Satan General - From Bush's "cleaning house"?

[Trek234]

Hi all,

Does anyone know if the general who said we are fighting Satan (being reported on CNN among others) was installed when Bush & pals decided to "clean house"?

Several weeks ago many generals were removed with "more to come". Some people (such as my self) speculated this was being done so Bush could appoint loyal generals to do X evil thing.

Was this general one of them? If so, that theory would seem to have some weight... Who else better to obey you absolutely than a person who believes god installed you, and that we are fighting satan?

[Don_G]

1. He Must Have Passed Asskroft's Screening Procedure

A thourough sniffing from Asskrap's dogs checking for "evil" calico cat hair.

That and tumping the bible seems to be this mis-administrations only job description of any position.

[jokerman93]

2. If your fears are true...

Expect we'll be "finding" those nasty elusive WMDs sometime before the election?

God's will has always been good for bidness, after all. Get these officer's names! It'll be interesting to see who leaves the military for fat contracts in the private sector.

Anyone investing in futures? Placing wagers?

[maha]

3. Possibly.

This is worth looking into. The guy in question is Army Lt. General William G. "Jerry" Boykin, promoted in June to the redundantly named position of deputy under secretary of defense for intelligence, intelligence and warfighting support. General Boykin "has been charged with reinvigorating Rumsfeld's 'High Value Target Plan' to track down Bin Laden, Hussein, Mullah Omar and other leaders in the terrorism world," according to William Arkin, writing for the Los Angeles Times.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-arkin16oct16,1,6820671.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

And, as you heard, Gen. Boykin is a religious nutjob who thinks he is taking orders from God to fight Satan.

Here is the press release from the Department of Defense that announces Boykin's promotion, along with some other officers.

http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2003/nr20030620-0118.html

More about Gen. Boykin and his place in the history of comparative religion here:

http://www.mahablog.com/2003.10.12_arch.html#1066322985599

[tom_paine]

4. Look like that's EXACTLY the case

And when the Busheviks have finishes filling the military and CIA and FBI and OHS and local law enforcements and Citizen Corps Councils with Bushevik Loyalists...

they're coming for us as sure as Hitler came for the Jews.

And they are getting closer to being finished with their Stalinist Task each and every day.

The only operative question Totalitarian Monsters like the Busheviks ask is, "Who's going to stop us?"

Who can stop them in their monstrous tasks?

[jokerman93]

7. Myself, I have No Answers

But I feel knowledge is our best weapon.

Knowledge, the means to communicate it, and the Will to not be silenced.

[jokerman93]

6. 3 Star General

Serious mojo, and most certainly an action figure that comes complete with his own little intra-military mafia of loyal todies and sychophants. The kind that are comforted by dogmatism, eschatology and a clear sense of national destiny.

Making the world safe for Jesus and our precious bodily fluids!

HA!

[uh-oh Independent]

5. I see the humor in it but give the guy a break

There's really nothing wrong in applying your religious worldview to the situation at hand. If one believes in God, as the general, and about 90% of Americans do, one could conceivably imagine that God directs the course of human events, which would include Bush being president right now (whether you consider that good or bad). As far as the terrorism/satan analogy, I would argue there's no more obvious personification than Bin Laden and the act of killing civilians at will.

I don't see the big deal with those statements, unless you start calling for a holy war or a crusade or something, which was definitely not his intention. You take anyone out of context on a religious message and you can make them sound like a fanatic. I do take some issue with describing America as "judeo-christian", since I don't think America should solely represent any religious establishment, but the absence of the theocracy and religious rule that terrorism represents.

Basically I think his comments were perfectly appropriate on a personal level, but as a representative of the US, they have no place. I don't know exactly where he made the comments, or to what audience, but that would be the key factor in this case.

[jokerman93]

8. I see Your Point and I Would Be Less Disturbed

if GWBush hadn't already gone on record many times as considering himself placed in the WH to fulfill some divine plan for the American Nation. And if the Bush WH hadn't already left behind a long unsavory trail of lies, obfuscations and arguably illegal manipulations of the American public -- for reasons that still remain mostly unclear and open to the most outrageous speculations.

In the early days after 911. He was heard on a number of occassions refering to our retalliatory actions as a "crusade". I also distinctly remember some kind of 30 second propaganda piece on FOX around the time of the Afgan invasion in which still photos of military personnel "in action" was backgrounded with stirring patriotic music and a tribute piece about the courageous American men and women in uniform and so forth ... and in the middle I glimpsed a very quick flash of a black screen with white letters reading the word: Christian.

This was not an hallucination. I never saw the spot again. But I mentioned it at work the next day. Distrurbing and true, though I have no way of proving it. At the timme I had not been an activist or particularly well informed by real news.

Just another anecdote, but the Bush WH is peopled with ideologues, not prudent policy brokers. Since they installed themselves in the WH, they've been running roughshod over everything from the environment (Kyoto treaty, logging, pollution standards etc.) to our constitutionally granted protections as American citizens, to the balooning national debt -- as if there was no tomorrow.

This should disturb anyone who reflects on the kind of mindset that would implement such a massive campaign of radical policies like this with no public debate and apparently no thought of future repercussions for the American people and the world community. Is it so farfetched to suspect their might indeed be some form of eschatology involved? At least for Bush Jr.?

Of course I also think their PNAC ideology represents the height of ignorance, but ignorance doesn't always stop men of "vision" from making life very uncomfortable for the rest of us.

I prefer to remain alert and not cut slack for any man or woman in power who makes inflamatory statements such as framing this grotesque campaign of war profiteering as some kind of war prosecuted from on high.

Sorry. I was in Army Special Operations Intelligence for 8 years. No way I'd want to follow a gasbag like that into a war.

[tom_paine]

10. Damn, jokerman, that was a sh*t-hot post! Welcome to DU!

:toast: :toast:

Well said and smartly said!

"as if there is no tomorrow?"

Maybe they know something we don't...

grotesque campaign of war profiteering

So true. Ever heard of Gen. Smedley Butler and the Attempted Coup of 1936?

http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/morgan4.htm

Now there is a real American patriot, eh? Again I say, sir, welcome to DU from a fellow vet. You have already made some terrific contributions to the discussion around here.

Keep it up.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[jokerman93]

12. Thanks for the encouragement Tom_Paine.

It's sincerely appreciated.

And thanks! I'll be checking this link out too.)

[Resistance Is Futile]

11. No tomorrow

Since they installed themselves in the WH, they've been running roughshod over everything from the environment (Kyoto treaty, logging, pollution standards etc.) to our constitutionally granted protections as American citizens, to the balooning national debt -- as if there was no tomorrow.


Given the degree of overlap between the GOP and the Christian reconstructionist movement, there are likely a lot of people in the administration who believe they are laying the groundwork for the rapture and that there really is no tomorrow. This would certainly explain many of their policies.

[maha]

9. Disagree.

I doubt this guy can recognize the boundary between "private" and "public" religious expression, and if he really believes Islam is the Devil's Religion he shouldn't be trusted to deal with Muslims.