How to attack "But you Democrats don't have a plan!"

[OldSoldier]

Every time we start to discuss the Bush boy's lack of a plan to get us out of Iraq, the Republicans respond with "But you Democrats don't have a plan!"

My response:

"Why should we? Bush is a spoiled child who never had to fix anything in his life. When he screwed up Arbusto Petroleum, one of his daddy's rich friends bailed him out. When he screwed up Harken Oil, one of his daddy's rich friends bailed him out. His daddy bailed him out of going to Vietnam, he got bailed out of the DWI, the coke, everything. His daddy's rich friends and stoolies on the Supreme Court bailed him out of Funeralgate by moving him into the White House against the will of the voters.

"When he ignored terrorism until it bit him in the ass, his rich friends in the media bailed him out by not reporting on his inaction. Did you know George Bush was told terrorism would be his most pressing problem before he took office, and he did nothing for nine months? Did you know he held exactly two meetings about terrorism the whole first nine months of his administration, while the Clinton administration met once a week? Did you know that after the plane hit the first tower, Bush went to an elementary school for a photo op to show how "important" education was to him? Did you know that when the plane hit the second tower, Bush was sitting in a classroom reading a story book to some kids? And did you know that Bush has cut education funding since he's been in office, which shows how important education really is to him. But his rich friends bailed him out again.

"Now he's destroyed Iraq just because he could. He knew that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11. He knew Saddam wasn't much of a threat--far less a threat than the Saudis he counts as friends. He killed over 300 American troops and who knows how many Iraqis. And now you expect us, who told him that a war in Iraq would become exactly the quagmire this one's become, to bail Mr. Bush out of his latest mess?

"No. I'm sorry. George Bush is 56 years old. It's time he took some responsibility for his own actions. We told him not to go. He went anyway. He screwed this up. Let him fix it. We're not going to hold his hand and blow his nose for him anymore."

[leetrisck]

1. We should just say "Help is on the way" and

"I'll bring dignity and honor to the White House." Oh - that was Slimy Shrubs plan.

[Nashyra]

3. That's right we don't have a plan,

we shouldn't be the one's to have a plan, we have ideas, better idea's but without all the "evidence" one should never formulate a plan because then we are accused of fabricating. We have great ideas that we can fine tune into a plan when we have all the information that any administration should disclose "truthfully" and we will be a "transparent" administration so that partianship will be a thing of the past. We need to work together on national security, not keeping secrets and keeping 50% of the lawmakers in the dark for personal and financial gain for the party in power.

That is my argument.

[mandyky]

7. Yep, and then do everything opposite of shrub.

Sound familiar? Idiotboy undid everything he could that Clinton did, and ignored things like Middle East peace and other things Clinton was hands on about.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

2. The Big Lie.

Democrat's "plans" are extremely detailed. Just send them to one of the campaign websites. There are typically page after page of policy positions.

[mrgorth]

6. EXACTLY!!!

I don't understand the "don't have a plan" thing. What the hell is all over the candidates websites but plans? How are those NOT plans?

[OldSoldier]

13. They're not plans because...

They were formulated by Democrats. What the hell were you thinking? That Shrubco and the Freeps would accept anything a Democrat did as usable?

No, if I had to formulate a plan, right now, here's what I'd do:

1. Turn control over to the United Nations.

2. Funding: the US and the UK destroyed Iraq. We should be the ones to pay to fix it.

3. Combat troops: We only need enough combat troops, none of whom should be American, to protect...

4. Engineer troops: Every army in the world has engineers. Get as many engineers on the ground as we can, from as many nations as we can, to rebuild Iraq's infrastructure. Right now we're at war and shouldn't be--but are because we're doing an occupation that we should not be doing.

5. Iraqi government: Allow the Iraqis to set up a government they like, and fast. Then get Paul Bremer the hell out of country. If this means Iraq becomes three nations--one for the Kurds, one for the Shia and one for the Sunni--so be it. The real trick is going to be ensuring access to the coast for all three nations. Iraq's major problem is that it's nearly landlocked--the coastline is short and it's in what would be Shia territory. You will probably wind up with three goofy-looking countries that have 16km-wide "tails" leading out to the Persian Gulf. It's got to be this way--if you rely on the good nature of the Shia to perpetuate lines of communication across their land for the Sunni and Kurds, and the Sunni to allow the Kurds free transit across their land, you'll soon find that those people don't have a good nature and "my Allah can beat up your Allah with one hand tied behind his back" prevails.

6. Control and exploitation of the Iraqi oilfields: You will NOT tell me there is no one in Iraq who can run an oil company. It can't be that hard, although George Bush fucked it up three times. Local control of Iraq's oil, thank you. Iraq is supposed to have scientists who can miracle together a model airplane that can fly all the way from Baghdad to New York City with enough sarin gas to take out the whole town. :grin: If they can do that, these people are smart enough to be retrained to run an oil company. This more than anything will shut down the attacks. Who does the training? Executives from TotalFina and Elf Aquitaine.

Of course, this one won't work either.

[JaneQPublic]

8. Gore would publish huge volumes of plans and policies

And they'd still accuse him of "fuzzy math" or some such thing.

By now it should be obvious that Chimpy only had ONE plan when he got into office:

-- To make his rich friends richer

It's the underlying goal behind every action this administration has taken.

[GainesT1958]

4. I agree with you completely about Dub's problem...

And about letting them know--in no uncertain terms--about his history of "problems"!

The only thing is, if we're blessed with nominating the person who really WILL be his successor next year, in 2005 Iraq will be the problem Dub & Co. will gladly dump in that successor's lap. In other words, it will become OUR problem. And we will need to answer how we'll deal with it.

The good news is, of course, that we've got several candidates who are capable not only of giving those answers, but in implementing them effectively. Which is why I'm not worried about them saying "you don't have a plan" for Iraq. Our candidates are big boys and girls, and they have plans that are actually thought through--unlike Dub and his playmates.

B-)

[Monte Carlo]

5. Simple: "We're still waiting for Bush's plan, too."

You know, a military plan that doesn't involve hugs and rosewater.

[wadestock]

9. Be careful to note....

The "you don't have a plan" is a pure desperate lie.
It's just that simple.

Thank God the group of Dems running have gotten their act together considerably better on exactly what the problem is and what they should do about it.

They have been very impressive in the fact that we CAN afford some workable form of health care.

We CAN pull out of Iraq and stop the sick dream of the US taking over the region.

We CAN put money into the middle class and get more returns than piling it ever so high on the top.

If anything is lacking....it's a temperate and more practical stance on the economy....with direct analogy to the success of Clinton, that all that is really required is a "tweak" of the upper rate to get back the lost revenue that is necessary to balance the budget and start to pay down the debt.

They should be more keen to look to the 12 European nations and Canada and show that upper rate taxes of 50% are not stifling to ANY economy....and allow much greater well being for the middle class.

Clinton raised it only 8% to 38% and look at the overall well-being that resulted from that. The rich DIDN'T lose ANY money during that period...but instead still profitted at a rate higher than those under them.

This is pure highschool level logic. The upper 1% is a boat load of money that can be easily tapped into to reverse the debt situation and provide some basic necessary comforts for the nation.

[rocktivity]

10. "THEY have a plan--and THAT'S what you'd better worry about!"

"They're planning to loot the treasury, shift the tax burden to the the what's left of the middle class, bust the unions, privatize public sector jobs, keep us on a permanent war economy so their defense contractor friends can cash in, ignore the needs of the poor and unemployed, make discrimination fashionable again, and take away your civil rights. Of course we have a plan--it's to put THEIR plan out of business, and it must be a good one because it's getting relatively little coverage in the press. And if we DON'T put their plan out of business, we'll end up no better off than the Iraqis are!"


rocknation

[On the Road]

11. Don't Have a Plan

The Democrats were in power for eight years in the 90's. Their plan worked just as they said it would, if not better.

[radwriter0555]

12. What's BUSH'S plan for getting the whole country out of IRAQ, POVERTY,

unaffordable health care, unemployment, massive deficits, massive layoffs, massive strikes?

Simply counter by asking what the BUSH plan is. Put the idiots on the defensive.

[OldSoldier]

14. Oh gawd. You know what Bush's plan is.

Tax cuts for the rich.