assuming the Dem nominee is a white man not named Lieberman or Kucinich…

[pruner]

and assuming the BBV shenanigans aren't too bad…

I think Bush is gonna lose in a landslide (at least in terms of the popular vote).

he hasn't given anyone that didn't vote for him in 2000 a reason to, and he's given many of those who did vote for him in 2000 a reason not to.

[genius]

1. I guess you haven't studied the candidates or the electronic voting

Dean would lose in a debate with Bush. Kucinich would make mincemeat out of Bush in the debates the way the Phoenix audience felt he made mincemeat out of Dean. According to the Phoenix audience Kerry and Kucinich won the debate.

However, in the end, it may not matter who we nominate. We could nominate God and Bush would win if don't get rid of those rigged voting machines.

[pruner]

3. agree with you re: BBV

I also agree that Kucinich would beat Bush in a debate, though I don't agree that Dean would lose to Bush in a debate. but I'm not talking about debates… I'm talking about elections.

[LastKnight]

2. your forgetting...

diebold and other questionable voting standards in other places... and the whole california/ahnuld thing... CA is kinda iffy ground now that its in repub hands, if ahnuld gets the state bailed out... it could sway the biggest electoral vote in the country tward the repubs, but unlikley considering it was a budget matter in the first place that got the incumbent in trouble (familiar, huh?)

im still seeing it as a tossup, big buisness is still happy so he will have plenty of money in his campaign wallet

-LK

[pruner]

4. I don't think the CA vote has any bearing on the presidential election

Bush is no Schwarzenegger.

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