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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 06:06 PM
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Clark posts on blog.
Note From The General
"Talk about an internet campaign strategy! I flew into Little Rock last night for 3 days to get my voice back! So, it's ALL internet now!

We had a great week: released my public service proposal; met some great people in Florida, New York, New Mexico and Nevada; and released my efficiency reports - "OERs" (Officer Evaluation Reports) - yesterday to give folks an idea of what I've done with my life.

There's very strong interest in the candidacy, and it's growing around the country! We need all your support for this. I think many people are beginning to realize how important this election really is...it's not "business as usual." What's at stake is more than the next four years - it is really about what kind of future we want for our country...should government represent the governed, or just direct them? ...should governement respect dialogue and discussion, or just brand it as disloyal and unpatriotic. One path leads us to a cleaner, more transparent democracy - I don't like to think about where the other path leads...but it won't well-represent the values of freedom and democracy.

The New American Patriotism I've talked about is emerging strongly around the country. These are people who want to pitch in and help, not just wave flags. And these patriots also understand that what we're protecting isn't just our borders against an invasion but also our rights and ideals against their compromise. That's why one of the strongest reactions I get is in pointing out that in a democracy in time of war, dialogue and debate, disagreement and dissension are the essence of patriotism - not a failure but a celebration of who we are as a nation! No Administration has the right to say that if you disagree, it's unpatriotic!


http://blog.clark04.com/
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 06:13 PM
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1. I've been moved to participate...
Take Clark or leave him but the ont thing I can say about his campaign is that I'm actually planning on being a particpant this year.
For some reason he has moved me to parcipate beyond just voting. I guess most of it has to do with the fact that he makes me feel like we have a chance to beat the shrub.
If he doesn't get the nomination I will support the ticket and participate regardless. That is what Clarks campagin has done for me. I think it is good for the party.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 06:40 PM
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2. Yeah, that seems to be his primary appeal
And IMO it's a crying shame. Not just because there are other candidates who can win, but because it's an indicationg of how bereft, defeated so many Dems really feel. THAT is the tragedy here -- running after some lightweight who can't figure out what party he belongs to, but he wears stars on his shoulder so that must mean he's electable.

He's got so much baggage I have been shocked. And yet people aren't even willing to look at that -- it doesn't matter. He's a general. He must be able to win. Doesn't matter that he's not much of a Democrat (if he's a Democrat at all), we're just so scared of Bush that anything we ThINK (wrongly, IMO) is most electable will do.

Eloriel
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 06:45 PM
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3. Show me the baggage Eloriel
You talk about all these evil things that Clark has done that will sink him in the general and in this primary, show me the SERIOUS baggage.

Did he order a village to be bombed off the face of the earth for no good reason?

Did he have an affair with someone?

Did he commit some kind of crime that has been covered up otehr than voting for Nixon and Reagan and praising Bush for his successes in Afghanistan and his choise of cabinet? In case you forgot, most of the country was praising that at the time.

If you cannot bring up substantial evidence backing any of the above then cool it on the bagge issue, because so far I have ssen none that is weighing him down aside from a lack of experience.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 06:47 PM
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5. Clark is much more than just electable.
Yes I believe Clark is the most electable. But I believe he is also the best man for the job. He's a man of substance who actually has a vision for this country (he gets the big picture) and the smarts to carry it out. He is also a man of character and integrity and not your usual pandering politician. I've seen enough phonies in business to know the real deal when I see it and Clark is indeed the real deal.
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:24 PM
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18. although I'm not in total agreement with you…
Edited on Sat Oct-18-03 07:31 PM by pruner
I just want to thank you for saying that you believe Clark to the most electable candidate, as opposed to the only electable candidate, and then explaining why.

it'd be nice if more people around here would do the same, and quit saying that the 8/9 candidates they don't support are unelectable. that doesn't help anybody, and only serves to divide us even more.

:toast:
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:47 PM
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22. I think some of the other candidates could be electable
Edited on Sat Oct-18-03 07:48 PM by Skwmom
but in this crucial time I think it's critical to go with the best horse in the race (though I'm happy to say that I also think he is the best man for the job). With bbv, endless wars planned, etc. the window of opportunity to set things right is closing. Therefore, I want the guy who has the best chance to go up against Bush.

That said, I think if Dean is the candidate Bush will win in a landslide. Notice how very little is being said about Dean skirting the draft by getting a medical exemption for his back (bringing his own records to the exam) and then going skiing and doing construction. Of course, the repubs are waiting until after the primary process is over to let this shoe drop.
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:49 PM
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23. I take back my earlier comments…
in light of the fact that you're now promoting the "Dean is unelectable" meme.

obviously you didn't read what I said, or pay it any mind.
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Bertrand Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 06:48 PM
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7. if Clark is a lightweight, so is Dean
Lets not be hypocrites. We all know of Deans baggage, but perhaps i should start a thread about it and call everyone that disagrees with me as closet republicans who dont recognize that Clark has been chosen from God to deliver us from evil.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 06:51 PM
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9. Waaaaaaaaaa!
Somebody get me a wambulance!

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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:13 PM
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LOL!
That was a good movie!
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:28 PM
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19. One of the first Bruce Willis films I liked.
:-)
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 06:51 PM
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10. Eloriel
Dean is a good candidate. So is Clark. There is actually a good possibility they will be on the same ticket. Don't be so negative. Work for your own candidate without tearing down the others.
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retyred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:13 PM
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14. wow two whole posts
before you fealt compelled to trash a pro Clark thread.

It's really pathetic how threatened some folks feel that they feel the need to interject mud slinging at the thought that another candidate just might say something that bolsters their supporters.

The repitition of the trash points is quite amusing though since nothing new has surfaced to screech about, it's a typical RW ploy to repeat a slam often enough to make it so even when it's been discussed at length various times over the past month.

The same people repeating the same tripe does make for dull reading IMHO but knock yourself out.

That said I think Clarks message was right on and things are moving along nicely, he picks up a lot of support wherever he goes and word of mouth will do wonders come 04.


Retyred In Fla

So I Read This Book
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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 06:47 PM
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6. Damn right his primary appeal is BEATING BUSH. So?
Didn't the left learn its lesson about perfection in 2000?
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 06:48 PM
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8. Me, too, xultar
I'm almost 54, been voting Democrat since I was old enough to vote and I just now got around to changing my registration from Independent to Democrat. Back when I started voting there was Vietnam and I didn't feel like giving my alliegance to any party at all and while I really never found many candidates other than Democrats that I wanted to vote for, I also never have been moved to vote in a primary before. Now I'm re-registered so I can vote and so I can collect signatures, going to meetings and doing everything I can to support this man. I've never been so excited by any candidate before, ever.
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 06:52 PM
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11. Bravo
Good to see you're getting involved. Regardless of who you like the most.
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 06:55 PM
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12. I'm intrigued by Clark too
Edited on Sat Oct-18-03 07:05 PM by jokerman2004
I'm watching this guy. For me it's too soon to tell - but he's definitely moving in the right direction here with blogging. The interent is a new technology. As I see it, a presidential candidate, if he/she were savy, could harness the technology for an unstoppable campaign. The two obsticles the interenet eliminates in an epochal way (IMHO), are the canditate's time and distance from the voters -- and more importantly, as DU demonstrates, the voters from one another.

I don't know the algorythms here, but I'm willing to bet that's a money multiplier in the hands of the right innovators.

Blogs are a great start. It suggests to me that Clark sees the light of some of what's coming in this century -- the rules are changing and that means the balance of power is shifing with it. But I think he could take his campaign even further outside the political box if he wanted to. The interent is a pure political powerhouse just crying out for innovations in discourse and knowledge sharing.

I wonder if there's a task force in the Democratic party that acts as a kind of think tank about these questions. I'll bet the Repubs have one...
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 06:46 PM
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4. I wonder
Have any of the other candidates done something like this yet? That impresses me that he is taking the time to and say hi to the people instead of staying up above them like most pols do.
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 06:59 PM
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13. They've all followed Dean's lead on posting to the blog...
for Clark, he's built a whole candidacy on following Dean's lead.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:17 PM
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15. I mean
Have the others come onto their blogs and said hi?
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:35 PM
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21. Yes, I know that Dean and Kerry have. n/t
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:52 PM
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24. Well since Dean takes other peoples ideas and passes them off as
Edited on Sat Oct-18-03 07:53 PM by Skwmom
his own, I guess he can't complain to much. In addition, is it really Dean's lead or the people who he hired who started this trend? Dean doesn't strike me as the type of person who likes to give other people very much credit.
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Ivote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:32 PM
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20. CRANK IT UP
Like he said "WERE TAKING BACK OUR FLAG, WERE MOVING OUT.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:17 PM
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16. I wish he would post at DU
Maybe someone should convince him to come here and give a little speech or something.
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 01:20 PM
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25. Yes!
wonderful Idea. And down the line, we could gradually force the mainstream media to cover the huge political underground on the web, and start controlling more of the discourse -- for far less cost.
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 01:21 PM
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26. Deleted Duplicate Post on Edit
Edited on Tue Oct-21-03 01:24 PM by jokerman2004
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