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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 02:06 PM
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Oprha For President. Seriously.
I am watching Amy Goodman of Democracy NOW! interview Michael Moore. Mr. Moore believes that Oprah would make a great presidential candidate.
At first I thought: "You have got to be kidding. That would never work."

But now that I think about it...why wouldn't it work?

Yes, yes...I know it's too late for Oprah to run, and I am not advocating a "Draft Oprah" movement. But let's imagine a parallel-earth;(Thank-you Tom Tomorrow) In parallel-America everything is exactly the same...except that Oprah started running three months ago. Do you think she would have a shot at the nomination? Do you think she could win against Bush?

I give an emphatic YES to both questions. If the NeoCons can elect Ah-nold, a spoiled chauvinist jock, to be governor; would it not be childs'-play to get Oprah in the white house?

Let's face it: Oprah could convince women across the socio-economic & political spectrum to force their men to support her campaign.
You don't believe me? I made the mistake of demeaning Oprah in front on my girlfriend last year...I didn't get laid for a month! You can't buy that kind of power people!!!

I like Dean, but if my girlfriend knew Oprah was running, she would force me to vote for her at gunpoint.
Men: You know they would.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 02:13 PM
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1. I don't know how that frowny-face got in this post
So just ignore it. It should be a (
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AmandaRuth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 03:12 PM
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16. beleech Oprah yuk.
Edited on Sat Oct-18-03 03:17 PM by luvamericahatebush
her constant emphasis on self-examination turns creates self absorption & selfishness in alot of people. Its like ok now, lets talk about me.

The problem with Bush Gore vrs. Arnold is that she had Bush AND Gore on. She is smart enough to know that the act of excluding Davis amounted to one big cost free commercial for Arnold. She doesn't care believe me. Stop with she was just being a friend already. She subverted the election process, no matter how you look at it. Dems had better start wooing her big time, or put her on the enemy list.

on edit - sorry this should have been posted at the end of this thread, i clicked in error
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Alenne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 02:14 PM
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2. Oprah is not liked here
She has republicans on her show.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 02:27 PM
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7. If it only that she has Republicans on her show
I could live with her.

It’s that she smoozes up to them. Even if she felt loyalty to her old friend Maria having Arnold on without equal time for the others was over the top. It was a tacit endorsement of Arnold and nothing else. Well, she could have supported Maria without putting the Groperator in office but chose her own interests over the citizens. That level of selfishness qualifies her for politics, but certainly not my vote.

The really most disgusting thing she did was make love on air with the Chimp before theft 2000, that day I knew the election was lost. I was wrong obviously, we won anyway, but if it weren’t so close it would have been harder for them to steal.

Oprah has forgotten where she came from and sold her soul for the almighty dollar.
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Alenne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 02:35 PM
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10. She has had Democrats on and smoozed with them also
She had Al Gore and George Bush on. If people liked Bush better than they liked Gore how is that Oprah's fault.


Maria is her friend. For most people loyalty trumps politics.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 03:16 PM
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17. You must not have seen both shows.
It was pathetic groveling with the Chimp; they kissed for God’s sake. She was all over him it was disgusting.

This sums it up, at the Whitehouse in the photo gallery visitors view as they enter the public area there are several Chimp/Oprah photographs. Do you think the Chimp displays photographs of people he thinks DON'T support him? Chimp loves Oprah because he knows what I know, he wouldn’t be President without her help.

As for her friendship with Maria, Oprah could have been loyal to Maria and to the people. Oprah chose to service her own selfish needs when she did not balance that show with other candidates.

Oprah has no soul, she only plays someone with a soul on TV.
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Alenne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 05:44 PM
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32. I saw the one with Michael Moore
and the one with Barbara Lee. She has also had Albright and Hillary Clinton. It is not like she only has Republicans on her show. Everyone just gets upset when she has them on.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 06:09 PM
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34. Who cares who else she had on her show?
Bill O’Really has an occasional liberal to prove to himself that it is a no spin zone. Do you believe him?

She listened adoringly as the Chimp seduced her. She basically gave Arnold an endorsement, and she holds Condi up as a role model for young girls. A picture is emerging here and it is not a pretty one.

IMO the very worst thing she did was to call Condi a role model. Why would any self-respecting African-American want his or her daughter to be like Condi? That act alone shows me that Oprah has no conscience, none, there is a vacuum where it is supposed to be. If she really thinks that all one has to be is powerful to be a role model, what does that say about Oprah’s moral compass? Doesn’t she know whose children are dying as a result of Condi? Well she ought to, those who fight and die are disproportionately minority, and if Oprah had a soul she would care about the young Americans who will pay for Chimps war with their lives as a result of that “role model” Condi.

Oprah loves Oprah, Oprah has money and thinks of herself as part of the moneyed class. There is no reason to think that she would be good for the Country or support causes that matter to the rest of us.
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Alenne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 06:25 PM
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36. I didn't say she would be a good President
Edited on Sat Oct-18-03 06:32 PM by Alenne
I believe she would need experience for that.

She listens adoringly to almost everybody on her show. She isn't there to ask the tough question.

You may not think Condi Rice is a good role model but there are many girls, black and white, who do. She held Barbara Lee up as a role model also.

I personally can't say Oprah doesn't have a soul or that she is immoral because she doesn't think Condi Rice is satan.

Oprah has done more with her money than most of our presidential candidates. She is building schools for African children along with putting dozens of children through college using her own money. I don't think Oprah is a bad person.
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:04 PM
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39. You didn't see both shows, Oprah gushed for Chimp
When Oprah pretends that Condi is anything resembling a role model Oprah shows her own contempt for morality. It would be one thing to interview Rice, but to suggest she should be held in high regard makes no sense. There really is such a thing as right and wrong and if ever there were a time in history where it is clear that time is now. Oprah doesn't want to take a stand because it is hard to do what is right. So she has sold out.

Think of it this way, if Oprah had a garden-variety lying murder on (think OJ) and a boy was in the audience who really admired him would you think it fine for Oprah to endorse that admiration? There is no difference--and what it means is that Oprah loves money more than morality.

Oprah does not give to a point that it has any effect on her daily life, she lives in opulence. If she gave enough that SHE could feel it you might have an argument. What she does is the same as me throwing two pennies in the poor box, it makes no difference to her and it is great PR. She has no morality, none, zippo, nada. She worships at the alter of greed and power, that is her god. As I said it may make her a fantastic political candidate, but not one who could help the country.
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Alenne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:27 PM
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42. We obviously think differently
Condaleeza Rice is a woman I disagree with. I don't think she is a horrible person. Oprah Winfrey is a woman I don't always agree with. I don't think she is a bad person.
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:44 PM
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44. Condi is evil incarnate.
My view of evil brought to life is stronger than I disagree with it, is sort of think it should be stopped. Just what do you disagree with Condi about? I suspect not much, but give an example please.

Condi lies at every opportunity to enable the administration to exploit the fear of the public for war profiteering and imperialistic goals. More men die every day as a result of her, every day. You need to do some reading sister if you don’t know even the basics.

This conversation started over the thought that Oprah could be a viable political candidate. Oprah is shallow and greedy, which more than qualifies her for right-wing politics.

There is no reason for Oprah to be shrill when her guests are on, but if she wants to be considered a woman of integrity she must be honest in her representation of who they are.

My question is how a Democrat such as yourself could be so confused about what the endorsement of Arnold means?
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Alenne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:53 PM
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46. Arnold and Maria are her friends
To some people loyalty trumps politics.
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:54 PM
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48. And to others right trumps wrong.
She could have presented both sides.
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Alenne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 08:01 PM
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50. She could have had Gray Davis on
but she didn't. It's her show.
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 08:16 PM
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52. Right
and since she didn't that means she endorsed Arnold. What are you missing?
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Alenne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 08:17 PM
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53. So what
She endorsed her friend. That is what friends do.
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 08:22 PM
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54. That’s what friends do when they don’t give
a shit about the millions of people who will be hurt as a result. It's called moral relativism, if it’s good for me, it’s good. We are talking good v.evil here. Human suffering. If details like that don’t bother you then friendship conquers all.
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Alenne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 08:28 PM
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56. Good vs. evil?
Edited on Sat Oct-18-03 08:29 PM by Alenne
You are either with us or against. Sounds a lot like Bush. I wouldn't want Arnold as may governor but he isn't Hitler. The man isn't evil. Oprah didn't hand Arnold the office. The people of CA still had to vote for him so obviously a majority of californians do not think they will be hurt by allowing him to be governor.
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 08:44 PM
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58. Yes, good v. evil.
Since Nazi times the choice has never been clearer. You can either buy into the wholesale destruction of American freedoms or you can say what is happening is wrong.

Pretending that differences with Condi are “simply political” is laughable and seems to suggest that you haven’t a clue about what has happened in Iraq.
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Alenne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 08:48 PM
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60. I know exactly what happened in Iraq.
A lot of good people I know supported that. They were wrong not evil. Condaleeza Rice is wrong not evil.
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 09:02 PM
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65. Oprah had Condi on this week.
Yes, some good and sincere people were bamboozled during the pre-war debate. The truth is now out there for people who want to know it, Oprah reasonably knows that she is supporting criminals, she does it anyway because it is good for Oprah.
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Alenne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 09:14 PM
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68. Nevermind
Edited on Sat Oct-18-03 09:14 PM by Alenne
This has been done to death. We disagree.
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theemu Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 09:06 PM
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66. Your subject line =
Why mainstream Americans will never take you seriously.
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 09:10 PM
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67. This is not how I would make this argument to the mainstream.
Almost half of them would still vote for Chimp.

DU is not a mainstream place, so we can tell the truth here.
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LalahLand Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 10:42 PM
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75. Oprah refused to go to Afghanistan for Bush and Condi
How do you explain that one?
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 10:54 PM
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77. She couldn’t take her cook and trainer with her?
It didn’t help her, that’s all. It is ALL about Oprah
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LalahLand Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 10:32 PM
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73. You're out of line...
Condi Rice IS a role model. True, she is working for the wrong team, but have you read her resume? She is definately a role model not only for black kids, but white kids also. Get your facts straight.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 10:51 PM
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76. Condi is a role model for the Future Sociopaths of America
For those of us who want our children to grow with values she is horrific, my hope is that my daughter doesn’t find out that a womam can also be so horrible.

If you had even a simple understanding of what she supports you would not agree that the promulgation of evil is a not a good thing. This is not about school district boundaries; it is about the fate of the world. Condi sets into motion policies that are objectively wrong. If you want to take the Administration view that war is peace, depression is prosperity and all the rest that’s fine. Speaking for myself, the truth will suffice.
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LalahLand Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 10:57 AM
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79. OK, well lets separate her policies from her accomplishments
To ask what "self-respecting African American" would want his/her children to be like Condi is an insult and shows ignorance of the struggle of Blacks in America. She started college at 16 and then went on to get her PhD and work at schools like Stanford. Now she is the National Security Advisor of the United States. Policies aside, this woman IS a role model. Until we see a large percentage of blacks who have "made it" so far up the political scale, then she will CONTINUE to be considered a role model. Whether you like it or not.
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Wwagsthedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 02:45 PM
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12. Was Condisleeza on her show yesterday?
n/t
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 03:01 PM
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15. Yes, "Dr. Rice" was on
and, even though everybody wants to dog Oprah, she asked "Dr. Rice" some good questions, like, "So....when you folks are all alone, don't you say to yourselves, 'I hope they find some of those weapons of mass destruction?....soon?'"

But it wasn't supposed to be a hard hitting interview, anymore than when she has any other political figure on her show. Hell, earlier this week Ms. Streisand was on the show saying she couldn't support anyone who had supported the the Iraq war.

Last thing: Oprah had a young African American girl on the show who LOVES "Dr. Rice" because old Condi shows that it's OK for Black girls to be smart. The girl--she was about 13--just sobbed when she met old Condi. And old Condo was as frigid as usual.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 03:18 PM
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18. Maybe Oprah can be Chimp's VP.
She is not a Democrat, so us debating this really doen't matter.
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 04:11 PM
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22. Now let's put these pieces together.
She has Dr.Rice on and an adoring fan of Dr.Rice, making Rice look pretty damn good when in reality Dr. Rice is causing untold harm to the world. Dr.Rice should be considered no more of a role model to young girls than Hitler should have been to young Jews. If Oprah had a conscience she would know this. Because Rice has black blood and a powerful job does not make her worthy of adulation, any more than Hitler’s Jewish ancestry would have made him worthy of similar adulation.

Oprah may even come out as a Republican one of these days. She certainly isn’t one of us, who knows maybe she now thinks that because she won the lottery all young blacks could grow-up and become billionaires if they try hard enough.
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Alenne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 05:35 PM
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30. She also had Michael Moore on her show
and Barbara Lee to talk about not voting for the war after Sept. 11. She's had Hillary Clinton and Madeline Albright on her show. Should she only have Democrats and liberals on her show?
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 06:12 PM
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35. The issue isn’t who she has on her show.
It is what happens when they are there. You could not have seen the Chimp show and still believe Oprah is out for anyone but Oprah.

She may be a viable political candidate but there is not one single thing that she has done that makes me think that would be a good thing.
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Alenne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 06:30 PM
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37. I saw the Al Gore show
She was very nice to him also. Were you expecting her to be mean and rude to Bush? Do you think she should have slapped him or yelled at him when he kissed her?

It is about who she has had on her show. She has had Democrats and Republicans on and has treated all of them with respect. You aren't supposed to know if she is a democrat or republican. Her show isn't political.
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:14 PM
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40. The problem here is that you think her open support for the
Edited on Sat Oct-18-03 07:20 PM by Changenow
election of Republicans is perfectly fine, and I think it makes her a sell-out.

She wasn't just nice to Chimp she acted like his lover, that's why he is hanging her photo at the WH. How can you not understand that she endorsed Arnold? Her influence is powerful and she supported the bad guy! Why would anyone here like her? She might be a great gal for the Junior League to support to show their commitment to diversity, but she is nothing useful to progressives politically.


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Alenne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:31 PM
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43. So I should hate her
if she is a Republican. I don't think Arnold is the bad guy. He is just a person with a different political opinion. I think hating people and calling people bad guys and saying they have no soul because they are republicans is ridiculous. I will not act like freepers, hating anyone who isn't a Democrat. You are free to do so.
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:53 PM
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47. This isn’t about hate unless you make it so.
It is about deception. Oprah’s deception. Oprah’s pretend conscience. Arnold is a misogynist fool who married up, I don’t hate Arnold and I don’t hate Oprah, but I sure do see through them.

Your defense of Oprah speaks volumes about where she really is politically and why she is universally disliked here. Your real problem seems to be that Oprah isn’t fooling anyone, but you haven’t offered a single argument to support her that would change the mind of anyone here.
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Alenne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:59 PM
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49. Who is she supposed to be fooling?
Oprah has never called herself a republican or a democrat. I still don't know what her opinions are on any issues. Just because she had Bush and Arnold on her show does not make her a republican. She praised Barbara Lee for being the only one to vote no on the war in Afghanistan. That doesn't make her a democrat either. I don't know where Oprah stands politically but I'm not going to say she doesn't have a soul because she doesn't dislike Condaleeza Rice.

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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 08:15 PM
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51. If you are a Democrat or progressive
and you think that Oprah’s support for right wing candidates demonstrates something other than who Oprah is as a human then she has fooled you. She doesn’t give a damn about anyone but her own self-aggrandizement, if you think otherwise you are fooled.

Just because she had Arnold and Chimp on does not make her a Republican. Her endorsement of Arnold makes it likely that she is a Republican, her pathetic pandering to Condi makes it likely, but who cares? She is not a supporter of progressive causes. She may not be a Republican; my point is that she has no morality at all. To paraphrase the famous German bomb maker “ I don’t care where the bombs they drop, that’s not my department.” She could have that engraved above the door at Harpo. If she isn’t a Republican she cares so little about her country that she may as well be one. What she believes in is money, money and more money, the rest are details.
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Alenne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 08:25 PM
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55. I will not pretend to know anything about a person's soul or morals
just because they have republican friends and just because she had Bush on her show. I don't know what kind of causes she supports and neither do you. Why is it pandering when she has a Republican on but when she has a Democrat or liberal on you say so what that doesn't mean anything? I think you don't like her giving Republicans any time at all on her show.
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 08:37 PM
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57. What are you talking about?
First it IS NOT, IS NOT, IS NOT, IS NOT, IS NOT, and IS NOT, that she had Republicans on, that is the problem. If Republicans were presented honestly in the media they would have almost no support so I’m all in favor of the honest public display of what they are.

Second, she endorsed Arnold! She didn’t have to make the world a worse place but chose to so that she could stay cozy with a Kennedy. Well la-de-da, Oprah made the difficult decision to remain on Maria’s good friend list! What political courage, I’m about to cry, that Oprah what a gal!

Lastly, she sucked up to the criminal Condi, she wasn’t just polite but she beatified the woman.

How aren’t you getting this? It is about MORALITY, what is right and wrong Oprah knows but does not have the courage of her convictions, if you are a Democrat how don't you get it?
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Alenne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 08:46 PM
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59. Because I don't think morality has anything to do with it
She supported a friend. I don't find that strange. She knows Arnold better than I do. She might not think having him as a Governor is making the world a worse place.

Most people don't think Condi is a criminal. I don't think she is a criminal.

I not so black and white in my thinking. I don't think Republicans are evil.
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 08:59 PM
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62. First, you make a moral judgment when you say friendship
conquers all, I think myopia is not a virtue

So what if most people don’t think Condi is criminal? She is a criminal and that is a certainty, there really is such a thing as rigtht and wrong and it is independent of what most people think. That you could suggest Condi is something less than what she is a large part of the problem. That problem has been aggravated by Oprah’s not giving a damn about anything but her almighty dollar. Condi is a criminal, she is bad there and is no middle ground. Condi aids and abets the massive fraud on the American people: people, children, American boys die as a direct result of Condi’s malfeasance. If Oprah were moral she would expose Condi, that Oprah doesn’t says Oprah cares about power, not what is right.

Oprah supported the groper misogynist Arnold because it was good for Oprah. That’s fine with you, I see her for what she is.
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Alenne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 09:01 PM
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63. Great
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Athletic Grrl Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #35
38. Oprah thinks of the Nielsons.
To continue to appeal to the upper-middle class white American women in the Midwest (who vote strongly Pub) which comprise 90% of her studio audience, and by extension housewives across the country, she has to play nice with everyone and leave her politics out of it.

She went to plenty of Clinton banquets. She's best friends with Maya Angelou, among others. Oprah's a Democrat. What's so wrong with treating people with a little common decency? Have we become so jaded with shills like O'Reilly and Hannity and Rush and Coulter we've forgotten how to be decent to one another and instead of scream SHUT UP! SHUT UP!!!!!!11 actually listen to someone you don't nessarily agree with?
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:19 PM
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41. Sell that to someone else, I ain't buying.
I am all in favor of decency and common courtsey. In fact I wish there were more of it.

She endorsed ARNOLD. THAT MATTERS. She had a love fest with Chimp that helped get him into the WH. Chimp loves her for it, he hangs her photo to prove it. She says Condi should be a ROLE model!

None of those things have a thing to do with Hannity, Rush, O'Reilly or Ann. They are just sorry facts about a woman who has more money than conscience.
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Bronco69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 02:15 PM
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3. If the election was between Oprah and *, I would have to
sit this one out.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 02:21 PM
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4. that witch!
not in Calif you don't
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 02:25 PM
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6. I use to actually like Oprah and think she was awesome, but now
:shock: ! I could see her interviewing BOTH Sides and giving air time to BOTH...I thought that was who she was, but now we see another side and it isn't pretty.

My best friend (she's over 50!) never has liked her, but allowed me to oooo and aaaa over her. I called her recently and she laughed and said, "SEE!" She's always thought Oprah was honestly about Oprah ultimately.

I will never watch her again and I commend her for the good she has promoted in this society and the good deeds she's done. Maybe this is only a recent thing for her, I don't know, but I will never watch her or read her rag again.

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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 04:33 PM
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24. You got that right!!!!
I have Oprah to thank as one of the one's who helped put the gropinator into the governorship! :grr: To think I used to like her and would defend her here in the DU :wtf:, I hate her she is just a media whore! :mad: :grr: :nuke:
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RichM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 02:23 PM
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5. Oprah HELPED Arnold get elected. Beyond that, Americans have to
cut out this bullshit of trying to elect celebrities to public office. It's infantile. There's way too much celebrity-worship as it is; we need less of it, not more.
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 02:29 PM
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8. OK, I'll try again
I got deleted last time I commented on the Oprah thing, I guess because I added a statement about Michael Moore that included profanity and was probably taken as a statement against a political ally. All I meant to say was that he should have spent more time on the book.

I like Michael Moore, but I have trouble believing he's really serious about Oprah for President. I have wondered if he's joking. What do we know about Oprah's politics? Does she have any? I honestly don't know. Seems to me she's too busy making money appealing to the largest possible audience to be very interested in politics. If she did decide to run for President, what would she do? If you're serious, you have to think about it.

The possibility that Michael Moore is serious is keeping me from buying Dude, Where's My Country?
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 02:43 PM
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11. I'm not that serious either
It was just a funny thought so I posted it. I know nothing about Oprah other than I shouldn't say anything bad about her in fron of my gf.
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 02:56 PM
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14. Oh, OK
I might have gotten that if you hadn't added "seriously" to your subject line.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 02:47 PM
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13. another "personality" candidate? i don't think so
--totally inexperienced and totally unqualified--not to mention her love affair with Repugs. As far as I know she has never even hinted a criticism of BushCo policies. Au contraire I believe she thinks greed is a virtue. I saw the vapid Hilton sisters mentioned in a previous post, in a show devoted to "how rich people live." who gives a flying f***?? far more inspiring would be a show on "how poor people are resourceful and overcome seemingly insurmountable obstacles to finally get somewhere in life (or even just to survive)"--who the hell cares about a bunch of spoiled brats who have everything handed to them on a silver platter, whose main concern in life is what to wear to the next put-on social event to impress everybody with how "cool" they are because they never wear the same thing twice. such shallow values sicken me but apparently O and her audience think that is something to admire.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 03:21 PM
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19. Who are the Hilton sisters?
And why are they rich.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 03:41 PM
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21. No-good, spoiled brats who are the heirs to the Hilton Hotel fortune...


Andy Warhol would have loved these two. They show up at every lightweight "see-and-be-seen" big-money society bash, and are known strictly for their "celebrity" and nothing else.

They have done *nothing* regarding any substantive contribution to society.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 03:21 PM
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20. I agree..."Okra" has never impressed me with anything ...
(lately)
I DO remember when some Star she had on made a Big Deal about
the fact that she gave 10,000 dollars to charity one year and
the audience stood up and clapped and yelled while Miss Okra
beamed with false modesty.

Since she makes around $172,000 per episode that equals 1/17 of an hour and is 3.53 Minutes of her time....

Big Fuckin' deal!
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 04:15 PM
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23. You are right, sir
>You don't believe me? I made the mistake of demeaning Oprah in front on my girlfriend last year...I didn't get laid for a month! You can't buy that kind of power people!!!<

I am not Oprah's biggest fan (I wish she'd get over her dependency on the Guru Of The Month -- girl, you have the power, you had it all along.) However, you are absolutely right: She is the most powerful and influential woman in America. BAR NONE.

Anyone who doesn't agree with me is kidding themselves; what other woman in America can claim the very idea that anything they endorse, anything they enjoy, anything mentioned on the show immediately sells out or goes to the best seller list? (For example, after Oprah said that she liked a particular item in the Origins body care line, the Nordstrom in our area is still talking about the fact that they sold out of their entire stock in ONE AFTERNOON.)

Oprah would get women registered who have never voted in their lives. She would turn out hundreds of volunteers in every town that would register friends and neighbors to vote, they'd drive people to the polls, they'd form babysitting co-ops for Election Day.

While she is not my all-time fave, I'd vote for her. Why? She pulled herself up by the bootstraps. She knows what it's like to be poor and without hope; she had the inner strength to succeed as an African American woman in a white male dominated industry. She is a brilliant businesswoman, and smart enough to surround herself with the best and brightest as well.

I won't be surprised at all if this idea is seriously floated before '08.

Julie
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 04:48 PM
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26. She may be powerful and influential
but she isn’t one of us. If she runs she will have to admit her political allegiance and that won’t do us a bit of good. Why does anyone think that just because she is African-American she is also progressive or Democratic? She isn’t, what she is is a very rich woman. Her loyalty is to her money, not to the people she left behind.

We really don’t need any more people in office who put loyalty to the Almighty Dollar before love of country or common decency.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:06 AM
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78. Am I reading this correctly?
>but she isn’t one of us.<

Oh, okay, I must have missed that part. She didn't work hard to get what she has. She wasn't smart enough to keep the show in her own name so she made her own money. Is that it? She grew up dirt poor. She worked her ass off to be as successful as she is. She still has family problems. I'll bet there are days it just isn't so great to be Oprah Winfrey, but she "isn't one of us"? Good God.

>Why does anyone think that just because she is African-American she is also progressive or Democratic? She isn’t, what she is is a very rich woman.<

Would a Republican give her money away like Oprah has been doing? Oh, there's a question. Then again, I forgot that everyone who's rich is automatically evil. Are you the arbiter of who's truly Democratic, and who isn't?

>Her loyalty is to her money, not to the people she left behind.<

What "people" are those? She's got enough money that she won't be able to spend it in this lifetime now. I don't think that money's her main concern.

>We really don’t need any more people in office who put loyalty to the Almighty Dollar before love of country or common decency.<

Excuse me?
Ohhh, I see. If one is wealthy, one has no soul. That's it, right?

Oprah doesn't love her country because she's rich? She has no "common decency" because she's not scrounging for every dollar?

By the way, just a question: Do you hold elected office? Everyone has to start somewhere. Maybe you should run.

Julie
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 04:54 PM
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27. I saw the pictures of Oprah
at the WH with my own two eyes. Now Chimp is a very, very stupid man but some of the people working at the White House might be brighter then he is. Does anyone think that the WH would display photographs of someone who doesn’t support the Chimp? It is doubtful.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 09:16 PM
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69. Well, if she'd run against Bush as a Republican???
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 04:47 PM
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25. Maybe she could run for City Council first
or Alderman or whatever Chicago uses...some of
us are getting tired of actors running for office
without any experience.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 05:14 PM
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28. are folks unaware of the ability of each poster to chnage his/her subject?
Just wonderin :shrug:
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 05:23 PM
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29. What do you mean?
nt
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 09:17 PM
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70. you can change the subject line of a post on-edit now
n/t
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 05:42 PM
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31. Oprah Not For President. Seriously.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 05:44 PM
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33. Couldn't hop on Oprah
with a ten foot pole. In my view she is about as phoney as junior.
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janekat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:46 PM
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45. Used to like her - until she had Arnold on and also sold the Iraq war
on her show. Now - I can't stand her...

She has turned into a Republican.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 08:56 PM
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61. Well. if she's not too busy whoring for the Republicans...
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 09:01 PM
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64. Oprah can Blow Me since she supported Arnold. n/t
n/t.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 09:26 PM
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71. I hate these kinds of posts...an opinion poll in disguise
For several days negative Oprah threads have been posted and now this thread is asking about her in a positive light. I sense ulterior motives and I don't like it.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 10:19 PM
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72. ABCOO: Anybody but Chimpy or Oprah
:puke:
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 10:42 PM
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74. If all I have to choose from is Oprah
Or the meat puppet, then I'm going to write in Mr. Ed on the ticket.
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