so the conservatives hate mandela now?

[don jose]

a thread on ann coulter chat - "nelson mandela is an anti-american scumbag". some of the blatent racism on this thread is shocking

http://pub168.ezboard.com/fanncoulterofficialchatfrm1.showMessage?topicID=21243.topic

[youngred]

1. well what do you expect of an all coulter chat?

They've always hated him, nothing new here

[no one in particular]

2. They've always hated him.

AFAIK

[Kelvin Mace]

3. Limbaugh used to go on about him

for 20 minutes a tirade.

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[Zero Gravitas]

14. That was just the pills talking

[ixion]

4. freepers hate anyone who speaks the truth

anyone who has intellect or common sense. The only people they don't seem to hate are vicious thugs.

[morebunk]

5. They hate any decent man of honor...especially if they are non-white

Anyone who is truly NOT a coward is hated by conservative. They only like cowards who talk big and bad and who drop bombs from afar.

[ablbodyed]

7. TRUE....

The Whimmies (WhiteHeteroMales) hate anyone with a brain that does more that keep their hearts pumping.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

13. Not True

I'm a white, heterosexual male, and I don't fit your description.

[pansypoo53219]

16. make them

white hetero intollerant pills. whimppies.

[Classical_Liberal]

6. What's new?

They supported Apartied in the 1980s.

[Kamika]

8. I bet theyre saying hes a terrorist

Wouldnt surprise me abit.

Anyone going against any kind of goverment that we arent enemies with are considered terrorists by the sheep

[AntiCoup2K4]

9. Of course they hate Mandela

Because he ruined that "beautiful system" of Apartheid over in South Africa. Those guys were Freeper idols.

[leetrisck]

10. And he said some unkind things

about the present occupier of the WH and refused to see bush when he was over there. Clinton & Mrs. attended his birthday party later.

[Dogmudgeon]

11. But Mandela called Schwartzenegger to congratulate him!

Well, now ... does that mean a DU flamefest will be planned?

:)

Daniel Pipes also hates him because he was nice to Arafat. But there's plenty of hate to go around, and after 28 years in Robins Island, Mandela has seen worse.

--bkl

[shanti]

28. now THAT

i simply don't understand...why in the world would nelson mandela have shit to do with schwarzengroper?

[leesa]

12. Well, if he's anti-American, it is not without reason

Freepers are living in a dream world of the fifties. Leave it to Beaver and all that apple pie stuff...totally out of touch with reality.

[AP]

15. Cheney, when he was a congressman, made some vote not to censure

South Africa for jailing him, or something like that (so, yeah, we have a fascist President of US and Gov of CA and a racist VP).

The right wing has to anticipatorily repudicate and character assassinate Mandela in order to make Cheney's congressional vote not seem so sick.

[JohnKleeb]

17. yep you are right about that AP

This behavior by these wingers is worthly of a :puke:, Mandela is one of the best men of the times.

[Papa]

20. just look at Cheneys voting record

Cheney repeatedly opposed sanctions on South Africa during the mid 80's. In 1986 he voted agains a resolution calling for Mandelas freedom. He also voted against imposing sanctions on South Africa at least 9 separate times.

It was a sham the media gave a pass to Cheney on this info during the 2000 campaign. It's clear that Cheney was on the wrong side of history, made the wrong choices in wanting to keep the status quo in South Africa, and voting to keep Mandela in jail. How can anyone trust this mans judgement is beyond me. If you want to know right from wrong, just look at Cheney. Whatever he says, the opposite must be true.

[screaming_meme]

18. I think they hate him for being communist

Not for being black. They love Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice and Colin Powell. Race doesn't mitigate their affection. Do a Google search on the following: Nelson Mandela Communist. Readt he links that turn up. Then you might understand why he aint so popular with the GOP.

[rman]

19. i think they hate him because he's a good man;

"communist" is just an excuse. any repub knows he's supposed to hate communists. Or terrorists for that matter, but to call Mandela a terrorist would as of yet be over the top even for repubs.

aren't these the same people who say Mother Theresa was a scam?

[gratuitous]

22. Hmmmm, who to believe . . . ?

All the hysterical folks who look at Mandela and scream "Communist", or Desmond Tutu, who in his book "No Future Without Forgiveness" who declares that a trumped-up charge by folks who wanted to torture and oppress without outside interference? Think, think.

I guess I'll go with the guy who won the Nobel Peace Prize on this one, and who didn't have a financial stake in the continuation of a corrupt system of oppression. Tough call, though.

[screaming_meme]

32. When you write a book titled "How to be a Good Communist"

with absolutely no sense of irony, (like Nelson Mandela did) then it is fair to label you a communist.

[Classical_Liberal]

24. They said the same thing about MLK

Big friking deal. They believe liberals are commies. How come after becoming President Nelson didn't institute communism?

[beanball]

25. Hate in America

you are so right they don't show their hate when it come to Unka Clarence,Auntie Condi and the houseboy Colin they are A.K.U.T's.

[AP]

26. He ain't so popular because the US was in bed with all the big businesses

making huge profits off of a totally inequitable economy in SA. HUGE PROFITS.

Bush and Cheney LOVE PROFITS FOR BIG BUSINESS. Neslson Mandela could have been a vegan pacifist who believed that a space ship flying behind Haley's comet was going to pick him up on its next pass so long as he was wearing white Nikes, and Bush and Cheney still would have hated him for being an effective leader in bringing an end to that inequitable, imperialist bullshit SA was perpetrating.

So google that and put a flaming necklace on its neck and shove it.

[lancemurdoch]

34. Workers of the world unite for a white South Africa....

...that was one of the early slogans of the Communist Party of South Africa, something Paul Krugman mentioned in one of his recent columns. It seems strage Mandela would be cozying up too close to that.

The reality is is that anyone who disagreed with the US right wing from 1917-1991 was accused of being a pawn of Moscow, whether they be American or not. No nukes? Commie plot. Ho Chi Minh wants the French and US out of Vietnam? Agent of Moscow. And so forth. Then again, people see what they want to see...

[David__77]

21. They've ALWAYS hated Mandela.

Mandela is a great progressive fighter against fascism-why would they like him? No, they like Pinochet instead. They like Botha.

[dwmcqueen]

29. Right...

The traditional conservative element against Mandela (besides that he dared snub Bushie) was that the ANC actually had communist tendencies and therefore was not in the best interest of American interests to support its struggle. If I remember correctly, there wa s moment when the US supported the Ikwatha Freedom Party since it did not share the same economic policies that may have been advocated by some members of the ANC...

I think it was 'fluff' for a deep-seated racism - but that was the argument.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

23. By the way, anyone who wants to read about apartheid-era

South Africa would be well-advised to check out the mystery novels of James McClure.

He's a white South African who fled to England during the apartheid era and wrote a series of mysteries featuring an Afrikaner detective named Kramer and his Zulu driver, Zondi. Kramer is basically a decent man, but he's been brought up as a racist. He initially finds Zondi to be an infuriatingly "uppity Kaffir," but as the books progress, he begins to appreciate Zondi's keen mind and ability to learn the secrets of white suspects from their "invisible" black servants. He also starts to feel vaguely guilty about the contrast between Zondi's living conditions and his own.

McClure's anger at the apartheid system comes through in little details scattered throughout the books, such as when the parents of a black murder victim are not allowed to wait in the lobby of the coroners' office but are made to sit in the coffin storage room.

My recommendation is to start with a 1989 book called The Steam Pig, because it hinges upon the previous system's penchant for classifying every individual racially, its occasional practice of arbitrarily reclassifying people for unknown reasons with no possibility of appeal, and how such a reclassification affects every aspect of the lives of every member of the family.

The mainstream media didn't report much of this stuff, and the South African government liked to brag about its models of "separate development," so Americans might have wondered what all the fuss was about. These books make it clear.

[AP]

27. Don't forget to read the books by the black authors who lived with aparth-

eid every day and for whom fucking off ot England wasn't an option.

[eablair3]

31. any particular recommendations? (nt)

[eablair3]

30. thanks for the tip

haven't read any of his books, but I'll have to look for them. thanks.

[fizzana]

33. Mandela wasn't a communist and the ANC were always very

wary of Communism and the South African Communist Party. They did have an alliance but it was more an alliance of convenience against a mutual enemy.

Read Mandela's autobiography or some of the biographies on him (Anthony Sampson & Fatima Meer's are the two best) will give you a lot more insight into the man and his thinking. I would recommend everyone read at least one of them. There are few personal stories as amazing.

Mandela & Scharzenegger - Nelson is enough of a person to transcend political parties and deal with the person on their own merits. He actually has a fairly decent relationship with Poppy.

As for Ann Coulter I heard her on the radio about a year ago regretting that the U.S. didn't support the apartheid government as much as they should have. I tried to call in to give her hell but couldn't get through. She is truly loathesome.