Are Californians crazy, stoned or both?

[Clete]

Doonesbury says it all.



In a few days, in the fifth largest economy in the world, we are going to have a man, who allegedly has committed felony sex crimes, as our governor. What has been published lately is only the tip of the iceberg of the extent of Arnold's satyric adventures and crimes of sexual battery. Please, anyone who has been victimized by the new Governor of California please file charges before it's too late.

This is a very bad precedent and is very bad for women's rights. It makes the workplace a less safe environment for all women and takes us back to a place that no woman who has had to endure these assaults should be.

[BlueJazz]

1. One of the problems (with a lot of people)

is they associate the on-screen character with the real person.
I can't tell you how many times at work I've heard folks say
things like "Arnold seems so strong and protective of woman"
I feel like screaming ...Christ, man!...He's an actor!


I told this story a few days ago but it brings home my point:

Years ago when "All in the Family" was on, Edith (Jean Stapleton)
was on the Johnny Carson show.
The next day at work while taking a break, several people
commented that "You know, She's really not stupid and actually seems quite smart"
I (really) sat in my chair with my mouth open for a long, long time...Geez...

[dsc]

8. I had a similar experience but the opposite direction

I was a huge fan of Santa Barbara when it was on the air and one of the characters was this smart woman lawyer named Julia. The actress which played her went on an interview show and I was just dumbfounded by what an idiot she was. It was literally unbelievable. She deserved a billion emmys for being able to act that smart.

[Clete]

10. Better give credit to her director who had

to walk her through the part.

[Clete]

9. It's ridiculous isn't it.

People confuse the actor with the role they play. All those men who looked up to John Wayne as macho man, would have been surprised to know the real man. Not that he wasn't a pleasant sort, he just wasn't one of his screen characters.

[KeepItReal]

2. Arnold won the 'burbs mostly....

He *lost* in the Bay Area and in Los Angeles County.

http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/recall/00.htm

[catzies]

3. Honey, I'm all 3

Californian, stoned and crazy.

But I am not STUPID.

I worked an activist table at a lcal street fair yesterday, next to a GOP/rightwing/crazy/fundie who gathered signatures for the "stop the car tax" initiative -- the next mistake my fellow Californians are going to make. And all of them didn't want to pay extra for their SUVs.

And I lost track of how many people asked "Where can I sign to make sure illegals don't get drivers' licenses?" but that one's not ready yet. I'm telling you, all of them acted on narrowminded, reactionary, racist, classist rage.

Now, back to your point.

What Arnold had done is reprehensible, but I'm angrier right now that he is single-handedly going to ensure we don't get back the 9 BILLION DOLLARS owed to us from the energy debacle.

Before, Arnold just screwed women he came into contact with. Now, you never have to have even met the man to be subject to his whims, groping or not.

[Clete]

4. Catzie, everyone is going to get screwed now

and not enjoy it.

[catzies]

6. I know. What puzzles me most is the women who "bought" Arnold

I couldn't ever be a willing party to someone who has let me know up front he thinks I'm a second class citizen and it boggles me that other women cannot see it.

I did a lot of educational eavesdropping yesterday, and most of the people who left his table didn't stop at mine. You know I'm a liberal from ten yards away, at least. ;)

[xxqqqzme]

18. I'm countin' all 3 also.

Interesting story about (wo)manning the activist table. (wo)Manning voter registration tables, I sensed the steroid boy vote 2 B coming from homophobic, xenophobic, misogynistic white males. I think it was a vote driven by bravado, bullshit and belligerence.

[RuB]

23. If Arnold settles with the energy companies, we'll know

the catalyst behind the recall. I read the Greg Palast story, truely disgusting. If Arnold does what Palast alleges it will make the groper stories look pale in comparison.

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=284&row=0

[rocktivity]

34. Since Arnold won't explain his meeting with Ken Lay

I think his leaving six billion dollar on a cash-starved state's table is grounds for impeachment, if not a recall. Obstruction of justice or conspiracy charges might be in order.




rocknation

[shance]

5. I guess we are in assumption mode that Arnold won??

From everything that has been shown and revealed, how do we have the slightest idea who won?

Dont blame Californians Clete, blame the media, the Secretary of State and the voting machine companies that have taken away our rights to a separate paper ballot and made us pay for it at the same time.

Im still wondering if all the votes have even been counted. Whatever happened to all the absentees that hadnt been counted? And with 400,000 votes still missing, shouldnt someone be calling this an unsubstantiated election?

Am I missing something?

[Clete]

7. I agree with you about the "if he really did win" question.

But no one is demanding recounts. It seems some of our metropolitan newspapers should be doing this.

[shance]

11. I agree. Or at the very least raising a little hell about it.

n/t

[CreekDog]

12. Can't Vouch For The State Outside The Bay

Recalling the Governor:
Bay Area (pop 7 mil): 36% yes / 64% no
rest of CA (28 mil): 61% yes / 39% no

Voting Against The Recall By County (Bay Area):
San Francisco 80%
Alameda 70%
Marin 68%
Santa Cruz 65%
San Mateo 63%
Sonoma 61%
Santa Clara 58%
Contra Costa 57%
Napa 55%
Monterey 53%
Solano 51%

And weak as he was, Bustamante managed to win the Bay Area too, in fact, by a fairly comfortable margin --with one notable exception in our Democratic Attorney General (who voted for the Gropinator).

We're all out here shaking our heads at this debacle and wishing we had our own state. Me, I'm wondering if Canada is accepting applications for new provinces. If not, we could be part of a trade for Quebec, give Bush what he deserves and give us what we deserve (as repayment for our voting record).

[Clete]

15. I find this whole thing so suspicious

that it should be somehow investigated. I don't know who wants to risk it. I hope some of his victims will somehow get the courage and find sympathetic law enforcement or legal aid to help them get this out in the open and through the courts where it belongs.

[shance]

22. Again, you're assuming those are legitimate results.

I would be interested to see an update on the breakdown between all the candidates. Thats where things get interesting and a potential spreading of votes was to have occurred.

I found it interesting that no-name candidates were receiving hundreds and in some cases thousands of votes in counties where they werent even from.

A median result average of votes received for an unknown candidate, (not to mention in competition with 150 + candidates in the race!), in an area where he does not reside is anywhere from 15 to about 50 votes.

I dont have the stats, but I saw them here at DU the day after the recall and Im sure a few of the DUers have access to them.

And what is the status on the 400,000 ballots missing, along with the absentee (another 3-400,000?) that were still not counted as of last week?

Am I wrong or can you call an election with so many ballots outstanding? Or are they still outstanding?

[IranianDemocrat]

14. That's just stupid.

Why is it that when democrats win, it's a real win, but when republicans win it's some sort of a conspiracy.

Face it guys, sometimes Republicans win.

[shance]

24. LOL!!** I see your true colors (shining)........

How true. SOMETIMES Republicans do win.

First off, I didnt say the Dems won, if you would take the time to read my post.

I said I dont know who won, and neither do you.

You can assume you know who won, and you can put your money on our "honest" media, and the questionable machine manufacturers like Diebold who are currently in some potentially hot water, and well then, I would also consider your double standard comment about when Republicans win, and recognize the real motivation behind posting this thread.

In case you havent heard, Democrats/Gore did win in 2000, but a group of Republicans decided to put a stop to a fair election, and now the Georgia races from 2002 are being scrutinized and re-examined (due to largely the electronic voting and Diebold), and now we are faced with nationwide unregulated electronic voting,

and now we have you as an expert to give us the final opinion.

Thanks, I will go with experts who really understand the dire situation in how our elections are being jeopardized, and who really know what they are talking about, have done numerous studies and have shed an exposing light on how easily accessed and manipulated electronic voting machines are AND, which guarantee, at this time, NO EFFECTIVE WAY of ever being certain of a fair election.

AND, sometimes Democrats win and then its unfairly taken from them. And if you really are a Democrat, or heck a fair Republican for that matter, one would hope you would care enough and be honest enough to support a candidate who were subject to an unfair election.

[genius]

13. The Resident is an accused rapist

Remember Margie Shoedinger. The case is still active.

[maggrwaggr]

16. can you prove that he won?

the fix was in when Darrel Issa quit the race.

The media announced it before the "election" took place. Two weeks before, they were putting the icing on Arnold's cake.

Sorry, folks, we don't have democracy anymore.

The state has 35 million people. Over ten million people live in LA, 8 million more in San Francisco. Most of the rest live close to the coast. And all of these folks voted in the majority against the recall?

Yet the recall won. I don't think so.

We're all just swallowing it, lying back and taking it like good little rape victims.

[KFC]

17. Easy

http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/recall/00.htm

http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/gov/00.htm

More people voted to recall Davis than to retain him. By a huge margin.

More people voted for Arnold than any other replacement candidate. Again, by a huge margin.

That is why Davis is out and Arnold is in.

[maggrwaggr]

19. Duh. Who counted those votes?

Where did the votes come from?

You're assuming what you're being told is the truth.

That's the whole point, and you're missing it.

Look at the other elections. Nebraska. Georgia.

They're all extremely suspect.

I'm not a tinfoil hat kind of guy. Never have been, ever. But if you start looking into this, it stinks to high heaven.

[KFC]

21. The votes came from the voters

Feel free to ignore reality.

I guess ignorance can be bliss. Or at least fairly comfortable for you. Unlike you, I prefer to face the facts.

If you can prove a vote rigging conspiracy, all power to you. You will be rich and famous.

Meanwhile, I will continue to take internet blog/messageboard commentary with more than a grain of salt.

[maggrwaggr]

31. I'm glad you have such faith in the system

I, however, do not.

Have you actually looked at the stories from Nebraska, where the guy who owned the voting machines won with 82% of the vote?

And the story from Texas where the only reason the fraud was discovered is because several of the lesser candidates had exactly the same number of votes?

Have you been paying attention to any of the threads on DU that start with the letters BBV?

Oh, and I'm also gonna assume you don't live in California. If you did, you'd wonder where all that Arnold support came from.

[SoCalDem]

20. AND.. the propositions favored by the repubes FAILED

and failed BIG.. It does not add up..

Issa was the bait..and Ahhhnold was the switch..:(

We have been HAD.. again !

[AndyTiedye]

25. This Was the Beta Test for the 2004 Selection

which will go exactly the same way if we don't stop Diebold and ES&S.

[salmonhorse]

26. Agreed ~

There's nothing magical about California residents. Today, at the bar in Vallejo's over a half plate of tacos and XX dark, a middle aged female state worker from the Sec of State's Office across the street was touting her new boyfriend who is, to her admiration: "...a conservative. Which is a good thing..." But then she went on to mention her chagrin as to her pet homeless project being cut and that she might have to get back into selling used cars or some other Darrel Issa-esque, 'screw you I still got mine' venture. It's easy to be "HAD" when your head is in the sand or up your fool-ass. And yet...what are the likes of this woman so perplexed about.

There's little doubt in my mind that this world in which we live, and not just Cali, is strewn with vast delusion. That is what the disruptors are playing to. ADD, ADHD, and/or the attention of the tsi-tsi fly ~

The self centered voters of California were a pushover for the likes of what came with a tub of buttered popcorn.

[Zhade]

27. No. The election was stolen.

Time will show this. It's already started to.

Give us SOME credit, please!

[onebigbadwulf]

28. Already packing my bags...

I'm packing my bags and moving out of this god forsaken state in this god forsaken country.


I predict Bush re-election and doomsday soon following.

[Zhade]

29. Problem is - where to go? Problems worldwide if it happens...

NT!

[BonjourUSA]

30. Come in France...

We still love and respect the women ;)

[Clete]

32. I would love to go to Paris right now.

:-)

[qwertyMike]

33. All three n/t