The Ghost of Adolph Hitler: Nazi Influence in America by John Stanton

[bobthedrummer]

it is so painful for those that will never forget, a betrayal beyond comprehension of those that fought and sacrificed so much in WWII to defeat Nazis only to have many of them given identities and jobs as Americans in national security and defense. Then there are our domestic fascists, many of them captains of industry like Prescott Bush, Henry Ford, Mr. Wallace of IBM-and now Arnold...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/STA310A.html

[mainegreen]

1. About the god-nazi connection

Hitler was actually an athiest or agnostic, but like the republicans saw the value in using religion as a form of control. His ultimate goal, however, was to eventually do in the church as well.

[bobthedrummer]

3. Many of his followers and military were devout churchgoers

Hitler and his inner circle practiced occult arts just like BFEE IMO.

[mainegreen]

4. Follow all avenues

For Hitler it was more of an appreciation for older Nordic Mythology and not really any belief in Judeo-Christian mysticism.
I don't doubt the rank and file nazi was religious, just like the rank and file republican.

I suspect that the average high ranking republican is about as religious as Richard Dawkins.

[bobthedrummer]

9. For the US it is similar to Col. Michael Aquino, and his Temple of Set.

While on active duty Col. Aquino was a priest in the Church of Satan which he took over and replaced with his evil worshiping Setian cult.
Col. Aquino allegedly invoked the spirit of Himmler while in Germany another ghost of the Third Reich.
http://www.xeper.org/maquino/index.html
Then there was Jack Parsons of JPL.
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/jack_parsons.htm
Lots of occult practioners keeping Hitler's ghost around US today, but since it is hidden and so tin-foil related it seldom gets press IMO.

[PassingFair]

45. Gott Mitt Uns

n/t

[mrgorth]

67. Hitler oppressed heathens too

Worship of the norse gods didn't go over any better in Germany. Hitler wanted to create a sort of state worshiping church.

[PsychoDad]

26. Hitler and Himmler

Hitler and Himmler, more so Himmler, was attempting to create a nordic neo-paganism tied to the state and the idea of "aryan" purity.

Christanity carried too much baggage. Founded by a jew, it taught tolerance, acceptance and love for other humans. Not exactally what the nazi's wanted stressed. Himmler's plan was to ditch it altogether.

Today's neocon's see the value in the name of christanity, if not it's teachings, abd have thus decided to subvert it from within.

[BJ]

2. It's past time that people wake up to this

I haven't thought, since Reagan, that calling the ruling element of the Republcian Party fascist was out of line. There are still some decent Republicans but they are getting few and far between.

[jonoboy]

5. your either with us or against us

decent (?) Republicans that follow the ruling facists..it works both ways

[KoKo]

6. But then why are so many Jews allied now with this Nazi Administration?

That's the part that is so frustrating. And, yet, I don't see an explanation that makes sense unless one looks at the Armageddon theory that the alliance has been forged with the Fundie Christians, to achieve some stability for Israel.

Still, how does one explain the odd bedfellows of the William Krystols/PNAC alliance with the Bush/Ashcroft/Cheney triangle.

[Eloriel]

47. It's FASCISM, not

Jew-hating Nazism. The man who influenced these Jewish fascists, Leo Strauss, called for "universal fascism," which was basically Nazism (fascism) which included (allowed) Jews too. Strauss was greatly inspired by Hitler, and some of the German philosophers who influenced Hitler. Hitler's movement just didn't want him.

Eloriel

[AP]

48. Fascism relies on exploiting fear of a racial/national "other" -- doesn't

have to be Jews.

A big reason it was Jews during WWII, was because Jews had a lot of economic wealth which the Nazis and their accomplices could appropriate by exploiting fear and hatred of them.

[Character Assassin]

7. He get's a 'A' for creative writing and an 'F' for historical analysis

He's a veritable pogo stick when it comes to conclusions.

[KoKo]

8. Sort of what I thought about the article.

Odd conclusions. I don't believe Henry Ford was a Nazi. A pragmatic businessman. But, not a Nazi.

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[Character Assassin]

10. He was incredibly anti-semetic, though

[mainegreen]

11. I've heard that before

But is there proof, or is it all heresay?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

16. Read Henry Ford's "The International Jew The World's Foremost Problem"

http://abbc.com/ford/

[JackSwift]

17. Yeah, it's out there, just google it

Ford paid for the publication of a lot of anti-Semitic stuff. The Nazis even borrowed a lot of it. When it became apparent how much was being used by the Nazis, he backed off a bit, but not much. But for famous people, Henry Ford and Martin Luther are right up there as vicious anti-Semites.

[bobthedrummer]

14. Henry was an anti-semite that received the highest civilian award of

the Third Reich {Order of the German Eagle} in 1998 Ford Motor Company quietly agreed to pay $13M into a compensation fund for Nazi era slave laborers and an additional $4M into promotion of human rights projects over allegations that Ford-Werke used slaves from Auschwitz to produce armored vehicles for the Nazis.

Prior to WWII Henry founded a Detroit newspaper to publish his bigotry against Jews, Speer and Hitler and Ford all had a mutual liking and admiration of one another.
Food for thought, anyway.

[mainegreen]

15. Well, that just about proves it

Thanks.

I guess next time I'll by a chevy. They havn't used slave labor, have they?

[MadHound]

23. Actually if you read up on Hitler

You will find that one of his early major influences was Henry Ford. Ford was an incredibly anti-semitic man, who wrote a great deal on the subject. Hitler read these after WWI ended and was profoundly influenced. Another factor was Ford's rabid anti-Communism and commitment to facism as the way to combat it. He not only donated money and goods to Hitler's fledgling party abroad, but also to the US Nazi party(which by the by was the third largest political party in the US at one time, electing many state and local reps).

Nazism has had a profound influence on the US, mostly for the worse. Besides what the author wrote(which is spot on in a lot of places), it is interesting to note that many of the medical advances that we currently enjoy are directly or indirectly linked to the work done by both the Nazis and the Japanese in their concentration camps. The state of the art in areas such as burn treatment, hypothermia, poison control and treatment, head wounds, disease cures, and so on are a result of research done on human subjects during and before WWII.

In politics here Nazism is still moving quietly behind the scenes. We all know of Shrubs grandfather Prescott funding Hitler. But how about his father actually taking on former Nazis as his advisors? This is the story that the Washington weekly "Jewish Week" broke in 1988. The publication of this story forced GHW Bush to drop these advisors, only to pick them back up later after the uproar had died down. And judging by what we've seen the Shrub doing over the past three years, Bushco is still using the same pages that they ripped out of Hitler's playbook(can you say the big lie? using the threat of attacks to crack down on civil liberties? scapegoating?)

And it is not only within the halls of government that we see Nazism rear it's ugly head. The corporate world is filled with Nazis, neo-Nazis and facist ideology. Companies from Ford to Alcoa to IBM and more all helped out Nazi Germany during it's heyday. Corporate leaders and familys like the Coors have been known to fund neo-Nazis and facists even up to today. It is interesting to read some of the think tanks and foundations that they donate to, here is a partial list, courtesty of the Southern Poverty Law Center. Note the many "race scientists" that are employed. <http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=106>

Nazism is alive, well, and spreading it's incidious tentacles throughout our society. It is not in your face, but rest assured, it is there. It is there when you hear hate radio spreading lies and distortion. It is there when you watch Fox News. It is there when you liberties are stripped away ala the Patriot Act. It is there in the symbolism that this administration uses.
Homeland, Leader, Patriotism. It is all there just waiting for you to recognize it. Now then the question becomes what are you going to do about it?

[bobthedrummer]

27. Thanks for the link, MadHound

:hi:
n/t

[AP]

52. Didn't Ford fund an anti-Jew newsletter?

I think there's a pretty clear historical record suggesting Ford was very sympathetic of fascism and Naziism.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

13. Exactly RIght Characer Assassin

for instance, notice how the author moves seamlessly, without even realizing he contradicts himself, from the fact that Nazis killed Christians to suggesting that Christians are Nazis.

Another thing, Arabs helped Jews during the Spanish Inquisition, when Christians were killing Muslims and Jews en masse. Many Jews relocated to N. Africa and the Middle East from Europe during this time, and lived peacefully with Muslims. ANd so it was for a while. In the 1930's Anti-semitism then spread through the M.E. and N Africa as the Nazis allied themselves with Arab factions and nations. My point is that the author failed to mention the fact that the Islamic terrorist organization AL Qaeda is also heavily influenced by Nazi philosophy.

[seemslikeadream]

19. How did Hitler get the names?

Only with IBM's technologic assistance was Hitler able to achive the staggering numbers of the Holocaust.

Only after Jews were identified -- a massive and comples task that Hitler wanted done immediately --could they be targeted for efficient asset confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, enslaved labor, and , ultimately, annihilation. Itt was a cross-tabulation and organizational challenge so monumental, it called for a computer. Of course, in the 1930's no computer existed.

But IBM's Hollerith punch card technology did exist. Aided by the company's custom-designed and constantly updated Hollerith systems, Hitler was able to automate his persecution of the Jews. Historians have always been amazed at the speed and accuracy with which the Nazis were able to identify and locate European Jewry. The fact is, IBM technology was used to organize nearly everything in Germany and then Nazi Eurpoe, from the identification of the Jews in censuses, registrations, and ancestral tracing programs to the running of railroads and organizing of concentration camp slave labor.

IBM and its German subsidiary custom-designed comples solutions, one by one, anticipating the Reich's needs. They did not merely sell the machines and walk away. Instead, IBM leased these machines for high fees and became the sole source of the billions of punch cards Hitler needed.

IBM and the Holocaust by Edwin Black

http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/

[Character Assassin]

20. No one is arguing that IBM didn't assist the Nazi's.

They did.

The point is that the contention that Hitler has had some sort of direct, personal and long-term influence over the US is, to say the very least, not supported by what the author has presented.

[bobthedrummer]

21. The perception I have was more generalized; ergo Nazi influence

in US, which is documentable.

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/waryearsp5.html

http://www.archives.gov/research_room/holocaust_era_assets/bibliographies/trade_with_third_reich.html

[seemslikeadream]

22. What I'm trying to point out

is that its just the other way around. Americans had direct personal and long term influence over Hitler. It was American eugenicist Madison Grant that inspired Hitler. The U.S. government sterilizing 60,000 people in 27 states way before Hitler came along.

Tens of thousands of others were institutionalized and /or denied the right to marry whom they chose. In the last year or so, governors from five states Virigina, Oregon, California, North Carolina, and South Carolina have apologized for their states' offical efforts to wipe out their unwanted citizens.

After Nuremberg declared eugenics to be genocide and a crime against humanity, the American eugenics movement did not disappear, it simply went underground, changed its name, and reappeared as "human genetics."

[Unknown Known]

24. Correct. The American Eugenics movement influenced Hitler...

and was funded by our country's richest and elitist. In order to understand Hitler and the money behind him, you have to understand the eugenics movement which had its largest base in the U.S.

[seemslikeadream]

25. Thank you

Edwin Black's book War Against the Weak reveals that eugenics-sham science made up to justify ethnic cleansing had an incredible foothold in America in the early twentieth century, and was in fact championed and funded by America's social, political and academic elite. Black traces the flow of ideas, research, and money from Cold Spring Harbor (Long Island) to Germany, in the process proving that it was America's eugenics program that gave Hitler the scientific justification to escalate his virulent anti-semitism into all out genocide.

The victims of eugenics weren't limited to the groups that have regularly suffered from prejudice in the U.S. they were also the poor, epileptics, alcoholics, people who wore glasses, petty criminals, the mentally ill, and those deemed shiftless

http://www.fourwallseightwindows.com/bookblack1.html

At the center of the eugenics story in the U.S. is the movement's two most ardent exponents, Charles Davenport and Harry Laughlin of the Eugenics Record Office. It was these two indivivuals who lead the movement and never wavered from their support for ending the blood lines of people they deeemed "unfit". Even after the Carnegie Institute closed the ERO at the end of 1939, partly out of embarrassment at being associated with the racism of the movement, and the horrors Nazi dominated Europe being publicized to the world, Davenport and Laughlin still defended their racist ideology as a legitimate science. They never severed their ties with the German eugenics movement.

The idea of the "unfit" is highly subjective notion, but it included the usual suspects deemed a burden on societ: African-Americans, Mexicans, and Native Americans.

The list of groups and agencies conducting eugenics research was long, from the U.S. Army and the Departments of Labor and Agriculture to organizations with names like the "American Breeders Association."

[Capn Sunshine]

43. Not all the damage was from famous guys

Many would say the most powerful American anti-Semite was practically unknown. Breckinridge Long, who claimed to be under persistent attack from "Jewish agitators (who) all hate me", was a former ambassador to Italy and great admirer of Mussolini.

As the U.S. State Department's man in charge of helping Europe's Jews, he deliberately created bureaucratic obstacles for refugees seeking visas, and found ways to block many humanitarian efforts. 90% of the immigration quotas from countries controlled by Germany and Italy were therefore never filled. Had they been, it's estimated that the lives of 200,000 people could have been saved.

PBS special " The perilous fight- WW2 In color"

[seemslikeadream]

12. In the wake of the Civil War and the mass immigrations

of the late 19th century, the specter of "mongrelization" haunted the American psyche. One of those concerned about the fate of the nation was Charles Benedict Daveport, a Harvard-educated zoologist. In 1902, he used his position as director of the Brooklyn Institute's biological research center on Long Island to secure major funding from the newly formed Carnegie Institution to investigate "methods of Evolution."

The theory embraced by Davenport and his colleagues across America was"negative" eugenics. As opposed to the positive version, it sought to improve the species from the population. It proposed segregation, sterilization and if necessary, euthanasia to achieve its goals.

Black's research shows that America's elite supported these ideas from the beginning. Besides Carnegie, early patrons of Davenport's research included the Rockefeller Foundation and Mrs. E.H. Harriman, widow of the railroad tycoon. Eugenics was taught at Harvard, Yale and Princeton. It had the approval of public figures like Margaret Sanger, Woodrow Wilson and Alexander Graham Bell. It even recieved the imprimatur of the U.S. Supreme Court with an opinion written by Oliver Wendell Holmes.Jr.

....The weaker members had long been eliminated by natural selection. This was set out in texts like The Passing of a Great Race by American eugenicist Madison Grant, which Hitler read while imprisoned in the mid '20's for inciting mob violence. (the German translation was published by Hitler's co-conspirator Julius Lehman; Hitler even wrote Grant a fan letter declaring the book his "Bible.")
http://www.popmatters.com/books/reviews/w/war-against-the-weak.shtml

WAR AGAINST THE WEAK
Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race

[Octafish]

41. Lots of organizations supported, and still support, eugenics.

The KKK.
The Mafia.
The NAZIs.
The Rogue Intelligence Community.
The Military-Industrial-Media Complex.
The Bush Organized Crime Family.
The British Roils.

Once they've "legally" eliminated the "undesirables," they'll enslave the survivors and be free to loot the planet. Such swine they are.

[bobthedrummer]

18. The ghost of Hitler at Bell Aviation

SS General Walter Dornberger was in charge of construction and production at the Peenemunde terror rocket base {home of SS officer Werner von Braun's V-1 and V-2's that killed many thousands of innocent civilians in London, Glasgow, Manchester and Holland among other targets}.

Peenemunde was dug out of a mountain by the hands of slaves from the Dora camp as the article mentioned. When production fell, slaves were hung by the dozens on pallets hoisted by overhead cranes, their bodies left up for days.

General Dornberger was sentenced to death after Nuremburg. He was a PAPERCLIP nazi, given an identity and job as an American clandestinely.

Walter Dornberger became VP of Bell Aviation and sold a lot of Hueys during the Vietnam War.

[Vitruvius]

33. The V1 and V2 killed more people making them than

were killed when they were used as weapons. They are the ONLY weapons in history for which this is the case.

[bobthedrummer]

28. Richard McGarrah Helms's maternal grandfather, Gates McGarrah

became the first President of future Nazi Minister of Economics Hjalmar Schacht's vision, the Bank for International Settlements/BIS in 1930.

The PAPERCLIP Nazis also represent the ghost of Hitler in the CIA.
But just think that the extended families of two former Directors of the CIA did business with Nazis, Prescott Bush and Gates McGarrah:puke::argh:The Bush and the Helms clans.

Bush and Auschwitz
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/bushies.htm

[bobthedrummer]

29. Richard McGarrah Helms and Dr. Sydney Gottlieb of the CIA

all those PAPERCLIP Nazis that were in the foundation of the US National Security Act of 1947, the original intelligence failure.
http://www.goordnance.apg.army.mil/OPpaperclip.htm

http://www.infoage.org/paperclip.html

http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/paperclip.html

The ghost of Hitler in the CIA.

[Octafish]

40. The names have changed.

The politics remain the same:

British Royals
Saudi rOILs
NAZIs
KKK
Loonie Robertson Falwell
Mafia
Rogue CIA
Wall Street
MI-Intel-Media-Complex
American Old Money...

The BFEE.

A kick to the BFEE.

[the_real_38]

30. Get over it!

We got our own Hitler to worry about. (Actually two, if you count Ariel Sharon).

[bobthedrummer]

31. When it comes to fascists and The Holocaust-I'll never forget!

n/t

[bobthedrummer]

32. To me the neo-conservative traitors are the spirit of Hitler in the US

corporate fascism run by militarists as foreign policy.

[bobthedrummer]

34. Aryan Nation mention got me thinking when I read it.

I think my mechanic and his friends are close to that, but he was a LURP in the Vietnam War and did spook stuff losing a kidney to a NVA sniper in a spiderhole and becoming a biker. He does great work and barters somewhat. I thanked him years ago for fighting communism as a patriotic American and we spoke of demons and death as realities.

But that's just me. I don't like the reality of racism much as it pervades society on America. The rainbow coalition of racism.

But Aryan Nation comes close as I can see to being swastika admirers today.

[Octafish]

35. Christian Reconstructionism

Can an overlord sin against the üntermenschen? No. Even sin against one’s upper class will be forgiven as long as the ends mean GOP victory. Read 'em and weep, those who don't know:

Christian Reconstructionism

Theocratic Dominionism Gains Influence
by Frederick Clarkson

Part 1

Overview and Roots

The Christian Right has shown impressive resilience and has rebounded dramatically after a series of embarrassing televangelist scandals of the late 1980s, the collapse of Jerry Falwell's Moral Majority, and the failed presidential bid of Pat Robertson. In the 1990s, Christian Right organizing went to the grassroots and exerted wide influence in American politics across the country.

There is no doubt that Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition gets much of the credit for this successful strategic shift to the local level. But another largely overlooked reason for the persistent success of the Christian Right is a theological shift since the 1960s. The catalyst for the shift is Christian Reconstructionism--arguably the driving ideology of the Christian Right in the 1990s.

The significance of the Reconstructionist movement is not its numbers, but the power of its ideas and their surprisingly rapid acceptance. Many on the Christian Right are unaware that they hold Reconstructionist ideas. Because as a theology it is controversial, even among evangelicals, many who are consciously influenced by it avoid the label. This furtiveness is not, however, as significant as the potency of the ideology itself. Generally, Reconstructionism seeks to replace democracy with a theocratic elite that would govern by imposing their interpretation of "Biblical Law." Reconstructionism would eliminate not only democracy but many of its manifestations, such as labor unions, civil rights laws, and public schools. Women would be generally relegated to hearth and home. Insufficiently Christian men would be denied citizenship, perhaps executed. So severe is this theocracy that it would extend capital punishment beyond such crimes as kidnapping, rape, and murder to include, among other things, blasphemy, heresy, adultery, and homosexuality.

Reconstructionism has expanded from the works of a small group of scholars to inform a wide swath of conservative Christian thought and action. While many Reconstructionist political positions are commonly held conservative views, what is significant is that Reconstructionists have created a comprehensive program, with Biblical justifications for far right political policies. Many post-World War II conservative, anticommunist activists were also, if secondarily, conservative Christians. However, the Reconstructionist movement calls on conservatives to be Christians first, and to build a church-based political movement from there.

For much of Reconstructionism's short history it has been an ideology in search of a constituency. But its influence has grown far beyond the founders' expectations. As Reconstructionist author Gary North observes, "We once were shepherds without sheep. No longer."

CONTINUED…

http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/chrisre1.html

[seemslikeadream]

36. Your preachin' to the choir here Octafish

Theonomic Reconstructionist

War on Secular Society

"We need to find ways to win the war" Karl Rove, President Bush's political director told a gathering of the Family Research Council in March 2002. The Family Research Council is on e of the most powerful lobbying organizations of the Religious Right today. Rove wasn't talking about the war on terrorism. He was talkling about the war on secular society.

He explained the nature of the war on secularism, we should go to Pat Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition, who told the Denver Post in 1992 that his goal was to "take working control of the Repubilcan Party."

Robertson named his enemies in a 1992 newsletter, Pat Robertson Perspective, The list includes, among others, the National Organization for Women, the National Education Association, the National Council of Churches, the Gay-Lesbian Caucus, as well as People for the American Way, and Americans United for a Separation of Church and State. They are lumped together as the "RAdical Left."

"The strategy against the American Radical Left should be the same as General Douglas MacArthur employed againstr the Japanese in the Pacific... Bypass their strongholds, then surround them, isolate them, bombard them, then blast the individuals out of their power bunkers with hand to hand combat. The battle for Iwo Jima was not pleasent either, but we will win it." (from the book , The Most Dangerous Man in America? by Rob Boston

[Octafish]

38. Such a nice NAZI...

... sorry if I sound like a broken record, DU Friend seemslikeadream! Wow! In Michigan we got the DeVos people and AMWAY. These fellahs, like their Little Himmler Ralph Reed, really want to take over the whole durn planet. Good thing Pat Robertson is even too much of a NAZI for the British royals, and they're longtime worshippers of Mammon, or we'd be in a world of Larouchian hurt:

Palast investigates.....Pat Robertson: Bank appoints controversial TV evangelist

The Observer, London
Sunday, May 23, 1999

The Bank of Scotland has appointed the controversial American TV evangelist Dr Pat Robertson as chairman of its US retail banking holding company. The fundamentalist minister is known in America as founder and president of the 1.2-million member far-right Christian Coalition and for his statements attacking feminists, homosexuals, Democrats and Hindus.

The Christian Coalition is facing charges by the US Federal Election Commission. Last year, the US Internal Revenue Service, with the agreement of Robertson's ministry, the Christian Broadcast Network, stripped it and three other Robertson-controlled groups of their tax-exempt status for the years 1986 and 1987 for engaging in political activity leading up to his failed US presidential bid.

Robertson has recently become involved in UK businesses. In February he was appointed to the board of directors of Laura Ashley. The following month, Bank of Scotland's British customers protested when it announced the launch of a phone-based US consumer bank holding company with Robertson as 25 per cent owner. He is now chairman of that operation.

An Observer investigation reveals new allegations relating to Robertson's pyramid marketing businesses, which started trading in 1990 and collapsed in 1992. Former executives and close associates claim the lists of donors to his tax-exempt religious charity were used to promote a network marketing operation which operated under the name 'Kalo-Vita', selling vitamins and other items. Under the marketing schemes, each salesperson paid fees for the right to sell the company's products. Within a year, the sales force numbered 20,000.

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=38&row=1

Version of what it all means from Georgia Log Cabin Repukes, also from 1999:

http://www.lcrga.com/archive/199906051415.shtml

[seemslikeadream]

37. Howard Ahmanson California billionaire

bagman for the Theonomic Reconstructionist. He parlayed his fortune into the majority stock of a business called American Information Systems(AIS) started by two brothers, Todd and Bob Ursevich. AIS later merged with Business Records Corporation(BRC) and became Election Systems & Solutions (ES&S). ES&S us the number one provider if touchscreen voting machines. Their website claims that their products were used in collecting 56% of the national vote in the last presidential elections.

Todd Urosevich is now Vice President of ES&S. Strangely enough, brother Bob moved on to head the second largest computerized vote-counting business, Global Election Systems, recently purchased by ATM and security giant Diebold, (They now have both the Ohio and Georgia contracts.) in a round table swap of incestuous patronage the previous executives of Global moved on to head the third largest vote-counting company in the nation, Advanced Voting Systems. Combined, these three corporations will process nearly 80% of the nest nationwide elections.

They are so close to getting away with it. They own the machines, they count the votes. No paper trail, no recount.

[Octafish]

39. BBV Alert on these Turds ASAFP.

Satan's trousers are joined at the lips to Ralph Reed, Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. I'd forgotten this connection on the touch-screen voting scam. Move over Ralphie, make room for the Uroseviches. Actually, it seems even Ralph is scared of them!

From AmericanPoliticsJournal.com:

... Turns out that Diebold and ES&S -- presumptive competitors in this market actually were managed in part by the two brothers (Robert and Todd Urosevich).

But wait -- there is more....

Seems that brothers were backed by Howard Ahmanson. He is the heir to the Home Savings Bank, FSB fortune. But he isn't just your ordinary wealthy Orange County Republican. Ahmanson helped found and direct the Chalcedon Institute for twenty years. They are the intellectual fountainhead for Christian Reconstructionists.

If you are not familiar with Christian Reconstructionists, here is what Ralph Reed, the head of the Christian Coalition, had to say about them:

"Reconstructionism is an authoritarian ideology that threatens the most basic civil liberties of a free and democratic society. The pro-family movement... must unequivocally dissociate itself from Reconstructionism and other efforts to use the government to impose biblical law through direct political action. It must firmly and openly exclude the triumphalist and authoritarian elements from the new theology of Christian political
involvement."

http://www.americanpolitics.com/20030923Letters.html

Interesting links from there, as well.

Thanks for the headley lamarr's up, seemslikeadream!

[bobthedrummer]

42. Great work, seemslikeadream and Octafish!

:hi:
n/t

[Octafish]

44. Keep givin' the Bush Organized Crime Family the what's for!

The BFEE may have the guns, power and money, but we have something on our side that is more powerful — The TRUTH!

Think I'm lying, DU? Why else would they be so AFRAID of it?

Thanks, Bob! Same goes! Keep givin' it to 'em!

[seemslikeadream]

53. Great work indeed bobthedrummer and Octafish!

You guys are phenomenal, please never stop playing that record, Octafish and never stop beatin'that drum, bob. I would miss you. All that I can add this morning is a song written by Peggy Seeger, sung to you for taking the lead and recognizing the warning. It's hard to compete with those great pictures Oct!

Early every year the seeds are growing
Unseeen unheard the lie beneath the ground
Would you know before the leaves are showing
That with weeds all your garden will abound

If you close your eyes stop your ears
Hold your tongue, how can you know?
The seeds you cannot see may not be there
The seeds you cannot hear may never grow

In January you've still got the choice
You can cut the weeds before they start to bud
If you leave them to grow higher
They'll silence your voice
And in December you may pay with your blood

So close your eyes stop your ears
Close your mouth and take it slow
Let others take the lead and you bring up the rear
And later you can say you didn't know

Every day another vulture takes flight
There's another danger born every morning
In the darkness of your blinness
The beast will learn to bite
How can you fight if you cannot recognize the warning

So close your eyes, stop your ears
Close your mouth and take it slow
Let others take the lead and you bring up the rear
And later you can say you didn't know

Today you may earn a living wage
Tomorrow you may be on the dole
Though there's millions going hungry
you needn't disengage
For it's them not you that's fallen in the hole

It's alright for you if you run with the pack
Its alright if you agree with all they do
IF THE FASCIST'S PARTY SLOWLY CLIMBING BACK
It's not here yet so what's it got to do with you

The weeds are all around us and they're growing
It will soon be too late for the knife
If you leave them on the wind that
around the world is blowing
You may pay for your silence with your life

So close your eyes, stop your ears
Close your mouth, they're never there
And if it happens here they'll never come for you
Because they'll you really didn't care

[bobthedrummer]

46. The ghost of Hitler at NASA

NASA hailed Hubertus Strughold as the "father of space medicine".

In the Third Reich Hubertus was head of the Luftwaffe Institute for Aviation Medicine and in charge of human "experimentation" terminal experiments for the slaves drafted into the experimental groups. These were crimes against humanity IMO.

Hubertus Strughold was a recruited PAPERCLIP nazi and sent to Brooks AFB, Texas School of Aviation Medicine.

The nazi influence at NASA.

[Octafish]

51. Torbitt Document

Having closely followed our nation's history for 35 years, I can see conspiracies exist. One of the most insidious is the axis of the NAZIs, the CIA, the Mafia, and the GOP. When I heard that von Braun and some of the Paperclip brains may have had a hand in things, I really became disillusioned for a while.

Ratical.org presents a must-read overview:

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/OurNaziAllies.html

Kenn Thomas, founder of Steamshovel Press, wrote on the subject. He also is co-author of a work that picked-up on the Octopus trail that the late Danny Casolaro was following when he was murdered.

http://radio.atlantisrising.com/HillyRose/165_Kenn_Thomas/165_Kenn_Thomas.shtml

The Torbitt Document (an analysis of the NASA-NAZI-Dallas link) can be found online at:

http://www.newsmakingnews.com/torbitt.htm

[MrPrax]

49. Suspect link...

'Hitler’s ghost is present in the assembly lines of America’s automotive manufacturers. It’s amusing listening to the Ford advertising campaign that features the Rolling Stones song, Start Me Up. More appropriate, it seems, would be the Stone’s classic recording of Sympathy for the Devil.'

Surprised they didn't point out Sweet Black Angel!!! another great Rolling Bones song that Henry Ford never listened to...

.... Too many others would rather try to TALK the problem away, while we realize that the time has come to FIGHT!” That from http://www.library.wwu.edu/cbl/piper/Internet/Nazi.htm , a web site of the American Nazi Party. With the election of Arnold Schwarzenegger in California (his father was a member of the Nazi Party opting to be a member of the storm-trooping “Brown Shirts” who eagerly pursued and persecuted Jews, Christians and Gypsies) and Nazi-tainted George Bush II in the White House, the American Nazi Party, the Aryan Nations and other despicable hate groups have received an unintended acknowledgement that their hateful struggle on behalf of the “white race” has merit."

Yeah Arny's an asshole...but this is a stretch...but the post get across the American Nazi Party theme....funny the article doesn't do anything else other than another boring Zionist scaremonger plant...

A classic...but hey a el al flight to TO was threaten by a shoulder launched missile according to a phone call...maybe Canada should buy more expensive hardware...

Just a thought

[Dogmudgeon]

50. Don't forget the "Protocols"

Usually called "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", or sometimes "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion"

This document has influenced the American Right, lock, stock, rhetoric and agenda. It has everything -- the plotters of the One World Government planning a pogrom including Gun Grabbing, Raw Sex, Womens' Rights, you name it, if the Right hates it, it was "proposed" by the evil Rabbis who control the world.

And there is no way that Jewish right-wingers like David Horowitz and Irving Kristol can not be aware of it.

Oy vey ist mir!

The problem is that the Protocols started life as a satire mocking 19th centurty French anti-Semitism that Voltaire wrote, and then was plagiarized and expanded by the Czarist secret police around 1905. It was used to justify a massive progrom against the Russian Jews, and was instrumental in sparking the revolutions that overthrew the much-lauded Czar Nicholas, and then the democratic government of Kerensky by the Bolsheviks.

Worth the download and reading time. It's truly frightening how close the rheroric matches that of the modern right wingers.

--bkl

[bobthedrummer]

54. The neo-consrvative traitors are the worst of the lot today.

With the worst pResident ever.:puke:

[bobthedrummer]

55. Nazi skinhead punks and Holocaust denial revisionism where did they

come from? The suburbs of middle-class America IMO. The ghost of Hitler in the schools.

[bobthedrummer]

56. Kick

:dem:

[bobthedrummer]

57. The ghost of Hitler in the Pentagon.

DARPA, SAIC and other think-tanks are influencing programs that started as PAPERCLIP projects.

The military is highly politicized and neo-cons are everywhere. Even in the ideology of the military elite. Fascist militarist perspective.
Revolution in Political and Military Affairs/RPMA
http://www.guerrillacampaign.com/coup.htm

[TruthIsAll]

58. kick

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[bobthedrummer]

59. The ghost of Hitler is around FBI offices

and Hoover too.
But the cabal rules all in the intelligence field. Militarists.
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030512fa_fact

http://prospect.org/print/V13/22/dreyfuss-r.html

[bobthedrummer]

60. I hate fascists. I'll never forget The Holocaust.

We're heading that way-we need a regime change next year.

[seemslikeadream]

61. The Lost War

The war on Iraq is not the only war in the world and it is not the only war being fought for our material benefit. Western consumers' seemingly insatiable demand for mobile phones, laptops, games consoles and other luxury electronic goods has been fuelling violent conflict and killing millions in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

The Democratic Republic of Congo is possibly the most mineral rich place on earth - though this has proved a curse to the people of the Congo. The Congo holds millions of tons of diamonds, copper, cobalt, zinc, manganasa, uranium (the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were built using Congolese uranium), and coltan. Coltan, a substance made up of columbium and tantalum, is a particularly valuable resource - used to make moble phones, night vision goggles, fiber optics, and micro-capacitors.

The human costs of this conflict have been horrific. According to the UN, up until last September, in the five Eastern provinces of DRC alone, between 3 and 3.5 million people had died directly because of the war. Many were killed and tortured but most died of starvation and disease. The destruction of farms has resulted in malnutrition and starvation. Millions of people have been forced from their homes. Years of war have led to a social enviroment in which men abose women on a staggering scale and children become instruments of war, forced to work in mines and conscripted into armed forces. Surveys in Butembo found that 90% of people were living on less than 20 cents a day and only one meal.

Last October, an independent panel of experts reported to the UN Security Council that 85 multinational companies based in Europe the US and South Africa had facilitated the plunder of the Congo and illegally profited from the war.

John Bredenkamp is 33rd on Britain's rich list. Last October's UN report on the DRC names Bredenkamp as a key arms trader and a man who made millions from the illegal exploitation of natural resources in the Congo. He is an investor in Aviation Consulting Services, one of the most important arms trading groups in Africa.
http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/newsletter/issue13/issue13_part3.htm

Former U.S. President and CIA director George Bush is an advisory board member for Barrick Gold Corporation, which is raping the U.S., Tanzania, Mali, Niger, Canada, Peru and no surprise the Congo.

Counted among Barrick directors is Brain Mulroney, former Prime Minister of Canada. Another is Edward Neys, former U.S. Ambassador to Canada and chairman of Burson-Marsteller, one of the world's largest and most secretive public relations firms.

Burson-Marsteller is a billion-dollar company that covers for organized crime. They are in the business of "perception management".
They covered for the Nigerian oil barons and Shell Oil during the Biafran War. They covered for Babcock & Wilcox and the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission as the Three Mile Island nuclear reactor melted down and irradiated the American landscape. They massaged the public and managed their perceptions as the Exxon Valdez supertanker greased the Alaskan wilderness with black crude. Burson-Marsteller covered for Union Carbide after the gas massacre in Bhopal in 1984. Burson-Marsteller has run public relations campaigns to shield extensive, state-orchestrated terror by the "governments" of Argentina, Indonesia, South Korea, Sri Lanka, and Singapore.

The holocaust continues....

[seemslikeadream]

71. War is Golden for the Bush Administration

The opening of a long-delayed civil suit in a London courtroom; a brief, buried article on a judical nominaton; a fluctuation in the commodities market; three mundane, seemingly-unrelated items in the news last week that combined to give a fleeting glimpse of the ugly reality behind the frantic, diversionary facade of the "civilized world."

The Italian bank BNL was one of BCCI's main tentacles. BNL's Atlanta branch was the primary funnel used by the first Bush Administration to send millions of secret dollars to Saddam for arms purchases, including deadly chemicals and other WMD material supplied by the Chilean arms dealer Cardoen and various politically-connected operators in the U.S. like, weapons merchant Matrix Churchill.

As soon as the BNL case broke, President Bush 1 moved to throttle the investagation. He appointed lawyers from both Cardoen and Matrix to top Justice Department posts--where they supervised the officals investigating their old companies.

Which brings us to the judical appointment. One of the White House aids who unlawfully intervened in the BNL prosecution was a certain factotum named Jay S. ByBee. Last week, said factotum was nominated by the current warmer of the Oval Office seat, George W. Bush, to a place on the federal appeals court--a lifetime sinecure of perks and power. ByBee was confirmed on March 13,2003

And the commodities connection? President Pretzel's relentless hissy-fit for war on Iraq has of course goosed the price of gold enormously-- and that's set Bush Family coffers a clinking. How so? In the waning days of his failed presidency, Bush 1 invoked an obscure 1872 statue to give a Canadian firm, Barrick Corporation, the right to mine $10 billion in gold from U.S. public lands. (U.S. taxpayers got a whopping $10,000 fee in return. Bush then joined Barrick as a highly-paid "international consultant," brokering deals with various dictators of his close acquaintance. Barrick reciprocated with big bucks for Junior's presidential run. And in another quid for the pro quo, last year Junior dutifully approved Barrick's controversial acquisition of a major rival.

http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd02152003.html

[bobthedrummer]

62. This thread is important-this needs to be reflected upon daily

as * retains office. It shouldn't be on page 4.
Kick.
:dem:

[bobthedrummer]

63. The Clinton DoJ pursued Nazis

http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/hr071498/maloney.html

http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/hr071498/holtzman.html

The BFEE is full of fascists.

The ghost of Hitler in the White House.

[bobthedrummer]

64. Again, "Gold fillings, Auschwitz and George Bush"

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/bushies.htm

[UTUSN]

65. Link from "Peekaloo" with Great Reading List

Thanks to Peekaloo for this link:

http://www.aristotle.net/~mstandridge/index.html#h2

from this thread:
******QUOTE*****

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=591981

According to official military records, on September 2, 1944, George Bush bailed out of his airplane over Chi Chi Jima . But also, according to those same records, no U.S. raids were carried out on Chi Chi Jima between July 4, 1944 and February 1945. George Bush maintains that his plane was on fire when he bailed out of it, and that this is why he didn't attempt to water land his plane, as he allegedly had off Guam two months before. But the man who flew closest to Bush during the Chi Chi Jima raid insists George Bush's plane was not on fire at the time Bush bailed out of it. If Bush's plane wasn't on fire, according to the people involved, he should have water landed--again, as he had allegedly done off Guam. But the question that is really raised here is, did George Bush really land his plane in the water off Guam--or did he land it on Guam itself? The reason why this is an interesting question is that, at the time, Guam was held by the Japanese. ....

It wasn't until 1989 that I learned that Standard Oil, George Bush's father's company, had committed treason during the Second World War. That truth was revealed increasingly after 1983, when English writer Charles Higham released Trading With The Enemy in New York via Delacorte Press. He followed that in 1985 with American Swastika.

Shortly afterward, Webster G. Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin produced a soon-to-be-infamous negative biography of George Bush entitled The Unauthorized Biography of George Bush. During that same time period, Christopher Simpson came out with Blowback and Russ Bellant released another edition of his chronicle of the shocking Nazi connections of the Reagan and Bush Administrations, Old Nazis, The New Right and the Republican Party. Over the next decade those books gradually revealed the true picture of high-level World War II treason by some of America's wealthy families, big petrochemical conglomerates and major multi-national manufacturing corporations.

.... Topping all of this off was the release in 1994 by St. Martin's Press of the John Loftus and Mark Aarons blockbuster The Secret War Against the Jews, was the final key to my understanding the plausibility of the ad's charge.

I then read Silent Coup by Colodny and Gettlin and other books which gave the "inside skinny" on a number of recent events. That helped me realize more than ever that there were, indeed, undercurrents in all our lives. And it helped me to become more aware that Prescott Bush, George Bush's father, was indeed a pro-Nazi figure in American history. As a result of my searching and reading, I found a good bit of data, shocking in its details, which deserves, at least in part, to be presented in the bold-faced, capital letters that it has deserved and never gotten over all these years:

"ON OCTOBER 20, 1942, THE U.S. GOVERNMENT ORDERED THE SEIZURE OF NAZI GERMAN BANKING OPERATIONS IN NEW YORK CITY WHICH WERE BEING CONDUCTED BY PRESCOTT BUSH. ....

*****UNQUOTE****

[seemslikeadream]

66. Rep. Cynthia Mcinney

in 2001 convened a special congressional panel to explore the role of U.S. covert forces and private interests in Central Africa.

Keith Harmon Snow is an international journalist and photographer. He presented expeert testimony before that panel. In 2000 he spent seven months investigating the conflicts in Angola, Congo, Rwanda and Sudan.

War in Congo has claimed over three million lives since 1998 alone.
Innocent civilians have been brutalized, massacred, raped and tortured by all parties to the conflict. It began with the U.S. sponsored invasion of Rwanda 1994, and followed with two subsequent U.S. sponsored invasions of Congo (in 1996 and 1998). These are not the simple "civil wars" declared by the western press. Even the Rwanda "genocide" (in 1994) has to some extent been manufactured in the American mind to serve the mythology of tribalism. Meanwhile, American green berets and military advisors and Pentagon officals have paticipated from blackboard to battlefield.

Sierra Leone, Angola, Sudan, Rwanda and Congo/Zaire are wars where fractions are armed with U.S. made weapons (M16s,SAMs,tanks); where U.S. covert forces undertake brutal secret missions and psychological operations; accountable to no one; behind the headlines. They are wars where the CIA is deeply and maliciously entrenched in subverting democracy and orchestrating chaos that is expediently advertised; as such; by our dubious media. At the roots, however, these are wars like any other war.

George Bush Sr. right before he left office gave Barrick Gold Mining billions and they gave him a seat on the board. Barrick is raping Congo.

THREE MILLION LIVES THREE MILLION LIVES

Do you smell the stench of burning flesh yet?

[bobthedrummer]

68. In Columbia being for organized labor is "terrorist" activity

subject to crimes against humanity paid for, in part, by US taxpayers.
http://www.populist.com/02.7.Hirsch.html

[bobthedrummer]

69. RW fascists sent anthrax? A family violence story.

Members of the 107th Congress were attacked along with media unpopular to BFEE. This was all domestic-Ames strain spores, US Army manufactured for end user CIA anthrax.

Hatfill has a lot of questionable RW ties, is he out or in as a suspect? What about the anthrax investigation???
http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2001/printer_1062.shtml

[seemslikeadream]

70. The German people seem to know how to deal with Nazi money

Thanks to emad aisat sana in LBN

A Holocaust memorial in Berlin to Europe's 6 million murdered Jews was at the center of huge embarrassment last night after it emerged that one of its German construction firms had supplied Zyklon B used in Nazi gas chambers.

The memorial's board of trustees ordered an abrupt halt to the project following revelations that the German company Degussa was connected with the supply of gas used in Nazi concentration camps. The firm had been awaded a contract to cover the memorial's 2,700 concrete pillars in a graffiti-proof coating.

Late last week, however the memorial's trustees discovered that Degussa was once a part of Degesch, the company which delievered Zyklon B used in concentration camps to gas millions of Jews.

A spokesman for Degussa was unavailable for comment last night. The firm has previously expressed its remorse for its role during the Third Reich and has also made compensation payments to forced labourers who worked in Nazi factories.

Earlier this year the president of Germany's parliament, Wolfgang Thierse, said the memorial would express an "acceptance of responsibility for our history".

When will you George Bush accept responsibily for your family's history?

[UTUSN]

72. Kick for Kick's Sake n/t