BBV Activists: Thoughts on strategy, slogans, images

[nostamj]

Been working on Bev's challenge to develop some good sound bites, slogans, memes, whatever.

Some thoughts:

My approach has been to think of the broadest, non-partisan, message. While we here at DU have (and should have) partisan interests in the broader BBV story, as a grass-roots, multi-faceted, activist movement should enbrace all Americans concerned about the validity of their votes.

I'm posting three concepts in the thread. They should NOT be considered as final in terms of design. They are sketches only.



In a way, I'm taking a page from the ?W concept by trying to come up with a strategy that will intitate individual dialog. As with ?W, if a contact reveals a fellow Dem, then dialog regarding more partisan aspects of BBV can follow. But with a simple, non-political baseline, I think we'd have the best chance of reaching voters as opposed to republicans or democrats, liberals or conservatives.



If I'm off-point, I'm sure someone will let me know.

I'm still struggling with condensing the "paper ballot" and "verified" concepts simply. "No Paper? No Proof." Is the best I've got so far. (Also, I would assume that if these are used in bumperstickers, pins, whatever, that they would include the URL info... which I didn't have handy when I whipped up these samples.

[nostamj]

1. only I could post a BBV thread

that sunk THAT fast....... (gonna give me a complex)

[Spazito]

2. LOL!

Your work is great!

[JohnGideon]

3. Nice Work!!!!

I like them all. If it gets people to ask questions it is a good start.

I totally agree about the need to stay away from the 'conspiracy theory' stuff until you know which way the wind blows. I am a constant poster on MoveOn and I try to keep the HR2239 and Voting comments pointed toward bi-partisanship. There are way too many repugs who post on there. We have to get through to everyone.

[cosmicdot]

4. I voted but did it count?

if there's a partisan effort to local Democratic officeholders


You're a Democrat.
Will you be re-elected with (Diebold) in control and no paper trail?.

[nostamj]

7. "trail"

I'm pretty sure that we don't want the word "trail" associated with this.

"paper ballot" not "paper trail" (because BBV *can* produce a printout... but can that be trusted? no.

[phoebe]

5. I'm no expert but how about a drawing of an endless loop

like the life cycle of a flea/liver fluke where if some part of the life-cycle isn't interrupted then the infestation just becomes overwhelming) - showing the various stages/ties of electronic voting (don't make it complicated obviously) and then compare that to a pen and paper??

another idea - costs of a voting machine + contracts + fundraising etc. vs. pen and paper (in pictorial form)

my 2 cents ..

[hang a left]

6. I like the idea. What about t-shirts and sweatshirts

Also with a website that people can go to printed as well, in case they are afraid to come up to you for one reason or another

[nostamj]

9. of course...

once designs are approved. there are lots of ways to make them available. there's at least one t-shirt manufacturer on DU (did the beautiful ianbruce ?!! shirts for ?W)

and bpilgrim has resources for bumper stickers, etc.

[Spazito]

8. Once concept I have been thinking about is...

a graphic showing an e-voting machine under one of those "sleight of hand" shells and the statement "Even the conman has to show where the "pea" goes! Something like that anyway.

[nostamj]

10. your idea (and phoebe's)

would work for an advertisement or hand-out.

I'm working on the SIMPLEST concept and SIMPLEST execution.

for me, that means PLAIN TEXT.

the BBV story does not lend itself (IMHO) to a single graphic image

[Kelvin Mace]

11. How about

"Will Microsoft Windows do to your vote what it did to your computer?"

or you can use one of my quotes from the book:

Vote.exe has caused a general protection fault in America.com. All work since 1776 may have been lost. Please close your republic and try to reboot.

David.

[nostamj]

12. this is too narrowly focused for what I'm trying for...

i.e. not everyone has issues with Microsoft so the message wouldn't 'hit' with them.

the "Vote.exe" quote is GREAT!

I think it would be a very effective approach with online activism (email, sig lines, banners)

[dreissig]

14. Computerized Voting

The weakness of computerized voting is that there's no audit trail. You just have to trust the programmers! There's got to be a way to high profile that weakness without sounding like machines are unreliable.

[Andy_Stephenson]

152. Do not use "Audit Trail"

Voter Verified Paper Ballot

[ParanoidPat]

20. David that's great but it needs a minor technical 'tweak'......

....it should read Vote.dll has caused a general protection fault in America.exe......:evilgrin: :thumbsup:

[Kelvin Mace]

44. *snort*

Agreed, agreed.

[BevHarris]

52. Love it!

Now that I know what a .dll and an .exe are

[ElsewheresDaughter]

13. no paper no proof is a good one...lockbox voting

[Spazito]

15. How about something using the letters BBV....

like Bad Bargain Voting or BBV=Blind Faith Vote?

[BevHarris]

16. Nostamj -- folks, do we have talent here or what?

This is just so exciting.

I like them all -- as you can see, nostamj is one of the masters of packing a lot into a few words.

I also love this: No Paper, No Proof -- but it only works when there is a lead-in that tells people we're talking about voting.

This is certainly getting there. Keep contributing your ideas!

Bev Harris
http://www.blackboxvoting.com

[nostamj]

18. <blush> thanks and...

this is just tossing some baseline concepts out there.

for example, per Bev's comment:

think your vote counts?
NO PAPER, NO PROOF.

plenty of room to refine/expand.

will try to come up with a few more.

[phoebe]

21. guess I'm better at pictures..

a ballot superimposed on the Constitution vs. a ballot going into shredder disguised as an EVM?

map of US going down the drain labelled EVM

paper or plastic? paper ballot vs. "smart card"

VOTE = Verification Or Tampering Electronically

trying for the "one liner" - brain freeze occurring..

[leftchick]

26. I Love It!

It is just perfect and it would be great on a t-shirt front. On the back, how about David's sig line. Well he doesn't have it in this thread for reference. Hey David, could you show that sig line again? :)

[Kelvin Mace]

45. This one...

Diebold AccuVote Ingredients

Taxpayer money.................$5000
Security Flaws....................328
Critical Security Flaws.........26
CEO commitments to
deliver election to GOP........1
Tamper-proof Paper ballots...0
Tamper-friendly digital
ballots................................At least 32MB
Your actual vote..................None of your business.

[leftchick]

51. Perfect image!

Thanks David! Now who will make my shirt?

[Andy_Stephenson]

154. Change the last one to

Tamper-friendly digital
ballots................................At least 32MB
Your actual vote..................Priceless

[Kelvin Mace]

17. BTW, chapter 8 is up

I posted this just a few minutes back and it has sunk like a stone.<s>

David

[PATRICK]

19. when approaching the big names who won't come forward

and support this. The only alternative they leave is the VERY one they most wnat to criticizez: namely rocking the boat and discouraging voters.
So BBV reformers deserve time and an informed dialogue not a blow off and shoddy trust us and the experts generalization- or lies.

has anyone had a sitdown with someone who is sane and has an open mind and is not a bewildered optimist with rose colored glasses? We need more powerful spokespersons. Otherwise it will be Iraq all over again.

Unwitting dupes to get some vote reform(lied to and grossly misdirected as per GOP procedure) will barely able to tunr around AFTER the disaster. Only this time WE are Iraq and WE will be occupied even more than we are now.

Have there been adequate presentations to which members of Congress, the DNC, legal organizations, advocacy groups, etc. Holding a mirror to them and saying that is an impressive cheerleading loyalty for the Diebold sale but you may have been had? Depends on the individual and whether it is worth the effort.

I thought underneath the general big lie the Dems knew the score, but apparently they may be more fooled than anyone. Such a common con or PR maneouver. You'd think pro pols could smell that, but no, even our own people have bought the good old Diebold counterattack hook line and sinker at its most shallow depth.

Petitions and applications for absentee ballots spreading a grass roots revolt to make the expense of unverifiable machines a total waste.

[phiddle]

22. How about: "Do you trust...

...an electron with your vote?"
...a computer with your vote?"
...a programmer with your vote?"
...corporation with your vote?", alternatively,

"Did you vote for...(an electron, computer, programmer, corporation)?"

Or, "If you didn't see a ballot, you might not have voted."

Or (my favorite), "Paper proof...for your money AND your vote!"

[abcdan]

23. slogan

You thought chads were bad?

[nostamj]

28. here you go!

again, simplified.

[abcdan]

29. Nice improvement!

The hanging "s" is great!!! Adding the web address is also a great touch.

[BevHarris]

36. Isn't this great? And yes, Nostamj, the hanging "s" is just right

Really great stuff. This thread is not only bookmarked, but saved to my hard drive.

[nostamj]

37. the images are all in the "General" gallery

at www.questionW.com (for safekeeping--for now--and for linking, saving to your drives, etc.)

[Kelvin Mace]

47. Cool

I have been trying to come up with some linking banners/buttons for web sites.

That's a good one.

[Andy_Stephenson]

155. I want that

Bumper sticker

[BeachBuckeye]

24. Bev Harris will be our guest on "The Guy James Show"

This Saturday. Be sure and listen at www.theguyjamesshow.com

[nostamj]

25. think of a soda machine....

you slip in your $1

you press the button for ROOT BEER

a can of Vanilla Pepsi is delivered

you know your requested was not properly processed by the machine

so..........

you slip in your voting card

you press the button for Candidate Mr. Root Beer

a vote for Ms. Vanilla Pepsi is recorded

you go home and wait for the 'official' results

since you don't like or want Ms. Vanilla Pepsi you should demand to know what the machine is processing, right?

another illustrative scenerio. online shopping.

you go to your favorite online bookstore and purchase a copy of Al Franken's latest book and a volume of Elizabethan love sonnets.

your payment is confirmed, but you do not receive an order confirmation or receipt.

next week, a shipment (with packing list) arrives containing 10 copies of Ann Coulter's TREASON and a volume of Elizabethan love sonnets.

you complain that you never ordered 10 copies of Ann Coulter's TREASON... but you have no receipt to prove it.

[abcdan]

27. slogan

Paper ballot or vapor ballot?

[BevHarris]

38. LOL! Or, Paper Ballots, NOT "Vapor" Ballots!

Great stuff!

[abcdan]

48. That's better! (nt)

106. I like that one!

"Paper Ballots NOT Vapor Ballots!"

[JohnGideon]

30. I Always Start My Talks On This Issue With A Quote

Thomas Paine "The right of voting for representatives is the primary right by which all other rights are protected. To take away this right is to reduce a man to slavery........." This gets everyones attention right off the bat.

[nostamj]

31. great quote!

should be incorporated in print pieces, handouts/flyers, websites, etc.

[leftchick]

60. that is a very powerful quote!

thank you! Welcome to DU :toast:

[SoCalDem]

32. How bout this??

Porta potties give you paper


ATMs give you paper


Restaurants give you paper


Votes must not be important....NO PAPER HERE

[nostamj]

33. or, to condense

Port-Potties give you paper,
Diebold gives you shit.

<just kidding! couldn't resist!>

[ElsewheresDaughter]

40. i love it!

[TinfoilHatProgrammer]

164. haha

You wacky BBV people crack me up. That one was hilarious, I love it. :D :thumbsup:

JC

[bpilgrim]

34. Make YOUR Vote Count - Get it in Writing

:hi:

peace

[nostamj]

35. variation

[BevHarris]

39. You guys are blowing me away!

Now I have to keep saving this page.

[RedEagle]

42. Uh, too vague?:

You can't use technology to audit technology?

HAL was programmmed to lie,too.

You can't teach a computer ethics.

A vote- your government contract.
Get in in writing.

"See no evil"
Brought to you by blind faith voting.

The Devil loves Diebold

Paper is Democracy's seat belt

Stalin loved to count votes- in secret

Wonder why your vote doesn't seem to count?
See: www.blackboxvoting.com


(This is not my forte)

[BevHarris]

101. Not your forte? I was reading them aloud and the seatbelt one

had folks talking about it for the next several minutes.

Different styles for different uses -- these are great.

Also like the "see no evil" - brought to you by faith-based voting

[eridani]

156. Would you shop at a supermarket--

--if they didn't give you a printed receipt? Would you use an ATM that didn't give you a receipt? Why should you vote without one?

[dbt]

41. #35 is the one!

It's simple enough so that someone who's never even heard of this issue (and there will be millions of them)begins to get the message. And it doesn't hurt that #35 appeals to the herd instinct. (No, that's not a slap; it's a time-honored advertising principle!)

:bounce:
dbt

[nostamj]

43. thanks!

that's what I'm trying for... something direct and simple... and utterly non-partisan...

something that will LEAD people to the facts behind the slogans.

and something that activists can USE as a tool for sparking dialog and education.

if you won't be offended by *possible* editing/condensing... please send more slogan ideas and I'll see what I can come up with.

and remember........ images posted today are "sketches" not final, polished designs. (maybe we can even entice someone like ianbruce to add that professional graphic polish!)

[PeaceProgProsp]

46. How about "Will Every Vote be Counted?"

Which is a more direct allusion to the 2000 chant, "Count Every Vote"

[notadmblnd]

79. and you could add...

...and how will you know?

[SoCalDem]

49. The Florida "special"

[PeaceProgProsp]

50. You should also borrow the language of computer crashes

You know?

The problem with computer voting is that we all know that software has glitches, and can crash, and computers blue screen, and there are hackers, and your system file can get corrupted etc.

You need to work these themes.

Actually, "corrupted' would be a good work to work into the tag line because it has the double meaning -- system files and politicians can get corrupted.

"DON"T LET YOUR VOTE GET CORRUPTED. NO UNVERIFIED COMPUTER VOTING."

[nostamj]

57. ah........... how about:

Paper Ballots Never 'Crash'
But Computers....?
Verify YOUR Vote!
www.blackboxvoting.com

I'll put this into a more 'graphic' format if ya like it!

[abcdan]

66. Some images

I like the double meaning of the word "corrupted", good idea!

Here are couple of images playing off of that idea:

[nostamj]

67. nice work!

for the computer savvy you should remove the "X" button and make it "OK Only"........

;-)

[abcdan]

95. thanks!

Yeah, but the computer savvy will know not to trust the machines in the first place. ;)

[SoCalDem]

72. Oooooh.. I LOVE THOSE !!!!

:)


How about a BSOD vote warning :)

[abcdan]

96. thanks!

What's BSOD?

[ParanoidPat]

105. Blue Screen of Death!

A Microsoft feature. If you use Windows like Diebold does, you have no doubt seen warnings on a blue screen that say things like,

WARNING!

Vote.dll has caused a 'General Protection Fault' in America.exe. All work since 1776 may be lost! Please close your Republic and try rebooting your country.

:kick:

[abcdan]

111. doh!

Sure, I know the blue screen of death. I knew not knowing the acronym would turn out to be embarassing - due to the fact that I'm a software developer. :)

[AP]

128. Here's a BSOD idea:

This is the Blue Screen of Death (show the BSOD)

This is your vote on the Blue Screen of Death (show nothing at all)

OK, that's not so good.

How 'bout this:

Friends don't let Friends vote on Computers without (voter verified paper trails, or whatever the phrase is)

[AP]

73. Those two made me laugh out loud. You should stylize them a little...

...you have to make the typeface much bigger. Exaggerate everything & make sure you can read it from a distance.

[abcdan]

99. thanks!

I'll play around with your ideas, but I think part of their effectiveness is looking like a real error message.

[ParanoidPat]

145. Can you turn that 'error' message into a downloadable.....

.....screen saver? :evilgrin: I'm sure a lot of people would download it!

[Timbuk3]

176. Re: "some images"

Those are perfect for websites and people who get most of their news online. Do you mind if I "borrow" them for my own site (timbuk3.com)?

[abcdan]

178. Feel free

:)

[Timbuk3]

182. Thank You!!!

I've already got them on the site.

As a courtesy, here are links to the pages where I used them.

Main page: http://www.timbuk3.com/

And on the page with Bev's books: http://www.timbuk3.com/evote.htm

I have always had the same policy toward using someone else's original work. It is THEIR work and I'm using it with THEIR permission. If you ever change your mind, or don't like the way I made use of it, please let me know and I'll remove it ASAP.

BTW, I have also compiled an Excel worksheet with the complete California voting machine results, sorted by county, candidate, and voting machine type. I've been trying to get a co-worker, who is also a statistician, to help me analyze the data but he's been on vactation. If anyone wants to take a look at it, and better yet if any statisticians out there want the data in a form that will make analysis easier, it's at this link: http://www.timbuk3.com/vote.xls.

I'm just trying to do my part.

Tim

[SoCalDem]

183. Love your site.. What a fun place

:)

[Timbuk3]

184. Thank YOU, too...

I always like to credit Atman, who just started posting here, too. He did the banner, and the "curtains for justice" logo. (Click on that one. Interesting story, there.) He really helped make the thing easier on the eyes. (His site should be easy to find online with a search for rmcgcreative and/or not banned yet. Or just go to my "merchandise" or "links" pages. His page is much nicer than mine. ;-> )

BTW, I really didn't mean to plug these sites (I'm lying, or should I say "bushing", about that.) But, I really do want people to know that they're safe contributing content to the site. I won't misuse it, and I will remove it asap on their request. That's why I posted the links.

BTW, there's an email link on the menu if anyone wants a "permanent" home for their thoughts, opinions, or just has a point they'd like to make.

I'll try to avoid any more of this "selfish" promotion from now on.

[shirlden]

188. Thanks Timbuk

for the spreadsheet. I downloaded and though I am only an accountant, I do enjoy playing with numbers. Is that a double entendre?

:kick:

[Timbuk3]

189. You're welcome

As I said earlier, I work for a company that has a statistician on site. He was on vacation M-W of this week, and has been very busy since he got back. I've already spoken to him, and we're going to look at the numbers when we both have time.

I trust this guy, but we've never discussed politics. I have no intention of "giving away" where I stand on the issue. I'm just going to say, "There are those who think that..."

I expect to get an unbiased opinion from a real statistician about whether or not there is anything unusual about the vote count in the California recall election.

Don't misunderstand what I'm looking at, btw. I've never doubted that Davis was unpopular, or that name-recognition meant more than qualifications in the short time the replacements had to campaign. (I'll never forget that several stations had "arnie marathons" the weekend he announced, either, but that's another issue.)

Davis was recalled, and Arnie won, fair and square. Imagine that: A Democrat with an (R) after his name won an election in California. (Pro choice, anti-gun, pro-environment, pro-gay rights, and he claims to be a REPUBLICAN???)

I'm wondering if this wasn't a "test run" for siphoning votes from popular candidates to less popular candidates (a la Pat Buchannon in West Palm Beach.) It was an IDEAL situation to try out the system (of cheating) and looking for bugs with so many candidates, and no real reason to question the results. If I wanted to cheat on the 2004 elections it's EXACTLY the way I'd "practice" for it.

But, as it stands right now, I have no proof that anything unusual happened in the CA recall election, and I'm making no claim. I'll wait until an expert examines the data, and let ya'all know.

But, in the meantime, if there's a bona fide statistician out there who can run the numbers and make a rational case for, OR against, vote tampering with mystery machines, I'd like to hear it. The link to the data is in a prior post (and I promised to stop, or at least slow the shameless self-promotion of my non-profit web site.) If you dl the data, please take a look at the graph near cell G85, which is a plot of the percent of local vote, by candidate. The huge spikes for the touch screen data *could* be explained by the low number of counties (with large populations) in that data set. Or, it could be something more sinister. I'm not qualified to say, but I know someone who is...

[ConsAreLiars]

53. Maybe something like

Should The Way You Vote Be Kept Secret
FROM YOU?

[BevHarris]

54. Or, shorter

Should your vote be kept secret

From You?

[nostamj]

55. one more!

and I'll keep checking for ideas and try to tweak them into a 'suggested' graphic/text design.

(this is fun!)

[SoCalDem]

56. emphasize opinion instead of "not an"

:)

[BevHarris]

58. Woh! You've got that one down to perfection

love the "mystery vote machine" -- LOL!

[Timbuk3]

177. Mystery Vote Machine

For some reason "Scooby Doo" comes to mind.

I don't know how to work it in, for sure. The Scooby Doo "Mystery Machine" van as a black box...

Just thought I'd throw it out there.

[nostamj]

59. i'll respectfully disagree for now

the 'shrinking' and italicizing of the un-verified vote option is intentional.

without verification, your "vote" is little more than a suggestion.

[ConsAreLiars]

61. Or "a FACT, not a FANTASY" (n/t)

[BevHarris]

62. I have to revisit this with more praise --

That is just hard-hitting and hilarious -- it makes unaudited voting look just DUMB!

I will be incorporating a bunch of these into the web sites, and we'll find ways to merchandise them -- jump in, any of you who want to produce and take orders! Need to get book is done this weekend, then we've got our black box activism planning sessions next week. We need to make sure and transmit these ideas into those planning sessions!

Nostamj, you've been an amazing leader with QuestionW -- sorry, I got eaten alive with breaking developments and couldn't help on that more, though we may revamp promo on it after book is out.

I'm hoping you'll be in on the planning next week?

Bev

Black Box Activists so far: 425
To sign up: send me a note -- [e-mail]
Two new chapters up: http://www.blackboxvoting.com

[nostamj]

64. "in on the planning next week?"

just keep me in the loop! the stuff on this thread, you KNOW that I can do. and as I've said, this is *baseline* stuff. foundation.

message: it's about YOUR vote. do you care? talk to me. go to this site.

everything else builds UP from here. but, imho, a broad, simply stated, foundation must be the start.

[BevHarris]

68. Any chance I can get some TIFF-format files of these

If folks can e-mail the material -- almost all of the stuff is great -- in a high res tiff format, this would be an ideal way to spice up the final chapter, which deals with specific activism.

This is just very, very appealing and fun, and also shows we mean business.

[e-mail] -- love the work here today, gang!

Bev

[SoCalDem]

71. I sent you a tiff file..(I think)

I hope I did it right :dunce:...let me know :)

[nostamj]

76. if SoCalDem's images didn't come through

let me know. I have all the original PSD (photoshop) files and can save them as TIFF easily!

[nostamj]

77. just sent TIF versions

of the six graphics already posted on this thread.

let me know if there are ANY problems with them!

[BevHarris]

81. Thanks - power went out, just catching up

Really appreciate it. Would also like to know screen names (or real names) to credit them. This thread was an absolute blast today!

Bev

[SoCalDem]

83. J. Higgins..

for mine:) if you use it:)

[BevHarris]

86. Absolutely. But, question, can the images work in grayscale

which is needed in the bound copy of the book?

Bev

[nostamj]

89. Bev,

the six TIFs I sent were in grayscale. let me know if you need different formatting for any of them.

of course you should use them! you can credit: jeff matson (www.jeffreymatson.com) if you need to.

it's not about 'credit' as far as i'm concerned.

[BevHarris]

93. Oh. And duh (I'm not in my normal office and the computer

that holds your emails is being used by someone else for the next few hours. Thanks a zillion million.

Bev

[ConsAreLiars]

90. Maybe change the sequence of images

ATM, Cash register, toilet, DRE

(reading left to right creates a "pleasant to unpleasant" scale)

[Andy_Stephenson]

157. I agree n/t

[abcdan]

92. Name

Dan Seidner

Thanks, Bev! :)

82. How about these two?

I need to graphic-ize these

#1
(To point out that you can't see your ballot, and it isn't defined in the law)

WHERE'S MY BALLOT?!?

#2
(About Internet voting)

Vote Where? Vote HOW?

[BevHarris]

87. Dan! Who'da thunk it? You're a sound byte man too?

I love both of those!

102. Soooooo talented

Internet Voting???

Vote WHEN? Vote WHERE? Vote HOW?

VOTE NO! VOTE NOW!


(It's a chant that will be heard outside a courtroom next summer???)

[rucky]

63. You Thought Chad Was Bad...

the touch-screen "solution" is worse than the problem.

others:

Voter-verified paper ballots.
because voting should not be a "touchy" subject.


But if you really want people to get pissed, just take some hooks from the other side...

Hack The Vote!

or

Your vote doesn't count.

[nostamj]

65. see post #28 for a chad/bad concept n/t

[goobergunch]

69. We have to mega-bug members of the House Administration Committee

If they approve it, it'll probably get passed.

http://www.house.gov/cha

[angka]

70. kick

and the wheels they are a turning (as they say)

[angka]

74. on the common theme

[angka]

75. oh and uh kick

[angka]

78. another

[BevHarris]

84. You crack me up -- these are too much

"Seizing power doesn't have to be messy"

Reminds me of possible reasons we keep exporting voting machines to Latin America. Hey Venezuela, have some of our voting machines. Brazil, c'mere c'mere here's a voting machine for ya!

Bev

[angka]

94. zot

[BevHarris]

98. Yikes -- very good, and may I trouble you for a gray scale tiff

Rather biting, really.

[angka]

103. please find

http://thinkpol.net/diebold5.tif
(.lzh compressed TIFF, 300dpi grey, 190k)

edit: .zip-tif seems to not like me today.

[angka]

125. and a goodnight pic

putting a couple of these fine contributed slogans to use:

[creativelcro]

124. But even Brazil had printers ..

attached to the Diebold machines! -C


"Brazil, c'mere c'mere here's a voting machine for ya!"

[BevHarris]

126. Trivia on Diebold Brazil machines -- a different thing altogether

their Brazil machines are from a company they acquired called Procomp.

Their USA machines are from a company they acquired called Global Election Systems.

Eric Roorda got stock in Diebold when they acquired Procomp, I believe. I assume he was one of the Procomp principals. He began selling Diebold stock like there was no tomorrow; he dumped over $30 million since August 15.

[creativelcro]

129. GENERAL COMMENT

hey guys, LOL, I cannot stop laughing! Great job...

On a more strategic side, do you think it is wise
to focus all fire on Diebold ? I've seen many of
the pictures refer to Diebold. I'm wondering if that
might not be counterproductive. Since they are
litigious, this might attract some defamation
lawsuits (don't know). But also, it takes pressure
off other companies... Do we really believe that Sequoia
and ES&S are less slimy and incompetent than Diebold ?
Just a thought.

PS. I bet Groenig will do a Simpsons episode on the BBV thing.
And Bev will be one of the characters in the story! Actually,
it might be a good idea to write him :)
-C

[angka]

133. i would cordially invite diebold

as jim march so eloquently put it, to bite me.

failing that, they are welcome to suck on my disclaimer (below).

ah'm pol hervey—good dey!

[BevHarris]

147. Very, very nice -- I agree with both you and creativelcro

like both of your ideas -- even though they don't match.

That's the first time I've been to your disclaimer -- you even manage to do a disclaimer in an artistic way. Geez.

[BevHarris]

146. Very, very good point. We need a more generic tone on most of this

Not just Diebold -- the target is unaudited voting. Thanks, creativelcro

[BevHarris]

148. I should say "very, very" a few more times (how trite I am)

.

[angka]

162. same theme, less specifically targeted

although i have no objection to publicly giving diebold what-for, i agree that this issue is of course broader than any one company.

[angka]

163. a highschool girlfriend

was fond of the 'very verys.' i always thought it was cute.

of course i would have given her a pass on just about anything, seeing as she was very, very hot...

:)

[nostamj]

80. kick

just, :kick:

ok?

[BevHarris]

85. NEWS -- News coming out on the MEMOS

very shortly now. Something's gonna break.

Now, I didn't want to clutter all of DU up with nothing but Black Box Voting threads, so I just used this news as an excuse to kick this fun thread.

But if you want to do a slogan or banner about the memos, that could be useful very soon!

Bev

[nostamj]

91. Cab Calloway on BBV....

Hidey hidey, NO!

;-)

[BevHarris]

97. I'm sorry, I must have no life -- this is too fun

Passed that one along to the family. Cab Calloway. (Guess you have to be my age or know your old jazz guys)

[nostamj]

100. both! (lol) eom

109. Here's one

"If a vote falls in a forest of DREs, and no one is there to listen, is there really a ballot?"

Signed,
Deep Vote

[BevHarris]

119. Heh. You convoluted highbrow person. Very good (n/t)

.

110. How about this???

A black hole with the "Diebold" logo on it, sucking in ballots, with George Bush in the center of the hole, with his mouth open!?!

Signed,
Deep Vote

108. Creative loss of defect log at Diebold!

Ch. 8 and 9, your book. Very funny!!!

I love the creative way in which Diebold made software defects disappear--they made the list disappear! OOOPPPPS! Darn! LOST THE FILE!

Another company I know of made people and individual defects disappear!

Tell me, WHO is smarter?

Maybe Diebold isn't THAT DUMB??? Isn't it much easier to lose a whole PILE of defects rather than go at a pile one by one, murdering employees along the way?!?

(p.s. I can point out the section in the FEC guidelines which make this a severe violation.)

[BevHarris]

120. Severe FEC violation? Oh reaaalllly!

It must gall the hide-the-vote industry to have a critic who has memorized 600 pages of regulations and can quote violations chapter and verse.

I guess a catastrophic accident to bugzilla is considered more plausible than "my ferret ate it?"

123. We really need to get together some nite when this is all over

You need to sit down and have ONE drink with me in Seattle, and watch me fall over. Invite Linda and Marian!

Let's talk about your next book! It's all in my head just waiting to get out!

[BevHarris]

127. I know, I know...there is a rather large "discovery"

that I'm sure you know about, that is a bit too big for the current book. Consider the current book the pave-the-way book for this very bizarre stuff RedEagle and you have been stumbling into. People are getting dizzy just on BBV, let's give them a chance to catch their breath and start looking for root causes.

132. Yes, Diebold is responsible for...

Diebold has to maintain their bug database since they are "responsible or a quality assurance program and record keeping of tests and defects" (more or less)

In Washington State, FEC certification is codified.

FEC 2003
I 7.2
The voting system vendor is responsible for designing and implementing a quality assurance program to ensure that the design, workmanship, and performance requirements of this standard are achieved in all delivered systems and components

II 7.4.5c
Confirm(s)that all required internal vendor tests and audits prior to release have been completed successfully;

II 7.5e
Effective record keeping of system failures to support analysis of failure patterns and potential causes; and

[girlphoenix]

88. Had an idea rolling around all day

A graphic with ones and zeros in a line top to bottom with different names and arrows pointing at each number. And in the middle are question marks representing YOUR vote. Try to visually get accross the idea that who knows which voter (if any) corresponds to which bit?

Sorry I'm not graphically inclined, or I'd try it myself.


the girl

[morgan2]

104. ideas

Have a picture of Wally Odell with the "I'm comitted to delivering Ohio to Bush" quote, then have it read "Would you trust this man to cast your vote for you? How about a computer he programmed?"

something along those lines. Connect having him cast your vote via proxy to his computers doing it.

[BevHarris]

121. Good one n/t

.

[SoCalDem]

107. Put in a diebold machine on the panel and

"...All your votes are belong to Diebold"...

112. Kick! This is fun!

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[SoCalDem]

113. Need help on the BSOD image

[punpirate]

115. The changes would be quite partisan...

... but I'll bet it would fly in Ohio. :P

How about in the lower message, more generically, substitute "election" for "application, and "voting machine" for "computer," and "You will lose all votes in this election."

Cheers.

[SoCalDem]

116. I don't know how to change them...I am a

:dunce:

[punpirate]

117. I think you need to find a font called...

... "System" and that would reproduce what shows up on the BSOD. The color is also (at least in NT) lighter and more fluorescent-looking. But, it's a good idea. Most computer users would understand it right away.

Cheers.

[punpirate]

114. Okay, a few...

... sort of as they come to mind:

Your Vote Is Not an Electron

Your Vote Counts!
Did The Voting Machine Count It?

Vote Smart=Paper Ballot

Who Votes? You... or the voting machine?

For those who like in-your-face messages: Touch Screen? Tough shit.

Not at a computer where I have Photoshop, but, graphically, how about split page, one side with a paper ballot, headed by "This is a paper ballot." Other side is empty white space, headed by, "This is an electron." At the bottom, footer reads, "Which is easier for you to count?

Cheers.

[BevHarris]

122. This is a paper ballot. This is an electron -- Love that one

134. Porno slogan (18+ only)

"Chads may be well-hung in elections, but touch-screens have bigger problems which are harder to see"

[tlcandie]

118. Chads hung around ..

Computers ?


Or At least chads hung around..
Do you know where your vote is/went?

OR vice versa .. Playing off the old ps announcement of 'Do you know where your children are?'

Do you know where your vote is?
Chads hung around...
Now ?

OR
Do you know where your vote is?
Then: Hanging chads
Now: Your worst nightmare?
No one knows?
Anything goes?
Anyone's guess ?


Value YOUR freedom?
DEMAND paper ballots!

Patriots DEMAND paper ballots!

I voted..I THINK!
Demand paper ballots!

Hanging chads
OR
well ian vote?
DEMAND paper ballots!

Paper ballot IS
YOUR right!
DEMAND one!


Paper please!
DEMAND paper ballots!


DEMAND only the best!
Paper ballots!

Got paper?
No paper...no vote!
DEMAND paper ballots!

Okay, I'm tired and these are okay, but not that great :( You all did great...enjoyed it!

:hi:

[AP]

130. Chads Hang Around. Electrons Pass (From Atom to Atom).

?

[BevHarris]

131. Heh heh.

Or chads hang around.
Electrons disappear.

[AP]

142. Electrons are No Way to Conduct a Vote

We're getting closer?

[AP]

159. Your Vote Matters. Get it in Writing.

[ewagner]

136. Grreat creative work here....

I enjoyed watching and absolutely cannot top the great ideas here..

great work folks.

[ConsAreLiars]

135. Another

I vote.
The Machine decides?
Not in any democracy!

137. "I'd rather have my chad hanging than my screen touched!"

Bev

Did I tell you my sister and I won 1st and 2nd place in the Catholic grammar school mascot naming contest???

Signed
Dan
aka "Deep Vote"

[SharonAnn]

138. You all give me hope! And confidence that we can win!

eom

[RedEagle]

139. One More...

Stalin liked black boxes too.

[hang a left]

140. I just got an idea. It is probably sucky....but.....

A play on, this is your brain...this is your brain on drugs....any questions?

This is your vote
(then some kind of picture)
This is your vote on ?
(then another kind of picture)
Any Questions?

[BevHarris]

143. Good! I was trying to thing of something like that

You did better than I.

How about:

This is your vote
This is your vote into the void
Any Questions?

(picture of votes on paper ballot, marked "paper ballot")
(finger pushing machine, question mark coming out the other side)

[AP]

158. See 128 above. I already got that one covered.

It sucked when I came up with a couple hours ago. :)

[harmonyguy]

141. If it's important, it should be in writing.

If it's important, it should be in writing!
Your grandparents said it, your parents said it.
You KNOW they were right.
Is YOUR ballot important?
Make sure your ballot is a PAPER ballot.

or

Is YOUR ballot worth the paper it's printed on?

or

You can't count what you can't see.
Shouldn't YOUR ballot count?


HG

[RedEagle]

144. One More Tonight...

You Voted?
Got It On Paper?
SUCKER!!

(From SOB- Significant Other Boy)

[ParanoidPat]

149. One last one before I turn in......

This is your vote, (picture of a ballot)
This is your vote on Diebold, (picture of memory card)
Any questions? :evilgrin:
'night all! :)

:kick:

[BevHarris]

150. Ouch! And what a productive thread this is.

About time someone threw it back at them for all their

"can't have paper people will try to sell their vote"
"these BBV people are against electronic voting"
"the BBV crowd doesn't want the disabled to vote"
"why even have a machine if you are going to have paper?"
"they are all conspiracy nuts"
"there are no machines that produce a paper ballot"
"it would be really expensive to have a paper ballot"
"people need to get into the modern era"
"these machines are tested and tested and tested again"
"we've never had a problem"

Guess what: Our sound byte writers are more talented than theirs.

[abcdan]

151. couldn't resist

[ParanoidPat]

153. ROFLMAO!

Bravo! Too funny! (and it works on so many levels) :evilgrin:

[BevHarris]

160. Hah! Great job -- and love the double entendre

.

[angka]

161. a hahaha

good one. saved...

[nostamj]

165. kick

in case anyone missed it....

[RedEagle]

166. Ya gotta see these

Kick!

(And let us know when these get archived some where)

[nostamj]

167. my images are at

www.questionW.com in the Gallery

[phoebe]

168. me again..

how 'bout a diagram of a transparent cube with a visible ballot inside it standing beside a black cube. This is a pretty simple yet obvious visual clue..one can think of any number of tag lines..

[BevHarris]

169. Transparent one marked "ballot box"

the other one marked "black box"

Very good, Phoebe!

[phoebe]

170. yes - simplicity itself - and easily understood IMHumbleO..

by the way - u didn't really answer my ?(W) on Indybay.org putting up the memos this p.m. - any further confirmation of that?

[SoCalDem]

179. There are ballot boxes, and then there are "ballot boxes" just made this

edited to add:


OR

[nostamj]

180. well....

the choice SHOULD be Yours.... ;-)

[BattyDem]

171. This is fun! I'll take a shot at it ...

Deceptions In Elections: Build Oppression, Level Democracy



Go get 'em, Bev! :yourock:

[nostamj]

172. very good!

mind if I Flash that??? will make a nice banner!

[BattyDem]

173. Sure, go ahead and do it

I can't wait to see it. I'm glad you like it. :-)

[tlcandie]

174. OMG .. these are all so great and it is so much fun!!!

BattyDem got me thinking, yet again...

Your Vote
DIEsBOLDly
without paper


NO PAPER
Your Vote
DIEsBOLDly

VOTES RIP/die
without paper

Ballots DIEBOLD
deaths without PAPER


EDIT: one more

Your vote RIP
with DIEBOLD

Bury your vote with DIEBOLD!

[BattyDem]

175. Those are great!

"Your vote DIEsBOLDly" ... I love that!

[phoebe]

185. like it - though I'd tweak it a wee bit

Deceptions in Elections: Black Ops, Lost Democracy

- hope you don't mind..

[BattyDem]

186. That works, too

and it sounds so sinister!

[phoebe]

187. got another - remember "for want of a nail" nursery

rhyme? (as follows)

For want of a nail , the shoe was lost:
For want of the shoe , the horse was lost;
For want of the horse , the rider was lost;
For want of the rider , the battle was lost;
For want of the battle , the kingdom was lost,
And all for the want of a nail.

can we use this theme to incorporate the voting mess?? I'll plug away at this one to see what I can come up with - what do you think??

Maybe simplify it to "for want of verified voting, a democracy was lost" -

here's my effort..I KNOW one of you can do better than this..

for want of a vote, the machines were made:
for want of the machines, the contracts were written;
for want of the contracts, the dollars were spent;
for want of the dollars, the people were fooled;
for want of the people, a democracy was stolen
And all for the want of a vote..

[SoCalDem]

181. kick-ee-poo

:)