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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:04 PM
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The Bush-Nazi History; Notes to John Loftus from DU
I just received an email from John Loftus who is in Jerusalem speaking on the Bush-Nazi history.

He had not seen the stories which have now broken GLOBALLY based on HIS research.

See: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031017/ap_on_re_us/prescott_bush_nazis_1


I have worked with John and interviewed him on the air and I know that he and another writer (Robert Lederman) worked their asses off to bring this story to light BEFORE the 2000 election. I know because I tried to help them by posting this history everywhere I could on line and to anyone who would listen.

I was threatened, harassed, my family was harassed and threatened with death (including my children) and I had to go to my Congressman, the fbi, my brother who is a US Attorney at Justice AND to Rabbi Cooper at the Simon Wiesenthal Foundation to get as much protection as I could.

I was ridiculed, called paranoid, told to take my meds, deleted (not here at DU), banned from posting on other boards and generally followed from site to site by "minders" who harangued me wherever I posted on these types of issues.

The story breaking now on Bush and the Nazis does NOT mention the Skull and Bones connection - but three of the bankers in Prescott's bank financing Hitler were Skull members and a fourth was a non-skull Yalie. Prescott was a Bonesman as are his son (Poppy) George and grandson (Arbusto-Temporary)George.

I feel vindicated and happy that John's efforts (publicized first in his book "The Secret War Against the Jews" (St Martin 1994) to publicize this important historical dynamic of wall street, oil and fascist Nazis with the Texas oilmen.



Loftus, a former US Attorney, discovered this evidence and tried to get everyone from 60 minutes to the Boston Globe to publicize it BEFORE 2000. They embargoed and ultimately ignored and KILLED this story (giving Bush the pResidency by their whorish failures)

I NOW AM Now ASKING IF FOLKS WANT TO SEND a Personal note of thanks to John Loftus for his courageous and tireless efforts to bring the truth to the world.

You can post them here (and I will send them to his private email - this site is inexplicably DOWN - Hmmm) or DuMail me and I will see that he gets them.

THANK YOU JOHN FOR YOUR BELIEF IN HONOR, TRUTH AND JUSTICE. YOU TOLD ME THAT AS A MARINE YOU HAD PLEDGED YOUR LIFE, YOUR FORTUNE AND YOUR SACRED HONOR TO THIS COUNTRY.

MAY YOU BE BLESSED AND YOUR WORK BE KNOWN AND HONORED BY ALL THOSE WHO LOVE PEACE, SECURITY AND JUSTICE AND HATE OPPRESSION, GREED AND EVIL.

please POST YOUR MESSAGES for me to send to John from the crew at DU!!!

Thank you
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:31 PM
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1. Tell him thanks for me Seventhson
you know I appreciate his work...and yours. You have never let detractors get you down on this and I applaud you for it. Now lets make the whole country aware of the fact.
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harrison Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:37 PM
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2. I am always amazed at the selflessness of people. I didn't know
that you had suffered those kind of recriminations in trying to bring history to light. Who says history isn't important? I appreciate your efforts and also those of Mr. Loftus. I have been on his web site numerous times and have admired his work.

Thank you both for being so tough.

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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:45 PM
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3. Wow!! Remarkable!!
Tell John many thanks for such great work!! Everyone who works to shine light on the truth is a precious jewel among us.

Please pass on my kind regards Seventhson!

Julie
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:50 PM
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4. Tell John many huge thanks from me. And likewise to you,
as well as Robert Lederman.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:51 PM
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5. You should PM Symbolman
regarding this...I am sure he would love to answer this as well. Then again he might not :shrug: Either way I would let him know.
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 08:08 PM
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6. Thanks seventhson!!!!
:hi:
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agingdem Donating Member (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 08:19 PM
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7. Seventhson...I salute you!
As a child of a Holocaust survivor I am grateful to John Loftus for pursuing this story.
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 10:10 PM
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8. Thanks All !!! and Let's Get a Handful More for Support of John and his...
work.

Please pass this around AND let's get some MORE voices and words of support for the effort simply to tell the truth about history and Speak Truth to Power.

This is a SHOUT OUT to John Loftus, Mark Aarons, Jon Voight (who is bringing this story to the screen), and NY Artist/Activist/Writer Robert Lederman.

Peace Be Upon You. Thank You!!!

Say a few words and kick this and I will forward it to John And Robert so they know the PEOPLE are Backing them up on this.
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 10:19 PM
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9. SHOUTOUT TO ROBERT LEDERMAN TOO!!! PLEASE!!!
Edited on Sat Oct-18-03 10:24 PM by seventhson
Here is an example of his writing on the Jewish perspective on this story:

http://nyfma.tao.ca/nyfma02682.html

Excerpt:


Apart from complaining about his background, you might ask
what I as a Jewish American want from GW Bush.

Like many Americans I believe he is not a legitimate President,
however, the US Supreme Court has allowed this coup-like
election to proceed. Therefore, I'm resigned to accepting that for
the next four years we will have a Nazi in the White House.

All I'd ask of President Bush is something very simple for him to
do. Mr. President, please make a public statement - as many of
the corporations associated with you have already done -
acknowledging your family's past relationship with Nazi
Germany, and then, apologize for it - as the Pope recently did.

Unlike your father, former President Bush, who said it was time
to forgive Nazis Germany's war criminals, you have made
seemingly sincere speeches about the Holocaust while
fundraising at synagogues and Jewish community centers. <19>

Now it's time for you to complete the "healing process" you are
always referring to and publicly repent for your family's part in
bringing the Holocaust about.

(note): "The Bush family fortune came from the Third Reich." -John
Loftus, former US Justice Dept. Nazi War Crimes investigator
and President of the Florida Holocaust Museum quoted in the
Sarasota Herald-Tribune 11/11/2000
http://www.newscoast.com/headlinesstory2.cfm?ID=35115

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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 10:37 PM
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10. To both you and Mr Loftus, Seventh ....
Thank you for your tireless efforts to bring the truth to light ...

Thank you for patiently sharing your information with those of us less well-versed, answering our questions, and giving us research tips ...

And thank you (and your families) for the incredible risks you've taken.


Blessings,

:hippie:
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 11:00 PM
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11. Thanks HippieChick!!! You Groove!!!
I will be passing these along soon and your words will get to John and to Robert Lederman.

This is the vanguard of our right to know and to understand.

Thank You.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 11:17 PM
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12. Thank you, John Loftus! Keep up the good fight!
You too, seventhson. Maybe you'll realize that Skull & Bones has good people in it, too. As President, Sen. Kerry would appoint an honest Attorney General who will continue to stick it to the NAZI bastids and their descendants, like John Loftus did when he was a US prosecutor.



John Kerry, left, sails with President John F. Kennedy
aboard the 62-foot Coast Guard yawl Manitou
in Narragansett Bay on Aug. 26, 1962.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 11:42 PM
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13. Props to John Loftus!
Man, if this story gets big gnarly legs and knocks the wheels off the Shrub juggernaut, you've got my vote for a Pulitizer!

Thanks for bringing this story, and not giving up until it had a chance!
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 11:43 PM
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14. I was under the impression that Loftus knew all about it.
Buchanan told me that he'd been in contact with Loftus prior to his trip to Israel, as had another friend of Loftus'.

Send Mr. Loftus kind regards from TBTM. We're covering this on tomorrow's TBTM Radio...

-as
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 08:20 AM
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16. What is TBTM radio and how
I listen to it?

Is it streamed on the Internet?

Is it on Sirius left by any chance?




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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 08:36 AM
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17. TBTM is here
"Take Back the Media"

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/

Don't forget to watch Symbolman's flash video's while you're there...they're awesome!
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 02:12 AM
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15. Thanks All!!! One More Sunday morning call for props
to the men who got this story out.

Thanks.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 08:47 AM
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18. Thank You seventhson
for your tireless work on this! Thank You John Loftus for getting this story out, for risking your life and for standing up for TRUTH in the face of adversity.

seventhson, Thank your family for me. I can only imagine the fear they must have felt and the sleepless nights all of you endured from it. Thank You!

I admire you all and thank you from the bottom of my heart!
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 08:56 AM
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19. Any more? I would love to get a few more from those who really care
and want to send their messages of thanks directly to the people who went way out on this alone when NO ONE was listening and who still are leading the fight to light up history so that all Americans can see the truth.

Please contribute.

I will send them along later today.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 09:03 AM
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20. many, many thanks
someday (soon??), history will note the crucial signifigance and contibutions of the truth seekers/tellers. For all that is decent and good in humanity, let the light shine! thank you
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LuCifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 09:05 AM
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21. Link to full NH Gazette story!
I'm amazed Yahoo News had the balls to cover this!

Bush - Nazi Link Confirmed: www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=NN_Bush_Nazi%20Link

"The long-rumored connection between the Bush family and the Nazis has been confirmed with documents from the National Archives. We had it first. The AP checked it out, and put their version of the story on the wire Friday. At our last count 25 outfits had run it, including Newsday (NY); The Atlanta Journal-Constitution (GA); The Washington (DC) Times; The Fort Worth (TX) Star Telegram; The Kansas City (MO) Star; The Times Picayune (LA); and The Stanford (CT) Advocate."

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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 09:40 AM
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22. Thanks to both of you
One of the things that had me believing this story some months ago when I came across links to it is the intersection of Harriman money and politics. When Clinton was running, he got a lot of financing from Pamela Harriman, whose fortune was originally made by her husband in dealings with the Soviet Union (among others). You would think that the Republicans would have been anxious to tarnish this as Commie money, since, at that time, they could have, and did, say just about everything else, but they passed on that chance. Other than the knowledge of the can of worms they'd be opening if they exposed all of Harriman's dealings (and the connections to Bush), why else would they have skipped such an opportunity?
If I have my facts wrong, or if my conclusions are thoroughly out of whack, please say so.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 09:41 AM
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23. Thanks for SPEAKING OUT and passing the word.
and never giving up :toast:

peace
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 11:56 AM
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24. Congratulations
You deserve all the support you can get and Loftus has done a great service to the truth.

I also have been harassed, my computer hacked and files stolen, surveiled,I've contacted police on some matters. I keep a network of people informed of what I'm doing, including officials. I recommend others do this who feel threatened.

I'm hoping that eventually these stories about the Bushies will get out and won't be distorted/watered down by the Press as they seem to be doing with the US involvement in Iraq in the 80's and other uncomfortable issues.

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 12:42 PM
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25. kick
:kick:
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 02:11 PM
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26. Okay. Thank You All. Sent. Anyone else who wants to say thanks can go here
http://www.john-loftus.com/default.asp

Robert Lederman can be found by googling his name (and add Nazi for Flava)

I have sent all of your messages to John. He has a radio program and can be contacted through his website (which is back up now)

I urge you to check it out.

I love John. Admire him. I do not ALWAYS agree with him - but he has MUCH to be proud of and MUCH courage and backbone. Same with Robert Lederman who is a folk hero and first amendment hero in NYC for taking on Giuliani's repressive attacks on artists rights.

Thanks all.

And

Shalom/Salaam and Peace OUT!!!
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