No WMD? No 'imminent threat' becomes the story.

[Q]

You didn't really hear what you thought you heard. Or did you?

- CSPAN callers/Bush* supporters are still insisting that Bush* NEVER declared Iraq was an 'imminent' threat. Why is it so important to them that Bush* DIDN'T say it? Could it be that they now understand that what he did was illegal, immoral and unethical?

- The RWing's insistence that he 'didn't say it' or even suggest it came about when it became clear to the whole world that Saddam had no weapons that posed the type of danger that required a rush to war. Even through their dimness they understand that rushing this nation to war without any evidence of an 'imminent threat' is a really bad thing.

- So there you have it. Bush* supporters can't stand that their glorious leader has been caught in yet another lie. Instead of admitting that he lied...they simply change the meaning of what he said. The American media and the opposition have nothing more to say about it. End of story. Bush* didn't lie. Move on.

[rusty charly]

1. just like

changing the meaning of "mission accomplished"

[Q]

3. Exactly. We didn't hear what we thought we heard...

- The truth is whatever the Bushies say it is.

- We're just being 'partisan' for pointing out that Bush* indeed DID push this nation into war based on what they repeatedly said was an immediate threat.

- Mr. Orwell's "1984" continues to play out right before our eyes.

[zubeneshamali]

2. Looks like the story's changing

No longer WMD - it's back to terrorism. Can you say flip-flop?

"THE BUSHIES FIGHT BACK"
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/8020.htm

[La_Serpiente]

4. Even if there wasn't an imminent threat

There wasn't even a gathering threat. There basically was zilch when it came to evidence of a Nuclear or Chemical weapons cache building up.

[Q]

5. They say Americans have very short memories...

...unless it involves Clinton and blow jobs.

- Why is it that Republicans are suddenly suffering from retrograde amnesia? Could it be that Bush* is a war criminal trying to cover his trail?

[DrBB]

6. As Josh Marshall calls it, more "up is down-ism" n/t

[Q]

8. But DUers have been able to come up with many quotes...

...that would more than 'suggest' that Bush* did indeed say that Iraq posed the type of threat that required an immediate attack.

- In fact...the threat was SO immediate that the Bushies ignored the UN security counsel and the rest of the world and launched an invasion...beginning with shock and awe.

- Aggressive war of the type that Bush* used against Iraq is plainly illegal and against the Geneva Convention and other international laws. RWingers know this by now...and that's why up is down and down is up.

[liberalmuse]

7. It makes the head spin...

Maybe if enough of our heads are spinning from the full-out assault on truth, the centrifugal force will throw all the liars off the planet. One can dream.

On edit: The Bush administration is actually causing part of the human race to de-evolve. This, right here is the point where they've gone so low that they'll never be able to pick themselves back up. If you can convince yourself to believe because Bush didn't actually say the words, 'Imminent threat' that anyone who believes he meant this was only imagining things, that this lets Bush off the hook where the Iraq war is concerned...my god.

This is why the Nazi's could build concentration camps next to nice, Christian neighborhoods--'Gee, I smell burnning human flesh on a daily basis, and some of the people who work over at that barbed-wire factory are a little thin...oh well. Heil Hitler!' Christ almighy!

[w13rd0]

9. Bush called Saddam's Iraqi regime...

...a GRAVE AND GROWING THREAT. He's a liar, and all the Bush supporters calling in, they too are liars.

[Q]

10. Bush* pushed this nation into war using lies...

...and among those lies was the impression they gave that Saddam was about to send terrorists or weapons our way.

- The danger here is that when a liar is allowed to get away with lies...there's no incentive to stop lying.

[4dsc]

11. Now rightie is stating

that anti-war advocates wanted to CONTINUE those sanctions as the sanctions called for inspections..

SPIN AWAY rightie..

[newsjunkie]

12. so what if he didnt say the exact words

He sure did everything possible to convey the message that there was. They all spread out all over and cried about mushroom clouds and fifteen minutes and proof and documents and satellite photos and etc,blah blah blah...they were trying to convince us there was a very real and urgent threat. Thats the only reason Congress went along with it....they were INTENTIONALLY MISLED,and so was the UN. I heard a stupid RWer on c-span this morning saying that again.."He never said that so he didnt lie!" but they are missing the point. It matters not one bit that he didnt use that word. He damn sure did lie and it was a planned and deliberate lie IMO. Thats why they tried to discredit Joe Wilson..he was exposing their lie when their was still time to do something about it and stop that insane unnecessary war.

[radwriter0555]

13. He used the word "threat' over and over and over in that speech.

like some 13 times at least.

The usage is irrelevent. Not even worth discussing. The point is that bush, powell, rumseld and cheney have habitually lied.

[4dsc]

14. Here's a good reference site

http://www.compassiongate.com/moralclarity/cc203a.htm

[leetrisck]

15. Another lie, another dollar

for King "Slimy Shrub"

[catmandu57]

16. At this point in time

I believe we as a country are in the deepest low we can get, we can't descend any deeper. So, that gives me hope, hope that there is a new birth of freedom in the wings.

After this bunch of incompetents are tarred and feathered, there is going to be a new age, I hope I see it in.

[Solomon]

17. Sorry to say this Q, but

Bush can do any fucking thing he wants to do as long as he doesn't get his dick sucked in the white house. He could nuke France and all the asssholes here in this country wouldn't give it a second thought.

[Bandit]

20. I think he could even do that and say it was Clinton's fault and all would

be forgiven. There is no rational for these excuses and lies but they continue. Rush is a prime example. If you would have asked any right-winger a few days before Rush got caught what they would think of someone using the quantities of blackmarket drugs that Rush alegedly was using I'm sure we would of heard Life imprisonment or worse. Bush could get his knob polished and everyone would say it makes him a better person. Remember Up is Down in this new age we live in.

[OldSoldier]

18. These are the same people

* who say "the wall of separation between church and state" doesn't exist because those words are not in the Constitution. Jefferson wrote to a group of ministers that the First Amendment was designed to "erect a wall of separation between church and state." But because those exact words are not in the Constitution, they have the absolute right to put up 5200-pound Ten Commandments golden calves in the Alabama Supreme Court building.

* who say there is no right to privacy inherent in the Constitution because, obviously, "the right to be secure in your papers and personal effects" doesn't mean "privacy."

* that Bush never, ever tied Saddam Hussein to 9/11, even though every speech he gave since 9/12 tied the two together.

There was no imminent threat, except for the imminent threat that someone might notice Bush was sitting on his ass in Florida reading a Goat Book to Second Graders while airplanes were flying into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon if there was no new war to distract the sheeple.

[Q]

19. Indeed...we're being inundated by revisionism...

...on a massive scale.

- But this is just a continuation of what's been going on for decades...part of the Republican Revolution. They've concluded that they can't push their far-right agenda with the consent of the people...so they've found ways to do it without consent.

- We've been had.

[opihimoimoi]

21. Remember AXIS OF EVIL???? He is a LOSER

A partial list started by another DUer:

Bush has lost:

supposrt from France/Germany/UN

Bin Laden, etc

WMD

Yellow Cake

Saddam

the LEAKER

the strings to the Nations PURSE

his COURAGE, took 15 hours on 9/11 for him to find it

his Wisdom, nearly 7465856960798 days ago, never found, never seen again

His fave coke spoon

His Mind, been babbling too much lately.

Come, we go Home Depot, buy a Mind Detector

[Liberal_Andy]

22. Google;"imminent threat cincinnati bush speech"=3120 hits

He never said "imminent threat". He said some form of the word "threat" at least 14 times. He said "urgent" at least 3 times. He said "grave threat". He said "the threat from Iraq stands alone." The thrust of the speech was that Saddam was an imminent threat and it was reported as such in the Washington Post, CNN, Radio Free Europe, etc., etc.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html

http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2002/10/08102002135121.asp

So I guess it depends on the meanings of "grave", "urgent", and "threat".

[rustydog]

23. People...in the SOTU Address Bush* said

Saddam posed an imminent threat to the United States of America.
It doesn't matter what his apologists claim now, he did say the "imminent" word.
There WAS a "Mission Accomplished" banner (not a sign held up by a sailor) prominently displayed above Bush and his bulging crotch.
Major combat operations over and Mission Accomplished just about says: War is over. Someone needs to ask:
Please Mr. Heil Hannity, what does the two mean in that context?

[Liberal_Andy]

In the SOTU speech, he said;...

"Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent." (Close, but no cigar.)

He also said, "America will not accept a serious and mounting threat to our country, and our friends and our allies."

And, "A future lived at the mercy of terrible threats is no peace at all."

It all depends of the definitions of "serious", "mounting" and "terrible"!

Weasel Word Alert!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html

[Bushknew]

24. Even if Saddam had WMD, he doesnÕt have the missiles

to deliver them to the US.

Imminent my Ass.