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Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:03 PM
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Hardball: Another Republican Lovefest
The Big Story: The CBS Reagan Miniseries, all GOPpers there to defend Ronnie against this evil smear job

Then: The Economic Rebound! One of the Dopes from CNBC will be on to say its a good for Bushie
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:05 PM
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1. There is no reason to watch Hardball at all.
It is as fair and balanced as Faux. Why bother?
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:10 PM
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2. Are you honestly surprised?
Ed Rollins claims that Reagan wanted to fund AIDS research from the beginning... BULLSHIT. He was going to cut funding for it until Rock Hudson died. Suddenly, the AIDS epidemic had affected someone close to him and he cared. Bit like the Republicans defending stem cell research in order to prolong Reagan's life.

Heads up, Peggy Noonan will be on to give her unbiased opinion of this vicious attack on our beloved, jellybean-eating former president.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:12 PM
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4. And one more thing
... Matthews claims that the movie Nixon portrayed our dear former president Dick Nixon as a liar and a crook.

Gee, no shit. Truth hurts.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:10 PM
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3. The only way those sycophants would be happy with that movie is
Edited on Tue Oct-21-03 06:11 PM by Cat Atomic
if Reagan turned water into wine and walked on water.

He actually could turn ketchup into a vegetable- but the water/wine thing always eluded him.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:12 PM
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5. Tweety is throwing spittle everywhere
He's really on a rant. Thinks the filmmakers should be sued, called them bastards. He's really wigging out. I've rarely seen him so wacked.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 07:23 PM
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27. Maybe he's auditioning for Rush's job?
Seriously, we ought to sue Matthews for misrepresenting himself as a Democrat.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:13 PM
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6. Well,
I'd rather they waste airtime on Reagan than more on Bush. I'm sick of seeing the "Flyboy" program ads, and sick of seeing and hearing that toxic waste pour out of Bitchy Barbara Bush's mouth. I can't stand that woman.
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julka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:14 PM
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7. tried to watch, but couldn't
turned it off when these PROPAGANDISTS called it anti-Reagan propaganda!

the worst of all possible worlds.....smug, lying, projecting hypocrites.

a person can only take so much.

very surprised that Noonan wasn't on.......she must be off somewhere having her age spots bleached
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:17 PM
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8. Adding on Here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=566814

568731, Tweety Is "Setting the Record Straight" Already
Posted by UTUSN on Tue Oct-21-03 07:04 PM

Right off the bat he's got 2 RAYGUN biographers and Ed ROLLINS and gets them to say, no, none of them were consulted for this film. He's already used the phrase "the nonsense in it" and that "It sensationalizes aspects of his life". Tweety sez, "I don't think much of this project from what I've heard."

568761, Tweety: "Liberals Don't Even Know Their Own Biases"
Posted by UTUSN on Tue Oct-21-03 07:09 PM

ROLLINS sez, "Everybody in the WH was concerned about AIDS." Lou CANNON, biographer sez it's unfair to slam him as anti-Gay. Tweety's headline: "Smear Job on (RAYGUN)?" Martin ANDERSON, author, sez, "He sat us down and told us 'Leave them alone'." Tweety, "Did (RAYGUN) use words like 'Commie'? Lou, did you ever find that he testified against anybody?" Lou, "He testified at HUAC, but didn't name names. Liberal publications of the day praised him." Tweety, "The kind of crap that goes on in Hollywood."

568792, ROLLINS, "Myth of Nancy Deciding Everything with Astrologers"
Posted by UTUSN on Tue Oct-21-03 07:12 PM

Tweety, "They always do this crap, stick the knife in NIXON."

Yes, folks, Tweety has come to this, even defending NIXON. He's on to his next big goal: electing Shrub-=---will the economy improve enough to help (Shrub) get elected?????????




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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:22 PM
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9. Next Tweety Takes on KERRY and Nat
Going to break he said, "Last night KERRY attacked DEAN, what a night that was, and it tells you a lot about John KERRY. And later, (the kid who exposed the airline security breaches), the debate about that, and I know what side I'M on." (Let's guess.)
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:42 PM
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15. Is That True?
Or are you joking?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:22 PM
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33. Nope, Tweety said it.
No joke.

Kerry's criticisms of Dean were pretty mild. Tweety is exaggerating for effect.

Read the running thread on last night's show. Noone batted an eyelash over it here, and you know they would if they thought Kerry was attacking Dean unfairly.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:14 PM
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31. What does that mean?
"Last night KERRY attacked DEAN, what a night that was, and it tells you a lot about John KERRY"
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:26 PM
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10. For a media whore who trashed Gore so ruthlessly
it's ironic that he thinks Hollywood should be sued for saying anything, true or not, that might be interpreted as slightly negative about Raygun.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:29 PM
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11. Tweety Loves How RAYGUN Beat CARTER & Tip
It's Tweety's flunky personality, to be blinded by "success, WINNERs".
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:53 PM
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20. F--- Tweety!
:puke:
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BuckeFushe Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:30 PM
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12. Tweetie should just suck Roger Ailes off in public and join FAUX
Tired of this crap. MSNobodyCares, Scarborough, Tweetie, Ventura, floating in the breeze, no direction or purpose, another "metoo wannabe" disinforming the public.

This sucks. NOWHERE is there NEWS FOR US OR DISCUSSION ANYWHERE without a lot of effort. DON'T lecture me on "internet radio" I listen to it, but I WANT TO WATCH OUR VIEWS AND OPINION ON TV AND LISTEN TO IT IN MY CAR.


This sucks.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:31 PM
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13. Who watches Hardball!!!! Tweety is worse than Hannity!!!
.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:40 PM
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14. Tweets: "pRez (Shrub): PARDON THIS KID" (Yeah-right)
Edited on Tue Oct-21-03 06:41 PM by UTUSN
Sounds like Tweety is delving in what LITTLE is left of his bleeding heart. --------WHOA!---Tweety is saying that "the pResident should exercise his pardon power, try the kid and sentence him and (Shrub) PARDON him"--------yeah, RIGHT! Does Tweety REALLY BELIEVE Shrub has a drop of decency, the Shrub who set records with executions and laughed. Tweety actually ended with, "pResident (Shrub): PARDON THIS KID, PARDON THIS KID!!!!" Earlier he also said, "Not the sleaze CLINTON did."
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:46 PM
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16. Time for the KERRY Bash (FINEMAN)
Tweety, "Where does he stand on Iraq based on this answer?" FINEMAN, "He stands all over the map, all over the country."
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:52 PM
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18. Back to "RAYGUN Mini-Series Is TRASH" (Tweety)
"Coming up, Is a new RAYGUN Mini-series REVISING HISTORY-------*I* think so, I think it's TRASH."
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:53 PM
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19. They want it in black and white and it drives them crazy that Kerry's
position is nuanced. He believed in removing Saddam, as did most people, yet wanted diplomacy exhausted first with war as a last resort. They want Yes or No and anything else is incomprehensible to them, and another opportunity to slam him. Now saying he's trying to be all things to all people like another (Clinton).
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:52 PM
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17. If Bush wants to remain consistent
... he'll have that kid of the first flight to Gitmo.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:54 PM
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21. With LIMBOsevic?
(The hard time part of the drug part.)
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:57 PM
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22. "Mini-series, Doesn't look promising, not historically accurate"
Tweety: "I grew up with Ronald RAYGUN all my life"-------HUH? "He didn't talk in this way, cartoonish words like 'Commie'."
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 07:00 PM
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23. "Libs soften up the (Repuke) target, then stick the DAGGER in"
Tweety: "It's ideological, it's a combination of money and (something something). It's about money, it's about SCREWING people without being sued. I will DENOUNCE movies like this FOREVER."

That's all, folks, and all I can take.
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 07:12 PM
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24. "SCREWING people without being sued"
That's exactly what he's been doing for years.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 07:18 PM
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26. Pruneface Reagan WAS a commie...
... or worse, a mobster. Then he got smart when J Edgar Hoover and Joe McCarthy started sniffing around Hollywood. The turd Raygun was in the pocket of the Mafia. When he was president of the Screen Actors Guild, Reagan made an exemption for MCA to represent the talent making movies and TV shows, as well as serve as the producers of movies and TV shows. When he was called to testify before a Grand Jury investigating such corruption and asked why only MCA was given such an exemption, the monkey-skulled moron said "I don't remember."

I kid you not. It's detailed in Dan Moldea's "Dark Victory: Reagan, MCA and the Mob."

http://www.moldea.com/MCA.html

BTW: I wonder if the BFEE got to Moldea, because he seriously Posnered his RFK assassination study.

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:05 PM
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30. The BFEE didn't get to Moldea
Never forget that it was Moldea who prevented the removal of Bill Clinton from office.

Never forget that Danny Moldea stood against the OIC, providing a tape recording incriminating OIC.

Never forget that Danny Moldea's investigations for the Flynt project took down Bill Livingston.

(and yes, Moldea is a friend of mine)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:59 PM
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41. So, with all DU (and due) respect, "What happened?"
... in the RFK assassination investigation? From what I understood, Dan Moldea was leaning toward conspiracy, then changed abruptly and went lone gunman. What caused him to change his interpretation?

BTW: As I wasn't there that horrible day, nor have I met people who were, I don't know what happened. All I can go by is what I read, hear, and can figure out for myself. The most compelling evidence for conspiracy is:

1. Coroner Thomas Naguchi stated the wound to the back of RFK's head was caused by a weapon fired in close proximity, no farther than a few inches.

2. Sirhan Sirhan, according to eyewitnesses, was positioned in front of the Senator, and at least one yard away.

3. The exact number of bullet holes was not verified by independent researchers because the LAPD destroyed the physical evidence removed from the crime scene, as well as photos taken there.

4. Photos of RFK show him holding a man's clip-on necktie, alleged to belong to the security guard Thane Eugene Cesar.

5. Witnesses reported Mr. Caesar knelt behind the mortally wounded RFK with a drawn handgun. (I remember seeing a photo once, but haven't seen it again...)

If Mr. Moldea sees the facts at a way that is opposed to how I see them — great. I respect the work he's done and respect his interpretation of what happened. That doesn't necessarily mean I agree, however.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 12:42 AM
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44. well...
....I wasn't making any claim about Moldea's RFK book. I just said don't forget all he's done and the BFEE didn't get him. (And I think we agree on that, so we're cool.)
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julka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:20 PM
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32. wonder what they have to say about THESE.....
"Fascism was really the basis for the New Deal."

"You can't help those who simply will not be helped. One problem that we've had, even in the best of times, is people who are sleeping on the grates, the homeless who are homeless, you might say, by choice."

"The American Petroleum Institute filed suit against the EPA charged that the agency was suppressing a scientific study for fear it might be misinterpreted... The suppressed study reveals that 80 percent of air pollution comes not from chimneys and auto exhaust pipes, but from plants and trees."

"A tree is a tree. How many more do you have to look at?"


http://www.allhatnocattle.net/reagan%20quotes.htm

many, many, MANY more sites like that

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 07:13 PM
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25. Tweety knows where the Anthrax comes from.
Otherwise he couldn't possibly be such a turd, could he?

I tuned in (Oct. 21 @ 7 pm ET) to hear Sen. Kerry and all I got was Tweety interrupting the guy to talk about the Little Turd from Crawford. Then, when he brought GOP toadies out, they ALL worked to trash Kerry, who by then was off camera. A real nice piece of work, if your politics matches Josef Goebbels'.

Hey, Chris Matthews! You're a TRAITOR!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 07:30 PM
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28. Here's MWO's take on Tweety and Kerry's Iraq stance:
Dem Voters Want Resolution-Supporters, Bush Critics
Not Buying Media Script, Recognizing Complexity

John Kerry patiently explains to Chris Matthews that sometimes things are complicated in life (Hardball -10/20):


MATTHEWS:   I don’t hear that clarity in your answer right now-the clarity of being for or against the damn war.

KERRY: Well, Chris, God bless you, but I have to tell you, man, sometimes in foreign policy, certain things are complicated. Life is complicated. And the fact is, that there was a legitimate rationale for the United States to hold Saddam Hussein accountable, but there was every reason in the world to hold him accountable properly.

>>>>>>>>
A new poll shows a majority of Democratic voters in three early primary states saying they prefer a candidate who originally supported action in Iraq, but who has since criticized Bush's disastrously incompetent handling of the issue.

As we have said many times, it is a Rovian/media whore lie to present an Iraq position like Senator John Kerry's as inconsistent.  Those who level that charge, including other Democrats, do so dishonestly, as they fully understand there is no inconsistency in Kerry's Iraq record.  Cheap claims otherwise are made in the hope that a segment of Moron-Americans will be convinced.  (Claims that Democrats could have defeated the Iraq resolution in 2002 are equally mendacious, as is the claim that Democrats could have avoided losses in that election had Senator Kerry and others taken a stronger stand against an Iraq invasion.)

The fact is, the views of most Americans have evolved significantly on the issue in terms of support for the war, and how the Unelected Fraud handled it.  A vast majority, including significant numbers of Democrats, gave the Bush Regime the benefit of the doubt on Iraq, but eventually began to recognize later the "war" was based on lies and deceit, and had been badly mishandled to the detriment of American status and security.

Regardless of how aggressively the media whores attempt to sell the myth of support for action in Iraq later followed by criticism of the White House Squatter as a Democratic "liability" - especially for the Democratic primaries - the majority of Americans at large and Democrats will not only continue to understand that position, but, as the poll shows, support it above others.
>>>>>

More at mediawhoresonline
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RuB Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 07:45 PM
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29. I refuse to watch someone who propagates lies
plus Matthews embraced Ahhnold and allowed him to lie to )an already gullible people) Californians unchecked.
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julka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:23 PM
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34. why didn't Tweet T have this guy on?
"They told stories about how inattentive and inept the President was.... They said he wouldn't come to work--all he wanted to do was to watch movies and television at the residence."
--Jim Cannon (an aide to Howard Baker) reporting what Reagan's underlings told him, Landslide: The Unmaking of the President: 1984-88

qu'est que c'est?:

"What planet is he living on?"
--President Mitterand of France poses this question about Reagan to Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau.

wot wot?

"Poor dear, there's nothing between his ears."

--British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher



"...like reinventing the wheel."

--Larry Speakes (Reagan's former press secretary) describing what it was like preparing the President for a press conference, Speaking Out: The Reagan Presidency from Inside the White House


http://www.geocities.com/thereaganyears/reaganquotes.htm

can you say "memory hole?"
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julka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:27 PM
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35. thanks to loonman.......
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:29 PM
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36. Tweety still burning up about being humbled by Kerry
Edited on Tue Oct-21-03 08:30 PM by Cocoa
he had to get his shots in without Kerry there to point out Tweety's misrepresentations. And with Fineman there to join in the fun.

Tweety couldn't even look at Kerry after Kerry turned his applause trick around on him. When they cut to break, Kerry was staring down at him with a huge grin on his face, and Tweety was looking down at his notes. :-)

And of course all the republicans had a lot to say about the movie none of them had seen. James Warren did a good job pointing out that no one had seen the movie, and also the right-wing ownership of all the media outlets.
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julka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:30 PM
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37. Reagan has the solution to Iraq
"It's silly talking about how many years we will have to spend in the jungles of Vietnam when we could pave the whole country and put parking stripes on it and still be home by Christmas."
--Ronald Reagan (candidate for Governor of California), interviewed in the Fresno Bee, October 10, 1965

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julka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:33 PM
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38. too easy......last one
"I know all the bad things that happened in that war. I was in uniform four years myself."
--President Reagan, in an interview with foreign journalists, April 19, 1985. ("In costume" is more like it. Reagan spent World War II making Army training films at Hal Roach Studios in Hollywood.)
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Michael Harrington Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 02:43 AM
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45. On at least two occasions...
He claimed to have personally filmed concentration camps as they were liberated, once to Yitzhak Shamir and another time to Simon Wiesenthal.

Also, Matthews has admitted in the past that his family voted for Nixon in 1960. One of @ 22 Catholic households in the nation that did, so I'm guessing Nixon probably visited and thanked them personally.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:39 PM
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39. Ever
notice when hes admiring himself in the monitor and hes smiling and posing saying "gee aint I good looking and clever to boot" I laugh at the moron and change the station. Tweetys a media whore to the Bushs. Big surprise, Hes got no balls. Wuss Bravery comes when you stop kissing up to the party in power and start questioning them.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:41 PM
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40. I hope people are emailing this link to him
so he can see what people think of him.
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 09:35 PM
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42. Some Economic Rebound! It's A Jobless Recovery, Stupid!
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 11:15 PM
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43. They call it an economic rebound
Edited on Tue Oct-21-03 11:16 PM by elperromagico
because the pundits at Faux and MSGOP know that their viewers take everything they see at face value. Those dittoheads won't check other sources; they're a bunch of sheep.

Faux/MSGOP viewers are the same people who believe David Copperfield can really make the Statue of Liberty disappear... and think he ought to be arrested for it "cuz he looks kinda Arabic."
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