Michael Moore praised at conservative college - favors Clark, Dean...

[wyldwolf]

...and challenged young people of the conservative college to affect change by getting involved with the Democratic Party!

Some people have criticized Butler (College) for having him,” Fong said. “I did not find his remarks to be extreme or hyperbolic. I found it thoughtful in many ways.”

Moore challenged young people to affect change by getting involved with the Democratic Party and by expressing their views to the presidential candidates before they decide on their policies.

“Democracy is not a spectator sport,” he said.

While Moore does not currently endorse any of the democratic candidates, he favors Wesley Clark and Howard Dean. He says he is not of the “anyone but Bush camp,” but rather the “anyone but Lieberman camp.”

Did say "we need to throw the (spinless) democrats out of office.

I know a few I'd like replaced.



http://www.sagamore.iupui.edu/33_10/features/controversialFilmmaker.html

OK! Before someone states otherwise, Moore obviously doesn't back Bush. But he is for any of the democrats ACCEPT Lieberman.

[pruner]

1. former Yale chaplain says Anyone But Bush or Lieberman (whom he knew)

Former Yale chaplain passionate as ever

Randall Beach, Register Staff
10/19/2003

NEW HAVEN — In the autumn of his years, the Rev. William Sloane Coffin spends many afternoons admiring Vermont’s flaming fall foliage from his back porch, but he still ventures out to seek "potential converts" for his cause of peace and justice.

These days, he notes, that cause seems as important as when he was being arrested for leading opposition to the war in Vietnam.

Coffin, the former Yale University chaplain (1958-75) who inspired students during anti-war protests in the 1960s, came back to New Haven this past week to rejoin his former colleagues in the civil rights and peace movements.

<snip>

He also criticized today’s college students, churches and U.S. Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, D-Conn. (whom Coffin knew when Lieberman was a Yale undergraduate) for not doing more to oppose the war.

<snip>

He said his favorite Democratic candidate for the presidential nomination is another Vermonter, the state’s former governor, Howard Dean.

"But any Democrat, except Joe Lieberman, would be a vast improvement over George Bush," Coffin added.

http://www.newhavenregister.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1281&dept_id=7576&newsid=10342939&PAG=461&rfi=9

[LittleApple81]

2. I bet you mean except Lieberman in your last line n/t

[Resistance Is Futile]

3. Except

But he is for any of the democrats ACCEPT Lieberman.

Except. He does not accept Lieberman.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

4. Great article! I enjoyed it. Thanks for posting it.

[Freddie Stubbs]

5. And we all know that Moore is good at picking presidential candidates

He made such a great choice back in 2000.

[wyldwolf]

6. Fortunately, Moore nor anyone else "picks" the candidate...

...the voters (if we're lucky) do that.

However, Moore can back and endorse whoever he wants.

And, considering he is much more well known and influential than he was in 2000, I for one am glad he had chosen to back the democratic party.

I won't dismiss anyone'e assistance.

[muchacho]

7. cry baby

Waaaaa! Nader's mean waaaaaaaa!

Moore supported him waaaa!

The Dems dug their own hole. Get over it.

[JackSwift]

10. Seems to me the Greens have dug their own hole too

and keep on digging it. I'd ask Greens to get over themselves, but narcissism is incurable.

[Zhade]

14. No, the Republicans stole the shovels and dug the hole.

That's why we should NEVER get over the illegal coup that happened in 2000.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

27. and from what I know the GOP bought shovels for Nader

and Moore is no good chooser of candidates based on 2000.

[mrbill]

28. "shovels for nader"

we're down the rabbit hole here.

is this more of that nader/moore cult stuff?

[dad]

25. .

Yes, he did!

[gristy]

8. Three things I like about this article

1. Moore was well-received at a reportedly conservative College, and this fact was reported!

2. Moore does not currently endorse any of the democratic candidates, but he favors Wesley Clark and Howard Dean. This kind of position makes a lot of sense to me. I may adopt it myself.

3. I really like how Moore's "agenda" is described: Like a politician, Moore has a definite agenda: defeat President George W. Bush in 2004, bring peace to Iraq and the Middle East, protect civil liberties that are being threatened by the Patriot Act and kick all of the "party hacks" - and he doesn't mean republicans - out of office.

I gotta get his new book.

[pruner]

9. "party hacks" = "cockroaches"

n/t

[Jeff002]

11. Bush is good for Moore's business, he helped elect him in 2000

Look, why fall for Moore's BS. He rationalised electing Bush in 2000. He called anyone who expressed concern over the potential threat to civil rights, social justice the stacking of the supreme court liars and cowards. He's a multi-millionaire who isn't feeling any pain, and I don't think he should be let off the hook for his hypocrisies and lies of 2000. His latest book is titled "Dude, Where's my Country", my answer is, dude, it's still lodged in your crack from when you wiped your ass with it in 2000.

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[Ridley Park 704]

13. at least Moore is trying to make amends, admitting he fugged up.

He didn't support Al Gore in 2004 but if he could go back in time I think he'd kiss Gore's ass on election day 2000.

He just had to make a lot of noise back then, secretly hoping Gore would win anyway by a landslide. That way he'd have the best of both worlds. Having Gore as the President while not seeming to kowtow to him.

It was a gamble, and he and the rest of the Greens lost by getting a turkey as president instead.

[jiacinto]

18. Moore knew what he was doing

And frankly I have yet to see him admit that he was wrong at all. Maybe if he actually aplogized to Gore and his family I would respecdt him again.

Moore's "gamble" has sent this country years, if not decades. Yet people still worship this man like a God.

[mrbill]

26. michael moore is the anti-christ

Would this apology to Gore & family have to be on national tv or what?

I'm sure that Michael Moore loses sleep worrying about your lack of respect for him and would want to rectify this situation. Why don't you email him with your concerns?

"Gamble"? That's a new tact. Will look forward to more of this drivel in the future.

"Has sent this country years, if not decades"? Sent the country where? This is very unclear. Left to assume that you mean it's all Moore's fault that the county is going to hell in a handbasket.

"Worship as a G*d? What religion would this be? Just because people might say "right on, michael" doesn't make him a g*d. Maybe the trickster in native american myth?

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[Zhade]

15. BUSH WAS NOT ELECTED.

I know, I know, a coup d'etat is such a niggling detail, but hey, I'm a perfectionist.

[jiacinto]

16. Good post

Too bad that other DUers will go to the most extreme lengths to rationalize and to defend Moore.

[Iverson]

20. clarify, please

Does defending Moore against comments like "wiping the country from the crack of his ass," mean that the defender worships him like a god or goes to any extreme lengths?

I'm trying to figure out where so fair minded an arbiter draws the line, or whether the point is to ensure that there's no line of defense at all.

[charlie]

21. You'll get your answer in the forthcoming book

Extreme Extremists and the Extreme Lengths They Go to Annoy Me, from the same people who brought you Politics On a Shoestring: 10 Cut and Paste Responses for Every Occasion.

[Iverson]

22. gadzooks! how about these?

Chicken Soup for the Whig's Soul

Drifting Rightward for Dummies

[charlie]

24. Thanks!

I'll be burning the midnight oil with those fer sure, just as soon as I'm done with The DLC Cookbook: 1001 Attractive Recipes for Mush.

[oasis]

17. Gotta have more Moore. He can communicate and convert.

[jiacinto]

19. Or alienate and offend

nt

[Q]

23. Moore probably offends NeoDems...

...more than anyone else.

- Some people just don't seem to understand that it's a bad idea to trash those who are helping to expose the criminality of the Bush* regime. This helps everyone.

[KG]

29. MM offends conservatives of all stripes

so, what else is new? :boring:

[paulk]

30. I have mixed feelings about Michael Moore

I enjoyed "Roger and Me" and "Bowling for Columbine" very much, still, I recognize propaganda when I see it. On the other hand, with the right wing media's disinformation machine attacking us every day, it's good to have a bomb thrower like Mr. Moore out there. So even while I sometimes disagree with his tactics, I ultimately support what he does.

It is valid, however, to note that Michael Moore makes a lot of money from his endevours, and to question his motives.

Another thing I have to question is his political conviction - it seems strange to me that he would go from supporting the most leftist candidate in the last election, Ralph Nader, to favoring two of the more conservative Democratic candidates in this election. I can get no clear picture of where he actually stands, politically, from this.