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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 08:20 AM
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Andrew Cuomo criticizes Democrats, praises Bush


October 22, 2003 -- ALBANY - In a scathing rebuke to his own party, Andrew Cuomo is charging that Democrats are "lost in time," often appear "bloodless, soulless and clueless," and have "fumbled" their role in the post-9/11 world.
What's more, Cuomo is praising President Bush "for recognizing the challenge of 9/11 and rising to it."

Cuomo's startling observations - which often read like a Republican attack on the Democratic Party - appear in "Crossroads: The Future of American Politics," a just-published Random House book for which the former federal housing secretary and unsuccessful Democratic gubernatorial hopeful served as editor.

"Democrats lost elections in 2000 and 2002 because we were lost in time," wrote Cuomo, son of former Gov. Mario Cuomo, in a 24-page essay.

"We expressed no clear vision for the future.

more: http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/8793.htm
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Brucey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 08:22 AM
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1. Yes, Dems had no clear vision... like
which brown people to bomb.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 08:24 AM
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2. Why does a terrorist attack make so many Americans...
bent on World Domination?

Is that the proper response & I'm just insensitive?
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 08:25 AM
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3. NYPost has been pretty busy...
...lately taking a keen interest in what "Democrats" have to say about other Democrats. Gee, what's up with that?
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 09:58 AM
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17. I was thinking the same thing
I just finished reading that Clark-Rangel-Vieques thread. I have a feeling we need to see Cuomo's comments in their entirety, instead of inflammatory excerpts the N.Y. Post chooses to print.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 12:04 PM
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25. And DUers believe what Murdoch writes
Incredible!
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 08:28 AM
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4. Yeah, I'm sure he's not bitter that he lost the dem nomination...
For mayor of NYC. But he ran a super sh*tty campaign and came across as angry and bitter. I see he learned no lesson from his sound drubbing. Or maybe just the wrong lesson.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 08:31 AM
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5. Consider the sources:
1) It's the New York Post, a.k.a. the Mur Dock Post, and they might just be spinning and cherry-picking;
2) It's Andrew Cuomo. So what? He's been an adequate public servant, but his biggest asset is still his family name.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 08:31 AM
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6. I have trouble taking seriously any Democrats from
New York City. Sometimes I get the impression they feel they need to be first in line and now that resources are getting scarce, many seem to be playing up to Republicans, instead of taking responsibility for the decisions in the Democratic party that THEY helped make that made the party lost in time.

I mean really. Cuomo, Lieberman and the other Democratic Dem basher, wotzhisname, were very much active politicians when the party fell. Obviously, what they were doing didn't work. Why should we listen to them now?
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 08:37 AM
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10. Ed Koch?
a big-time democratic dem-basher.
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GabysPoppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 09:07 AM
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15. Ed Koch
He hasn't been a Democrat for more than a decade. Ever since New Yorkers dumped him in favor of David Dinkins he has been in bed with Al D'Amato. Look up petty, revengeful person in a dictionary and Ed's picture is there in lieu of a definition.

And for the above person, Joe Lieberman is not from New York. And with the likes of people like Charlie Rangel, Jerry Nadler and Carolyn Maloney, NYC is in fine shape thank you.

Chuck and Hillary are a fine pair of senators. Perhaps we need more states like NY.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 11:30 AM
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21. Yes, Ed Koch.
And thanks for the correction on Lieberman. It just seems he is deriving support for his presidential bid from that city. I could be wrong, but he's painted so favorably in the New York Times, that it does appear that way.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 12:05 PM
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26. WTF??
Lieberman isn't from NYC or NY State. Why would you think Lieberman is a NYer? Is it because he's Jewish?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 01:50 PM
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27. Maybe you can tell me why
the New York Times was giving him good write-ups a few weeks back? I'm wondering why he's still hanging on. Where is he getting his support from?
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Racenut20 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 08:35 AM
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7. Sometimes the acorn
falls faaaaaar from the tree.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 08:36 AM
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8. he's mad at the dems for helping ease him out of the 2002
New York's governors race. Just how did Dems politicize 9/11? it was and has been Bush who has been running on this.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 08:36 AM
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Zell Miller?
It's time to clean house.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 08:36 AM
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9. We fumbled 9/11?
Fuck you, Cuomo. Seems like I remember Bush and his buddies being asleep at the wheel when 9/11 happened.

Bush deserves no credit, at all. He has taken the tragedy and made it his personal success. He has only gained from 9/11, and used it to spread imperialism and fascism. Besides, anyone would have come out looking like a hero after what happened that day.
As a country, we need to face the fact that Bush is a god damned coward, a moron, and is most certanily not a leader.

Maybe if we had genuine leadership, we wouldn't have millions of Americans scared to death that they will die in a terrorist attack sometime in the near future.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 08:44 AM
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11. The Horror(witz), The Horror(witz)...
Methinks (if the Post story is accurate, which is not a given) Andrew has gone as far as he can on his Dad's name, and feels too entitled to patiently work his way up the rest of the way up the totem pole on his own, so he's drumming up some buzz by taking a hard right turn.

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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 08:50 AM
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12. Are there any REAL Democrats left in New York??
Not that I believe anything printed in the NY Post, but come on, this is ridiculous. Andrew Cuomo??

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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 09:07 AM
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14. Yes, but Lil' Orphan Andy doesn't seem to want to be one...
n/t
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 09:04 AM
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13. As he father once implored clueless Dems
Cuomo should "rip the donkey from his lapel"
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 09:27 AM
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16. Bitter about last years governors race and his divorce from.....
a Kennedy!!! FU Andy!!! You are a disgrace!!! With Dem's like this who needs Rethugs!!!
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Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 10:17 AM
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18. I guess Cuomo loves Bush's vision. What a friggin' rube.
What is so appealing with Bush's vision? That it is simplistic and ignores the complexity of the real world?
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 11:27 AM
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19. if the repubes had REALLY risen to the 9/11 "challenge"
then it would've been impossible for that kid to smuggle boxcutters and clay, etc, onto several different planes, and not get caught!!!

HOMELAND SECURITY DOES NOTHING BUT SPEND MONEY AND SOUND GOOD!!!!!


dammit!!


:grr:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 11:29 AM
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20. Gee. To think I really liked this kid, once.
For a lawyer, he really needs to watch what he writes.

Good luck in the GOP, Andy!
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 11:31 AM
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22. He's pissed at the NY Dem Party for not supporting him in the primary
I could almost agree with him about the Dmes lacking vision, but pandering to Dumbo is too much!
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jeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 11:49 AM
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23. Cuomo lost the 2002 Democratic primary
Because he attacks Democrats and praises Republicans.

P.S. Wasn't Cuomo the one who said that Pataki "held Guilliani's coat on September 11?"

Kind of hypocritical.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 12:02 PM
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24. perhaps this is why caroline divorced his misinformed ass
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 01:53 PM
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28. My clear vision of the future is to beat Andrew Cuomo with a cro-bar. :)
Kidding.

Still however - I don't have much respect of this kind of stuff. Yes, we need to always be able the effort to articulat the clearest and most articulate vision of the future, and yes we've got some problems - for one I don't think the party leadership is as concerned with articulating a clear vision as they are trying to look and feel just like republicans. But at the same time, I think rumors of our lack of vision "have been greatly exaggerated" and deliberately so by people who aren't really our friends.

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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 02:02 PM
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29. What Do You Call the Crime Where
a father kills his own son ??

in this case, perhaps the right label is: justifiable homicide ...
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 06:31 PM
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30. He deserves to be a cuckold
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