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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 01:48 PM
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National Review: France, Germany conspire with Arabs to defeat US

This is unbelievable. Now that we have pissed off half the world let's see if we can alienate the other half. What is Michael Ledeen thinking?

http://www.nationalreview.com/ledeen/ledeen031003.asp

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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 01:58 PM
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1. Would that it were so

Sadly, the number of countries actively doing anything significant to defeat the US is holding steady at 1 - the US itself.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 01:59 PM
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3. great comment. I met the enemy and it is I? n/t
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 01:58 PM
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2. Arghhhhh.... Maybe French wines will get cheaper so I can buy more?
These people have several screws loose.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:03 PM
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4. breathtaking...
what an evil bastard!

"If this is correct, we will have to pursue the war against terror far beyond the boundaries of the Middle East, into the heart of Western Europe. And there, as in the Middle East, our greatest weapons are political: the demonstrated desire for freedom of the peoples of the countries that oppose us."

hell, why not pursue the war against terror far beyond any and all boundaries? Lets invade EVERYBODY. ALL AT ONCE.

The way he gushes about "hyperpower," you'd think his errogenous zones were being fondled....

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Syncronaut Seven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:10 PM
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6. Don't you mean erroneous zones?
;)
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:06 PM
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5. Has anyone been listening to Sylvia Pujoli's bs NPR reports on how much
Europeans hate us? The RW is trying to get Americans to think of Europe as the enemy. That's how the US is dealing with the fact that the EU is about to become a serious political force in the world. We can work together to make the world a better place, or the US can try to sabotage Europe. The RW'ers are trying to sabotage Europe.

I guarantee you that if a good, smart Dem wins in 2004, you'll se his or her administration to go to great lengths to create an image of the cooperation between the EU and US (as Clinton did) in an effort to undermine the RW media's attempt to engender hatred.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:18 PM
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7. Sloppy, lazy work. I've seen better nutcases
He forgot to throw in China, the freemasons, vegans, the Mafia, the Democratic party, the ACLU, Barbra Streisand, Fidel Castro, Linux, Nelson Mandela, etc etc etc...
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:23 PM
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8. Who is this guy?
What is he smoking?
This is one of the most absurd conspiracy theories I've ever read. Was there a follow up (the piece is from march) ?
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:48 PM
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10. He's one of Bush's 'brain trust'
Edited on Mon Oct-20-03 02:49 PM by htuttle
Here's an article from last May:

Who is Michael Leeden?
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15860


Ledeen's ideas are repeated daily by such figures as Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz. His views virtually define the stark departure from American foreign policy philosophy that existed before the tragedy of Sept. 11, 2001. He basically believes that violence in the service of the spread of democracy is America's manifest destiny. Consequently, he has become the philosophical legitimator of the American occupation of Iraq.

(snip)

Quotes from Ledeen's works reveal a peculiar set of beliefs about American attitudes toward violence. "Change – above all violent change – is the essence of human history," he proclaims in his book, "Machiavelli on Modern Leadership: Why Machiavelli's Iron Rules Are as Timely and Important Today as Five Centuries Ago." In an influential essay in the National Review Online he asserts, "Creative destruction is our middle name. We do it automatically ... it is time once again to export the democratic revolution."

Ledeen has become the driving philosophical force behind the neoconservative movement and the military actions it has spawned. His 1996 book, "Freedom Betrayed; How the United States Led a Global Democratic Revolution, Won the Cold War, and Walked Away," reveals the basic neoconservative obsession: the United States never "won" the Cold War; the Soviet Union collapsed of its own weight without a shot being fired. Had the United States truly won, democratic institutions would be sprouting everywhere the threat of Communism had been rife.

(more)



Dangerously mad, the whole lot of them.
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:55 PM
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11. thanks for the info
Somehow I don't feel comforted. I had hoped for something along the lines of "irrelevant nutjob". Well, one out of two isn't bad ...
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:24 PM
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9. And none of this happened
during Clinton's time in office?

Sure a slow way to go about it I must say.
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