I need to rant.

[Mari333]

I am a mother, Im 52 years old, my son is in the National Guard, and they wont let him go because the National Guard has put a stoploss on all reservists and Guardsmen and women who are legally supposed to be discharged when their time is up. They might send him overseas on Friday.
Im mad. Of course Im mad. Im a mother.
Let me tell you what being a mother is. If you dont know. It begins with having a child. You are a young girl, (I was only 27), and you give birth. wow....what a birth..my son took 38 hours of hard labour to give birth to. He weighed almost 9 lbs,
he was so beautiful..I dont care how much pain it was now, he was worth it..wanna know about him? he was so cute..he had fat cheeks and a smart little mind...he knew the alphabet by the time he was 14 months old..I taught him..his name is Bobby
He was so cute..he called all animals FEEFAWS...what a little bundle of laughs he was..I tried to teach him compassion...it worked..he had such a good heart, he saved so many animals from being hurt by other kids..he saved so many small animals, brought them home and asked me to save them..he fought once, when he was 5, a group of small boys who tried to kill a toad..he actually fought for a toad...wouldnt let anyone hurt it.
Bobby grew up and I watched him as a little boy...he played in a neighborhood with other little boys..he was taught , by me, to be kind, but of course he played hard games..like boys do..he played sandlot baseball, and he told me once "Mom...baseball is more fun when its just us kids...forget the adults around, they ruin it...Its more fun when they are just kids"
Ya they were kids, all my boys...Bobby was too..he was named after his dad...he lost his dad when he was 11, his dad wad killed in a horrible accident at work..
I pretty much raised him..I did the best I could to raise all three of the boys, and I tried to teach them one thing...kindness, compassion, and empathy...maybe I should have taught them something else...
Dont trust the US government.
I did try that. I showed them the movies, Apocalypse Now, Born on the 4th of July, every anti war movie I could show them.
They all knew what I was doing. I showed them what Vietnam was, I did everything I could .
When Bobby was in High School he protected a gay kid here from being beaten up in school. I like to think that came from me teaching him, as a kid, always to protect the underdog, always to stand up for what is right.
Thats why, when , a few years ago, when Clinton was in office, I was called by Bobby and he said "Hey Mom...I joined the National Guard..I want to help."
He knew I didnt trust the military, but in his mind, he felt it was the kind, and the good thing to do. He assured me "Hey Mom..Ill be able to help the people here in Michigan...fight forest fires, protect us"..
Ranting away here.
sorry.
Now, hes supposed to be OUT of the Guard. Legally, he is supposed to leave the Guard on November 17.
Who would have ever thought that an illegal bastard by the name of Bush would be now on the verge of murdering my son, and not allowing him to be discharged on his due date???
Who would have ever thought I , as a mom, who watched my little boy grow into a man of Integrity, a man, despite the horrible death of his own father, still became of man of decency and kindness and compassion and NOW, because of some FRAT BOY WHO WANTS TO MAKE MONEY FOR HIS FRIENDS
is being allowed to murder not only our sons and daughters in this war, but will possibly send MY son to be murdered and die in some godforsaken place.
Yes, I rant. Im tired. I have 25 years of watching my son grow into a man of decency, kindness, and goodness. I also know that on Oct 24, he will lose his right to be discharged, and be deployed to god knows where.
For what. For what. A spoiled Frat Boy with no Intregrity and NO compassion who will murder him for money and his corporate friends?
Flame away.
Im mad. I am very mad.
I gave birth, I raised a wonderful young man.
No one, I mean NO ONE, has a right to take him from me.
end of Mothers rant.

[lindashaw]

1. My heart is with you. I understand.

[Mari333]

2. ya what am I supposed to do now

watch him go on Friday???
say goodbye? never see him again??? Oh ya....never see him again how many of us have been thru that
I have 3 choices
1. stand in front of the WH with my sons picture and scream
2. stand firm and help my son by being there for him and working to get him out (which is what Ive been doing)
3. get drunk all day, and sleep.
the 3rd option, at my age is getting close to being the best. I might even get drunk enough to get some publicity....hows this
I will set myself on fire in front of the WH with gasoline....if they dont let him go..
orrrrrr there is always a hunger strike..I am not kidding..
I will do it. I will do it.
If
Bush
Kills
My
Son
I
Will
Be
Bush's
Worst
Nightmare.




Im serious.

[Tatiana]

18. I'm so sorry

I mean, they are only words, but for what it's worth, I'm so so sorry. I'm in tears. It's awful. War is awful. Unnecessary war is even more shameful.

All those senseless deaths.

I swear, some days I don't know how we make it to another day with all the evil that goes on... blatant evil right in front of our faces! And no one cares. No one does anything.

The evil people continue to win.

The emperor has no clothes and we continue to commend him on his fine wardrobe.

Damn, if I weren't babysitting 4 kids, I'd have myself a drink right now.

[alcuno]

19. Mari, mothers "get" it. I will pray for your son and for you.

He sounds like a wonderful young man and you appear to be doing what he needs you to do. I'm so sorry that this is happening to you and so many families and I wish I could do more.

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[Mari333]

8. MEN??? those assholes in power???

They are not MEN....No MAN advocates WAR and lies...Bush is NOT a man...hes a little turd...hes not a man.
Hes a spoiled brat, and if I were his mother I would slap the shit out of him.


The people in charge of the country are little f*cking brats. Im an old woman..these little bastards need a good f*cking kick by some REAL moms....Im a REAL mom....
Im mad. sorry...I might lose my son. NO MOTHER SHOULD LOSE HER CHILD
IM MAD
a real man is kind...a real man holds a child in his arms and smiles with gentlekindness...a real man is good, and isnt afraid to be compassionate and empathatic..a real man knows that in ones weakness, one finds their strength.


There are no actual adult men running this country.
The only people in charge of this country are infants, spoiled infants.

[Deja Q]

11. I agree!!!

Every time a man is in power, that man or some other man does something mean and nasty.

I say, herd up all the male leaders and lock 'em up and put REAL women in charge for a while, say for 10 years. Hillary comes to mind as does a lot of my co-workers.

No, that wasn't sarcasm.

[stevedeshazer]

33. I hope you don't really mean that.

It's not about men, it's about right and wrong.

[DerekG]

59. Not to spoil things for you, Hypno..

Hillary is one of the pieces of shit who sent our children, our babies, to die in Iraq.

F@#k her.

[liberalhistorian]

20. Here's another hug from another mother,

I'm a single parent of a 12-year old boy who has promised me that he'll never go into the military despite what his fucking freeper father wants, but you never know! He's my only child, he'll be my only child, and we're extremely close.

I simply cannot imagine going through what you're going through right now. I won't be patronizing and say I know how you feel, because I don't. My son isn't preparing to leave with the possibility of him being killed and never seeing him again, and I'm not sure I could handle it it he were. But, as a mother of a son, I do have at least some idea of where you're coming from, and I wish I were able to be there in person for you. We're all here for you whenever you need us. And please keep us updated on what is happening.

[Timefortruth]

72. Shoot him in the foot.

Accidentally.

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[Lilith Velkor]

62. Yes, we must be protected from those evil femi-nazis

by making sure all our policies are dictated by dittoheads...oh wait...nevermind.

[in_cog_ni_to]

4. My heart breaks for you!

I have a 10 year old boy. I can imagine your fear. :(

Can you get an attorney to help you, maybe? Get some legal advice. If he's suppose to be released from duty, an attorney may help. If that doesn't help...pack your son's bags and get him the hell outta dodge. I cannot believe they will not release Bobby from duty. These people are wicked! Cruel, wicked assholes!

[Mari333]

31. We have used attorneys we have used Carl Levins office

we have used the GI Rights hotline, we have sent letters to the unit we have used everything
Its now at this point....his unit will be sent to the Middle East, a National Guard unit from Michigan. some will be sent to Camp Atterbury in Indiana....where they go from there, no one knows..
This is an ad hoc draft of men and women IN the units who are NOT being allowed their legal discharges
This is about Bush and his buddies saving face and spinning their LIES
This is about killing OUR kids for Haliburton and Bechtel.
THIS is about losing our sons and daughters for NOTHING>

[acmavm]

5. I can't tell you that I know how you feel, because I don't relly know. My

son is only 11. But I do know that when I can't find him, I get so scared. In fact, I've even been know to call the police when I've looked everywhere and haven't been successful. (The little rat strolled around the corner as I was making the police report.) You will have no one to call, because the people who we elect to run this country and keep you, me, and your son safe are a bunch of frontmen for the some of the greediest thugs that ever slithered the face of this earth. They are sending your son someplace we have no reason for being based on lies. I am so sorry. I feel such sympathy for women like you. The mother's of these men and boys in Iraq have to be suffering much like the mother's of the men and boys that served in Vietnam. I am old enough to have lived through that experience, and I remember it very well. But I do believe that if you, and other women like you speak up, tell these vicious greedy bastards that what they are doing is killing and maiming your sons for their own evil ends, that people will listen. Surely you have a right to rant. And again, I am so sorry.

[leftchick]

6. omg ,Mari...

:cry:.... may a miracle happen for all of you SOON!

[Clete]

7. So this is the little trick that they are going to use

to keep unwilling soldiers in the military. I am so sorry this has happened to you and with some luck he will be safe.

[speckledgator]

9. This is the first

post that made me cry. My heart is with you

[progressiverealist]

71. me too.

I have a 14 month old girl. I just can't imagine how this feels.

[liberalmuse]

10. Your anger is perfectly justified...

I wish the best for you and your son. There's no love like a parents love for their child. I would absolutely hit the roof if my child were in the same position. My heart aches for you.

I, and so many other pepole are furious that men and women are dying, and the fraud in the White House doesn't have the guts to give their loved ones a damn good reason why he has sent them into this hellhole of a war without adequate supplies and troops. The Bush administration has a lot to answer for.

[Padraig18]

12. Grrrrrrrrrrrr!

I am sooooooooooooooooooo sorry, Mari333!:hug:

I hate everyone of those despicable, soulless, crypto-fascist SWINE!

[spooky3]

13. You have my complete sympathy.

You've done a great job with your son and are right to feel so proud of him and I hope hope hope he will stay here and that everyone else will come home soon.

[dirk007]

14. While certainly it is reasonable to

be concerned about your son, it is clearly not reasonable for you to expect to manage his enlistment. Your adult son made an adult decision. According to you, it sounds like he has the honor to complete his commitment to our country and intends to do just that. Go speed to him and safe travels. And, please pass along a 'thank you for your service'!!! to him...


Dirk

[Mari333]

21. Oh please dont underestimate my SON

He knows Bush went AWOL..he knows the invasion of Iraq was based on LIES his whole UNIT hates BUSH he is being Kept from his LEGAL discharge on Nov 17th because Bush needs to save FACE and has NEVER supported OUR kids in this illegal invasion of a country dont even START with me you will regret it
My son is a decent young man....Bush is an illegal lying sack of horseshit. Its as simple as that. He is Murdering our kids for Money and to keep his corporate friends wealthy. Thats all. Now, You can go sign up, go get on the f*cking front lines and have your guts blown out for Halliburton and Bechtel and PNAC....
Just dont expect MY son to go there.
And if, for any reason he is forced into this illegal invasion
Expect me to be your WORST enemy.
There is NO wrath worse then a mother who might or does Lose her child.
Be forewarned.

[speckledgator]

23. You go!

Your son is a lucky man, as I'm sure he knows!

[dirk007]

28. Yes yes

there will be terrible scorn as there should be. You are sposed' to die before your kids right...?

He does have a legal release date, however it is not illegal that he is being retained.

As your aware, if your boy doesnt want to fight, there is a way, or ways out. That is a decision he will make inside of himself.



Dirk

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. Mari's son has served his duty!

He is suppose to be RELEASED----LEGALLY! Didn't you read her post? Damn! He has finished his commitment to his country! I think you owe Mari an apology! :mad:

[Mari333]

40. P f*cking S

there is NOTHING HONOURABLE ABOUT THIS INVASION OF A COUNTRY THAT HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING TO US THIS IS ALL ABOUT A LOT OF WEALTHY WHITE MEN IN POWER WHO WANT TO CONTROL IRAQ

you need to read up on PNAC

www.newamericancentury.org

get your head out of your arse.

[shimmergal]

61. We can't expect Mari to be "reasonable" about it.

He's her son, after all. Even the stoic Vulcan Sarek said, "My logic is uncertain where my son is concerned."

All we can do is support her in her worry and outrage, and pray or spellcast that her fine young man -- and all the others -- come through the experience safely.

And of course, work to get Bush's whole immoral crew out of power as soon as possible.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

15. I don't have kids, but I get angry when I think that the

young people who are dying in Iraq are the same age as the students I used to teach. I would hate to think of any of them getting killed in an immoral and unnecessary war.

By the way, I think you would agree with the remark of a former Viet Cong who was interviewed for a TV documentary. He had obviously done a lot of self-examination since the war and he said, "When you kill a soldier, you are also grievously wounding his mother."

I wish we had that kind of wisdom in the White House.

[Bluzmann57]

16. Even though I'm a man

I still sympathize with you. My wife and I both have sons from prior relationships and mine was in the military, but got out after his three year hitch was done. I asked my non-political wife to read your rant, and now she's ANGRY! Our hearts go out to you and hopefully, your son will return safely to his homeland and, more importantly, his loving mother and other family members. May your son and you be safe and good luck to all of you.

[glarius]

17. How sad for you!....I'm not in America and don't have that worry about my

son, but I have a heavy heart for your son and all the other young people in your country who are being used by this phony "compassionate conservative."...I also ache for the mothers of the children of Iraq, as I know you do too....It's all so sad and WRONG!!!...God bless you and keep your son safe.:loveya:

[speckledgator]

25. You might not have to woory about it YET

[althecat]

22. Your post made me cry Mari.....

I will pray for you and your son. Remember always.... Jesus loves you. And I know its trite to say so... but for me it helps to remind me of that when shit happens.

[Iverson]

26. a father here

I'm with you all the way. Flames are out of the question.
:hug: :mad: :thumbsup: :scared:

[madrchsod]

27. our friend has a

daughter that was in the guard. she had about 2 or 3 months left,her unit was being called up and she basically hid for several months.. they called her mothers house but after a few times they stopped. she`s out now and half her old unit is going over to iraq. she was a mp in the guard. our other friend made his son join "to make him a man" and didn`t think he`d go to iraq..but he maybe going in the spring..he`s really upset with himself that he did this...i`m sure this goes on everyday in this county,mothers and fathers crying because they may loose their loved ones...
you don`t have to worry about any of us here not knowing how you feel.. we should always remember there`s mothers and fathers over there who feel the same as we all do...

[lovedems]

29. I have 4 boys

(they are young) but as a mother, my heart goes out to you. From the moment you lay eyes on your child, you would lay down your life for them. I don't know what you are going through so I won't pretend that I do, I only hope that someday I don't have to experience this kind of anger and down right FEAR. This administration is damaging this country beyond belief and I am so sorry that you are a victim of this madman running our country. My thoughts will be with you.

[Girlfriday]

30. Mari, I'm so sorry

We have friends who's son has been there for nine months - David is his name. He joined right out of high school; he's just a baby. I know how they agonize, but all we can do is pray for him........ and now Bobby. :hug:

P.S. Feel free to rant anytime you feel the need!

[Mari333]

50. I have no right to rant

when kids are already in Iraq..like your friend David
But for gods sake where are the mothers and fathers of these kids??
HERE they are
www.mfso.org
www.bringthemhomenow.com
I have to spend the next week with my son. I wont let this die. I will spend every moment with him, and I pray he has some tricks up his sleeve to get out of this.
I hope he kisses his Staff seargant on the mouth.
I already begged him to try for a dishonourable discharge..THIS IS NOT A WAR OF HONOUR.
He balked.
If he is sent anywhere tho, remember my name.
He will NOT die in vain if he is sent anywhere that harms him.
This, I can assure you.

[9215]

53. Jeez, you have every right to rant

Sorry for your situation. It's weird, your kid seems to not mind his role, but you see the permanence of what could happen to him in Iraq. Kids think nothing can go wrong. I was like that when I was in the military during Vietnam Era. You don't understand until you are older what your parents were going through and how lucky you were to come out OK.

Take care

[stevedeshazer]

32. Right on, Mom

I wish he still had his dad around.

I'm a dad, 48, and my wife, 55, have a son who is turning 16 next month. These are some damned scary times.

[Mari333]

35. Parents out there dont let your kids sign up for anything

warning. Dont let the army, Navy, AF, National Guard call your homes...dont let them sign up...keep them out.
There is a thief in the WH..he wants to kill your sons and daughters...move your kids OUT of this country if you have to...get them the hell out of here...
stand in front of the recruitment stations, hand out leaflets about the dead kids in Iraq, do everything you can to KEEP your kids from dying for an illegal invasion being run by a Madman...
I beg you..you can raise your child, and he can be owned by a madman and his henchmen if he or she signs up..
and then, you can LOSE your child...to these bastards....
FIGHT THEM...if they come to your childs high school FIGHT THEM....dont let them murder one more of our sons or daughters for this madness.


www.mfso.org
www.bringthemhomenow.com

[laruemtt]

37. we need to get your post

published in all the leading papers. maybe even get you on tv. too many people STILL need to be jolted into seeing what's going on here. if you need numbers to back you up, i'm here as i'm sure just about everybody here is. maybe you on tv with a huge petition. forget going through all these organizations. what could be more powerful than a mother's righteously angry plea? you really know how to get your point across, Mari333. please seriously think about getting this post out there.

[Mari333]

42. Oh ya like I would get in the papers like any mother or father gets any pr

the press does NOT CARE!!!! they dont, and they wont say a damned thing.

[WilliamPitt]

34. Can I run this on truthout tomorrow?

[Mari333]

36. You can run anything I say

Im on the verge of a nervous breakdown . But anger makes me fight. so the fight is on.
Mother against the Bush administration.
Mother will win. MOTHER OF CHILD WILL WIN!

[WilliamPitt]

38. PM me your real name

or whatever name you want me to use as a pseudonym.

[shance]

39. Thank you for your post Mari.

I am so sorry that your son is not receiving the original discharge date and I can only imagine how difficult that is for you, and for him right now. But your honesty and anger certainly brings sense in this primarily nonsensical time. What a thought provoking, heartfelt post. It was a reminder to me how important our experiences are for others to hear.

Ive been thinking about the direction this planet is taking and it seems as the drums of war get louder, womens' voices are seemingly becoming less heard less valued, and more invisible in our society .

The bearers of life like you, are the ones who know what it is like to give birth, and realize the incredible value not only in bringing a life into the world, but in the incredible experience itself.

I believe we need to hear from more women, and I think when women learn to trust more, our intuitions and instincts, we will start appreciating and valuing our gifts, that are so necessary to maintaining a balanced world, and know how vitally important it is have our voices heard, not only for us, but for the planet. Many men already appreciate and know this sadly, more than many women do.

Maybe this turbulent time will be a catalyst for people to begin to realize the value that women and men can play in promoting peace and healing in the world. I hope so.

Thanks again for sharing your voice.

[Mari333]

41. When my son was born I wrote this and sang it to him every night

He was born in the spring.


"I listen to your voice, the coo so gentle in my ear
the day you came to see us was the first day of our lives
and as you grow and learn and feel this love becomes so strong
sweet baby how the sun shines in your eyes....
"See how the spring sends flowers to welcome you to earth
see how the world has opened up her arms?

do you feel the million tuggings that are growing in our hearts
the wonderment of all your baby charms?

You....are my love....every finger on your little hand?
You....are my love....my lovely little man..........."

I wont let him go to die in an illegal war for these thugs.
I wont.
Not my child.

[dmr]

63. Damn Mari you have me crying again

That was beautiful.

I called Senator Levin's office on Tuesday, they gave me a cursory thank you. I called again on Wednesday, hoping to get someone to talk the issues, but I still got the cursory Senator Levin is aware and thank you. When I called Senator Kennedy's office this week to thank him for his words on the Senate floor, I brought up this issue, they asked me to put it in letter form. I did and it was mailed Friday.

Call me Mari, if you need to reach out.

I don't think I could handle this if it were my son. He is so precious and dear to me, a loving, intelligent smart kid, who told me yesterday he wants to become a US Senator. This is all so heartbreaking, a young man completing his duty, while an awol whistle ass uses a creative draft to keep him in against his will.

[corarose]

43. Can we start a letter writing campaign for you

We should all get a letter writing campaign going for Maries son. If we all faxed a letter into to her Senator or Senator Byrd I bet that they could help.

Mari I don't have kids and I can only envy you for having a son. If I did have a Son I would go to a lawyer and every politician in office and tell them about his due date to be discharged. I hate F'CKING BUSH (Excuse me)and he needs to be taken out of office by the people of the USA. He is an AWOL bastard whom never fought a day in his life for anything. Your son has served his country and he should be released from duty.
I grew up in the Viet Nam era and a man being sent to Nam was like a death sentence. I feel that Iraq is going to be that way in the future and we don't deserve to lose our your men and women for oil or any other reason.

DO YOU NEED HELP WITH A LETTER CAMPAIGN?

[Mari333]

45. I have called Sen Carl Levins office 80 times in DC

Lawyers have sent letters..My son has called the GI Rights hotline...we are doing everything we can
Levins office says..sorry...we cant do anything more.
Its not just me...remember..its THOUSANDS of kids out there being held in an AD HOC DRAFT....the military wont let them GO when their time is UP
If (and he probably will) go on Friday, I will be a mess. But I will also be BUSH's WORST NIGHTMARE.
I know how to fight. I will make a stink like the BFEE has never seen before.

[corarose]

46. If Levin's receives a massive amount of faxes

Then maybe he will help you. My heart goes out to you and I hope that your Son doesn't have to go.

[union_maid]

48. Marie, I understand, too

My son is just the same age as yours and even has the same name. I totally understand what you're feeling. It's something I've been thinking about since 911. I'm lucky in that mine isn't in the service, but you know, if he'd said he was joining the National Guard a few years ago, I doubt if I would have thought twice about it. It simply wouldn't have occurred to me that they'd be sent overseas.

Keep up the good fight to get him released, but just on a personal note, vis a vis keeping your sanity - his odds are very good. I don't mean that you should accept this or that it's right, just that you should remain very hopeful that he'll be fine even while you fight to get him home. Some of my son's friends have been there and we and of course, their parents, were worried sick, but they have come home. The last person that we know personally that was there was in the 3rd ID and kept getting extended past his time but he finally came home. Your son will come home.

[fla nocount]

44. Mari. When I was born..........

a girl, a good girl, fresh in the world and just off the farm would look deep into my eyes as she changed my diaper. She would hum a simple song and kiss my little pink feet and have dreams for me, dreams of castles and ease that she herself had as a girl and had since abandoned as a new adult mother, thinking rightly that it was too late for her. 50+ years later, she still has those dreams for me Mari, may you and your son be so blessed.

Peace, be still

Tom

P.S. Being a military brat who refused to serve I truly enjoyed your rant. Being a single Dad of two boys, ages 11 and 16 (cannon fodder) I fully sympathize with your post. Vote the bastards out, and if that doesn't work, hit the streets. If our vote doesn't count then it's time to end the illusion. Turn off the tube and clean your rifle.

[Mari333]

47. I have turned off the tube.

I cant watch the lies.
I will make the news, if anything happens to my son.
I will make the news. It will be ugly. I wont take this lying down.
I will not let anything happen to him.
I will die first. My son will not die before me, thats my assurance, I did not give birth to my son so that he would die before me.
Thats not natural.
And if they dont discharge him on Nov 17, and they send him anywhere and something happens to him, remember my name.
I already have a grave. I will die honourably, and die for my son's memory if anything happens to him.
I am not kidding.
I have 2 other sons. They dont understand how committed I am to them, or their lives, but they have no kids.
I did NOT give birth to a child to lose him like this. and I wont let this go.
They will NOT hurt my son.
I wont allow it. They will be the sorriest sons of bitches on the planet if they try.

[mermaid]

49. My God...

Hell, no...I'm not gonna Flame...and I'll take to task anyone who does!! You are right on the money here, Mom...and I'm sorry for your son. I wish they could ALL come home...

Maybe This will help give you some perspective...

"War Pigs" - Black Sabbath

Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerer of death's construction

In the feilds the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to makind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds...
Oh Lord Yeah...

....

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that all to the poor, yeah

....

Now in darkness world stops turning
In the fields the bodies burning
No more warpigs have the power
And as God has struck the hour
Day of judgement God is calling
On their knees the warpigs crawling
Begging mercies for their sins
Satan laughing spreads his wings...Oh Lord Yeah

[mrgorth]

52. Can you talk your son into leaving?

Canada? If you can get to Ireland I can almost guarantee the feds will never find him.

[Mari333]

54. I wish he would

Hes 25..he says he is doing everything he can to get his Honourable discharge...after all, he HAS served his time.
I told him. Ill move to Canada, you follow me.
He wont. I wish I could talk him into leaving the country now. But I doubt it would help. The BFEE has its claws out in Canada also.
They bring back every serviceman or woman that tries to go AWOL.

[mrgorth]

56. If you can get him to Ireland let me know

I'll take it from there. No promises.

[populistmom]

55. Be careful, but I understand

I have three boys. My oldest is 8. I am scared to death of what this country will look like in ten years. In ten years when my oldest son turns 18. I hate thse f*cking butchers of our children. Myheart is with you. I'm sorry.

Sarah

[nostamj]

57. oh Mari.....

let WillPitt help if you can.

you did so great on guyjames yesterday.

like the signs in your yard: PUTTING THE TRUTH OUT THERE is SO important...

bless you, stay strong

nost

[dirk007]

58. Why dont you talk to your boy...

or show him this thread and see if YOU meet HIS approval...... Id be courious. And again, send him a THANK YOU from me and mine for his service to our country!


Dirk

[Furity]

60. Why don't you....

Oh, never mind. I don't want to get banned.

~Furity

[Nashyra]

64. My prayers and thoughts are with you both

My son is a freshman in college and the thought of the draft scares the shit out of me. I pray that you can talk your son out of leaving with his unit, I pray that there is some place for him to go. This needs to get out there and I hope Will Pitts can help. Oprah should get a copy of your letter, the *'s AWOL needs to be brought up as a defense for our young men and women who don't deserve to be shipped off to an illegal war. These brave young men and women who fullfiled their duty that they signed up for and now they are being taken advantage of is deplorable. Not one more service man or woman should go until the *'s twins have a chance to serve their country.

[Solly Mack]

65. Mari, I understand your anger

You and your son will be in my thoughts. I wish I could offer more to ease your pain.

I keep wondering when more Americans will finally see how wrong this entire mess is and take to the streets weekly..daily..telling the govt to stop..enough is enough.

They are extending the NG for a year here. Those attached to us won't be coming home until this time next year...after already served their required year. It's wrong. Just wrong. The NG are being done dirty in more ways than regular troops.

Please keep "ranting"...you words speak the truth to the myth of this war on terror....

[grasswire]

66. it's an old, old story

Ten million soldiers to the war have gone
Who may never return again;
Ten million mothers' hearts must break
For the ones who died in vain--
Head bowed down in sorrow, in her lonely years,
I heard a mother murmur thro' her tears:

Chorus
"I didn't raise my boy to be a soldier,
I brought him up to be my pride and joy.
Who dares to place a musket on his shoulder,
To shoot some other mother's darling boy?"
Let nations arbitrate their future trouble,
It's time to lay the sword and gun away.
There'd be no war today
If mothers all would say,
"I didn't raise my boy to be a soldier."

What victory can cheer a mother's heart,
When she looks at her blighted home?
What victory can bring her back
All she cares to call her own?
Let each mother's answer in the years to be,
"Remember that my boy belongs to me."

[in_cog_ni_to]

67. Mari...I found this web site

it has phone #'s you can call for help. There seems to be some experienced people here who may be able to help you.

http://www.rcnv.org/getout.htm

Here's info on Objecting.

http://www.objector.org/girights/awol.html

an 800 number GI Rights Hotline and information.

http://girights.objector.org/gettingout/needtoknow.html

The GI Rights Hotline
[phone]
[phone] Fax [phone]
630 Twentieth Street #302
Oakland, CA 94612
[e-mail]

Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors
[e-mail]
630 20th Street #302
Oakland, CA 94612
510-465-1617
Fax [phone] Cherry St
Philadelphia, PA 19102
215-563-8787
Fax [phone]


Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors
[e-mail]
630 20th Street #302
Oakland, CA 94612
510-465-1617
Fax [phone] Cherry St
Philadelphia, PA 19102
215-563-8787
Fax [phone]


This would be worth a try?

Best of luck.

[Name removed]

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[LWolf]

69. I am with you, Mari.

As the mother of 2 sons, 24 and 26, I am with you every step of the way.

What can we do? Write letters? Contact...who? What is the first, most important contact?

[JNelson6563]

70. *sniff*

My sympathies to you fellow Mom. You do your boy justice here.

Julie

[G_j]

73. an outraged kick