Clark's Campaign ~FIZZLES~

[Closer]

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/8276.htm

Clark began with a "Swoon Strategy" - handsome general gets blessed by Bill Clinton, graciously agrees to run for president as a (gasp!) Democrat and the party swoons in rapture, hailing him as its savior.

But the swoon was short. A month later, Clark is just part of the presidential pack, he shows up in an ordinary suit instead of an awe-inspiring general's uniform and there's a lot less hero-worshipping talk about "The General."

"Somebody opens the door for you and it's not going to stay open forever," said veteran New Hampshire pollster Dick Bennett, who believes Clark blundered by arrogantly acting as if all he had to do was deign to show up.

Bennett recalls being at the Merrimack restaurant, a popular political stop in Manchester, N.H., when Clark came in: "They were running it as if this was the Clinton campaign and the guy was already president with no access to voters. That doesn't work here."

The result: So far Clark is nowhere in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early states that shape the race and matter far more than national polls right now. Voters there expect to be courted and don't swoon just because you're a general.

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[Composed Thinker]

1. I don't know what that woman is talking about

His campaign is not even two months old, yet he's still leading in national polls. And he's made, what, one or two trips to New Hampshire? I don't even think he's been to Iowa for campaining yet.

This is just spin from that tabloid.

[FrenchieCat]

12. The campaign is not even 1 month old let alone 2 n/t

[Bertrand]

20. i think today is the anniversary of Clarks Announcment

im not sure.

[Bertrand]

2. It shows that this guy is searching for op-eds from a Murdoch Tabloid

to get Clark. Much like Dean, you need to attack others since you cant achieve victory on a positive message.

[Closer]

3. Yeah, Bertrand

There ya go.

That makes A LOT of sense. :eyes:

[w13rd0]

5. Wow...

...that's funny. Ok, I take my post below back. At least insofar as it pertains to you...

[Bertrand]

10. W13rd0

im sorry if ive offended you, but coming from someone who holds Dean as a good #2 Choice along with Kerry for the Dem nom, ive been upset lately with his attacks on others. He has been running a negative campaign lately, and im bothered by it.

[w13rd0]

26. No, he hasn't...

...check his Capitol Report CNBC appearance. Once again, Dean has taken the comments of his supporters into account and done a great job of being responsive to them. Most of the candidates are doing their fair share of attacking, in one manner or another, if that is what one wants to call it. Attacking, doing politics, whatever. Everyone is a little ruffled under the collar I'm sure, I just wish people thought things through a little more before they hit the post button...

[w13rd0]

4. Isn't there a rule concerning...

...posts from Moonie outlets? I might agree or disagree with the general thrust of the article, but it's still little more than an opinion piece from the NY Post, which isn't known for it's love of Democrats. Was that rule stricken?

[Closer]

7. Is that your

way of raising your hand in class and tellin the teacher?

:eyes:


Grow up people.

[w13rd0]

8. No, I'm just saying that you could...

...end run alot of the standard retorts (see above) that occur when you post articles from "suspect" publications by commenting or elaborating on how or why you find that post relevant or meaningful...

[salin]

9. actually I think the reference was to this:

3. If you post an article or other published content which is from a conservative source or which expresses a traditionally conservative viewpoint, you must state your opinion about the piece and/or the issues it raises

From the GD rules.

Just have to go on the record with your assessment of the piece and/or the issues it raises.

[Bread and Circus]

6. Piece of shit article...

I knew this article was a total piece of shit
when they printed this total lie:

"Clark also blew his "outsider" image by turning his back on the draft-Clark people who'd built an Internet frenzy for him - instead, he "Clintoned up," surrounding himself with Clinton-Gore insiders. Draft-Clark types are fuming on the Web."

______________________

He has not turned his back on the Draft Clarkers and we
still love him. This is f*cking rubbish.

[Larkspur]

11. Iowans and Granite staters expected to be courted by Prez candidates

not to be treated like serfs by candidates suffering from aristocracy syndrome.

Clark just replaced Lieberman in the national name recognition polls, polls which don't rate a candidate on his/her campaigning skills, just name recognition and how much the media slurs them or not.

When Clark entered the Dem Prez race, he had CNN hyped delusions that he was the next Eisenhower and that Democrats would fall down and worship him. Didn't work with savvy voters in Iowa and New Hampshire. Welcome to the real world, General. It's a bitch, ain't it?

[ignatiusr]

14. The New York Post?!

I hear Fox News is also reporting that Saddam planned 9/11.

[mmonk]

18. I'm beginning to think

backers of Dean place him in some sort of holy reverance and perfection (duh). Or maybe I'm wrong?:shrug:

[roguevalley]

19. Good grief. This article is crap of course. And as far as being courted,

NH and Iowa are just two pit stops on a long road. Maybe
for marginal candidates its the end but for people with
tenacity and support, its just the first sorting out. Clark
isn't out by a long shot and as for courting the voters,
crap. I want them to TELL ME SOMETHING, not jerk my chain
with platitudes and fancy dancing.

Clark bothers Bush and his ilk. It also apparently
bothers a few here. So what? Support your man. Its not in
our hands anyway. Its in the electorates.

[Larkspur]

35. Iowa and New Hampshire are the first 2 stops and get lots of attention

because they are the first Caucus and Primary of the Prez Primary race. If Dean wins big in either or both, he will have LOTS of momentum and FREE publicity leading into Super Tuesday.

For Clark, the lessons of Iowa and New Hampshire are that organizing and campaign experience by the candidate himself are more important ingredients than shear name recognition in wooing voters from any state.

[Eurobabe]

27. super tuesday trumps NH & IA

The only reason these two states are *so important* is because the flippin' media SAYS they are...

See Kurtz's media notes:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40468-2003Oct17.html

Look for super tuesday to correct the overblown importance of NH and IA.

[Mz Pip]

13. Hah! You wish.

FIZZLES my ass. Clark is running a National Campaign and from looking at the Narional polls, he's doing a damn good job of it.

I'm glad it's being run like the Clinton campaign since we might all be advised to remember: Clinton WON.

MzPip

[59millionmorons]

23. Twice

nt

[gulliver]

15. Snide. Tendentious. BS.

This article is pure drivel.

(And as salin points out above, you should state your opinion of this particular attack piece on a Dem candidate.)

[59millionmorons]

16. This poster sounds desperate

Nice try. Oh and by the way, Iowa and NH are not part of Clarks strategy. Hell he will likely ship Iowa. He is paying more attention to the second tear of primaries. CA,NY you know the ones that matter.

[LoneStarLiberal]

17. Call me with the poll results around December 10th

Until then, poll away. It's not going to tell us much about what kind of effect Clark will have on Dean's support and vice versa.

Note this is an OPINION piece. I have my own opinions, too, some even backed up by credible polls.

Dick Bennett and his crew at ARG do a good job at polling...one of the better groups out there.

People make a lot of polls these days when Clark has barely a month under his belt as an official candidate; I'll be more interested to see polls around the first of December.

[AP]

21. The media is trying hard to make it fizzle. I don't support

Clark, by the fact that the media is trying to close the door on him is shocking.

Why aren't we angry about THIS? Even if you don't like him, why does the media get to force the election down our throats the way they want it played out?

[Larkspur]

22. My favorite part

Clark also blew his "outsider" image by turning his back on the draft-Clark people who'd built an Internet frenzy for him - instead, he "Clintoned up," surrounding himself with Clinton-Gore insiders. Draft-Clark types are fuming on the Web.

Frontrunner Howard Dean took the opposite strategy and embraced his grassroots Internet fans. That could be one reason why Dean now seems less worried about Clark.

Campaign inexperience and a late entry followed by lots of hype can shatter dreams. Now we'll see if Clark can campaign as hard as Champion work-aholic Howard Dean.

[DeepModem Mom]

24. Not just NY Post -- it's Deborah Orin --

Check out more of her work if you want to see where she's coming from.

[FrenchieCat]

25. Straight out of the Rove Playbook.....and look who's taking the bait...

posted by another........swooped it though......

It's from the 2000 election Karl Rove playbook....and we sure are taking the bait

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2003/010603a.html
A Future Guide

If the past is any guide, Democrats should expect
that:

-- The attacks will be personal, not issue-based.
Personality quirks or flaws will be used
to "define" the Democrats so these traits can be
easily transformed into laugh lines for
the pundit programs and the late-night comedy shows.

-- The attacks will be thematic, rather than
specific. For instance, the Democratic
challenger will be described as "Clintonian" -- or in
Edwards's case an "ambulance chasing
trial lawyer" -- rather than someone who supported or
opposed a specific policy initiative.

-- The attack machine will be relentless. Every
utterance by the eventual Democratic
nominee will be examined to see if it fits one of the
thematic patterns that have been
chosen as effective attack lines.

-- Statements or issues that fit a "theme" will be
repeated again and again in every
media venue, from Web sites to radio to TV pundit
shows to newspaper columns. Every
right-wing pundit ? and many mainstream commentators
? will use nearly identical
language until the "theme" becomes "conventional
wisdom."

-- The mainstream press will incorporate the attack
lines into regular news stories by
using the objective-sounding criticism that the
Democrat has failed to counter the
attack and committed the political sin of letting his
enemy define him.

-- Most importantly, it will not matter who the
Democratic nominee is. No one is immune.
The attack machine will find a thematic pattern for
each potential nominee and will pound
the Democratic candidate into the ground with it."

[FrenchieCat]

30. Inoculation from the Terror war is are best bet....

and that means Clark. It's clear who they would not rather deal with...considering the favorable Dean Press and unfavorable Clark press coverages. Apparently, we have learned nothing and allow the press and Rove to pick our candidates.

With blinders on, most at DU choose exactly the one they have picked out for us....

and sing with the talking points against the one that they don't want to face.

Damn those guys are good!

[FrenchieCat]

33. correction - Inoculation from the Terror war is our best bet....n/t

[linda d]

28. oh please

deborah orin's a freakin' gop/murdoch harpy..

the ny post is only good for page six.

[Liberal Veteran]

29. Right wing rag disses Clark? How shocking!

:eyes:

[mindfulNJ]

31. well...you can't please everyone

I suppose we could dress all the candidates up in flight suits with socks stuck in the crotch...:eyes:

[GabysPoppy]

32. Locking

Violation of Rule #3 (see below)


3. If you post an article or other published content which is from a conservative source or which expresses a traditionally conservative viewpoint, you must state your opinion about the piece and/or the issues it raises.


GabysPoppy

DU Moderator

[Rowdyboy]

34. How low will they go?

Quoting the Moonie Times to trash a Democrat! Thank God most Dean suppporters are classier than the mindless attack dog cadre we see here.