Dean's obscene retort to Gephardt shown on The Daily Show

[carolinayellowdog]

Hey,

A friend of mine with cable taped a week of TDS and brought it when he visited this weekend. One clip they played over and over showed Dean in a debate reacting to Gephardt criticizing his record by saying "Get f***ed"-- no sound but lipreading was very easy. He wasn't muttering to himself but being very explicit. I searched the archives to see if this had been mentioned at DU, as I don't remember seeing any reference to it.

Have preferred Dean heretofore but this shows a lack of judgment and self-control that I find bothersome. To do this in front of a camera gives me pause. Did anyone else see it, and what do you make of it if so?

CYD

[dave29]

1. Dean said

"that's false"

[cindyw]

Right

He said "that's false".

[HFishbine]

73. "That's false"

...

[Woodstock]

90. I've heard him say that a lot - "that's false"

It's one of his expressions.

[ShaneGR]

54. Correct, he said that's false.... is there a link to the video... watch it

Seriously, I'm not even a Dean guy. But he clearly said that's false. Seriously, do you really think Dean will make a point of letting the audience see him saying 'get fucked'?????

I don't think so.

[IndianaGreen]

2. Dean said "Pop tart"

Lip reading is more of an art than a science.

[AWD]

9. No, no...

....he said "Chocolate Frosted Pop-Tarts", which looks an awful lot like "get f--ked" when you watch it over and over again.

Frankly, the Iowa chapter of Strawberry Toaster Streudel Lovers are holding a boycott as a result of his flip-flopping on flavored breakfast pastries.

[maha]

24. Oh, c'mon!

He clearly said "get forked," referring possibly to eating pastries with a utensil.

[HFishbine]

74. I think he said

"Dennis farted."

[iverglas]

83. of course, what he said was

"Fuddle duddle".

He was quoting wise old Canadian philosopher Pierre Trudeau, who swore (heh) he said exactly that in the House of Commons back in 1971.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/indepth/trudeau/inhisownwords.html

You can even listen to the contemporary CBC radio report, with the opposition's indignation at his alleged mouthing of two words, the first starting with "f" and the second starting with "o" (their formulation, not mine!), and Trudeau's classically bemused/dismissive response:

http://media.cbc.ca:8080/ramgen/radio/programs/thismorning/audio/tm_fuddle000928.rm

Heavens. If your leaders keep on like this, next thing you know they're going to be saying "The state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation"!

;)

.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

88. No, no! What he really said was "Gep-hardt!!", as in...

..."Gep-hardt! You ignorant slut!"

For those of you not old enough to remember, "You ignorant slut" is a line made famous by Saturday Night Live.

Dean was merely proving that his memory of important items from the past is much better than that of his pretzel-stuffing, alcohol-soaked, coke-ravaged potential opponent, Mr. Bunnypants.

Of course, even the average houseplant could claim to have a better memory than Mr. Dodge-and-Weave.

[Hawkeye-X]

21. Show me a link of a clip of that.

As a deaf guy, I mastered the art of lipreading.

I'll tell you what he really said.

(I'll even put aside my Dean bias)

Hawkeye-X

[janekat]

31. Saw it the other night and might actually have a clip of it -

Not being much of a lip reader - I couldn't tell WHAT he said. Stewart did make an issue of it as if Dean swore.

[IndianaGreen]

33. Dean said it in Esperanto

Can you lip read Esperanto?

[AWD]

3. Come on....

No way was that "get f--ked", no way, no how.

I've heard people say he mouthed "wrong" or "false".

Dean bashing has actully turned into trying to make people believe they see something different...even when it's on tape.

[hobbes159]

4. I agree, he wasn't swearing

"That's false" -- was reported that way by the media the following day as well. No one suggested that he was swearing until Stewart did.

(on edit, added link:)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-3194007,00.html

``You've been saying for many months that you're the head of the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party,'' Gephardt said. ``I think you're just winging it.''

Dean grew visibly angry, mouthing, ``That's false,'' while Gephardt spoke.

Try a google news search for something like "dean debate that's false" and you'll get plenty of hits

[SweetZombieJesus]

5. He said "false"

You're nuts if you really think he said "get fucked".

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

6. He said "That's false"

And he really, really emphasized the word "false". I thought he said "That's fucked" at first, but it weren't so.

I think I would actually like him more if he HAD said "get fucked." Since only the political junkies like us are really paying attention at this point it would be fun if the candidates would let it all hang out a little more.

[ShimokitaJer]

7. Maybe lipreading isn't as easy as you think it is.

I was pretty sure Dean was mouthing "That's false" and he was mouthing it deliberately for the cameras. Jon Stewart made the joke that he told Gepharrdt to "get f*cked," but that's all it was.

Despite the widespread exaggerations about Dean's hot temper, do you really think Dean would deliberately mouth profanity to the camera during a debate?

[Cha]

16. This is a very good article on Dean's "temper"..

http://reese.king-online.com/Reese_20031008/index.php

"An honest man with sincere convictions will get angry when he hears lies. Some of our greatest presidents had ferocious tempers. George Washington, Andy Jackson and Harry Truman are three examples.

You don't see other candidates getting angry because they are all phonies. Their so-called convictions are just campaign positions manufactured by their staffs. They don't really believe in anything except getting elected, so they really don't care what is said. They are like trial lawyers. They are interested only in scoring points and winning. There's nothing personal, and the truth simply doesn't matter."

[JohnKleeb]

I dont mind tempers at all, I admire Truman

In fact I did those fuckers as my name for the GOP in Harry's spirit but I disagree with the latter paragraph, I think its absurd to call Kucinich a phony, and the truth is what he wants us to find. The truth matters damned well to Kucinich. I dont care about temper at all, Truman was one of my favorites. Sorry if I took that personal but I think its absurd to think that Dean is the only "real" candiate especially with people like Kucinich out there.

[Cha]

66. I know ...I think he is forgetting about Dennis Kucinich because

Dennis gets angry, too, and doesn't have any "fake" smiles.

[JohnKleeb]

69. I dunno

Just kind of annoying that he would act as if Kucinich is in just for politics then again how the media "treats" that is mostly ignoring Kucinich to death, who knows.

[ShimokitaJer]

45. Great post

Thanks, zidzi.

[elcondor]

8. As much as I

would like that to be true (because that'd be damn funny, IMHO) I was under the impression that he mouthed "that's false." I would hope that Dean wouldn't be THAT rattled by Gephardt that he would explicitly mouth that when there are cameras to record it all around him.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

49. I agree with you!

I'd love it if that's what he had really said. I have no idea, since I didn't see the show. But I think it's time we had a guy who can take a "get fucked" attitude straight to the Monkey Boy's throat, with Gephardt used strictly for practice, of course.

[cjbuchanan]

10. I did not see it,

but what does "Get f***ed" mean? Was he just saying "Gephardt"? They both look similar in lip movements.

Again, I did not see it, and I am not try to defend anything, just saying that "Get f***ed" does not make sense to me.

Just my thought, whatever it is worth.

[reachout]

11. Just so we're clear on this

Daily Show = News Satire

Comedy = The Art of Exaggeration

[Cha]

12. Correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to remember you as

very AntiDean...so saying "Have preferred Dean heretofore" is just as disingenous as this thread...

btw..I have already read that Dean mouthed the words.. "that's false"

You are trying to start something that is unstartable! Ha!

[carolinayellowdog]

17. You are hereby corrected

Although I rarely post to pro- or anti- anyone threads, I have always been a Dean supporter here and never said one word against him. Let that be an object lesson about inventing facts to fit a theory.

On edit: nor am I trying to start anything, startable or not. Seems like Jon Stewart started it and I fell for it.

[Cha]

39. Sorry if I misremembered that you were anti Dean...I will take

you at your word. But I'm not taking any "object lessons" from you.

I didn't have any "theories"...

[Loyal]

18. unstartable

is not a word. lol

[deutsey]

13. I think he said, "I buried Paul"

:evilgrin:

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

14. Only when you play the tape backwards, ha ha

[Wickerman]

15. I think he mouthed I am the Anti-Christ

oh, or was that Clark? Whatever. If he said it, no probs for me. It lets me know he is human.

It makes me recall David Robinson of the SA Spurs. One of the finest humans to ever play basketball. Contributes massive amounts of his salary to local charity and foundations that actually make a difference. Cut his own salary to keep Tim Duncan in San Antonio.

Anyway, when David had been in the league a few years the Spurs were playing on National TV on Easter Day. David, the Christian, got hacked and thought he was fouled. As they cut to commercial the foul was called against Robinson. He let out the loudest Fuck I have ever heard on TV. It increased my respect for him because it let you know he was human.

I think this could be good for Dean.

[WilliamPitt]

19. "I eat kittens"

[dsc]

20. I can tell you that lip reading

is very very difficult which is why so many deaf people learn sign language instead of lip reading. There are many constantants which look the same from a lip reader's perspective and thus one needs to know the context to effectively lip read. If you don't believe me ask any moderately competent speech therapist and he or she can tell you.

[Kolesar]

22. I just hope he does not keep sighing during his debates with Dumbyass

The press seems incapable of analyzing issues, but they pick up on important things like that! /sarcasm /despondency

[janekat]

34. Oh no! Does he really sigh?

n/t

[Kolesar]

36. I am making a bitter reference to the Gore vs. Bush debates

Gore flattened the Bush boy, but all the press reported was Gore's sighing. You would sigh too, if you had to sit through Bush's lies on live television.

[janekat]

38. Gore's sighs were ok in my book

I would've been muttering "what a f*cking moron" over and over again if I had to debate Dumbya. Remarkable amount of restraint on Gores' part IMHO...

[Darth_Ole]

94. The media covered Gore's sighs OVER and OVER again.

But what they failed to poke fun of was in the second debate when Dubya kept making this awful snorting noises with his nose. I even think the audience laughed after he did it during one of his sentences.

BTW, when I saw the Dean clip for the first time I knew he said "That's false". I thought that was pretty clear.

[Padraig18]

23. This is pathetic

If you plan to start shit, at least get a better cover than "Have preferred Dean heretofore but ....". What a crock! :eyes:

[carolinayellowdog]

28. What's pathetic is this reaction

Hey,

So you're calling me a liar. There is documentary evidence, if anyone cared to dig it up, that I've consistently been pro-Dean here for a year. Since this is the second false accusation of that nature in a few minutes, I am coming to a reluctant conclusion about the Dean supporters here at DU. Ready to invent facts to fit their theory, and ready to smear a fellow DUer for not being sufficiently pro-Dean.

Damn.

[Malikshah]

29. What is pathetic

is the fact that the Daily Show is being quoted -- an obvious comedy show -- "falling for it" doesn't cut it.

If the thread was meant as a joke, OK--

If it was a serious question--then the reaction is justified.

[Padraig18]

30. Yes! n/t

[carolinayellowdog]

41. It's never justified to make a false accusation with no evidence

It wasn't that TDS *said* what Dean said, but the way they played the clip over and over-- and the sly way Stewart kept saying "*What* did he say?" So I fell, not for hearsay, but for what I *thought* I was seeing (which Stewart obviously knew people would think they were seeing.) Zidzi and Padraig quite wrongly accused me of insincerity. Now you are saying I deserve to be raked over the coals, not for being an anti-Dean stealth poster, but for being dumb enough to be fooled-- and he's agreeing! That seems like damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Well, damn, damn, this is giving me a taste of the GD nastiness I keep reading about.

[Cha]

46. I wasn't sure I remembered or not and said so and then

apologized so please quit whining about it.

[Malikshah]

58. GD Nastiness? Reading about??/

Hmmmm.

This ain't nastiness--it's calling a spade a spade. I don't recall using profanity in my original post.

"reading about" Hmmm-- Is DU so widely discussed that one can read about it etc. Just a guess--but I don't think GD nastiness is something that can be read about. GD nastiness must be observed and experienced.

It's also something that one has to study to see why it comes about.

General rule-- starting a thread with a flamebait title will result in "gd nastiness." Crying foul later is disingenous. It's an obvious result.

[MODemocrat]

77. What's up with Jon Stewart anyway?

He's a comic to be sure, but sometimes he picks certain people to pieces, and it really bugs me. He does the "news" so cleverly at times, it almost seems to be true. :silly:

[Cocoa]

35. just admit you got it wrong

it happens to everyone.

A lot of people here saw that debate, and that clip was shown all over the place. We all saw it. He said "false."

[carolinayellowdog]

42. OF COURSE I GOT IT WRONG

which doesn't justify all the accusations of insincerity

[Cha]

47. "you got it wrong" but did you apologize for it?

[carolinayellowdog]

50. Apology

Hey Zidzi,

I apologize. Wrong to have been fooled by a comedy clip, wrong to have asked about it here. Wrong to expect anyone to remember my pro-Dean posting history or cut any slack; wrong to have complained when people were rude.

CYD

[Cha]

60. Apology accepted ..and I think ...

Malikshah said it best, though, when ..."General rule-- starting a thread with a flamebait title will result in "gd nastiness." Crying foul later is disingenous. It's an obvious result."

And I apologize again for mixing you up with another "yellow dog" who was "anti/dean"! There are a lot of members of DU and a lot of posts so it's not always easy to remember things you should! :-(

[DemBones DemBones]

78. Hey, CYD, I can see how Jon Stewart led you to think Dean was

saying "Get fucked" -- it's logical to think "Why would Stewart make a big deal over "That's false"? People have been rude to you and assumed the worst about your motives. I don't know why people can't defend Dean without attacking a fellow DUer. It's not so difficult to say, "No, that's incorrect, and here's why. . ." or "I think you're mistaken on this because. . . " It's a lot more productive than just slamming someone.

[dsc]

82. Just how much patience are we supposed to have?

In just the last few days we had Dean accused of being:

Racist against Hispanics Despite a transcript which clearly showed he hadn't done what the poster dishonestly claimed he had.

Racist against blacks for not reflexively condemning a plan that was unamimously agreed to by Michigan Democratic central committee which is cochaired by a black man. This 'evil' plan permitted mail and online voting in the upcoming caucus. FTR I do disagree with internet voting on security issues but to call it racist when combined with mail voting is dishonest.

Profane for a weeks old debate performance that one would have to believe only John Stewart was smart enough to get. Frankly, just running and posting any old thing you see on TV without putting any thought into the plausibility of it is getting to be an awfully old tactic of the anti Dean brigade.

[janekat]

68. For crissakes guys.... quit being so sensitive

It's not like this is some earth-shattering matter. I didn't take the original post as being some big slam. The guy just brought it up something he saw on the Daily Show. Even if Dean did say it (which I doubt) who could they really prove it - the whole thing seems kinda funny to me...

[killbotfactory]

25. He was saying "olive juice"

[Hawkeye-X]

26. You don't KNOW how many people tease me with this

when I'm lipreading.

Go to a mirror and say "olive juice" REPEATEDLY. Don't even voice it.

Hawkeye-X

[Hawkeye-X]

27. Double post

Dupe :shrug:

[Speck Tater]

44. At the time I was positive he was saying "ten frogs", but

after carefull analysis I can see it really was "sad fawns," perhaps in reference to the childhood memory of watching Bambie.

[Eloriel]

32. I saw that during the debate

It's was very clearly a very well-pronounced "That's false."

It's such a shame Dean has so few faults and sins that people have to make things up.

Eloriel

[DemBones DemBones]

71. Au contraire, Dean has plenty of faults, but you have to have your

eyes, ears, and mind open to perceive them.

He's not the AntiChrist but he's not the Second Coming of Christ, either.

[Jacobin]

37. I'd like to tell Gephardt to get fucked

for voting for the invasion of Iraq.

If Dean DIDN"T say it, i'm pissed

[Cha]

40. Me, too!

[ibegurpard]

43. It wouldn't be smart

but if he ever DID say something like that, I would bow down on my knees and swear my undying loyalty to him forever.

[ozone_man]

52. Me too.

*

[fla nocount]

59. He might want to keep it down now, but if elected President,

I would expect him to say it ten times a day. He could clean up the "Hill" in 90 days with those two words. Maybe he should hire a staff to say it for him, a guy can only be in so many places at one time after all.

If he did say it, especially to Lieberman's wussy brother, then he has my vote. "Lack of restraint?" Good! There's eight other candidates
who are restrained for those who don't have the strength of their convictions to vote for.

Sorry about the syntax.......dinner's on, then a meeting.

[maggrwaggr]

48. Yeah, like he'd mouth something like that with cameras pointing at him

c'mon. He said "that's false". I saw the same clip and it's obvious.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

51. I have become outraged now.

I am now changing my vote from Dean back to
Gepbhartdt. I did not read this thread except
for the first post because I'm sure it is full
of a lot of Deanos making excuses for Dean's swearing on
TV in front of gals and children. I didn't see
it myself thank God but I am sure Jon Stewart
hired a very good lipreader for something this
importandt. I have had my doubdts about Dean before
because he doesn't have any cuff links, but this
is the last straw. Go Gebpdhartdt.

[Jacobin]

53. An important tip

Before throwing your support behind a candidate, learn to spell his name.

:-)

[Logansquare]

55. Read his profile

You may appreciate his feedback more fully afterwards :-)

[Cha]

63. Thanks for the suggestion to read his "profile"...I got

it before, though, because I read the post twice and decided it had to be tongue in cheek. :-)

[A-Schwarzenegger]

56. Just for that...

Who are you voting for? I'm going to make sure
I never vote for whoever it is unless I was
going to vote for them in the first place.

[Cha]

61. You Are Funny!

[pruner]

81. cuff links? what the hell are you thinking…

cuff links require that shirts with French cuffs be worn.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

84. Good idea! He could sure snazz up his outfits

and French cuffs would be a good start.
Look at Senator Kerry's snappy apearel.
That's the way the President of the 21st Century
ought to look these days when he's going
all around the world doing things. Dean is
trying to come off as a tough guy with those
sleves rolled up struting around like a
tough guy or a plumber or somebody. For
all I know he could go home and put a apron
on and wash the dishes with his sleves like
that.... And now ... Lipreadinggate. Thanks
but no thanks. I'm for Kerry all the way
unless something happens.

[JustJoe]

85. Wasn't Truman a plumber?

[A-Schwarzenegger]

87. Harry dashed habers.

[Taxi Driver]

57. Are you kidding?$#@

That's awesome! What's bothersome about it?

[mitchum]

62. I was really high when that was broadcast and could still tell...

that he said "that's false" However, I still giggled at the possibility of "that's fucked"

[LalahLand]

64. What does "get fucked" mean, and who would actually say it

I've never heard the expression, and I can't picture anyone using it. Sounds like something a very high surfer dude in California would say.

[Octafish]

65. Napoleon Complex

For those with such pysches, the little man has to show he's not going to back down from the bigger man.

I'm short. I've got it.

[Cha]

67. As usual you have it wrong.

[DemBones DemBones]

75. What does he have "wrong"? He said he himself has Napoleon

complex -- surely he'd know. He explained Napoleon complex briefly, nothing "wrong" there. He asserted that Dean has Napoleon complex. You may say he's wrong about that but can you back it up? If anyone is seeing Dean as having a Napoleon complex (and some of us are), it's not good for his image.

To me, Dean and Dubya both come across as rich frat boy types who are especially combative because they're short, i.e. they have Napoleon complexes. I've seen worse Napoleon complexes but I do see that in both of them.

Just as Dubya smirks, Dean mouths comments while others are speaking and is otherwise visibly uninterested in what others say, which looks very bad on camera. I haven't mentioned it before but he keeps doing it. I was surprised he hadn't unlearned these bad habits while he was governor.

Dean also has a pursed-mouth expression that makes him look like a pissed-off schoolmarm. I keep trying to be fair to Dean, in case he's actually the Dem nominee, but his smugness turns me off a lot.

[Hep]

91. Help me out

complex -- surely he'd know. He explained Napoleon complex briefly, nothing "wrong" there. He asserted that Dean has Napoleon complex. You may say he's wrong about that but can you back it up? If anyone is seeing Dean as having a Napoleon complex (and some of us are), it's not good for his image.

The only thing I want to ask, and this is not to be a jerk, is, why does it have to be proven WRONG? Can you explain to me the behavior that you've seen that leads you to this consclusion?

Is it just that he's short and acts tough?

[FarLeftRage]

70. I saw the original clip and I can lip-read

Dean said "That's false."
To Gephardt's so-called "fact".

[VOX]

72. Even though he didn't, he should have!

Just my opinion. :-)

:dem:

[quaker bill]

76. Actually I rather like it.

Getting f**ked that is.

Perhaps he was wishing Gep well???

I agree, Stewart's bit was funny, but the lip read was rather a stretch.

[Justice]

79. What is Funny is Reading Dean Supporters Turning on ThemSelves

No, It is not funny - it makes me crazy to read intelligent people behaving badly.

You guys better taka a second read of this post -- some of you turned on the original poster without any proof - just on - hey, you posted something negative about Dean -- yeh, you are that anti-Dean person - yeah.

Really sad. Your candidate is a good guy - believe in him and stop doing the circular firing squad thing.

[no name no slogan]

89. Back in line, you...

I see that you've started to form your OWN opinion outside of the bounds of acceptable beliefs. Time to GET BACK IN LINE with the party line, damn you.

Come here, I want you to meet somebody...

[Hep]

92. A nice goal

But considering the climate recently, it doesn't seem as though all of the guns are pointed at the center of the circle, you know?

I will say that I'm an avid Dean supporter, and I didn't jump into this thread with guns blazng. I'm kinda proud of myself for that, because I've done it in the past. But things are getting kinda dirty now, and a lot of people are on edge. We're just that used to having to defend our candidates.

[creativelcro]

80. that simply shows...

what you or your friend were thinking at the moment. You probably thought what you "saw" Dean say. Really. Ever listened to some of those wacky tapes from believers of Electronic Voice Phenomena (aka voices of the dead)?
Yeah, she said "Mom I love you". cannot you hear it ?!
-C

[Hep]

86. well

I don't know what he said, but I think Gephardt should Get Fucked.

He's lower than low. If I thought he had a chance, I would consider not voting for him. That makes me guilty of what I consider to be a major sin.

[Padraig18]

93. Why is this thread even active?

It's been proven he didn't say it. Neeeeeexxxxxt!