Something not quite kosher about Kucinich

[screaming_meme]

from his website: He not only believes in sustainability, he practices it. Congressman Kucinich is one of the few vegans in Congress, a dietary decision he credits not only with improving his health, but in deepening his belief in the sacredness of all species http://www.kucinich.us/issues.htm


Yet he supports abortion?
In a Kucinich administration, a woman’s right-to-choose will be protected as essential to personal privacy and gender equality. Only those who agree to uphold Roe v. Wade will be nominated for the Supreme Court. http://www.kucinich.us/issues/issue_10key.htm


Democraticunderground, I ask you: What's up with that?

[Jesus H. Christ]

1. I don't see a conflict.

He doesn't like meat. He believes in a womans right to choose.

[Terwilliger]

2. I'm sorry...is there a point?

I can't see one if there was one.

[screaming_meme]

10. Point is this

Kucinich has altered his diet to reflect his feelings towards animals. That they shouldn't be slaughtered for human food. Yet he has no problem with terminating human life in the womb. I am pro-choice, but Kucinich bragging about how reverent he is towards life while supporting abortion is kind of, well, creepy.

[Mandate My Ass]

12. He supports a woman's right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy

calling it a "human life" doesn't make it so.

He personally does not "support" abortion, but he respects women enough to keep his personal feelings out of the matter, as he should.

[charlie]

13. Flogging that "creepy" meme again?

[Darranar]

14. So you're pro-choice?

But you consider having concern for life to be incompatble with being pro-choice? I see something creepy here, too...

[screaming_meme]

17. I never claimed I held life sacred

Suck em up. You rape 'em, we scrape 'em.

[Darranar]

21. You don't hold life sacred?

So you don't see anything wrong with mass murdering innocent animals?

[screaming_meme]

24. Well, I have no qualms about eating them

And I dont get up on a high horse proclaiming how all species are "sacred". All of them, apparently, except for human fetuses.

[Darranar]

26. He doesn't want everyone to become a vegan...

It's a personal decision of his.

He doesn't think abortion is a good idea, either. However, he isn't willing to force his ideas on anyone else.

Personally, I agree with him, though I'n no vegan so I guess you could accurately call me a hypocrite.

[Mandate My Ass]

28. Funny

how your arguments and the terms you use to make your points sound identical to those used by the pro-birthers.

Finding contradiction between someone's diet and their position on women's reproductive freedom is also quite jarring.

[kiahzero]

30. OK, you're wrong.

Wrong as wrong could be.

1) Fetuses are not a separate species from humans (which you didn't say, but was certainly implied in your post).

2) Fetuses are not alive, and therefore arguing that being pro-choice is inconsistant with a respect for life is not a logical argument.

3) As far as I've heard, Kucinich has never come out and said everyone has a moral obligation to be a vegan.

[corarose]

15. Who's going to pay for all of the unwanted & abused babies?

More power to him for being a vegan but the abortion issue has nothing to do with his eating habbits.

I know tons of vegans who are activists and they all are for abortions.

[Terwilliger]

22. Excuse me...is he performing the abortions?

Seems like a badly conceived point. Go back to the drawing board.

[Clete]

3. You guys back again?

You really can take the whole day off. We don't mind.

[kiahzero]

4. Wow

First he's attacked for being pro-life. Now an attack for being pro-choice.

:eyes:

[tinanator]

6. jinxed

you owe me a coke

[tinanator]

5. wow I cant tell the difference between FR and DU either

maybe we're both lost?

[Q]

7. I think Kucinich is safe as long as he doesn't...

...eat a fetus.

- What's the point of this thread? A humor break?

[kiahzero]

9. That's hilarious (n/t)

[tinanator]

16. actually there is a dull point being made

its pretty obvious, but just in case. Clearly, "people" are posting some very childish things in order to stir up divisiveness. This is surely THE lamest example I've seen. Perhaps the greater whole of DU doesnt understand the power/danger of solidarity. Some "people" certainly do, and they fear it to the point of doing some pretty childish things on message boards, and elsewhere to prevent it.
Perhaps this lesson could be learned, and participants innoculated against them to the point where these attempts are completely inneffective? It is CRYSTAL CLEAR that Dennis Kucinich represents the greatest threat to those who fear solidarity and democracy. So he enjoys the lion's share of these attempts. So much more than transparent.

[Maple]

8. Don't worry about him

he isn't going anywhere anyway. The rest of his platform is just as contradictory.

[twilight]

11. Not going anywhere! Hardly! 60% would vote for him in this poll!

Would you vote for Dennis Kucinich for President?
Choice Votes Percentage of 2128 Votes
Yes. 1267 60%
No. 742 35%
I'm not sure yet. 119 6%

:dem: :kick:

[Maple]

20. WHAT poll?

Taken amongst Kucinich supporters??

Most people have never heard of him.

And never will.

[Clete]

19. Not only that.

I was amazed to learn that his campaign manager, a schoolteacher by profession, in my area is a Republican. She did explain that she is fed up with Bush and the PNAC crowd and decided to look at the Democratic candidates and she decided that she liked Dennis so much she would campaign for him. She really does too. She's not running a campaign for him to lose. As a matter of fact she is running a better campaign here already than the Howard Dean front person, who is my guy.

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. How you can equate vegetarianism with

abortion...is beyond me. I have to say, that's a first! :eyes:

[Maple]

23. Oh I say there is a definite

relationship. You just don't want to admit it.

[charlie]

27. I'm sure he doesn't want to outlaw hamburgers either

Shocked? I'll bet you are.

[Maple]

31. Since hamburgers have nothing whatever

to do with it.....

[charlie]

38. I gave you an opening

to pound on the hypocrite for allowing unchecked meat consumption and you whiffed... sheesh.

[wuushew]

29. So is Nizkor wrong?

Description of Red Herring
A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:


Topic A is under discussion.
Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A).
Topic A is abandoned.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument against a claim.

Examples of Red Herring

"We admit that this measure is popular. But we also urge you to note that there are so many bond issues on this ballot that the whole thing is getting ridiculous."

"Argument" for a tax cut:
"You know, I've begun to think that there is some merit in the Republican's tax cut plan. I suggest that you come up with something like it, because If we Democrats are going to survive as a party, we have got to show that we are as tough-minded as the Republicans, since that is what the public wants."


"Argument" for making grad school requirements stricter:
"I think there is great merit in making the requirements stricter for the graduate students. I recommend that you support it, too. After all, we are in a budget crisis and we do not want our salaries affected

[Maple]

33. Thank you for the lecture

but I'm sure we are all aware of what a red herring is.

[cosmicdot]

32. since you're weighing in on whom we Americans elect President

often in a patronizing way

could you link details, explain


"Oh I say there is a definite relationship."

[Maple]

36. Since your chosen

American president is often a pain in the ass to others, I said there was a definite relationship here....if animal life is so sacred he doesn't eat it, then being pro choice is a contradiction in values.

He also contradicts himself over free trade and the WTO...possibly because he has no clue about either thing.

Which, if he wants to be president, is kinda important.

PS...and don't worry, I'd say the same about a contradictory Canadian. :D

[Terwilliger]

34. I'd say there isn't

you just don't like Kucinich

[Maple]

37. You wouldn't either

if you understood his profound ignorance of the issues.

[Terwilliger]

39. I understand yours

though I don't understand why you're still here

[Nottingham]

25. I think that this is one of the Few men to Vote against the Iraq War

and he was damn right :bounce: and this is the #1 issue in the election and the # 2 Issue is the economy and I don't care if he is vegetarian or NOT!

He is talking about REALLY BIG ISSUES here! :bounce:

[0rganism]

35. Well, he's human, and human meat isn't on the kosher menu

Until recently, he opposed abortion rights. Claims to have had an epiphany of some sort, from talking to a lot of women's rights groups. At worst, it's the same kind of political pragmatism that enabled Sen. Kerry to vote for the war in Iraq.

[David Zephyr]

40. Where's the Inconsistency?

I'm supporting Howard Dean, but I will tell you this: Dennis Kucinich and Carol Mosely-Braun are the two I personally identify with the most of all the candidates.

[AnnabelLee]

41. Locking

This thread was started by a disruptor who has since been banned.

Thank you
AnnabelLee
DU Moderator