Teaching Children to Hate...

[imax2268]

This was posted on another site that I go to and I wanted to get some DU'ers thoughts on this...

Teaching Children to Hate

This is nothing new is it...I can remember seeing news stories about countries around the world...seeing children carrying guns and such...

What is the real deal behind Palestine and Israel...?
Is BushCo favoring Israel...if so...why...?

I don't follow this situation...What does this have to do with what is going on today...or does it have everything to do with what's going on today...?

[La_Serpiente]

1. It's not really working for me the link

OK...I have spent the last couple weeks trying to understand the crisis in the Middle East.

Israel was created and recognized by the United Nations. At the time, there was still a lot of anti-semitism in the world, so many countries didn't recognize Israel as soon as it was created. However, the United States was one of the first ones. There was a lot of sympathy for the Jews at the time since they just lost 6 million of their brothers and sisters.

Pretty much every single President has supported Isreal. However, some are for different reasons.

Here are some reasons why all the Presidents supported Isreal.

1) It is one of the only Democracies in the Middle East.

2) It is a place where Jews can be free of anti-semitism.

Now, I think the reasons vary from President to President.

Democrats:

Democrats have always supported Israel and many Jews are a part of the Democratic Party. However, no Democrat has really stood up for the rights of the Palestinian people, who were the original people of that land. I don't think the Democrats want to expel the Palestinians...It's just that support Israel a lot more than the Palestinians.

Republicans:

This one is interesting. I think they just want to expel all the Palestinians from the Middle East. They are supported by such radical groups like AIPAC and PNAC - plus the Neo-Conservatives.

Another group that I really believe supports Isreal are the Christian Fundamentalists. In Al Franken's book, he stated that they support the Israeli state because that's where revelations will occur and wipe out all the Jews. But what Tom Delay said was that he supports Isreal for religious reasons. He stated that he has a personal connection with the Holy Land of Issac and Abraham. Issac is the father of all Christians. It is also interesting to think that his half-brother is Ishmael, the father of all Muslims.

Now, it is true that Israelis were already there at time of their creation post WWII. They started populating in small numbers during the 1880s. However, there weren't enough of them to have any influence in Palestine really. Plus, the Palestinians and Israelis lived in peace - somewhat. It wasn't until post WW-II did the refugees start pouring into Isreal. Their leader, I forgot his name, was somewhat radical and wanted to take the place over for himself. Ironically, correct me if I am wrong, but the British tried to kick the Israelis out. The Israelis fough back and kicked out the British. The British were already war torn by then so i don't think they wanted another major conflict on their hands.

The Jews were happy when their state was recognized. But the surrounding Arab Countries were furious. Syria, Jordan, Egypt, countries like those, fought back against the Israelis...but they continually lost these battles.

This went on for a long time. There was a war in 1967 where Israel staved off attacks from Egypt. However, this led to Isreal actually gaining land and taking over the Sinai peninsula. There was a peace agreement in 1977 I believe with Pres. Carter that gave that land back to Egypt.

The Isrealis had the opportunity to stop the war in 1972. However, they declined the peace agreement and the battle still rages on till today.

Now you ask, how does this relate to us. It has EVERYTHING to do with us. The terrorist use the conflict as an excuse to rally fellow Muslims around the world to beat back the great defender of Israel - America. This is their rallying cry.

The way the peace process is going is terrible. Bush is not even enforcing his own peace plan. The money still goes to Isreal to build houses on prime Palestinian land. The wall is another thing. To me, I'm not as concerned about the wall, but the direction it is going. It is taking all the arable, good Palestinian land and leaving them with the rest. This is totally unjust.

If the Jews continue to build this wall, there will be no such thing as a two state solution. The Palestinians will have no place for them, and they will be a people without a home.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. You forget one thing

the land that became Israel was already occupied by several thousand people, Jews, Christians, and Muslims. I don't know if the land of Israel was purchased from these existing residents in 1948 and earlier-if someone does know, please tell me. What I do know happened, and what has inflamed the situation, is that, in many cases after the 1967 war, the Zionists (please note I did not say Jews; I am not talking anti-semitism here)simply took land away from people by force (in the West Bank and other occupied territories). Even Jews who had lived in the Holy Land for years were treated like second-class citizens. Buildings and farms were destroyed, people were killed not because they were militants but because they were 'in the way' of 'zones' the Zionists wished to carve out to 'protect' their state.

The Zionists have used the Holocost card forever, and are very very fond of calling anyone who questions their actions anti-Semite. I don't know that I'd say the actions of neighboring governments in the wars in 1948 and 1967 were right. But the actions of the Israeli government in erecting illegal settlements in the occupied territories isn't right, either.

[LeahMira]

7. Ayeshahaqqiqa... some thoughts I have here

I don't know if the land of Israel was purchased from these existing residents in 1948 and earlier-if someone does know, please tell me.

A lot of it was purchased.

the Zionists (please note I did not say Jews

Zionism is defined in the Jerusalem Program. It began in the late 1800s with Teodor Herzel. Its goals have changed over the years as the situation has changed, but Zionists are not all militants or "terrorists" as some folks would think.

The Zionists have used the Holocost card forever

Holocaust. And some people use it just as the present American administration uses 9/11. While I do not think that the Holocaust should just be put behind us, I do think that it figures in the mindset of American Jews much more than it does in the mindset of Israeli Jews. I also think that there have been many holocausts both before and after "The Holocaust" that are not remembered with such clarity. Just because others do not remember and mourn their losses is no reason to criticise the Jewish People for remembering and mourning theirs, BTW. At the same time, I don't think every criticism of the Jewish People is indicative of some wish to eliminate us from the face of the earth.

[imax2268]

2. Thanks...

interesting info...I guess I will have to read more into it...

sorry about the link...if you go to the main website...maybe you can see it there...

[DuctapeFatwa]

3. You might start with Amnesty Intl and the Red Cross

I would also recommend reading over the 4th Geneva convention.

[imax2268]

4. thanks...

I will look that up...

[izzie]

6. well one reason Bush is for Isreal is this,,,,,,,

His Far Right Christians are for it. From the Bible, they say and since he feels his father lost that base he will do anything to keep it.They want something he wants it. You may get money from the rich but they are few and he needs the voters.You seem to have one more problem with this. The Christian right seem to feel it is fine if their children died for all this, as it is Gods work, and Bush is doing Gods work. On the rich he has handed out money. Karl is not stuped and either is Bush on how to keep power.An open minded person hardly can do a thing .

[trof]

8. You've got to be carefully taught

From the musical South Pacific

You've got to be taught to hate and fear
You've got to be taught from year to year
It's got to be drummed in your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught
You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made
And people whose skin is a different shade
You've got to be carefully taught
You've got to be taught before it's too late
Before you are six or seven or eight
To hate all the people your relatives hate
You've got to be carefully taught
You've got to be carefully taught

[GabysPoppy]

9. Locking

Link does not work.

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