Rate these political cartoons (Warning: May induce rage)

[WilliamPitt]

Poll question: Rate these political cartoons (Warning: May induce rage)

[kixot]

1. Distasteful.

That's all I can say about that.

[DK666]

2. Come on Will

Are ya trying to start something ;)

[WilliamPitt]

4. Me?

[DK666]

6. No

The other WilliamPitt.... ;)

[WilliamPitt]

8. Evil WilliamPitt?

He's not here right now. Watching baseball.

[ComerPerro]

3. Why on earth did you post these?

And, in your poll, why didn't you have "Disturbing" listed as an option?

[WilliamPitt]

5. I thought the first option covered "Disturbing" pretty much implicitly

I have my reasons for posting them. Keep reading; I'm sure it will come out in the wash.

[Stephanie]

7. Hate speech

The second one is pure hate speech. Is that from the KKK Weekly?

[WilliamPitt]

9. nope

http://www.coxandforkum.com/

[MissMarple]

10. Who are those guys? It was too scary , it was like Nazis

lived there.

Oops, I went back in, what a job those guys have.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Wow

You do dig them he?

By the way I am sure the boys on the other side are just
slobering over them...

Which reminds me, some of the latest ammo
coming in the forms of books is great, read Conason's book.

[Stephanie]

13. Ayn Rand / Objectivism - say no more

Cox & Forkum is John Cox and Allen Forkum. Generally speaking, Forkum (that's me in the middle) writes the cartoons and Cox illustrates them. John and I have first met in art school 20 years ago. We started creating gag cartoons 13 years ago (sample below) and in August 2001 decided to try our hands at editorial cartoons.

Many of our editorial cartoons are inspired by Objectivism, which is the philosophy of Ayn Rand. In the introduction to our book, Black & White World, Robert W. Tracinski described the political perspective of his magazine, The Intellectual Activist, and in doing so summed up our perspective as well:

"TIA's outlook is not 'conservative'; we do not look backward and attempt to preserve traditional values for their own sake. TIA advocates basic principles -- reason, individualism, secularism, individual rights and capitalism -- that are still radical, unorthodox and 'politically incorrect' today. Those principles obviously put us at odds with the subjectivism and socialism of the left; but they also put us at odds with the religious and pragmatist tendencies of the right."

[Friar]

29. omg!

I couldn't even finish reading that claptrap. How do you find this nonsense and why do you even try?

[Pale Blue Dot]

12. See, this is why I read the "Ask the Administrators" forum

It's so that I can understand GD! :-)

[Wonk]

15. Link here for those who may not know how to find it otherwise...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=120&topic_id=5364

[Violet_Crumble]

25. Damn...

That thread was locked without my questions being answered...

Violet...

[goobergunch]

23. Yep

ATA is always the first forum I check when logging on to DU.

:evilgrin:

[Booger]

14. Middle America

Tends to believe the first one.
People may not agree with what is going on in this MisAdministration.
But, the mini-van, beige, suburban crowd might just be getting overwhelemd with the constant barrage of "negative" news.

I live in those 'burbs, and believe me, people like it non-abrasive and easy to understand.


On a side note: Will, I'm trying to get it arranged to see the ol' Rolling Thunder this weekend in KC.

[WilliamPitt]

17. I had to cancel KC

Sorry, man. Personal business. Not gonna be there. :(

[Booger]

19. DAMN!

That was the main reason I was looking at going.

I mean, I like Hightower o.k. enough......

[regnaD kciN]

16. I'll see your "right-wing conservative ideology/bigotry"...

...and raise you one "racism." The portrayal of the little "Islamist" is remeniscent of Dr. Seuss's incredibly offensive squinty, buck-toothed caricatures of Japanese-Americans during WWII, cartoons which had much to do with raising public sentiment in favor of the internment camps.

:puke:

[Resistance]

22. also

there is the reference to "Allah" tacked on to the phrase "Bring 'em on".

Let's be honest: if there were Jewish references in this cartoon (as opposed to Moslem), the entire site would be labeled 'Hate Site' and disallowed for use as a source here at DU. Instead, the website Cox & Forkum is being used with a startling level of frequency down in the I/P basement.

We Democrats need to wake up and face the right-wing conservative bigotry amongst our own.

[SoCalDem]

18. For cartoons to be effective ,they must be at least ironic

or funny..

neither of these is in the least funny.. Daschle is a diminutive man, and the "kennedy is fat" is well..ho-hum..self-evident..

the second one is tasteless, amateurish and not funny in the least..
remnds me of a teenager doodling instead of listening to teacher :)

[Mari333]

20. From the Boston College research dept on Millenialism studies

www.mille.org
http://www.publiceye.org/Apocalyptic/Dances_with_Devils_TOC.htm

Demonization of peoples is a sure sign of black and white thinking by fascist millenial fanatics. That cartoon is a perfect example of that kind of mindset.
....................................................................

Demonization

"Demonization often begins with marginalization, the process in which targeted individuals or groups are placed outside the circle of wholesome mainstream society through political propaganda and age-old prejudice. The next step is objectification or dehumanization, the process of negatively labeling a person or group of people so they become perceived more as objects than as real people. Dehumanization often is associated with the belief that a particular group of people are inferior or threatening. The final step is demonization; the person or group is seen as totally malevolent, sinful, and evil. Needless to say, it is easier to rationalize stereotyping, prejudice, discrimination, and even violence against those who are dehumanized or demonized.

Demonization fuels dualism--a form of binary thinking that divides the world into good versus evil with no middle ground tolerated. Dualism allows no acknowledgment of complexity, nuance, or ambiguity in debate, and promotes hostility toward those who suggest coexistence, toleration, pragmatism, compromise, or mediation. James Aho observes that our notions of the enemy "in our everyday life world," is that the "enemy's presence in our midst is a pathology of the social organism serious enough to require the most far-reaching remedies: quarantine, political excision, or, to use a particularly revealing expression, liquidation and expulsion"

[xray s]

21. I imagine the second one will be popular on tee shirts ...

...at the Republican convention, worn by chicken hawk arm chair warriors who would soil their diapers if they ever had to really carry a weapon and spend one hour in Iraq, and corporate war profiteers who would never give up one cent of their tax cut to pay for their selected pResident's wet dreams of conquest and empire.

[Aidoneus]

24. rightwing ideology & 'other'--that page is quite familiar

It's not really "conservative", but very rightwing/"capitalism uber alles" type, big fans of Daniel Pipes/Little Green Footballs/other disgustingly racist pages/etc.

We get that stuff somewhat regularly posted down in I/P, one guy particularly likes that page and gets huffy when called on it.

[anti_shrub]

30. If its the person I'm thinking of

(ie the one who defended that site in the Ask the Admins forum) I wonder how that guy's managed to last so long without getting tombstoned. I don't venture to I/P as often as other forums, but when I do, that guy's usually spouting RW talking points.

[MrPrax]

26. R these 'toons that ran

in the Washington Post recently and that displaying them here is some subtle criticism of the Post not running Boondocks comic

[Cat Atomic]

27. Here's one I saved from the day the war "ended".

Rove decided it was over, but it obviously wasn't. This premature, sanctimonious shit was everywhere that day, as I recall. Not so much of it now.

[Friar]

28. they don't even make sense, really

It seems like all right wing political cartoons are just out of touch. I don't mind when the left, or what's considered left, is taken to task with humor, but it just never seems to happen very much.

[Robin Hood]

31. Well, they have brought them on, haven't they?

That graphic looks to be totally stupid, considering the facts.

[iangb]

32. Doncha just hate it when.....

.......a cartoonist views are at odds with yours?

And I'm sure the RW'ers reckon they're a hoot.......I don't.

[DuctapeFatwa]

33. The 2nd one is representative of the views of most US voters, Repub & Dem

The first one less so.