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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:29 PM
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What books are DUers reading?
Edited on Sun Oct-19-03 01:30 PM by Bleachers7
I was wondering what you all are reading. I have recently read Waging Modern Wars by Clark, and Lies... By Franken. I have ordered Winning Modern Wars by Clark and Peoples history of the US by Zinn. I am intrigued by Krugmans book, but what are you guys up to?

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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:30 PM
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1. Krugman's book is fabulous
I finished it yesterday. Now, I'm reading Molly Ivins.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:31 PM
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2. I'm reading, "The Gnostic Gospels" and Al Franken's book
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 07:21 PM
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69. Elaine Pagels?
I have that one. I haven't read it yet, but my wife has, and she recommends it highly. I'm very interested in the Thomas Gospel stuff.
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 11:19 PM
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107. Could you guys comment on this?
I consider myself a progressive catholic and am very interedted in the St. Thomas stuff. Thanks.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 09:40 PM
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153. I heard Elaine Pagels on NPR last year.
I'd never heard of the Gnostic Gospels or whatever you want to call them before that. Very interesting stuff about the origin of the Bible and the difference between the Gospel of John and the other three, Matthew, Mark and Luke. The suggestion that John writes about events that the others don't, and may discredit Thomas with his "Doubting Thomas" story. Thomas had a much more benevolent approach. A friend of mine mentioned seeing something about the writings of Mary Magdalene on the Discovery Channel recently.

I got about 1/2 way through her newest book, "Beyond Belief," and decided I needed to go read the Gnostic Gospels first. I don't know if NPR archives their interviews, but I think it was with Teri Gross. It's really good.
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itcfish Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 10:47 AM
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131. I Am Too
If you have any more information on this topic, please let me know.


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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 03:55 PM
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143. Pagel's book Adam, Eve, and the Serpent
This book has a lot of info about how Christianity developed its present-day weird view of women and sexuality.

It's shocking to read about how differently many in the early church viewed the nature of women, men, and their relationship.
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Girlfriday Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:33 PM
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3. Just finished reading
'The Clinton Wars' by Sidney Blumenthal and I highly recommend it

Just ordered 'The Hunting of the President' and Franken's book, while I wait for those to come I am re-reading Barbara Tuchman's excellent book 'The March of Folly' from Troy to Viet Nam
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:34 PM
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4. Hey, I'm finishing The Gnostic Gospels.
I'm going to read Thom Hartmann's book next. Then Pagel's new book, The Gospel According to Thomas (or whatever) next.

I just purchased David Maraniss' book, They Marched Into Sunlight for my husband's birthday.
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TheReligiousLeft Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 12:07 AM
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113. Have you read "The acts of Paul and Thecla"
It is great. Titus and the 2 Timothies were written in response to it. Meaning Thecla was one of the first Christian Feminist writting. Sorry, I just finished writing a paper about it and I'm all stoked and such.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 09:41 PM
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154. My grandmother's name was Thekla.
It's German. Hmmm.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:38 PM
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5. Le Mythe de Sisyphe - Camus
part of my effort to learn French - and keep from killing myself if Bush gets reelected.
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 09:02 PM
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92. That is one of my favorites (nt)
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:40 PM
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6. Just wrapping up
'Rendezvous with Destiny' (FDR bio), think about picking up an abridged version of Churchill's 'Second World War' next, otherwise I'm going to read 'Propaganda and the Public Mind', 'Lenins Tomb' or 'Authentically Black', just got those ones sitting around.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:42 PM
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7. Who would have guessed?
DUers reading many of the same books.

Last week I finished "The Gnostic Gospels" and today I'll finish "War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning." BTW, that last book I put off for a long time; it just seemed too grim, but after reading it, I highly recommend it. In fact, it contains information that we all need, now and in the near future.

My next book will be Franken's and then Clark's. At which point, I'm taking a break with a piece of fiction.
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:01 AM
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119. War is a force that gives us meaning...
Loved the book, explains a lot about the public perception of war and patriotism...was hoping for a bit more in the conclusion, but definitely a great read and recommended......
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:42 PM
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8. I just finished...
... "A Knight of Another Sort: Prohibition Days and Charlie Birger", by Gary DeNeal; it's a fascinating book about 'war in Illinois' during the 1920's.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:43 PM
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9. Just finished "Bushwhacked!"
By Molly Ivins and Lou Dubose. Terrific book focusing on how ordinary Americans are affected by Bush and his cronies. Excellent read.

I just now started Neil Stephenson's "Quicksilver". I'm drawn into the book...this is the first time I've read any of Stephenson. Good, imaginative writing so far.
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 02:24 PM
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30. Has anyone read Ivins' latest column?
http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/columnists/molly_ivins/7044874.htm

First two paragraphs:

"I'm a card-carrying member of The Great Liberal Backlash of 2003, one of the half-dozen or so writers now schlepping around the country promoting books that do not speak kindly of Our Leader's record. As a group, we are making satisfying inroads on the bestseller lists.

"Our points of view vary, our modes of attack differ -- some of us are funny and some somber -- but it continues to amaze me that there is so little overlap in what we have written. What's wrong with this administration is not a short list."

Molly Ivins rocks.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:43 PM
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10. murder on the orient express
a local newspaper is dumping "hot reads" at the newstatnd, and i've never read it... last week was orwell's animal farm, so based on that excellent one, i figure this one's worth a shot.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:43 PM
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11. Unequal Protection by Thom Hartmann
Edited on Sun Oct-19-03 02:03 PM by eileen_d
The subtitle is "The Rise of Corporate Dominance and the Theft of Human Rights." I'd be interested to hear if other DUer's have read it and what they think. It's very readable, but it seems to have be long on generalizations and short on facts to back them up in some sections. I will withold conclusions until I finish reading.

I've also read Franken, and ordered Clark's latest book (as well as Kerry & Dean's forthcoming books) for political reading.

But frankly, I've been spending most of my time with three books:
Running Linux
Essential System Administration
Red Hat Linux 7.3 Secrets
(cramming for a certification test)
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:45 PM
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12. Just read Franken's new book and Corn's book
going this week to get either Ivan's or Moore's. Those are the next two on my list. After that I will be open to suggestions...anybody?
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Grins Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 02:40 PM
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35. Yeah, I got one for you..
If you like history you might read "Rising Tide" by John Barry. Story is the great flood of 1927, and how it changed history.

Was in Hawaii a few years ago and a friend was finishing it and said I just HAD to read it. I didn't want to but I had finished all the books I had brought with me and didn't want to pay Hawaii prices for another book.

Glad I did. Couldn’t put it down. If you are at all curious as to why black Americans turned on the party of Lincoln en masse, and what caused the change in government attitude to assist those unable to help themselves (and understand what today’s RW repubs are trying to return us to), the depth of racial hostility in the south (and the amazing personalities that came from it), how Huey Long really came to power (the anger of the less affluent to what happened to them in order to save the city of New Orleans), and what he did to the elite who tried to destroy him – this is your book!

PBS did a show on the flood, but fell far short on the details and its impact to this day. Good luck.
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 06:08 PM
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54. Thanks!
If I could do it all over again, I would've been a History major. It sounds like an interesting book and will take your advice! Thanks!:yourock:
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 09:37 PM
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102. Made in Texas, by Michael Lind. Absolutely explains why *
thinks the way he does and why his cronies do also.

It has made it crystal clear to me that they cannot be reasoned with, shamed, or negotiated with. They must be removed from our government like the cancer they are.

It's an incredibly readable book and really gives great insight to what we're dealing with. It's not too long, either, maximum information and insight in minimum words.
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:45 PM
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13. AUDIO BOOKS !!!!!!!
I just want to recommend ths LIFE SAVER for dyslexics, i hated books until i discovered this gem. and which made me LOVE reading BOOKS too.

Ok i mainly Listen to star trek (WHICH BY THE WAY are most often read by known trek actors like jonathan frakes, michael dorn, george takei, james doohan, the guy that played Q etc. and the shatner books are read by non other then the man himself)

And the books that i started to read are well ok mainly trek books too, also i like to read movie novels since they include SO MUCH more then the movie especially Terminator3.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:59 PM
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21. Yes, audio books are excellent
They make long highway jaunts a LOT faster. Also, many libraries have lots of them (some on CD too)
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 05:04 PM
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51. We love Audio books too!
Harry Potter and Philip Pullman's Dark Materials trilogy are out of this world.
Harry is read my one man who does a great job of doing different voices.
Philip Pullman is the narrator and has a cast do the rest. The individual titles are "The Golden Compass" (The Northern Lights in England), "he Subtle Knife" and "The Amber Spyglass".
Bill Bryson's books are good too.

I will be listening to Al Frankin's new book on the bus to Washington DC this Friday.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:46 PM
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14. A place called freedom, by Kenn Follett
pretty corny so far, but my dad loved it and really wanted me to read it. Anyway, there's some pretty good historical detail that's new to me, which is kind of interesting.
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mike6640 Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 06:51 PM
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61. that one was pretty good,
but for historical fictions, I recommend Follet's "Pillars of the Earth". Slow start, but great depth of characters and excellent story line.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 11:10 AM
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133. I read it years ago
and is one of my favorite fiction books. Follet did a masterful job with this book.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:52 PM
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15. Franken, Conason, Hightower, Clark
they are all good.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:53 PM
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16. Just finished "The Lunatic Cafe"
the 4th Anita Blake (vampire hunter) novel by Laurell K. Hamilton. Before that it was re-reading Palasts's "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" and Will Pitt's "The Greatest Sedition is Silence" cause I needed the kick in the butt earlier in the week. Before that it was Hightower's "If the Gods Had Meant Us to Vote They Would Have Given Us Candidates." Saw him last weekend and got a nice reminder of how funny he is while he's getting you all het up about the state of the world.

Next up - I have to travel for work this week so probably cheesy novels set in WWII where our dashing hero and intrepid heroine fight the nazis. :-)

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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:54 PM
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17. Just finished Franken's book
Starting "Winning Modern Wars" and "We Wish to Inform you that Tommorrow We Will be Killed with our Families", which is about the Rwandan genocide.
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:55 PM
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18. currently reading
Edited on Sun Oct-19-03 02:25 PM by Bertha Venation
The Metaphysical Club, Louis Menand. I can't digest but a few pages at a time.

For easy entertainment, what I call "fluff," Degree of Guilt, Richard North Patterson. I'm not crazy about his style but I'm hooked on the story now. (My favorite "fluff" books, definitely a guilty pleasure, Rita Mae Brown's "Mrs. Murphy" series.)

When I'm done with those two I think it's about time I re-read McCullough's Truman.

Last month I began Susan McDougal's The Woman Who Wouldn't Talk. I don't know if it's the place I was in at the time, a lack of patience or something, or maybe my impression was right--that it's a couple hundred pages of self-serving whiney rationalizations. I will have to try again at another time; I won't just reject it out of hand because of my first impression. I surely admire the fact that she refused to knuckle under to Starr.

Since I've come to DU my reading list has grown. A lot. And it's only been a few days.
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 06:35 PM
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59. I read the Metaphysical Club last April.
That is great stuff on Dewey, James, and Peirce, especially since there aren't many biographies on these guys. Menand does a great job synthesizing other events and people of the era into a concrete story of what pragmatism is about.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:57 PM
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19. The Clinton Wars and the Radical Center
nt
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 02:24 PM
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29. I'm almost finished with "The Radical Center".
I recommend it, it provides some interesting proposals. I like the part on affirmative action.

What are your thoughts?
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 02:43 PM
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38. Still am reading it
nt
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:59 PM
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20. Just finished 'Weapons of Mass Deception'...
and let my right wing tool of a brother borrow it. Now, let's see if he actually reads it.

Now I'm reading Jon Krakauer's 'Under the Banner of Heaven'.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 02:03 PM
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22. I just read
Edited on Sun Oct-19-03 02:04 PM by in_cog_ni_to
"Big Lies" by Joe Conason. I am TRYING to get through Hatfields "Fortunate Son"...his book is not as scathing toward Bush as I assumed it was going to be---he seems much too kind toward the asshole....I'm about halfway through it. I already read Franken's book "Lies" I started "Clinton Wars" by Blumenthal and had to set it aside...it was waaaaaaaaaay to detailed to hold my interest....I'll get back to it sometime soon though. I've read Will Pitt's books..GREAT....those are a must read "The Greatest Sedition is Silence: Four Years in America" and "War on Iraq" with Scott Ritter. I've read more political books by Begala..."It's the Economy Stupid". Arianna Huffington's book..."Pigs at the Trough". I thought they were all good.

Here's some links to William Pitt's books.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1893956385/qid=1066589882/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-3790115-9450343?v=glance&s=books

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0745320104/qid=1066589882/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/104-3790115-9450343?v=glance&s=books

William Rivers Pitt also has this book out but, I haven't gotten to it yet. :( Sorry Will!
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1893956490/qid=1066589882/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/104-3790115-9450343?v=glance&s=books
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 02:07 PM
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23. I Just read "Holy Blood, Holy Grail".
It's a book about the Priory of Sion, a French secret society who claimed to be the owners of the "Holy Grail." I'd been intrigued by this story for a while and decided to pick up the book. It was pretty dreary and dull as conspiracy lit goes, but thought provoking, I guess. Then I read a debunking site about the Priory; apparently they're a bunch of right-wing fakers. Anyways, it's still odd, fascinating stuff.
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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 02:10 PM
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24. Waging Modern War and Da Vinci Code
Bought the Clark book this morning. Tried to get the older Clark book last month but nobody was carrying it in the stores here.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 02:11 PM
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25. Waging is the older one.
Do you mean you got Winning Modern Wars?
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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 02:39 PM
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34. Da Vinci Code too
na
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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 08:40 PM
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85. Da Vinci Code, Lies ...Lying Liers ..., Clinton Wars ...,
Edited on Sun Oct-19-03 09:07 PM by SayitAintSo
Too many books... to little time :)


Love the the Da Vinci Code .... needed some serious respite from political stuff !
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RichM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 02:19 PM
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26. If you really understand Zinn, you wouldn't bother reading Clark.
In fact, if you understand Zinn, you'd see that Democrats in general are fairly useless, and are far more a part of the problem, than the solution.

Zinn demonstrates that even a personally honorable man like Jimmy Carter was unable to keep his campaign promises, & unable to challenge the Establishment in any meaningful way. Zinn was not fooled at all by a phony snake-oil salesman like Bill Clinton. Even FDR, whom Zinn acknowledges was a great political leader, emerges from Zinn's analysis as having primarily succeeded in keeping America safe for capitalism. Zinn sees this as a kind of limited change that served, in the big picture, to avoid deeper & more long-lasting change.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 03:48 PM
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45. I love it!
Nothing so liberal like encouraging people NOT to read certain books!
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 04:05 PM
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47. no - just look closely at the politician/author's actions
Zinn revealed Carter to be not the warm-and-fuzzy liberal that conservatives loved to hate. Carter's actions showed him to be not that different from Kissinger et al.

After reading Zinn, I question everyone and everything - as you should too.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:56 AM
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156. Well
I do question everyone and everything - but my strategy for doing so doesn't include NOT reading books.

I have read Zinn BTW. Please don't tell me what I "should" or "shouldn't" do.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 09:23 PM
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152. I got both books today...
I am psyched. I haf ordered them before posting this. I will start with Clarks. I will touch Zinn's from time to time along the way.
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Grins Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 02:22 PM
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27. On my desk..

"Master of the Senate" by Caro (ALL his other books are also great!)

"The Professor and the Madman" Winchester

"Which Side Are You On?", by Geoghegan. (Actually doing a re-read of this one. Great book on American Labor. Geoghegan, a labor attorney, would be my choice for Sec. of Labor so he could stick it in the eye of corporations and RW repubs for their double dealing for decades on labor. One comment was his noting that "Dept. of Labor" is an oxymoron; it does nothing for labor, it is a tool for big business to hammer labor. He's right. BTW, my choice for Sec. of Treasury is Krugman. What fun these two would have!)

Time to also re-read "Gifts of the Jews" by Cahill. Learned a lot.

Going to get "Moneyball: The Art of Winning an Unfair Game" by Michael Lewis. Review in TNR was fascinating

Heard great comments about “The Da Vinci Code” (Brown) from girlfriend (a tip-off NOT to read it) and from many others (a tip-off that she might be right – just this once).

Will also get the Conason's, Ivins's, Franken's books.

Finishing "Secrets of Inchon", by Clark

Who said we all read the same stuff?



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Athletic Grrl Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 07:17 PM
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67. I read Moneyball (for obvious reasons) months ago.
heehee :P
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 02:22 PM
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28. Stupid White Men
I just finished it - a present from my wife.

What is in translation over here is obviously slightly out of date. And I didn't like the book too much actually.
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 02:31 PM
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31. My two most recent reads
are Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them by Al Franken and Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith by John Krakauer. The latter is about Mormonism and, for those who are inclined to think, extremism in religion and politics in general. It's a fascinating read, even if you don't know anything about Mormons. I was a bit shaken to realize I was raised in a cult and some of the programming is still with me ... or it was, until I read this book. I had an interesting discussion with the co-worker who lent it to me, who was raised Catholic, about religious baggage and how it affects our interpretations of things. And I'm more annoyed than ever with my ultra-super-wingnut mother.

For those who have never lived in Utah or been exposed to Mormonism, Under the Banner of Heaven provides some disturbing food for thought about the political aspirations of the Mormon church and the beliefs of people like Orrin Hatch and Mitt Romney. My mother thinks Karl Rove is probably LDS because he went to her high school. I've been meaning to check that out. These people fell for one of the biggest scams in history, and they're shaping your destiny.

I recently ordered Fortunate Son from buzzflash.com, and while waiting for it to arrive, I'm re-reading Integrity by Stephen Carter. I bought this book in '97 and never got into it. Topics like the nature of evil, the integrity of evil, the integrity of civil disobedience, the expedient lie, and basically the entire book takes on a whole new meaning these days. I'm wondering if the author is psychic.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:38 AM
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127. Ex-Mormon myself, and I know what you mean. Insane, IMHO.
NT!

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Cynicelle Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 02:34 PM
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32. Great topic for my first post!

I, too just finished Franken's book. I'm now engrossed in David Brock's Blinded by the Right, which I've been meaning to read for over a year.
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 02:41 PM
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36. hi
Welcome to DU :)
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 02:41 PM
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37. Oh, man!
"Blinded by the Right" is THE reason I became so involved in politics. I was absolutely shocked by what I learned. Enjoy! It's a GREAT book!
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 03:09 PM
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41. Welcome!!
:bounce:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 06:05 PM
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53. Welcome
:hi::pals::hi:
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 09:24 PM
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98. Welcome!
:grouphug:
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 11:26 PM
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110. I have wanted to read that
Out of curiosity.

Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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DeathvadeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 02:39 PM
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33. War Talk
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lysergik Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 02:44 PM
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39. Beyond Fear by Bruce Schneier
Definetly the man who needs to be appointed the next Cyber security Czar, he actually has a clue and a good head on his shoulders!

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JasonBerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 04:01 PM
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46. I have always liked Schneier, but...
Edited on Sun Oct-19-03 04:02 PM by JasonBerry
I have been a big Bruce Schneier fan ever since Applied Cryptography. I get his newsletter and the whole bit. However, words cannot express how disappointed I am to hear him talk about "licensing" users of the internet. Good choice in reading though, lysergik! I'll have to get the book.
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lysergik Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 04:05 PM
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48. Licensing..
.. would get rid of a lot of the idiots out there, like spammers, pirates, and skript kiddies.. but if they license them like they do drivers we're doomed anyhow ;)

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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 03:04 PM
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40. Let me see ...
Edited on Sun Oct-19-03 03:05 PM by tlcandie
Currently:

Hope's Edge - Frances Moore Lappe' & Anna Lappe'
The Next Diet for a Small Planet

Becoming Vegan - Brenda Davis, R.D. & Vesanto Melina, M.S., R.D.

The Best Democracy Money Can Buy - Greg Palast


Waiting to be read:

Various Juliette de Bairacli Levy's books - Traveler's Joy, Nature's Child, Common Herbs for Natural Health, etc.

World Hunger - Frances Moore Lappe', Joseph Collins, Petter Rosset
Twelve Myths

The Paranoid Style in American Politics - Richard Hofstadter

Anti-Intellectualism in American Life - Richard Hofstadter

Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them - Al Franken

Warcraft
The Last Guardian, Lord of the Clans, Day of the Dragon


To Be Ordered for Future Reading:

Will Pitt's books, some books by Zinn (you intrigued me!), Molly Ivins' books, Hightower books and possibly some others listed here!


:hi:

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 03:16 PM
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42. All The Shahs Men..by kinsner & Dude! Where's My Counrty by Moore
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 03:38 PM
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43. The Hydrogen Economy
Highly recommended.
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 03:46 PM
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44. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas -- Hunter S. Thompson
The good doctor's travel up the asphalt river into the hallucinogenic Heart of Darkness in search of the American Dream. I've read it before -- and it's even funnier and far more relevant in the Days of Smirk than the author might've imagined when he first penned it...
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 12:16 AM
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114. My son read F a L in Las Vegas last Christmas vacation with the family.
Edited on Mon Oct-20-03 12:21 AM by MissMarple
He had already memorized the movie. He was 16 at the time, and his comment was, there's a whole lot more in the book.

I haven't read the book, nor have I seen the entire movie, but I encourage independent thinking. And, it's probably best that I don't read the book or see the entire movie. :D

Just to clarify, he didn't read it with the family, he was with us on the beach(as in nothing else to do) when he read it. But, I was quite happy that he was actually reading something, anything.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:09 AM
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120. I'm reading "Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72"! Coincidence?
Or is it... the Great Magnet!

Actually, I'm kind of wigged about the parallels between the 1972 primary season and what I'm seeing right now. Nixon-McGovern all over again? Gawd I hope not.

I was this far away -> <- from e-mailing a request to HST that he return from obscurity to document the 2004 campaign, when I decided he just might have done so already. Why repeat work from 30 years ago?
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:50 PM
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138. One of My Favorite Books, Organism
I've read F&L on the Campaign Trail four times. I've never seen seen politics come alive like that, even if half of it is made up, like the part about McGovern shooting sharks from his hotel balcony.

Then there's the part that isn't made up, including the "wnadering boohoo" story and how Thompson inadvertently got Muskie so rattled in Florida that he went down in flames in the primary. And the raving letter he wrote John Chancellor. Too much.

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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 04:06 PM
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144. another book about the 72 election The Boys on the Bus
The book has a lot about how the republicans understood the new communication (television).

They put out press releases just before the evening network newscasts, and reporters felt that in order to be 'competitive they 'had' to present the release without any time to do a 'reality check.'
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Field Of Dreams Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 04:06 PM
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49. I'm currently reading "Winning Modern Wars"
n/t
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Room101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 04:09 PM
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50. The Last Empire- Gore Vidal
I would really advice you to read "War is a Force that gives us meaning"Chris Hedges and the short read of Gore Vidal's " Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace.

I just finished Dude, Where's my country- a funny and angry quick read. Although it was mostly a Chomsky-lite refresher course for us Duers.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 05:13 PM
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52. The last book...
I read was Franken's "Lies..."

Before that, I read Will Pitt's "The Greatest Sedition is Silence."
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 06:15 PM
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55. shouldnt this be in the lounge or meeting room?
but what the heck.......
Im finishing Altered Carbon by Richard K. Morgan, (cyberpunk meets detective novel) and awaitng me is Jose Saramago's latest effort, The Cave.

While in Barnes and Nobel yesterday I noted Frankens book juxtaposed between O'Reilly's and Treason (by the bitch who will remain nameless)Al seemed rather nonplussed by this.........
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shimmergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 06:23 PM
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56. Geez, I think I read fewer political books than most DUers!
I did recently read William Pitt's The Greatest Sedition is Silence, and found it excellent. The biggest surprise for me in the book was what he said about getting out of the consumer trap. (From what came before, I thought the "what to do" recommendations would center on voting and political action.) Can't pick up on all the suggestions, but it has spurred this brown-thumbed person to soon make another attempt at growing some garden food.
Of other books, I'm now reading Anne McCaffrey's The Skies of Pern, which I missed when it first came out. Always bogged down by a bunch of "required reading" for book review assignments, mostly
literary fiction. Which is not my preferred genre, but oh well. I discover some jewels in the stack occasionally.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 12:25 AM
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115. Pern and the dragons are still current?
I read those in college. Oh, so many years ago. How refreshing.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 06:25 PM
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57. Just finishing Joe Conason's "Big Lies"
I have just started the Franken book.

Stacked up at home are galleys of the upcoming Tracy Chevaliar novel, Daschle's memoir ("Like No Other Time," which, according to the Hill newspaper, contains some genuine bombshells), and a few other tidbits.

So many books, so little time...

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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 06:32 PM
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58. Nadler's biography of Spinoza
and Klemke's "A Defense of Realism," which is an examination of the metaphysics of G.E. Moore. I plan to read Deleuze's book on Spinoza soon.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 06:40 PM
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60. who has time to read books anymore:-(
it's all i can do to stay on top of the news here on DU! BUT if i had the time, i'd be reading, "sacred hoops" by phil jackson.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 06:52 PM
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62. Blinded by the Right
But that one is an old one. Good though.
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wheresthemind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 07:01 PM
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63. Dennis Kucinich Anyone?
Edited on Sun Oct-19-03 07:03 PM by wheresthemind
Read Recently:

Conscious of a Liberal - Paul Wellstone

Da Vinci Code - Dan Brown

Scarlet Letter - Nathaniel Hawthorn

Currently:

Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them - Al Franken

Coming right up:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1560255102/qid=1066607902/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/104-6264987-3934358?v=glance&n=507846">A Prayer for America - Dennis Kucinich

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0935028927/qid=1066607902/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_2/104-6264987-3934358?v=glance&n=507846">Shafted: Free Trade & America's Working Poor - Dennis Kucinich

Dude Where's My Country - Mike Moore
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dobak Donating Member (808 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 07:08 PM
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65. Dennis!!
A co-worker said that "A Prayer for America" is great!

I loved the speech!
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dobak Donating Member (808 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 07:06 PM
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64. oh man...
Just Finished

The Getaway - Jim Thompson (50's noir crime novel)

Dude, Where's my Country - Michael Moore

Winning Modern Wars - Gen. Wesley K. Clark :-)

The Crimson Petal and the White - Michael Faber (Victorian novel about a social climbing prostitute)

Mystic River - Dennis Lehane (Mystery/Thriller - basis for new movie)

Of Mice and Men - John Steinbeck

Currently Reading

Ten Days That Shook the World - John Reed (eyewitness account of the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution)

A Fierce Discontent - Michael McGerr (1870-1920's America - The Progressive Movement)

The Last Samurai - Helen DeWitt (Not the upcoming Tom Cruise movie - a novel about an eccentric single mother and her young genius kid)

Starting Soon

A People's Tragedy - Orlando Figes (The Russian Revolution)

The Grifters - Jim Thompson (50's crime novel)

Grapes of Wrath - John Steinbeck


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not much really

:-)




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Athletic Grrl Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 07:10 PM
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66. Bushwacked
preceded by Franken.
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 07:20 PM
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68. A new geological book about the Black Mts, and Mt Mitchell,
here in Western NC, about 30 miles from my house. Very, very OLD mountains they are.
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TennesseeWalker Donating Member (925 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 09:31 PM
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101. Yes, they are!
I live just up the road from you in Carter County,TN. Actually spent the day in Asheville. I was SO impressed with that city. We'll be spending a lot of time there now that I-26 is complete. Hippies everywhere! lol...can't wait to go back. A cultural center. Symphony, mountains, great bookstores....what more could you ask for. I hope Johnson City and Elizabethton can come right along behind Asheville.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 07:22 PM
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70. Cultuer, Civilization and Humanity.
An utterly horrid book--a series of lectures on the Middle East by a Middle Eastern businessman/scholar.

One of the main themes is the Middle East is behind due to it's lack of punctuality...(i'm simplifying but, you get the picture)

I have to review it...ugh.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 07:23 PM
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71. "Strapless" by Deborah Davis
John Singer Sargent and the Fall of Madame X

The story of the woman behind the painting. I need a break from politically oriented books once in a while.
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 07:25 PM
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72. Rushdie, Bach
Salman Rushdie's Midnight's Children
and a book called The Artist's Way

I'm reading Richard Bach's Illusions to my kids.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 07:26 PM
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74. I Loved Midnight's Children!!!
One of my all-time favorites!
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 08:50 PM
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88. Have you read The Satanic Verses
I've been told that Midnight's Children is his best, controversy with SV notwithstanding. So I decided to make it the first Rushdie novel I read. Have you read The Satanic Verses? If so, what did you think? How did they compare?

Thanks.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 11:22 PM
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108. I Haven't Read It, But I've Heard
That the Moor's Last Sigh(?) is supposed to be his best work.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 07:26 PM
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73. Dude, Where's My Lies?
I'm reading Moore's new book, with Franken's to follow.

Then I'll get back on my Linux studying. :D
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 07:32 PM
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75. Just Picked Up Shakespeare's Coriolanus
I believe it is about a successful general who makes a lousy Republican leader.

I just finished the Iraq War Reader, which I give highest recommendations.
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seamarq Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 07:37 PM
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76. Les Miserables
again.
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 07:57 PM
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77. Who Killed Daniel Pearl
Bernard-Henri Levy
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 08:02 PM
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78. & America's Women : Four Hundred Years of Dolls, Drudges, Helpmates, and
Heroines
Gail Collins

is on the way from Amazon (she was on Diane Rehm the other day)
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 08:36 PM
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83. Is that a good book?
I saw an interview with him on PBS and he was very interesting! He seemed like a very insightful person. Do tell, is it worth the read (and the cost of the book)?
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 04:14 PM
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147. Also good is "At Home in the World", collected writings of Daniel Pearl
It really illustrates what a gifted writer he was. Very interesting articles and show how he went about getting the right perspective on a story.
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absolutezero Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 08:11 PM
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79. i've read and reread
anything by franken
moore's stuff is good for a laugh
and as i've been saying for months...starship troopers by heinlen, not the movie adaptation (it's almost the opposite of the real book)
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 08:17 PM
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80. my "escape" is
usually through Dean Koontz or his ilk. currently Lightning. helps me forget the mess the world's in for at least a little while!
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 08:29 PM
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81. Just finished Frankin's
Latest and before that I read "The demon in the freezer"

http://cryptome.org/smallpox-wmd.htm

It is about the eradication of smallpox, and frankly, it scared me to death.
Makes me want to choke somebody that we don't have a plan for an outbreak.

Thanks to all for the tips, I gotta lotta reading to do.

Dave
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 08:33 PM
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82. "The Franklin Cover-Up"
by John De Camp, which I discovered thanks to a DU thread a month or so ago. Ritual child abuse in high Republican circles, centred upon a Nebraska S&L which was used to launder money for Iran/Contra. Ugly, ugly story.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 08:39 PM
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84. "Baudolino" by Umberto Eco
"The Clinton Wars" by Sidney Blumenthal is up next.
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 08:52 PM
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89. Island of the Day Before?
I'm just wondering if you've read that one. I haven't yet, although I have read Foucault's Pendulum.


So, so many books to read. That's not a bad quandry to be in, is it?

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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 09:11 PM
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95. For some reason, I couldn't get through it.
There are really two different stories going on. One is during a siege in Italy, and the other is set on a becalmed ship several years later. When I got caught up & interested in one, he switched to the other one.

I still have it. I may try another crack at it some day.
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bookworm65t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 10:18 PM
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106. Madam Secretary
just started...so far Albright has written this at the fifth grade level which is annoying, but I hope it picks up soon.
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 08:42 PM
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86. I am reading She Who Is
I am reading She Who Is: The Mystery of God in Feminist Theological Discourse by Elizabeth Johnson and re-reading Understanding Power by Noam Chomksy during my lunch time and day light hours. I'm re-reading JRR Toliken's The Lord of the Rings (for the fifth time, haha) at night before bed.

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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 12:31 AM
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116. So, Selwynn, are you in graduate school?
Your reading pattern seems somewhat familiar. :D
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:10 AM
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121. Negative - this is what I read for my own pleasure.
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 08:54 PM
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90. Have you seen the books listed here?
Political, non-political, most books listed here require a high-functioning mind. And you're recommending conservative coloring books? Sorry, but I'm afraid you're not even qualified to talk to people here; you're just not cognitively capable. Run along now.
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 09:29 PM
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100. Unbiased?
I think you mean toelicking :puke:
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stevebreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 08:54 PM
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91. just finidhed Krugman now I am on David Corn's
:kick:
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 09:03 PM
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93. Coulter's "Treason", O'Reilly's "Who's looking out for you?"
...just kidding!

Moore hits #1, O'Liely stays at #2, Franken drops to #3...

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/26/books/bestseller/1026besthardnonfiction.html
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The_Gopher Donating Member (857 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:29 PM
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135. and o'lielly wasn't even in the top 10 in the Post's area list
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 09:05 PM
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94. PATTERN RECOGNITION
Gibson
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 09:16 PM
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96. In the middle of Waging Modern War and Lies
Edited on Sun Oct-19-03 09:17 PM by Clark Can WIN
Have copy of Winning Modern War but won't let myself start it till I finish the first.

Read the first page of a brilliant book on European and American world views but have to ask friend what the book was, should have written it down.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 09:22 PM
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97. Dude, Where's My Country?
Edited on Sun Oct-19-03 10:06 PM by pbl
Guerrilla Learning by Grace Llewellyn and Amy Silver

Chronicles of the Crusades

Waiting to be Read:

Franken's Lies

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TennesseeWalker Donating Member (925 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 09:29 PM
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99. "Everything you know is WRONG"
"Dude, Where's my country?"
"Why people believe weird things"
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StopThief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 09:43 PM
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103. Atlas Shrugged ! ! !
I don't think anyone can call themselves a true liberal until they have analyzed and dismissed the teachings of Ayn Rand.
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 10:05 PM
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105. Personally, I don't think Rand had it ALL wrong
I think she refused to see shades of gray that exist in the real world, but I enjoyed Atlas Shrugged waybackwhen. The book did lack an element of compassion.

I do, however, believe that conservatives have hijacked that particular work. I cannot help but think that Ms. Rand wouldn't approve of those who are carrying her banner today.

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RichM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 12:04 AM
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112. I agree. One of the social types Rand hated worst were the "looters"
whose economic function was exploiting connections to whore for government contracts. That is practically the definition of Bushism. Rand admired genuine productiveness (though her concept of this was somewhat cartoonish & naive). She hated unearned rewards -- again, a defining characteristic of Bushism, & of Shrubbie himself.
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:19 AM
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124. I used to think Virtue of Selfishness was the best book ever...
..but for very different reasons that the reasons why I strongly disagree with it now.

A strong sense of uncompromising self is what I was attracted to in that and in the Foundatinhead. However, Rand's ideas "alturism" and your all or nothing fanatical approach to capitalism quickly turned me off.

The lynch-pin was when she attempted to philosophically codify her ideas, and they were so scathingly and rightfully critqued into oblivion.

Don't misunderstand, that wasn't my attempt to take a cheap shot and say anyone who likes Rand is an idiot. I meant that if you ask any philospher, they'll tell you that Rand was a much better literary figure that she was a systematic thinker. Her philosophical arguments were pretty vulnerable to solid critque (specifically in terms of logical coherance), but literarily she wrote quite well, and make some true and important obersvations I think. I still appreciate the Foundtainhead to this day for what it was - not the final answer to the world but a healthy starting point for a young college kid (back when I read it) struggling to become his own man.
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 09:54 PM
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104. Here's a list
The ones I'm currently reading. I'm finished with Big Lies, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, Bushwacked, and Franken's Book

Big Lies: The Right-Wing Propaganda Machine and How It Distorts the Truth Joe Conason

Bushwhacked: Life in George W. Bush's America Molly Ivins

The Best Democracy Money Can Buy: The Truth About Corporate Cons, Globalization and High-Finance Fraudsters Greg Palast

What Liberal Media? The Truth About Bias and the News Eric Alterman

Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right Al Franken

Thieves in High Places: They've Stolen Our Country--And Its Time to Take It Back Jim Hightower

We're Right, They're Wrong: A Handbook for Spirited Progressives James Carville

I just ordered the following books that I will get some time next week

Buck Up, Suck Up . . . and Come Back When You Foul Up : 12 Winning Secrets from the War Room
By: James Carville , Paul Begala

Dude, Where's My Country?
By: Michael Moore

The Radical Center: The Future of American Politics
By: Ted Halstead, Michael Lind

Stupid White Men ...and Other Sorry Excuses for the State of the Nation!
By: Michael Moore

The Greatest Sedition Is Silence: Four Years in America
By: William Rivers Pitt

The Lies of George W. Bush: Mastering the Politics of Deception
By: David Corn

It's Still the Economy, Stupid : George W. Bush, The GOP's CEO
By: Paul Begala

The Great Unraveling: Losing Our Way in the New Century
By: Paul Krugman

Shrub : The Short but Happy Political Life of George W. Bush
By: Molly Ivins, Lou Dubose

The Clinton Wars
By: Sidney Blumenthal

Blinded by the Right: The Conscience of an Ex-Conservative By: David Brock

The Bush Dyslexicon: Observations on a National Disorder
By: Mark Crispin Miller

Our Flag, Too: The Paradox of Patriotism
By: William Rivers Pitt, Pitt Rivers William (not yet published)

These are on my wish list in the event I ever get through all the books I've already ordered!!


The Woman Who Wouldn't Talk by Susan McDougal, et al

The Hunting of the President: The Ten-Year Campaign to Destroy Bill and Hillary Clinton by Joe Conason, Gene Lyons

Had Enough? : A Handbook for Fighting Back by James Carville

Pigs at the Trough: How Corporate Greed and Political Corruption Are Undermining America by Arianna Huffington

Is Our Children Learning? : The Case Against George W. Bush by Paul Begala

Wealth and Democracy: A Political History of the American Rich by Kevin Phillips

Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace by Gore Vidal

Who Will Tell The People? : The Betrayal Of American Democracy by William Greider

The Politics of Meaning: Restoring Hope and Possibility in an Age of Cynicism by Michael Lerner

Globalization and Its Discontents by Joseph E. Stiglitz

Weapons of Mass Deception: The Uses of Propaganda in Bush's War on Iraq by Sheldon Rampton, John C. Stauber

War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn't Want You to Know by William Rivers Pitt, Scott Ritter (Contributor)

Living History by Hillary Rodham Clinton

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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 11:25 PM
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109. I read three or four a week
These last two weeks, I have read:

The Jungle, by Upton Sinclair
Slaughterhouse Five, by Kurt Vonnegut
Golapagos, by Kurt Vonnegut
Cat's Cradle, by Kurt Vonnegut
Breakfast of Champions, by Kurt Vonnegut
1984, by George Orwell
Animal Farm, by George Orwell


Tomorrow I will be reading Bushwacked, by Molly Ivans (an autographed copy).
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 11:36 PM
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111. "Oh the Things I know"
hilarious. Plus, The Nation, It Takes a Village, Irish Voice and Organized Labor in America.
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BackDoorMan Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 12:46 AM
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117. Rule By Secrecy..
by Jim Marrs,

Stop Bush in 2004, How Every Citizen Can Help...
by Michael John Dobbins
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VeniceBeat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 01:13 AM
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118. "Road Mangler Deluxe"
Edited on Mon Oct-20-03 01:21 AM by VeniceBeat
by Phil Kaufman (with Colin White)

Notorious "Executive Nanny" to the Stones, Gram Parsons, Emmylou Harris and a bunch of other famous folk. Quite a character.

The upcoming film "Gram Theft Parsons" is based on one of his adventures.

A quick, entertaining read.

It might help keep some heads here from exploding due to information overload! :)



Also recently finished "Little Boy Blue" by Edward Bunker (Tarantino gave him, pictured above, a role in "Reservoir Dogs.") It's a riveting fictionalized memoir of a Los Angeles "Juvenile Delinquent" in the 40's. Bunker wrote it while in prison.

edited to remove gigantic JPEG
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:12 AM
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122. Al Fanken and the politics of the Manhattan Project
Two books in progress:

Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right

Brotherhood of the Bomb : The Tangled Lives and Loyalties of Robert Oppenheimer, Ernest Lawrence and Edward Teller
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preciousdove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:15 AM
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123. Wolf Pass follow up to The Wheat Field
Edited on Mon Oct-20-03 02:16 AM by preciousdove
Steve Thayer is my cousin and I needed fiction to balance DU. I don't have to worry that his art would imitate reality. :smoke:

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:25 AM
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125. Too many for my pocketbook and not enough for my brain!
Within the last six months:

Jim Hightower - Thieves In High Places: They've Stolen Our Country And It's Time To Take It Back
Paul Krugman - The Great Unraveling
Joe Conason - Big Lies
Al Franken - Lies And The Lying Liars Who Tell Them: AFABLATR
J.H. Hatfield - Fortunate Son
Ted Rall - To Afghanistan And Back
Mark Crispin Miller - The Bush Dyslexicon
Greg Palast - The Best Democracy Money Can Buy
Joe Ronson - Them

Uh, a lot more, but those are the main politically-oriented ones. Oh, also, Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix :P

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:37 AM
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126. Just started Winning Modern Wars
By General Wesley Clark... Just finished page 17.....I'm not a war woman by nature...so it's not going to be easy reading....

What Liberal Media? The Truth About Bias and the News Eric Alterman
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 03:35 AM
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128. I stick to, uh, political classics

To cheer me up, William Sherman's Memoirs. And some of Grant's. The real life crushing of the neo-Confederate political movement in our lifetime is going to take a while longer, so it's good to keep in mind how it was done the first time. :-)

My last political read was Pat Buchanan's The Death of the West. It is unreadable and makes no sense until you figure out that he was flown in by a time-travelling UFO and is actually a confused 'Christianized' Celtic cheftain from eighth century Scotland. Then it seems very explicable and is mostly a demonstration that the conservative mind (such as it is) is all smoke, no fire. You ain't seen emotional associationism and silly appeals to authority until you've gotten a load of this...book. So many problems to contemplate, so many foolish solutions to supply. To think that trees died and ink was used up for it to be printed is to be pained at such waste of ink and trees.

Bit by bit, Dag Hammarskjold's Vagmarken (Signs Along The Way). A forgotten book, and difficult, and beautiful in a haunted way.
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 04:07 AM
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129. a few in process
Read the first few essays in Said's Musical Elaborations, will probably finish the final one tonight.

Started on Arendt's The Human Condition mostly because I promised myself to read Arendt and more Levinas before returning to Iriragay, but I'm really enjoying it and will probably now want to read Arendt in the original, and Kristeva on Arendt, and more Kristeva. So this is slow going, longterm.

Just picked up Metanoetics by Tanabe Hajime. I have a thing for the Kyoto school, and this may be more relevant than some of the Dogen studies which interest me but in all honesty are a bit rarified.

Valis by Philip K. Dick which was recommended to me by a DUer--actually I stalled reading it because maybe it was too close to home, or just oddly distracting. Anyway, very stimulating. I should get back into it.

On the crapper there's the Yoga Philosophy of Patañjali which is the kind of book that requires many sittings.
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Native Donating Member (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 10:13 AM
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130. Finishing up with Franken's latest . . .
and just started Dude, Where's My Country? this morning while on the treadmill. Looks like Franken's book (though good) will be set aside until I'm finished with Moore's. I am completely hooked.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 10:57 AM
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132. Enemy Alien (about ashcroft's antics vis a vis immigrants), Franken,
Guns, Germs, and Steel, Seeing in the Dark, the lies of GWB are the last five:

The reccomendations:

Franken is a natch.

Enemy Alien is a little dry, but makes an air-tight and horrifying case that ashkkroft and other wing nuts in the admin. are using 9-11 to try to undo 200 years of our basic tenent that welcoming people from other nations is key to our culture's success.

GG&S, a study of how environmental factors determined which civilizations ended up being powers--is the most interesting book I've read in 6 mo.

Seeing in the Dark is an expensive book. I guarantee you'll wind up
buying a telescope after you read it. Before I picked it up off a friend's coffee table and started reading, I couldn't have cared less about astronomy--but Ferris does such a terrific of explaining the mysteries of the universe I was hooked by the time i put the book down. Also, astronomy is probably the only democratic science left--people with cheap scopes in their backyards are contibuting hugely important research.

I was a little disapointed by Lies of GWB, maybe because i read it just after franken--Korn doesn't break much new ground, and I've never found his prode to be particularly interesting. I'd buy it if I needed lots of ammo to do battle against repugs.
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Liberator_Rev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:28 PM
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134. Here's what I've been enjoying:
Greg Palast's US paperback edition of "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" (which might be called, the news Americans need but can't get in America).

David Stannard, "American Holocaust" on how we European Christians got America real cheap, by killing off the prior owners.

Hyram Maccoby, The Mythmaker on how Paul of Tarsus hijacked Christianity without "the Church" knowing it

Peter DeRosa, "The Vicars of Christ" on those who replace Jesus Christ by calling themselves his "Vicars."

John Cornwell, "Hitler's Pope" (on Pope Pius XII role in the Jewish Holocaust)

Gordon Zahn, "German Catholics and Hitler's Wars" (on the role of the German Catholic hierarchy in the rise of the NAZI monstrosity.)

You can get a good feel for several of the above by checking out the following web pages I've designed to promote the great points they make :
http://www.LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/AmericanHolocaust
http://www.LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/PopesvsChrist &
http://www.LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/RCscandal

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The_Gopher Donating Member (857 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:30 PM
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136. Tom Tomorrow "Modern World" collection
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 03:05 PM
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140. a room with a book
I have a book in every room, can't stick to one,
in the bathroom, Power Politics & Culture,interviews with Edward Said
in the livingroom, Culture Matters, Harrison & Huntington.
in the bedroom, the protestant ethic and spirit of capitalism,Weber.
in the office, the molecular biology of hepatitis B virus.

*need to get some books on tape for the kitchen!
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spindoctor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:37 PM
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137. "A history of corporate governance" by Paul Frentrop
I guess that makes me the odd one out for sure. :D
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Catholic Sensation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:54 PM
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139. hmm
Dude, Where's My Country - Michael Moore
Tai Chi Chuan for Beginners
Downsize This! - Michael Moore
Right to be Hostile - Aaron McGruder
The Tao of Bruce Lee
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 03:10 PM
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141. Bwahahhaa I can't believe there is a "deleted message" post in this thread
Proof that we will get pissed off about anything! :D


New Post, Subject: I love you!

I love you!
===Go to hell (nt)
=======Screw you (nt)
===========Clark over Dean!
================Screw you!
===You're stupid
====== NO YOU stoopid!
============You're a "MORAN"


Sigh... I love this place. :D
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 03:43 PM
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142. "The Bush Dyslexicon" and "The Betrayal of America"
by Mark Crispin Miller and Vincent Bugliosi, respectively.

I occasionally look back at Shrub by Molly Ivins and Lou Dubose, and that perennial favorite, Rush Limbaugh Is A Big Fat Idiot, by some shrill fellow whose name I can't recall... ;-)

In the non-political field, I'm reading a couple of books on architecture, and a few books about music production. I rarely read one book at a time...
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 04:09 PM
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145. random
Night Comes to the Cretaceous
James Powell
Good introductory explanation of the controversy over the Cretaceous-Tertiary mass extinction, with a lot of good bits about the troubled foundations of Geology as a science.

Under the Banner of Heaven
Jo(n/hn) Krakauer
Crazy Fundamentalist Mormons Are Coming to Eat America! (and they killed the dinosaurs, too.) Worth a read if you (like me) don't know a damn thing about Utah, the foundations of the Mormon faith, or fundamentalist polygamist crazies.

Hell's Angel's
Hunter Thompson
A different sort of lunatics from the ones in Krakauer's book. Very very funny. Well, it's Thompston - either you love it... or you don't.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 04:13 PM
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146. Benjamin Franklin: An American Life
By Walter Isaacson.

With all the hooplah about returning to Founding Fathers values, I thought I should reread a bunch of stuff with a more interested mind than I had in college.

It is so amazing how the Bush administration is so far away from what our Founding Fathers envisioned for America.

Shrubbie never read any of it. It is so obvious.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 04:21 PM
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148. I would suggest...
the Federalist Papers as well.

http://tinyurl.com/rngy
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 04:33 PM
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149. Thanks.
It's on my list.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 04:57 PM
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150. Unfortunatly, she was also wired for sound
"reading" an old Doonesbury book.
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:03 PM
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151. Branded T
It's by my friend Roz. It's about her experiences with sex, drugs, recovery, and her transition from the male identity she was assigned at birth to the woman that she always has been.

Click Here
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 09:48 PM
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155. I'm reading mounds and piles of professional books and journals.
And a stack of kids' books for my classroom.

And when I reach for something else, at the moment it's escapist fiction. My brain is tired and needs something light.
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ma4t Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 10:46 AM
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157. my answers
Usually I'm reading more than one book at a time so the ones I'm working on now or have recently finished are:

1.Leyte, this is one of the final volumes of History of U.S. Naval Operations in WWII, by Samuel Elliot Morrison
2. The Teeth of the Tiger, by Tom Clancy
3. John Adams, by David McCullough
4. Useful Idiots, by Mona Charon
5. Mathemetics, Queen and Servant of Science, by E.T. Bell

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TXDemGal Donating Member (600 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 10:49 AM
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158. Franken and Krugman. nfm
nfm
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FightinNewDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 10:59 AM
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159. On the Nightstand
* "The Man Who Was Ireland", by Tim Pat Coogan, a biography of Eammon DeValera, the controversial long-time president of Ireland. It's a companion volume to "The Man Who Made Ireland", a biography of DeValera's archrival, Michael Collins.

* A collection of short stories by Edgar Allen Poe; perfect pre-Haloween reading!

* Some enthralling material on New Hampshire probate and procedure (needless to say, work related).

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Petrodollar Warfare Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 11:00 AM
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160. Project Censored 2004 and Behind the War on Terror
I just finished reading this book (I wrote story #19 - so I am somewhat biased ;-)....

'Censored 2004: The Top 25 Censored Stories'
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1583226052/qid=1066751826/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/104-2889161-5755958

...and this book comes out next week, should be excellent...

'Behind The War On Terror: Western Secret Strategy and the Struggle for Iraq'
By Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed

http://www.newsociety.com/News/bwot.html

Introduction to Behind the War on Terror:
http://www.newsociety.com/News/bwot_intro.html

...lastly, I picked up Michael Moore's book this weekend (Dude, Where's my Country?') for 'light reading' - but it's a good read too..

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0446532231/qid=1066751949/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/104-2889161-5755958
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BushWhacker Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 11:02 AM
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161. Harry Turtledove
A walk in Hell Good look at what would have happened had the great war been different.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 11:45 AM
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162. Power Play Sharon Beder
Only got through the first chapter...devastating and a must-read


Power Play:
The fight for control of the world's electricity
by Sharon Beder


The book's outline and review links...
http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/sbeder/power.html

It is good...

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_Wayne_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 12:20 PM
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163. Looking over at my nightstand...
Just finished:

"Blinded by the Right" -David Brock

"Beloved" -Toni Morrison

"Working in Hollywood" -Alexandra Brouer

"Chroncicle of a Death Foretold" -Gabriel Garcia Marquez

"Bagombo Snuff Box" -Kurt Vonnegut

"What Liberal Media?" -Eric Alterman



Currently Reading:

"The Clinton Wars" -Sidney Blumenthal

"Lies" -Al Franken

"Roger Ebert's Movie Yearbook 2003" -Roger Ebert


Would like to read:

Bushwhacked, Krugman, Clark


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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 09:41 PM
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164. Are Micheal Moore books credible?
There are a lot of people that don't think so.
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