

11. Hey dude...

What's your favorite Ketshup?

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

13. There is no other ketchup than Heinz! The other brands are horrible. n/t

n/t

[Divernan]

18. Absolutely. I carry little packets of Heinz with me when I travel

In case someone tries to foist Del Monte or some other brand on me.

[wyldwolf]

47. I FREEBASE Heinz Ketchup! I'm a junkie!

[JI7]

15. i come here because

at first i would just look around at different sites and usually don't join. but i signed up here and use it a lot because it's easy to use with the way it's set up and it's just really fun and interesting. it really gets addictive also. i also check out the freepers site to see what the fools have to say and just because i want to laugh at times and the site is really messed up. their forums for posting is weird.

[tjdee]

16. Me too.

The format here is fantastic. Plus, most people here are well informed, which is good.

[screaming_meme]

17. Cool, Chris. Ask pop about Skull and Bones

then we'll see if you're worthy of Democraticunderground.com

[seventhson]

26. Chris announcing that he is a DUer is very interesting

The way that ruling elites work is to inspire confidence through "bonding".

My problem with Kerry is his close associations to Bush via Skull, his close Skull top advisors, his PNAC foreign policy advisors, and his untruthfulness and seeming politicization of his posture and experience in Nam (especially the medals throw away lies).

Chris is his own man and I accept him as that.

He may be a DUer and support his stepdad which is cool too.

But his announcement is clearly a political effort to show that he is "one of us" and that DU is part of the Kerry "team" (or at least part of it is.

He would obviously be here to drum up support (if he posts) for his stepdad and to acquire "intelligence" on what the folks here are saying --- checking the winds, so to speak - watching the straws.


So I welcome Chris as a DUer, as a democrat and as a devoted stepson.

But I still cannot embrace his stepDad who I BELIEVE belongs to the cabal of BFEE/Skull which may have offed his father.

If Kerry RENOUNCED this association to the Skulls then I MIGHT feel differently.

[blm]

30. Sure. You'll drive him away the way you did Alexandra Robbins

with your S&B conspiracies that claim Kerry and Bush work together, even though your 30 years of research came up with NADA!.

[Name removed]

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[Name removed]

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[seventhson]

44. Thanks for forcing me to alert, blm

the personal attacks on me need to stop

[blm]

45. You call Kerry a criminal at every opportunity, seventhson...

you don't care if the facts point otherwise.

You DID harangue Robbins here at DU and it was witnessed by many of us who were appalled at your behavior towards her.

[seventhson]

50. Talk about Haranguing!!!

Robbins came here to sell books.

I challenged her to explain some of the problems with her book - including a part that had to be deleted because she was used by the Boinesmen to sow disinformation.

This is well socumented by Ron Rosenbaum at Newsday and can be found by googling bones, rosenbaum and Robbins. I don't have a handy link.

But I get harangued here ALL THE TIME and I stick to my guns.

I'm sorry she is not here in person to agree with me.

But her interview and statements about Kerry vindicate my position on him. HE SHOULD NOT BE PRESIDENT. NO SKULL MEMBER SHOULD, in Robbins' opinion.

She was in a hot kitchen. I'm sure she can handle the heat.

I can.

[janekat]

192. seventhson - thanks for being honest and going out on a limb....

...said as a fellow DU "punching bag." We are usually on opposite sides of the issues.

I really appreciate those here who are willing to go out on a limb, be totally honest and make people think. This board would be pretty boring if we were all "politicians" and "diplomats."

I wish that you would provide links more often though - that's my complaint with ya.

My offer of a beer still stands....

[seventhson]

204. One of these days

on the beer

Going to DC???


I have provided so many links that I think I'm just mining the same gems all the time and no one seems to remember them.

I KNOW about Skull as an "insider". A Yale family. Prep school. Classmates in Skull. But there is more.

Thanks for the support, though.

This shit is dead serious

[seventhson]

64. See below (or above)

How do you know Robbins is not still here anonymously?

But blaming me for driving her away is a personal attack without merit.

If she could not defend all that she wrote or how she got the info then she needs tougher skin. Especially here.

[JI7]

31. i really don't think he cares

and in any case it's a secret so kerry wouldn't tell him anyways. hehe

[Capn Sunshine]

39. Ruling elite?

was this thread just hijacked by illuminati?

[wyldwolf]

57. bwahahaha haha ha ha!

My problem with Kerry is his close associations to Bush via Skull, his close Skull top advisors, his PNAC foreign policy advisors

ha hahahahaha haha ha haa

[Andy_Stephenson]

59. Refute the PNAC advisor statement!

"ha hahahahaha haha ha haa"

[blm]

78. One of many. Marshall was one of the more liberal

of the PNACers at the time. Who knows how the more liberal ones tempered the full on neo-cons and imperialists? Noone knows.

To paint Kerry for giving an ear to ONE of his advisors who signed an open letter once in 1997 is absurd. Do you know how many different views would be heard by Clinton and Gore? You listen to ALL sides and then make your decision.

Can you honestly say you believe Kerry is an imperialist warmonger?

[Andy_Stephenson]

108. "Can you honestly say you believe Kerry is an imperialist warmonger?"

Yes emphatically.

As evidenced by the war vote.

[Name removed]

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[Andy_Stephenson]

blm....I am what I am

and I like you...but you know where I stand on Kerry. You know my issues and they are not negotiable. Kerry made his own bed. BTW :HI:

[blm]

129. I also know you said

that you will vote for the Dem nominee. So..................

[Andy_Stephenson]

131. Yes I did...Just want to make sure it isn't Kerry

which it looks more and more like I won't have too.

[wyldwolf]

88. Prove the PNAC statement,,,

... no?

[Andy_Stephenson]

126. See post

#78

[wyldwolf]

143. You've consistantly said "signatories" and agreed with "advisors"...

Those are PLURALS. Now, you're settling on just one? And one someone else provided?

You've been caught in another lie. Either produce more than one "signatorie" and "advisor" of PNAC or you lose all credibility.

[Andy_Stephenson]

156. Mr Marshall

and Mr Beers.

happy now?

[wyldwolf]

158. not until you provide sources and what their roles were...

[Andy_Stephenson]

161. Here ya go

it's all there.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

[wyldwolf]

163. I've read that site up and down...

Show me specifically where Kerry has PNAC advisors.

[Andy_Stephenson]

165. Mr Marshall and

Mr Beers

[wyldwolf]

Specifically...

...where these are PNAC signees and Kerry advisors.

[Andy_Stephenson]

169. Last time I will answer this question...

Marshall and Beers.

[wyldwolf]

172. Good, don't answer it again...

..you never actually did to begin with. You have provided ZERO connections between them.

[janekat]

176. Oh please...

"The way that ruling elites work is to inspire confidence through "bonding"."


The "ruling elites" are "regular" people just like you and me. They are not martians for crissakes. I went to school with a bunch of "ruling elites." They enjoy activites like posting on message boards, hanging out in bars, going to the movies. I could picture JFK Jr. posting on this message board (if he was still around).

Do you realize how bad that sentence would sound if you substituted the word "jew" or "black" in it.

Elitist-hater.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

190. yet another proud elitist hater here!

None of the Park Avenue, Skull & Bones, Yalies will get my vote. If you like to call it hate, go ahead.

It's interesting that opposing rich people and aristocrats is "hate" while you can slander Southerners, white males, Christians and Catholics, but say something bad about the elitists and you're preaching "hate".

"I went to school with a bunch of "ruling elites.""

That explains it then.

[seventhson]

214. You make my point for me, Janekat

It is like calling someone a self-hating Jew because they criticize other Jews or Israeli policies.

I am studying this in depth and writing book that touches on this subject.

Secret socieities have been recruiting elitist kids from private schools for introduction into the "real world" of lies and deceit and political manipulation for at least around a century or more. They go on to elite colleges like Yale and these bonds are strengthened and the secrecy is reinforced.

The "legacy" candidates and the old folks (like the old Bushes and Forbes frts) watch the developments, tell folks who to tap - pick the best and the brightest and the most loyal and, as in Dumbya Whistleasses case, the LEGACY candidates who are stooges and fuckoffs -- for indoctrination.

The most important factor is LOYALTY to the order. BONDING is the key.

As Robbins says: these are the elites of the elites. They are not ALL bastards and they recruit mostly within their class.

No one here is likely to hate anyone simply because they were BORN as part of the elite. It is what they do with it that counts.

I come from a fairly elite background. I come from one of these families. My father was actually financially ruined by these bastards because he took them on: the YALIES WHO FINANCED HITLER AND FASCISM IN LATIN aMERICA and ELSEWHERE.

But you maker the point: these are human beings. RICH human beings. Who enjoy real things and can be one's best friend.


Kerry, for example, was the hockey teammate of FBI head Mueller.

Mueller has a long history of covering up for the BFEE.

But because Kerry and Mueller were friends, teammates and colleagues at St, Paul's Episcopal Prep school - THAT ALONE acts as a buffer to protect the BFEE. Mueller is (was) Kerry's friend. He may SEEM to put him on the hotseat. But afterwards they probably hit the gym and the showers and chuckle about it. They go back to high school together and now here they are rulers of the "free" world. Ha fucking Ha.

It is like this throughout the elitists world and the world of secret societies like Skull.

I know. I was in it. I know people like Chris Heinz. They were and are my friends. But I cannot condone what they do.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

20. Hey, Chris

:hi:

I'm a Kucinich supporter, but I'd support your stepdad if he got the nomination.

Just one suggestion: John Kerry needs to get out and mix with the "little people" more. One of the other posters told of how Kerry came to his city and the Young Democrats chapter wasn't even notified. This is not good.

In the end, elections are won by individual voters, not by consorting with the bigwigs at $2000/plate dinners.

John Kerry has a long and honorable history of fighting for Democratic causes, but he needs to overcome his aloof image.

[Terwilliger]

23. that's great

why are you outing him?!?!?

[seventhson]

24. Does ANYONE here think Chris's father was murdered for his political

investigation?

There has been much speculation on this here and I know little about the facts.

But it seems Mr. Heinz was going up against the BFEE and may have been a target.

Also - any insights on the Skull and Bones connections of Mr. Heinz and Kerry and Bush.

I KNOW it is a secret.

But secrets lead one to feel there are secrets worth knowing.

[RainDog]

51. Peace to you, but

this post has to be one of the most cruel and tasteless things I have seen posted here.

You know I am often in your corner, Seventhson, but this is really inappropriate, to me, for a person of your intellect and ablity. I cannot comment on the question itself, and, frankly, I do not think it bears comment on this thread, at least.

Can you put yourself in this young man's shoes and ask yourself how you would feel if someone posted this about your father?

I waited to post because I didn't want this to be a flame, but surely you have lost someone you love, and surely you can appreciate the hurt that loss can cause.

I know I may likely hear all sorts of posts saying free speech and all that, but can't we have common decency when dealing with the children of people who have suffered great losses?

Again, peace to you, and maybe you should think twice about the value of a post about something you find important if you alienate and destroy credibility (for some people, not all, I realize), by such cruel tactics.

[seventhson]

54. Well, Frankly speaking, this has been a subject of discussion here

This is a straightforward question that has been discussed here numerous times.

I know little about his death, but I know the assertion has been made that it may not have been accidental.

And the issue of the right wing involvement has been made.

But I accept your criticism as valid.

My father suffered at the hands of these individuals. Many people have died opposing them. My father's colleagues were tortured, imprisoned and killed in WWII.

So for me it is a subject worthy of discussion.

Fascism never sleeps and the discussion of how it works - especially when it is personal -- is never easy.

I did not mean to offend. I would probably ask Wellstone's kids the same thing if they posted here.

[salin]

217. and you would be in poor taste

at that time as well.

As for being discussed "many times" - it seems as a reader that it is more accurate to state - that a few people (same) bring it up again and again. To represent it as an ongoing - vigorous discussion - is either a case of "in the eyes of the beholder", or a case of slight distortion.

[seventhson]

27. This is obviously the IDEAL site for the Candidates to gain insight and

intel on many many perspectives.

We are the perfect focus group.

But as a result our significance in the campaign becomes eminently obvious.

WHY would Chris announce about DU ONLY???

THIS is where the battle is joined.

ALL the candidates have people here I am sure spinning and vying and prodding and learning - provoking, inciting and manipulating and floating.

THAT is a really good thing.

NOW that we know we are being taken seriously (I knew already but this confirms my belief) - then we know that WE need to get serious.


I don't care who you (reading this) support. We need to know all the dirt and all the good on ALL the candidates and we need to coalesce to DEFEAT BUSH with all the opposition research we can muster.

And THEN we need to take iut out throughout the media by any media means necessary.

Stroking our egos and intellects and fighting over the whole thing HERE is not ENOUGH. We have to take it out across the interent and into the streets. To the meetups and the protests and the candidate tables, the Get out the Vote (GOTV), the inner cities and the malls and the unemployment lines. We need to target those who will vote democrat and GET THEM REGISTERED from the Stop and Shop working poor single mothers to the basketball playing homeboys and girls in the playgrounds of the inner cities. Let's GO!!!

We KNOW the power we have here.

NOW let's use it.

THANKS, Chris, for bringing that point HOME. I oppose your stepdad with all my heart and soul. But I oppose Bush MORE.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

119. You oppose Kerry with all your heart and soul, but oppose Bush MORE?

How is that possible? I mean really.... how do you manage that? Do you sell your soul to hate Bush or do you simply use others?

[seventhson]

121. Heart, Soul, arms legs, lungs and probably

the wy things are going with everything else I've got.

If Kerry won the primary I'd have to probably support him. I oppose him in the primary. I oppose Bush in the general.

[THUNDER HANDS]

28. Hey Chris......

Good luck with the campaign. Tell your pops to trust himself and don't go against his instincts.

Your father is a brilliant man and an excellent senator.

:hi:

[diamondsoul]

32. Ok, I'm nit-picking here, but does this bother anyone but me?-

"I am here in Iowa with my stepsister, Vanessa Kerry, working to spread the gospel about JK."

Maybe I'm just too sensitive to words like that from listening to fundamentalist rants, but the use of "gospel" in relation to a political candidate is disturbing to me on a gut level. Anyone else get that creeped out feeling when they read that sentence?

BTW, this is not a flame of Kerry OR Chris, just an observation of my own I'd like some feedback on. Up front, while I support Kucinich, I LIKE John Kerry a great deal, both as a man and as a candidate.

[THUNDER HANDS]

33. doesn't bother me

I'd much rather someone spread the gospel of Kerry than the blasphemy of Bush.

[Bunny]

34. Right On, Magic Rat!

My sentiments exactly!

Oh, and Chris: :hi: and glad to have you here! PS - your dad was wonderful and your mom is the greatest!

[JI7]

35. not meant to be taken seriously

more in a humorous or light hearted type of way. certainly not in a religious way. others have said it also and it was in this way. when you actually hear them say it you understand it's not as the fundies mean it.

[cindyw]

36. Figure of speech

I would only worry about this phrasing if a man of fundamental origins said it. Not the case here.

[diamondsoul]

48. Thanks to all who replied without flaming.

Maybe I am a touch too sensitive about a few words if this is any indication, and that's sort of what I was trying to figure out.

Much appreciated, and Chris if you're reading, don't even worry about it.

[janekat]

182. "spread the gospel" is a common figure of speech

The Kerry's and the Heinz's are Catholic. Catholics are NOT in the habit of going out and trying to convert people to their religion. The Catholic church actually puts you through the wringer if you want to join the church.

I might worry about it if they were fundamentalist Christians or Baptists.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

193. yes, you're nitpicking

gospel means good news, so he says he's spreading the "good news" about Kerry. Doesn't sound sinister to me. If he said he was spreading "good vibes" about Kerry would you complain about that?

Kucinich 2004!

[George_Bonanza]

38. Hey Chris!

Great to have a personal link from DU to the Kerry campaign. I hope you will listen to us because some of us are the biggest Kerry fans on the net! Or at least I hope we are...

[seventhson]

40. and some of us are Kerry's biggest OPPONENTS!!!

I would not trust him if I were you, Chris.

But I am open to hear your arguments.

[wyldwolf]

49. Hee hee! Someone just told Chris not to TRUST Kerry...

Yeah, Chris, he married your mamma, but dooooon't trust him!

Next thing we'll know, seventhson will be googling "John Kerry" and "satan" and trying to find some obscure association somewhere.

[seventhson]

52. No _-Just google satan and Skull and bones

THEN add Kerry.

It may not be a consciouly satanic cult. But it uses a death motif and they are famous for grave-robbing and possessing the stolen bones of the dead for their rituals. Sounds kinda satanic to me.

If that's cool with you god bless you.

[wyldwolf]

53. since there is no proof satan (or god) exists...

...it IS cool with me.

It gets more hysterical every day, seventhson!

Darwin bless you!

[seventhson]

55. I tend to think of them as totally materialistic

no voodoo required

[wyldwolf]

56. OK, so a satan-Kerry connection is meaningless....

..Skull and Crossbones is merely a game... and your point is meaningless.

[seventhson]

66. It's no Game. Skull is Deadly and Serious business

The games Skull plays, including political operations, are deadly.

These are alliances for life secured in college by elitist power seekers. They have killed for their conquests.

Is that Evil? Is it Satanic?

You tell me.

[wyldwolf]

70. You have proof of this beyond conspiratorial tabloid-like websites?

[seventhson]

75. Baloney. I posted the link below to the Robbins Interview

She is a Yalie and an insider with good credentials as a journalist.

There is plenty of evidence for those who read.

[wyldwolf]

80. And I have responded below...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=525419&mesg_id=527755&page=

[janekat]

185. They are "old money" - old money is NOT usually materialistic

They leave that to the "nouveau riche" such as Arnold Schwarzengger or (his Kennedy wife just kind of gets dragged along).

[Andy_Stephenson]

61. So it is ok with you that the bonesmen

Keep Geronimos Skull even after his people have asked for it's return...

Desecration of a grave is reprehensible...even if you don't believe in God or Satan.

[wyldwolf]

62. No, that would not be ok with me if it were indeed more than a myth...

As for the skull, I've read the accounts but never in any reputable media outlets. I'm not saying it isn't true but why hasn't Yale University been named in any lawsuits? The remains are on University property but I can't seem to find an instance where the university has been asked to step in. Seems to me that would be the logical way to resolve the issue.

But sure, If it is true, the remains need to be returned. I agree with that.

..but that hardly translates into seventson's weird belief that Kerry has close associations to Bush via Skull, close Skull top advisors, and PNAC foreign policy advisors.

I've heard so much about this badass secret organization like they founded the CIA, the developed the atomic bomb, they are planning world domination, it all starts to sound like an Austin Powers plot.

Laughable and totally unbelievable.

[Andy_Stephenson]

63. Here is the link

http://www.global-elite.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=157&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0


During an interview at the Mount Graham Sacred Run, Thompson said he was present in New York when the Skull and Bones Society admitted that it held Geronimo's remains in 1986.

"They dug up Geronimo's body in 1918. His body is at the Skull and Bones Museum. Grandfather Prescott Bush dug it up," Thompson said.

The grave robbing was exposed when Apache leaders received a photo and information in the 1980s. The informant, fearing for his life and never identified, provided Apache leaders with a photo of the cult museum's display of Geronimo's remains in a glass cage. The informant also provided a copy of a Skull and Bones Society log book, in which the 1918 grave robbery was recorded. According to the Skull and Bones log book entry, Prescott Bush, grandfather of George W. Bush, and five other officers at Fort Sill, Okla., desecrated Geronimo's grave. After receiving the information, San Carlos Chairman Ned Anderson, Thompson and tribal attorney Joe Sparks were in an Apache tribal delegation which met with the Society. During a series of meetings, they met with Skull and Bones officials and Jonathan Bush, George Bush's brother, in New York City in 1986. However, Thompson said the skull that the Skull and Bones Society offered to return to the Apache delegation was that of a young boy, not Geronimo, and the Apache leaders refused it.

[wyldwolf]

67. I've read that story before. It is a common link when discussing this...

1. Who/what is Global Elite? They seem to be a conspiratorial version of a supermarket tabloid.

2. The "informant" in this story is anonymous. Yeah, I know, he feared for his life!

3. Again, why hasn't Yale University been named in a lawsuit? Come to think of it, why hasn't their been any lawsuits? Isn't this a crime?

Like I said, it wouldn't surprise me that Prescott Bush did this BUT the people pushing this account need to be a bit more convincing. Afterall, they are the same ones pushing the CIA, atomic bomb, and world domination theories. It all sounds crackpot.

[Andy_Stephenson]

69. Do you realize SnB

owns Yale?

[wyldwolf]

71. If that is true, I would need to see proof...

Got any? But still, you avoid the question of the legal route. Why has there been none?

[seventhson]

74. It only sounds crackpot if you've never studied political history: Assassi

nations are routine.

The evidence is massive.

You are just unaware of it.

Until now

[wyldwolf]

81. Show us all proof, then?

[Andy_Stephenson]

68. Ummm may want to do some fact checking...

Kerry Hired PNAC signatories to his campaign staff.

IT IS FACT not fiction.

[wyldwolf]

72. I wasn't aware of that...

Who were they? I'd like to read information on it.

[seventhson]

73. Actually They DID finance Hitler, the atomic Bomb and ran the CIA

Or, more accurately, its members did. They also did the Bay of Pigs, killed Che and, I believe, JFK.

Here is the Alexandra Robbins article where she vindicates herself AND me:

http://www.guerrillanews.com/counter_intelligence/doc808.html


Excerpt:

Question: From your research did you find confirmation to these theories?


Robbins: I was actually surprised because there was a lot more basis to these theories than I had expected. For example, members of the Skull & Bones did indeed oversee the deployment of the atomic bomb. They did choreograph the Bay of Pigs invasion. They did fund Hitler when they could. But it wasn’t the organization pulling the strings. It was the individual members. There are cliques within Skull & Bones that tend to gather together and elevate each other to power and then exert their control and influence… It’s not that Skull & Bones as an entity is specifically and directly pulling the strings. It’s that individuals within the secret society are pushing each other to positions of authority and working their influence from there.


See this interview linked above for the rest of the story.

[wyldwolf]

79. Look at the source then re-read the story...

Conspiratorial supermarket tabloid.

Of the charges in your paragraph above, the only one that is verified is the funding of Hitler - Prescott Bush, of course. But several companies not related to Skull and Crossbones ALSO funded Hitler.

There is no proof of the charges of the Bay of Pigs invasion or the deployment of the atomic bomb other than the author's word.

And speaking of the author, Alexandra Robbins, go to Amazon and read the editorial reviews of the book in question.

she relies heavily on the testimony of many Bonesmen, she never names names. While the book may demystify Skull and Bones, it also imparts the sense that Robbins, herself a Yale graduate and member of a rival society, believes in Yalies' elitist entitlement to power and prestige.

At the end of "Secrets of the Tomb" the author clearly accepts the info she got from "insiders," that they have "planted" most of what conspiracy researchers have written as "truth" about Skull and Bones.

In other words, the Skulls have planted all the conspiracy info you believe,the author admits it.

[eileen_d]

83. Come on, wyldwolf

Skull and Bones has a nice beat, and you can dance to it too. }(

[wyldwolf]

84. Yeah yeah...

good for an afternoon workout. Conspiratorial aerobics.

[blm]

82. Kerry's grandpa was Jewish, and mother's home burned by Nazis

and yet YOU want to paint him as an accomplice of Bush and the Nazis.

That's DESPICABLE!

[Andy_Stephenson]

85. His actions since Oct. 2002

prove otherwise/ He is on board with PNAC. Voted for their war and hired a PNAC advisor. Hell he even missed the vote on "Bunker Buster Bombs" cause PNAC wants em. That and his stock will go up. Kerry is the worst kind of evil and a liar to boot. I don't give a shit if he is Jewish...he is still a fraud.

[wyldwolf]

87. In post 68, you said Kerry hired PNAC signatories ... plural...

...now you say he hired a PNAC advisor. Which is it?

Show us proof he missed the vote on "Bunker Buster Bombs" cause PNAC wants em.

Until you can, Kerry isn't the one who is a fraud.

[Andy_Stephenson]

90. You deny Kerry missed the vote?

Here is the wish list...

http://www.newamericancentury.org/defense-20030527.pdf

As for him missing the vote that was all ove DU a couple of weeks back...The info on him hiring PNAC signatories is here as well.

You can find it here. Or is DU too conspiratorial for you?

[wyldwolf]

91. C'mon, God_bush_n_cheney, you know that isn't the point...

You're thinking one dimensionally.

That Kerry missed the bunker bomb vote isn't the issue.
That PNAC wants bunker bombs is not the issue. No one is arguing those points.

But you have to PROVE he missed the vote BECAUSE the PNAC people wanted him to.

Can't, can you?

And, since you made the charges, the burden of proof is on you.

So, I expect proof that Kerry has hired multiple PNAC signatores AND he missed the bunker bomb vote because PNAC wanted them.

[Andy_Stephenson]

92. I'm connecting DOTS

and not sticking my head in the Sand. Like otheres do.

We can continue this later...I am off to work.

[wyldwolf]

93. No, you're making things up...

..to fit your warped view.

Have a nice time at work. You know everyone there is secretly out to get you.

:tinfoilhat:

[Andy_Stephenson]

107. Well since I own the place...

If they are out to get me I'll fire them first. OH BTW...I don't have a warped view. I am a realist and understand human nature.

edit:

Power corrupts...absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[wyldwolf]

144. OK, but you're still making things up and you won't even address them...

oh, sorry, you're "connecting the dots." (snicker)

[Andy_Stephenson]

164. Snicker all you want!

But why don'twe talk about John and Teresa's investment's in GE. You know "We bring good things to life"? I wonder how many contracts GE will get to develop the bunker busters since they already make nukes... http://www.bop2004.org/dtaweb/bop2004/default.aspx?SECTION=CANDDET&CID=4#asset His missed vote, and financial holdings are red flag DOTS! Combined with his PNAC advisors I'd say that would be pretty strong evidence to support my assertions. But of course Unless it is emblazoned across the front page of the New York Times it doesn't count right?

[wyldwolf]

166. In essence, you are correct...

Unless it is emblazoned across the front page of the New York Times it doesn't count. It all becomes more conspiratorial fodder.

I can take ANY candidate, any democrat, and use the 6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon technique and tie them to any number of sinister sounding circumstantial activites.

Here's a real quick example:

Salomon Smith Barney gave $63K to Republicans in soft money, $107K through its PAC, and $36K in individual donations to Bush.

Howard Dean: SALOMON SMITH BARNEY CASH ACCOUNT ($601,003 - $1,265,000 )

[Andy_Stephenson]

168. Why would you bring Dean up?

that is quite odd.

[wyldwolf]

170. What is quite odd is your lack of understanding of what an "example" is...

...you pinpointed on the Howard Dean example and pretended to ignore how easy it was to use your techniques to build a conspiracy around anyone.

Dodge! Weave! Duck! Spin!

[Andy_Stephenson]

173. No I did not pinpoint on Dean you did.

Oh and for your information I am not a Dean supporter.

[wyldwolf]

175. No, I used Dean as an example...

YOU zeroed in on the fact I mentioned Dean and ignored the quick connection I made between him and Bush - a connection just as stupid as the Kerry connections you are trying to make.

I don't give a rat's ass who you support. If I knew, I could use your technique and weave something sinister about him/her, too!

[Andy_Stephenson]

177. Well your example is far less than

your cousin getting a sweethear deal and having money deposited in a cash account.

:eyes:

[wyldwolf]

178. But there is nothing illegal about that...

...If I could get a great land deal, I would do it!

But that is FAR from a "quid pro quo land development deals where Kerry sold out the possible POW's and persecuted Native Vietnamese who helped America in order to cut a deal to get his family's real estate development business EXCLUSIVE rights in parts of Nam" that you asserted, no, LIED about.

:eyes:

[Andy_Stephenson]

195. I made no such assertion..

"quid pro quo land development deals where Kerry sold out the possible POW's and persecuted Native Vietnamese who helped America in order to cut a deal to get his family's real estate development business EXCLUSIVE rights in parts of Nam"

Your the one who is lying! I did point out Colliers got a sweetheart deal. They did! But since it is your hero JK it's ok. I am beginning to wonder if your not Chris...

[janekat]

194. Oh c'mon! hundred's of thousands of people have stock in GE

It's in the Dow Jones 30. TONS of people have stocks from the Dow 30 in their 401k's, mutual funds.

Most people with any amount of money and also pensioneers have investment managers who make the investment decisions for them. If you're trying to be "poltically correct" you have to specifically specify a LONG list of restricted stocks and mutual funds to your money manger AND even then they screw up and buy you something that might be somehow connected to some diamond mine in Africa.

Used to work with investment accounts and two of my accounts were "Christian Brothers" and the "American Baptist Foundation." We would get "raked over the coals" every so often by the Baptists for buying stocks that were somehow related to "liquor" or some other type of "naughty" behavior.

Give me a friggin' break!

[Andy_Stephenson]

196. TONS of people have stocks from the Dow 30 in their 401k's, mutual funds."

True enuf...but are all those people voting for war? Or missing votes on bunker buster bombs that in all likelyhood will be built by GE?

[seventhson]

102. Being Jewish does NOT mean...

that you can't be a fascist.

Ask the victims of Kissinger and Sharon

[wyldwolf]

104. True, but absolutely nothing you have provided even hints that Kerry...

...is a fascist.

What a joke!

[seventhson]

112. What about the Vietnam quid pro quo land development deals

where Kerry sold out the possible POW's and persecuted Native Vietnamese who helped America in order to cut a deal to get his family's real estate development business EXCLUSIVE rights in parts of Nam

[wyldwolf]

145. What about providing proof of that assertment? No?....

... and If you do, I need to see in the exact or similar wording, "Kerry sold out the possible POW's and persecuted Native Vietnamese who helped America in order to cut a deal to get his family's real estate development business EXCLUSIVE rights in parts of Nam..."

[Andy_Stephenson]

160. Will you Accept info from...

The Center for public integrity?

"But Kerry’s participation in the Committee became controversial in December 1992 when Hanoi announced that it had awarded Colliers International, a Boston-based real estate company, an exclusive deal to develop its commercial real estate potentially worth billions. Stuart Forbes, the CEO of Colliers, is Kerry’s cousin."

http://www.bop2004.org/dtaweb/bop2004/default.aspx?SECTION=CANDIDATE&CID=4

[wyldwolf]

162. But where does this say...

quid pro quo land development deals where Kerry sold out the possible POW's and persecuted Native Vietnamese who helped America in order to cut a deal to get his family's real estate development business EXCLUSIVE rights in parts of Nam?

Wait! It DOESN'T say this. You're "connecting the dots" (making things up) again, huh!

[Andy_Stephenson]

167. I'd say Colliers got a real sweetheart deal

wouldn't you? It was just accidental Collier's got the contract. No conspiracy there.

[wyldwolf]

171. But where does this say...

quid pro quo land development deals where Kerry sold out the possible POW's and persecuted Native Vietnamese who helped America in order to cut a deal to get his family's real estate development business EXCLUSIVE rights in parts of Nam?

Wait! It DOESN'T say this. You're "connecting the dots" (making things up) again, huh!

[Jen72]

89. I would think that Chris knows Kerry

better than you ever could hope too. He is family, his mother loves him and most likely trusts him like a father.
It is unbelievable that you would suggest, that someone mistrust his own Step-Father.
If you don't like him don't vote for them, but suggesting then Kerry's family turns on him is sick and why the hell should Chris have to justify his loyality to the man to you, it is none of your business. Would you fill vindicated if Chris and Vanessa came out and said that John Kerry was a dark, evil, Step-Father who has deprived two children who lost their father of a loving home?
Well they he obversely did something right by them, because they are
supporting his run for President and love him.

[oasis]

41. Chris, please participate in the poll "What % of DUers are nutcases?"

;-)

[eileen_d]

65. Where IS that poll?

Maybe he could just make his own calculations from this thread. :evilgrin:

Hi Chris!

[chookie]

42. Hi Chris!!!!

Your father, Senator Heinz, was a great man. We here in Pennsylvania still mourn him. How our great state has fallen from the days when we had his wisdom and leadership speaking and acting for us, to today, when we have outrageous ideologues like Santorum and Spector! No doubt, had he lived, he would have gone on to the Presidency, and been a great one at that.

We also ADORE your Mom. I hope you got to see the article that cartoonist Rob Rodgers of the Post Gazette wrote about her, in which he admits he is madly in love with her. He did a good job of summing up how many of us in PA feel about her.

It's funny -- a lot of us here think -- well, if Teresa married this guy, he must be awesome, and therefore support Senator Kerry's campaign to the presidency.

Good luck to you all, and thank you and all your family for their efforts to rescue our country from the treacherous path it has been taken to.

[Ouabache]

76. Does anyone think he will post in this thread ?

Maybe he already has.

That would be funny if DUers couldn't even recognize his posts, like if he was really coy in his reply(s), or if a few did, and just didn't voice who they thought he was.

That would be funny if he did that and no one caught on to who he was.

[eileen_d]

77. yes, also i wonder how huge his ignore list is? n/t

[Ouabache]

86. his ignore list is probably getting longer today

thats for sure,,, :-)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

94. Your step dad's win might cause some on this thread to hang themselves

Here's to your step dad winning. :toast:

[eileen_d]

96. omg, you're back! NSMA

Now why the HELL did you venture into this icky thread? lol

:toast:

[never cry wolf]

97. Hey, NSMA

Your back!!!!! KEWL!!!!!!!!!!!!

[indigo32]

98. SHE'S BAAAAACKKK

:loveya:

[blm]

99. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Way to step up to the plate, slugger!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

100. Sorry folks but I'm not back

Checked in to get my mail and had been following this thread for most of the morning just to se exactly how tacky it would get.

It simply confirmed my decision.I've gotta finish getting my mail from my inbox and will contact you if you contacted me.

[seventhson]

101. NIIIIICCCCEEEE!!!!!!

No. But we might GET hung by BFEE collaborators who will be allowed to proliferate

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

103. Are you insinuating that Kerry is a BFEE collaborator?

I don't understand

[wyldwolf]

105. Yes he is..

...to seventhson, pissing in the same DC restroom as someone in the BFEE makes you one of them.

[seventhson]

111. It depends on which restroom it is, i suppose -

if it is at the Skull's DC office restroom then YES I AM

[seventhson]

110. I am NOT insinuating that Kerry is a BFEE collaborator

I am saying it DIRECTLY.

Kerry is a BFEE collaborator IMNSHO

Happy NOW???

[Booberdawg]

142. Prove it

[blm]

106. Pushing to deregulate electricity is the act of a BFEE collaborator.

And you support him.

[seventhson]

114. It all depends on the plan.

In markets where elexctricity coops can work, deregulation may actually HELP consumers.

But this is NOT my area of expertise.

Making energy decisions which make sense or even which help improve service is not automatically BFEE.

Democratic legislators around the country have supported it.

If Dean did then I am sure he had his reasons.

Maybe it was a bad decision. Maybe NOT.

But to make it ipso facto BFEE is just blather

[my_2_cents]

116. Do you read your own posts?

But to make it ipso facto BFEE is just blather

Indeed, much like making everyone who belonged to a particular fraternity BFEE is just blather. Glad you recognize it.

[seventhson]

118. Not quite

BFEE is a secret order. a secret society with a lifetime membership. It is NOT a fraternity in any sense of the word. And its memnbers have a history of criminal and fascist involvement.

Study History - tuppence - THEN tell me it is JUST a fraternity.

[wyldwolf]

148. I've already discredited seventhson's Skulls theory...

...but he keeps on and on with it...

Conspiratorial supermarket tabloid.

Of the charges in your paragraph above, the only one that is verified is the funding of Hitler - Prescott Bush, of course. But several companies not related to Skull and Crossbones ALSO funded Hitler.

There is no proof of the charges of the Bay of Pigs invasion or the deployment of the atomic bomb

And speaking of the author, Alexandra Robbins, go to Amazon and read the editorial reviews of the book in question.

she relies heavily on the testimony of many Bonesmen, she never names names. While the book may demystify Skull and Bones, it also imparts the sense that Robbins, herself a Yale graduate and member of a rival society, believes in Yalies' elitist entitlement to power and prestige.

At the end of "Secrets of the Tomb" the author clearly accepts the info she got from "insiders," that they have "planted" most of what conspiracy researchers have written as "truth" about Skull and Bones. (Even seventhson has been duped!)

In other words, the Skulls have planted all the conspiracy info you believe,the author admits it.

[mitchtv]

115. Hey NSMA

good to see your post, glad you'rew back,I heard you were absent. so was I. you like kerry?, I'm undecided still . JK is in my top3 tho.

[TSIAS]

117. I see a "Chris Heinz" just registered

Maybe that's him.

[seventhson]

120. If it IS him, then he has a smart agenda.

Coming out here - like only a handful of others who are NOT anonymous (will pitt and symbolman come to mind) - in public is a smart and ballsy move and will giove him credibility.

It will also put him in the firing line for those like me who have LOTS of doubts about Kerry and his Skullish background and his Forbes family history with the Russell trust.

It could be a prankster though

we'll see.

welcome anyway. You are your own human being. Are YOU also a Skull? Go to Yale? Are you a Book and Snake or Wolf's Head? Brazilias or St, Anthony's or not Yale at all? Porcellian? Dinner club at Princeton?

Anyway. I am curious and unafraid.

This is for real

[ChrisHeinz]

122. Hello DU

Hi Guys,
Chris Heinz here. Seems a little weird to introduce myself as I have spent way too much time here in the past 6 months. I caught this thread in Iowa and saw that the jig was up. So, in an effort to continue to enjoy the board, I created this obvious identity for myself to say hi, but hope to continue to participate under my regular screen name. I hope you can respect that.

Just a few general comments.

1) I love the board and the passion here. More than that, this place has become a massive sounding board for me. I get a lot of my insights into the race from here. Whether that's good or not, I cant say, but I enjoy it, and I enjoy that fact that although I am a JK supporter, I am forced to consider competing arguments and positions. That's why I love the "view all" function. Well, that and broadband...I just got back from being on the road and hitting DU on dial-up is painful. Those of you who do are the real Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party.

2) Obviously, some of the stuff I have read about John (the negative stuff) is disheartening because I see him mostly in private moments and not thru the eyes of the campaign. I see a hard worker and a sensitive person. He has become my dear friend -- he is a truly decent man, a great listener, a real athlete and a wonderful father. None of that is automatic in a stepson/stepfather relationship. It is all earned. And it has been my great pleasure and honor to work for him these last few months.

3) I just have to address the Skull and Bones issue for one second. I went to Yale too and was not in S&B. Nor was my father, though I gather he was tapped (aka invited). Skull and Bones is a social institution and I dont believe it wields political influence. If it did, I probably would have found it more alluring. The fact is that the only time I ever wanted to be in S&B was AFTER I saw Skulls, mostly because the Yale in that film was a lot cleaner, had bigger rooms, nicer cars and prettier girls than the Yale I went to. At Yale, we all thought it pretty silly. (PS - I still love Yale).

4) For you Pennsylvanians, thanks for the kind words about my dad. We all miss him so much. And thanks for the nice words about my mom, or T as we call her. She's a fighter.

5) IWR note: JK is furious at Bush for pretty much everything he has done in Iraq. I've seen the argument here a million times. But I really think everyone should agree on two things:

-This administration was going to pull the trigger one way or another.
-If we had any of our current Democratic candidates in the White House, we either wouldnt be in Iraq now, or our presence would have a very different (read multinational/legit) tone. And our world would thus be a safer place.

6) One last point...we all have different opinions on here, and things are going to get uglier among the candidates before they get prettier. I hope we keep our collective eye on the ball. One thing that I am thankful for DU is that it has toughened me up, made me think through issues before I respond, and given me hope that the new great ideas for our country are just around the country in the form of our next Dem president. Again, keep your eye on the ball. It really is all about ABB.

And with that, I need to get some sleep. I am gonna be on Buchanan & Press tomorrow (one of my first forays into this talking heads realm). Wish me luck.

Best,

Chris Heinz

[VolcanoJen]

123. Welcome to DU!

:-)

[NewYorkerfromMass]

124. Welcome!

A lot of us here are behind JK 1000%, and we see him in just as good a light as you describe, and we love your mom too! We know this is going to be a long hard fight and we want to make sure John gets his chance.

Thanks for checking in and good luck on B&P!

[blm]

125. Welcome...

and many of us wish you all the best for you and your family.

[Melinda]

127. Dammit Chris, now I'm gonna toss and turn all night trying to figure out..

your other hidden persona, heh. But thanks for the sharing your insight and thoughts and for sharing our DU home. And know that if JK does get the nomination, that most of us will be behind him all the way because just like you, we too realize the fate of our country depends on us coming TOGETHER and electing ABB.

Catch ya on B&P. :hi:

[TSIAS]

132. Welcome, Chris

:hi:

--Taylor

[Punkingal]

133. Welcome to DU....

it's nice to know you're here.:hi:

[bicentennial_baby]

134. Welcome Chris!

:toast:

[Booberdawg]

135. Welcome to DU Chris

Looking forward to Buchanan & Press tomorrow!

:toast:

[indigo32]

136. Hi Chris

:hi:
thanks for your input and count me in as having my eye on the ball. :)

[WillyT]

137. Welcome To The DU Chris !!!

:bounce::toast::bounce:

Glad to have ya aboard!

Thanks for the insights, and don't let the 'fright-wiggers' drive ya off!!!

:hi:

[juajen]

139. I am late reading this thread, but, a very big WELCOME to DU

I like your stepfather very much, and your mom is charming. I am a KUCINICH supporter, but your stepdad is in my top three. The best of luck to you tomorrow on MSNBC. I will try to catch it. This is a very addictive board, so much diversity within the party and, sometimes, without. I am so glad you are here with us. BTW, I loved your stepdad on that motorcycle. Does he like Elvis? If so, I might switch my allegience. Just kidding, or am I?

:bounce: :bounce:

[RamboLiberal]

140. Hi Chris from a Pittsburgher

Welcome. Another Pennsylvanian who misses your dad and think the Republican party would've been different if John Heinz was still alive. He would have been a far better President than the current occupant of the White House.

I think your mom is a great and brave woman who would be a wonderful First Lady who would bring honor and compassion to the White House.

I'm supporting a couple of the Dem candidates and John Kerry is one of my top 4 and one of ones I think could take on and beat Bush.

Best to you and your family. Glad you hang out at DU.

[Andy_Stephenson]

141. Welcome to DU Chris....Help me to understand

I am patently anti-war and cannot endorse your stepfather. I was very disappointed with is Iraq war vote, Un-Patriot Act and Homeland Gestapo (I refuse to call it Security). I’m quite sure John knew what he was told was a lie. One of our own here, William Pitt, wrote a book about it. His tepid, dance around the elephant in the living room style, leaves me flat, and his attacks against Dean should be directed towards Bush*. Tell him to just call Bush a liar.

Unfortunately, I don’t see this happening between blue blood’s. John may be a very “decent man, and a great listener”. From my perspective, I see someone who was more concerned about his political hide than he was the people. Now we have young men dying in Iraq that more than likely were in the army to get a college education. They were not privileged enough to attend Yale, with all the hardship that entails. I wonder if they would trade a bit of dirt and small rooms for the position they find themselves in now.

I hold John as culpable and responsible for the bloodshed now occurring in Iraq as I do Bush*. “This administration was going to pull the trigger one way or another.” That may be true, but John did not have to give them the key to the trigger lock (IOW he should have showed some spine). Now that the genie is out of the bottle John feels safe to criticize and say he was lied to. But that does not cut it nor does it give him cover. Especially since the Kerry campaign has hired PNAC’ers. How convenient for him. He will be up to speed as soon as he takes office. But I will do everything in my power to make sure no one forgets his vote on War, Un-Patriot Act, The Gestapo, and his missed vote most recently on mini nukes. I believe in teaching 10 to teach 10.

It is unfortunate, before the Iraq war vote I could have forgiven John for the Patriot Act vote, and might have even voted for him. But the Damage done with the Iraq vote cannot be undone. I have a friend…her son came home from Iraq minus his left leg. I think of that young man and the many others, and my contempt for John and every Senator and Representative that voted for it grows. Add to that the assault on our civil rights and his credibility with me is shot.

It may be anybody but Bush to you to me it is anybody but Bush and Bush Enablers, of which your stepfather is one. Again Welcome to DU under your real name. I welcome your insight but my mind is made up and I am very stubborn. Ask blm…she will tell you. (But if you have been here 6 months I am sure you know already)

Andy

[0rganism]

146. Good luck tomorrow on B&P! and Welcome!

And no hard feelings to John Kerry over IWR. I may disagree with his vote, but I can see that there was a lot of leverage being applied at the time. Good luck with the campaigning!

[newyawker99]

147. Hi Chris!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[CWebster]

149. Funkenstein...

is that you? ;-)

[quinnox]

151. Well this is a surprise...

A very warm welcome to you! I look forward to your appearance on Buchanan and Press today. One comment about your mother, I once saw a photograph of her posted on DU and remarked she appears to be noble in spirit. After reading your post, I think this applies to the Kerry/Heinz family as a whole.

John Kerry is a great man, and I have complete confidence he will win this thing, and then cause Bush to pack his bags.

[in_cog_ni_to]

159. Buchanan and Press

will probably have their highest rated show today! I'll be tuned in and I wish you luck! Don't take any BS from Buchanan! :)

Welcome to DU! :toast: :bounce:

[janekat]

188. Hi Chris - If you don't have at least a few people hating you here

you're not saying or doing much of anything.... speaking as one who gets "ripped up" here on a regular basis.

I figure if I don't rile up at least a couple hundred people on this board a week I'm not being honest and I'm not saying much of anything (said with tongue planted firmly in cheek).

Don't let the "haters" get you down...

p.s. - love J.K. and am rooting for him. He's my #2....

[CMT]

212. Welcome, Mr. Heinz

I'm a committed Dean supporter but think JK has a wonderful record and can and will work and vote for him should he be the Democratic nominee. My very best to you and yours.

[curse10]

216. It's too bad you had to witness some of the rabid hatred

of Kerry on the board- as an avid Kerry supporter I also find it disheartening.

edited to fix grammar :-)

[seventhson]

220. No Rabid hatred of Kerry here

Just opposition to his candidacy and his proBush votes which gave our country to the fasscist BFEE

[Feanorcurufinwe]

219. A late Welcome!

:hi:

[Rowdyboy]

130. Welcome, Chris! I thought seventhson only hated Clark

Glad to see he has enough venom to spread around...Wish your stepdad wll

[Booberdawg]

138. Oh not at all! His promotion of irrational, unsubstantiated propaganda

about Kerry goes back a long way! The individual sinister charges that seventhson alleges about Kerry have been countered been debunked with evidence and supporting facts several times. He simply serves them up again to new audiences as if they've never been addressed. This nonsense about Skull and Bones is not a new one.

I could probably find some of the old threads. Not sure it's worth the trouble though.

[wyldwolf]

150. Just check some of my responses on Skulls for debunking material...

..the "evidence" of all the goings on with Skull and Bones is nothing more than amatuer marketing by that particular fraternity.

I'd be willing to bet that when seventhson was a little kid, he served of Big Foot evidence based on an episode of the Six Million Dollar Man.

[seventhson]

153. Correction, Rowdyboy. I hate no one. I hate the evil they represent

and the evil they have done.

Both Kerry and Clrk have been responsible IMHO for crimes against humanity.

Kerry for the war and the patriot act and the homeland security act votes (and letting the Bushes walk on BCCI and Iran-Contra)

And Clark for his military activities in Latin America and use of DU and bombing of civilians in Kosovo. AND his being a republican.

My faith keeps me from hating anyone (with very few exceptions for the most evil of mass killers and torturers)

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[seventhson]

152. Hello and Welcome to Chris. You see I have quite a following here

They follow me to most posts and try to harangue me into conceding defeat through intimidation and repeated obfuscations.

On Skull -- it has been reported that your father was a member.

Taps often are told to say trhey were tapped but did NOT accpet. This is an OLD ploy used by them.

Is it possible your father was tapped and just walked away from it? He is listred as a member in various media reports.

Alexandra Robbins has pretty much the definitive material on Bones and I agree that even this materials is compromised by her proximity to Yale and the secret socieities there. You do NOT mention if YOU were a member of any group (and probably won't)..

But I come from a Yale family and KNOW many of the players: Bundys (Vietnam), Davisons (Morgan Bank and CIA, even members of my own family (no first degeree relatives, though) were in Skull.

So this notion that Skull is an innocuous social group is belied by the historical facts. Their ties to covert political ops globally via CIA ties and banking ties is well known and documented. The players admit these activities from the Bay of Pigs to Mossadegh's ouster in Iran.

It strikes me as disingenuous to say it is not significant. But if Kerry cannot cvome clean on it then he is not to be trusted.

If your own father would not discuss his own membership in it (if the allegations of his membership are true) then doesn't that TELL you something?


My reasons for opposing Kerry go deeper than his simple membership. His family FOUNDED and FUNDED the goddamned thing in the 1830's which I consider to be a criminal racketeering organization whch SHOULD be brought down under RICO statutes.

I welcome you to the boards, though. Perhaps you can get answers that many of us have been seeking for years.

Kerry's silence on this speaks volumes. It is neiother honorable nor loyal. It demonstrates infantile dediction to a childish, cultish and ignoble cause which conflicts with his duties as a Senator and as a candidate. He should renounce the Skull Order and come clean about their history and their crimes.

If the movie "The Skulls" made you want to join then I urge everyone here to SEE that movie and judge for yourself whether it is a noble idea to want to join THEM.

Shalom

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[nothingshocksmeanymore]

207. So you're asking him to choose between his father and you as to whom

has more credibility with him? Have you no sense of decency?

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[seventhson]

213. Skull has no sense of decency

I think these organizations lie to their own families as a matter of course.

On the other hand there is no way of knowing whether the Kerry team needs to spin this here at DU their way and get as many people as possible to dismiss the negatives on Skull and Yale.

I KNOW these people backed Hitler.

I KNOW that Yale funds are used to sponsor slavery and oppression in the Sudan.

I am asking that the HISTORY be examined and the truth be known and told.

You make this a personal thing.

So now that the son and stepson of two admittedly tapped Bonesmen is posting here at DU I am somehow supposed to STOP asking questions???

EVERY EFFORT IS BEING MADE TO DISCREDIT ME BY THE KERRY TEAM HERE AT DU.

Silence is not an option.

Call it "tough love" or an "intervention" but if Mr. Heinz is here supporting his stepdad then he needs to face the realities of that which he is supporting.

I urge everyone once again to READ the article by Alexandra Robbins at Guerrilla News and draw their OWN conclusions.

http://www.guerrillanews.com/counter_intelligence/doc808.html

I am certain that Chris' Yale experience has toughened him up enough for this battle here over the Kerry history and the questions surrounding his father.

My own father suffered at the hands of these creeps for opposing their support of fascism. He was a Yalie too. They betrayed him and ruined him. So Chris and I MAY have something in common.

Back off

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

215. Well since you started a thread outing Heinz, you should give us

your father's name in support of your own credibility. Otherwise, the Robbin's interview, which I read at your request, does as much to discredit you as support you, notwithstanding the fact that Kerry himself is far too young to have been involved in any Nazi support.

She makes it clear not all are culpable and that there are "cliques" within the group.

IF you are against secretiveness the please don't be secretive with your father's identity. We need your full disclosure in search of the truth. If you are unwilling to abide by this then I see no reason to give you any credibility in the matter.

Practice what you preach. How can I know your father suffered? Maybe he was the perpetrator.....and please...if you can be wildly insensitive in the matter of Mr Heinz's father...don't expect any better with regard to your own.

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[nothingshocksmeanymore]

223. This post just goes to show how very delusional you are and

why your sycophantic rants comparing John Kerry to a Nazi and claiming he is a stealth member of the BFEE are a complete embarrassment to this site meant to discredit one of the most popular candidates by the RIGHT and the LEFT.

BTW, Anthny Sutton from whom you get most of your hallucinogenic information from was with the HUDSON Institute. Funny you would question Kerry but not Sutton who might very deliberately be planting disinformation on the web to appeal to the nut cases on the right and the left.


He sucked YOU in...that's proof enough for me.

[Zolok]

154. A note to Chris Heinz...

Chris buddy, forget these crackpots...tinkers and circus folk the lot of them.
:)
Slide on over to "Chimes at Midnight" for a daily dose of sensible ideological warfare.

www.chimesatmidnight.blogspot.com

[birdman]

174. Chris, forget the mental cases and enjoy DU

Sometimes it's embarrassing to be a DUer but most
of the time it's a good experience.

[CoffeePlease1947]

179. I would vote for JK if he did one thing with Heinz Ketchup

You know those little packets of ketchup. Well, they don't put much ketchup in them. So I have to open like 15 of them at one time. This is a problem because my food gets cold. If Heinz ketchup would just make those packets a little bigger and fill them so I get something out of them, well that would make my day. It would also be nice if they had some grip on them. It is hard to open them when your hands are either wet or greasy. :P

Mike

[wyldwolf]

181. It's all a conspiracy, I tell ya!

John Kerry is conspiring to keep the little people down by skimping them on ketchup! This proves he is in cahoots with Bush!

After all, it is a part of PNAC no one knows about where they speak of controlling the world through Ketchup rations.

[birdman]

183. Skull and Boners have larger packets

The ruling elites want to keep the little people
under control by keeping them busy opening endless
ketchup packets.

I always put ketchup on my strawberries.

[CoffeePlease1947]

186. ROFLMAO

They are as bad as sunflower seeds sometimes. That is the plan alright! To make sure we are consumed with opening ketchup packets rather than paying attention to what they are doing to the country. It is working too. :P

Mike

[birdman]

187. Those boners are squeezing packets right on Geronimos skull

Exclusive picture of their secret tribunal.

[wyldwolf]

189. I don't think it is Geronimo's skull...

...it's John Belushi's skull.

[CoffeePlease1947]

184. LOL-I just want my Heinz on warm food

I also despise those that burger joints that either charge you or limit the number of packets they give you.
How many people just use one of those packets? Nobody, therefore it is a waste to make them so small. Jumbo fries need at least 6 packets. So double the size, lessen the waste, and create larger packers. :)

Mike

[seventhson]

180. A Studly Picture of Chris with some Hot Grease on the subject

http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/people/columns/intelligencer/newyorkminute/n_8971/


A DUer in politics on his own???

VERY interesting!


Handsome dude and gwyneth sirer???

[blm]

191. I'm glad that he takes the world's problems so seriously

and intends to work at solutions. Typical of his father, his mother and stepfather.

[Octafish]

197. Good Luck to you and yours, Chris!

A hearty welcome to DU, too!

[seventhson]

198. A Kick cause he's a DUer on TV today

I may disagree with his choice for President (and his mother's choice for husband) BUT -- it is still good for America when someone who is involved in ANY way with DU is on the national stage.

Whether you agree or disagree with me, Kerry, Bush, Clark or Dean -- the fact is that people at this site cover ALL the bases of the left and the pseudo left.

THAT means this site is making an impact.

It is extremely significant that Kerry's son announced publicly that he chats here.

Many Kerry supporters will come.

Many opponents will have to work extra hard to expose him for what we believe he is.

The Clark and Dean people will have to compete HERE too.

More than 32,000 MEMBERS and probably 100's of thousands of visitors.

WE make a difference.

That is why Chris is here.

Chris wants to make a difference.

And that is why he is here AND on NBC tonight.

Power to US!!! DU and our bigass tent!!! ABB (almost)

[FDRrocks]

199. He doesn't really post here.

He lurks here, I'm sure he misstated that. Welcome to DU Kerry-son. Well, what I mean is he DIDN'T post here.

[ChrisHeinz]

200. BS

I post here all the time. Next time you make judgements, base them in fact.

DU, I am here everyday, dressed in the clothes of a regular old John Kerry supporter. Anyone who says otherwise doesnt know me or care to be honest.

[FDRrocks]

202. 2 post, what was your other name?

thats what I was basing this all on. Call me on it if you want, 1 post, after the topic was made.

edit: That wasn't a flame, but If you like hostility.

[JI7]

205. he wants to remain anonymous

he has another name which he uses regularly for du. i think he signed up using chrisheinz(real name) after seeing some posts about him and his using du to answer some questions or just confirm he uses it. that's why there are only a few posts under his real name.

[ChrisHeinz]

206. You got it.

It isn't much fun here if people peg you as a partisan (which by the way, isn't my style anyway).

Goodnight.

[never cry wolf]

208. Late to this thread

but welcome Chris. (Actually, if you've been here 6 months you're more of a vet than I am.)

My son, who will turn 18 in time to vote, is an avid JK fan. I am still undecided except for ABB, of that I have no questions.

I hope all the candidates lurk here or at least have someone keeping tabs on DU.

Best of luck to your and your stepdad, we're all on the same side.

[Zolok]

222. Chris ow much does the Kerry Campaign pay

Seventhson to carry on in his unique paranoid style on the DU?
He is much too modest to answer this question himself...
Beacause whatever it is, Senator Kerry should double it...every time he unleashes Clark and Kerry he drives voters away Kucinich, Dean, Braun etc...
It is a clever ruse, I'm impressed.

:)

[seventhson]

224. Not enough for your abuse

frankly I SHOULD alert.

Calling folks paranoid is against the rules.

But I doubt that my opposition to Kerry and Clark is driving folks away from the other candidates. My favorite candidate is Gore.

I came to Dean by default. My heart is closer to Kucinich and Sharpton (Braun, who I would support, sounds kind of mainstream centrist).

So my support for other candidates is actually NOT as strong as my opposition to Kerry and Clark.


That is a nice fantasy for you to have, though.

[seventhson]

203. Unfortunately, Chris, there is plenty of bullshit here. But plenty of ...

truth, fortunately.


I am glad that you set the record straight on this one (if this is really you as YOU could be fakin' too, actually. Tho I tend to doubt it.

Just so you know: I come from the ame kind of elitist background as you. I have family who were (are) in Skull. Now they are relatives by marriage. But I have blood relatives (late) who WERE in.

I do not share your view that it is innocuous and only a social club.

I think that it is deviant and criminal.

But your stepdad's silence on the subject is hurting him.

The crimes of Skull members are well-documented. Not ALL members re criminals IMO. But their membership in what I believe is a criminal organization makes them guilty by both association and because they have taken an oath of loyalty and silence about THE ORDER.

How can that be defended?

I do not think it can, despite your perspective.

But, as you well, know, we could BOTH be lying.

I rely on history to vindicate my view.

Nice to meet you, however.

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[seventhson]

201. No he DOES and DID post here. He says he has an alter ego here

and he will continue to post under that.

That is the way I read it.

[roguevalley]

211. Good. Welcome. I love your mom. She's a classy lady. I hope she keeps

speaking her mind. The world needs more women speaking
up. The last classy woman who did coined the inimitable
"whistle ass".

[DrFunkenstein]

221. I Met Chris Heinz At A Meetup

I talked with him briefly, and he seemed to be my favorite kind of person - very smart, very funny, and very genuine.

I found out the hard way that he was hanging at DU. I had posted something saying that I was going to the NYC Meetup, and he asked around if "DrFunkenstein" was in the room. I didn't know whether to raise my hand or take to the shadows. I decided to introduce myself later on, when it wouldn't be a public spectacle.

When we did talk, though, he seemed thoroughly decent. Over the months I've been here at DU, I've got to know some just plain decent people (including Dean supporters) and I guess you could say Chris Heinz is one of them.

Which reminds me - however heated things get during the race, let's keep in mind from time to time that we are opposition, not enemies. Bitter words may fly, but I'm sure if we met each other in person we'd be on much more friendly terms. Hopefully, when all is said and done, we can keep in mind that we are all Democrats, and Americans, and basically a bunch of good people.

I think that the example of Chris's father also helps as a general reminder that even Republicans can be principled, sincere, and genuinely devoted to the well-being of people. I consider myself a very liberal person, but I have the utmost respect for principled followers of conservatism. I can't think of a sentiment much more agreeable than this one:

Commenting on his first 100 days in office, Congressman Heinz said, "I have attempted to wear no label, neither 'liberal' nor 'conservative' nor 'pro-labor' nor 'pro-management.' I have acted in each case on the basis of what I believe is right for my constituents, for our state and for the country."

http://zeeb.library.cmu.edu/Libraries/Heinz/HJH_Bio.html

I feel awkward mentioning his father in Chris's presence, but I would never do so without the deepest respect. And, of course, I also have the deepest respect for his step-father, to whom I've devoted blood, sweat, and tears for several months now. With all honesty, John Kerry has really served to restore my faith in American democracy after a period of incredible cynicism for me.

And, I must admit, I think Teresa is awesome. She reminds me alot of my wife, with her passion and sincerity. It was very strange for me at first to deal with my wife's blunt honesty, but I very quickly realized that it establishes a climate of trust. I feel the same way about Teresa Heinz. It may be uncomfortable in the short-term, but you can trust her to say what she is feeling. And she is funny as hell, too.

The Kerry-Heinz connection must make for one hell of a Brady Bunch. Just from having met Chris for that short time, I could see that he was part of all that. I think it's totally cool that he's into DU, and I just hope he isn't one of those pesky Dean supporters on the board...