If Bush "wins" in 2004, it will most likely be because...

[BurtWorm]

Poll question: If Bush "wins" in 2004, it will most likely be because...

[Renew Deal]

1. Democrats pulling our own candidates down.

Ah, the self defeating democrat. it is aan unpredictable animal.

[illini]

3. I agree.

We Dems seem to do a good job of beating each other up before we run against some repug. :smoke:

[CoffeePlease1947]

12. I agree too, or this happens

The Democrats nominate someone that cannot win.


Mike

[BurtWorm]

33. The only way a Dem "could not win" would be if the Dem allows

the Bushists to control the coverage of the election--in other words, not through some fault of the candidate, per se, except for a willingness to take what the Bushists dish out.

You may be thinking that the Bushists will manipulate the Dems, through sabotage of viable candidacies as the Nixonists managed, into picking someone they can easily portray as an effete lefty. That, I suppose is a possibility. But if you have in mind a particular candidate who is legitimately in the running for the nomination as being unelectable, I'm skeptical. I think there are at least four Democratic candidates who stand a good shot at removing Bush's boily ass from the White House. My main fear is that whoever the nominee is will allow himself (no Braun is not on the list, sorry) to be defined by the Bushists and their lapdogs in the media. Dean will be portrayed as a hotheaded, draft-dodging lefty from Ben and Jerryville. Kerry will be portrayed as a cold-blooded, lying aristocrat. Clark will be portrayed as a shapeshifter. The election will become about Dean's or Kerry's or Clark's or Gephardt's or whoever's character. (Sorry, Kucinich, Braun, Sharpton and Edwards supporters, but I don't see any of them catching fire.) (Oh, and Lieberman, too.) That is, it will become about character if the Democratic nominee hasn't learned from Al Gore's mistakes and forgets to fight back.

[BurtWorm]

2. I'm really surprised no one has picked number two.

That's the easiest, most likely scenario as far as I can tell. They've already started working on the ones they're most afraid of.

[Dr Fate]

4. Other-DUers and "Democrats" refuse to get active and GTV...n/t

n/t

[BurtWorm]

5. That is a possibility, but probably only if one of the other

conditions above is met. There would seem to have to be a reason for voters not to vote this piece of shit administration out. Demoralization would have to result from something. In my opinion, the most likely something is that Rove picks up where other Dem candidates leave off and makes everyone completely sick of the Dem nominee. Sick enough not to vote or to vote for a spolier or loser third party candidate.

[freeforall]

6. I think that

he could win if they stage another terra-ist incident and manipulate the votes.

Given what he did the first time, this seems almost like a "done deal." Treachery.

[bobbieinok]

7. combination of 3 elements

1) republican control of the media ... remember what happened to Gore: he had no skeletons in his closet, so the media constantly smeared him as a 'serial liar' ... and the passes given to the republicans (Bush, Arnold, etc.)

2) republican control of the voting ... BBV, intimidation of minorities (see reports from 2000 and 2002), 'foul up' with ballots (2000 and 2002), disenfranchisement of minority voters, etc, etc, etc,

3) less important, but a contributing factor...democrats who tear down democrats and democrats who refuse to vote for the democratic nominee because he/she does not meet their self-righteous standards of 'purity'

[AntiCoup2K4]

8. I would have voted "all of the above", but I don't believe the economy....

...will actually recover. They will try to sell that bullshit, just as they already are, but jobs in India and more profits for Billionaires is NOT an economic recovery and anybody reporting it as such should be on trial for treason along with the BCE themselves.

[Melsky]

9. I agree

I don't know how they keep track of the economy, but if a lot of Americans are out of work, out of money and losing their health insurance, it is not a recovery. I think this is a lot harder to hide than lies about the war and stuff. Almost everyone knows someone who has been laid off and unable to find work. My husband has been out of work for quite a while and it's very depressing.

[Jacobin]

10. pink tutu dems

[AndyTiedye]

11. Diebold Republican Electing Machinez

what else do they need?

If they can't fix the election, then look for a :nuke: allegedly from North Korea
then martial law, a general mobilization, and no more elections.

(WHY do you think they blew Plame and her group -- precisely the ones most likely to discover and expose such a plot)

[Shigley]

29. Not even the righties would go for that

Martial law? There's no way that could be enforced - too many soldiers would tell the guy giving that order to screw(are we allowed profanity on here?) themselves, and too many people have guns for the rest to succeed. Wouldn't it be strange to be allied with the NRA though? :wow: Oh well, as long as we go back to hating them when it's over.

[iangb]

13. "Because the great and necessary tasks .......

....facing Americans, of fighting terrorism and Rogue nations need to be continued without interruption, using the Emergency Powers vested in me by Congress I have decreed that the elections for President of the United States due in November have been cancelled."


........or something like that.

[Zhade]

17. That would spark armed resistance. No question.

Martial law and suspending/cancelling elections?

That'd start a revolution, my friend.

[LeahMira]

32. Don't kid yourself...

Martial law and suspending/cancelling elections?
That'd start a revolution, my friend.

A civil war perhaps between "patriotic" Americans who support the pResident and those who don't, but how many folks will think about the real causes for their problems?

[iangb]

38. Revolution?

With the popular media portraying your heroic Presidents sacrifices for his country, and the dangers posed by 'liberal traitors' I reckon most Americans would accept a canceled election as the lesser of two evils.

[AP]

I got an "already voted" message on this poll.

Is there one of those embedded programs in here?

[Booberdawg]

15. Didn't happen to me... I think they fixed that anyway.

[AP]

14. I got an "already voted" message on this poll.

Is there one of those embedded programs in here?

[BurtWorm]

26. Maybe you voted twice without knowing it?

:shrug:

[unfrigginreal]

16. Other...

In a repeat of 2000, the "Liberal" media will spend the entire year proclaiming Bush, the moderate, invincible until the day before the election when they'll report a "surge" for the Democratic nominee.

[Julien Sorel]

18. He got to run against Dean.

[GOPBasher]

19. I picked cheating.

I'm more confident than ever that we're going to win this thing, but ONLY if it's a fair election.

[Shigley]

30. Not necessarily

Never underestimate the ignorance of those who don't know the political world. And the electoral vote could screw us again like it did last time. Why is that system still around?

[BonjourUSA]

20. Certain European leaders seem to gamble the Bush's "re"-election

with a simple cynicism.

If this asshole is re-elected the economical and political move of the world will get speed toward an US weakening. For example, the euro would little by little remplace the dollar and the world would stop de facto to pay the US deficit.

But this scenario could be catastrophic for the world economy, but I think the creation of the Russia, Germany and France axis is founded on this bet.

[Capt_Nemo]

21. Putin's ambitions towards Europe depend on having the

Neo-cons and christian fundies ruling the US for the foreseable
future.

Putin would much prefer a Russia/EU pole than a Russia/China aliance.
He would have to turn to China if a Democrat would
re-establish the normality in US/EU relations.

China on the contrary would very much like to get rid of Bush so
that Russia would have to come to them loking for an ally and for
many other reasons.

[onebigbadwulf]

22. Other...

Repuke's monopoly on the media.


Welcome to nazi germany ladies and gentlemen.

[BurtWorm]

27. BonjourUSA, how are the French media reporting Putin's flirtation

with moving toward petroeuros?

[BonjourUSA]

31. No comment

No very clear idea seems to predominate in the French media which report the fact without real comment

Only a repetitious question : where would Putin like to get his money ?

We have to recall that Russia has always been afraid with the theory of surrounding. And now the USA are too close from its pipes.

[BurtWorm]

34. Well, what do you think of the idea?

Isn't Europe kind of excited about the prospect of knocking the dollar off its pedestal, and wouldn't Putin's switch advance that goal tremendously? Or are Europeans afraid of what it might really mean to have their currency become the world's currency?

[ErasureAcer]

23. Other: The Dem candidate sucking

so support Kucinich

[JaneQPublic]

24. Chimpy will personally find Saddam, Osama, the anthrax killer, and

the person who killed Shondra Levy.

He'll accomplish all of this in October 2004, right before Reagan and/or Barbara Bush drops dead.

[IndianaGreen]

25. Considering the lengths to which they went to put Bush in the White House

this crowd is not going to just pack up and leave!

[xJlM]

28. He cheats

He can't win on any of the lies he ran on in 2000, and he sure can't run on his record. The economy is not going to get noticably better in the next year or so, in fact it may get noticably worse. Don't worry, though. Those clever dogs running the PNAC have a plan and a back up plan.

[oc2002]

35. The Rove Spin, dirty tricks, lies will be the most deadly.

Rove is the mastermind in the politcal strategy of this administration in the 2004 election.

He is like a general giving out orders to the troops that dutifuly and blindly follow them to the letter.

Make no mistake, its the Dems vs RoVe in 2004, Bush is just a figure head.

[xxqqqzme]

36. I'm still shocked we were allowed 2

vote in 11/02. But I C 11/02, more and more, was a dry run 4 corrupting the voting mascreens next year. They were successful in the tight races and NO ONE questioned the results. The recount has been eliminated.

[goddess40]

37. I can't even think about bush actually getting elected

I fear for this country and the rest of the world if this bunch of terrorists get back in office.

[PATRICK]

39. won't rely on one thing

All the dirty stuff, the flash and money deluge, the media spin, the sabotaging of the Democratic campaign, the diversion- on a broad determined and probably simple scale.

The more important question is what the Dems will do, will they do it united and with enough backing and dough, and will they elect more than a President?