I Don't Get NY

[mkregel]

...or NYC...the city is actually way more conservative than a lot of south of the Mason-Dixon line cities I know. Their Democrats fit right into a Republican dream (Ed Koch, Cuomo...) and they have never put forth any leaders in the way of Progressive values.

Think about NYC...have you ever known a more racist, xenophobic area than Queens? Long Island? Damn, even Manhattan is full of Republican Yuppie Scum.

Whoever thinks NYC is any kind of liberal haven doesn't know the place very well. Most NY Dem's I know are indistinguishable from the Republicans.

I'm of the opinion we progressives should write off NYC, and stick to where we can suceed. Personally, I think the Midwest and a lot of the South is more up-for-grabs than New York is. The Midwest is reeling from the assault on them by big business, and the South's only alignment with the Repubs is on Religion. Give them a local candidate like the Kucinich of old, and you've got the South in your hands.

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[donotpassgo]

3. you tell em...

obviously they've never been to the Bronx

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[mkregel]

4. Putting on my asbestos suit

I live in California (california...ahhhh...those dipsh*ts who just elected a groping nazi gorilla as their Governor.)

But I have relatives in Long Island (Massapequa, if you're familiar) and never have I known such a group of Likud-worshipping Freepers in my life. I spent many summers on the Island, as well as in NYC.

I also spent summers in Iowa, from my dads side of the family. People I knew there were Old Fashioned Democrats. They didn't like large scale changes, whether they were big government programs, or big government wars against other countries. They're still that way to much of an extent.

The Democratic Party has abandoned the Midwest and the South, concentrating on the big cities. Sure there are a lot of progressives, but there are a lot of Freepers with Democratic party membership.

I have a cousin in law who is a registered Democrat, but listens with glee every time a homeless person freezes to death in Central Park, or gets beaten by local kids. "They deserve it," he says, "You have no idea how confrontational these people are." Confrontation or no confrontation, no one deserves to freeze to death.

I know California is no paradise....and we have a group of monkeys in muscle cars who just elected a muscle head as governor. But most people out here are at least marginally progressive, which is more than I can say for the Freepers I came to know in the Big Apple.

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[mkregel]

15. Oh really?

And your boy Ed Koch's masturbation over Dubya...and most recently 'favorite boy' Cuomo's licking the Dim Son's bootheel is a reason to be proud of the Big Apple?

[sangh0]

18. Very poor

Argument by anecdote is pitiful. I guess we won't be hearing about NYer's like Spitzer, Clinton, Schumer, Rangel, Nadler, etc from you.

[Stephanie]

11. What a gross and ill-informed generalisation based on a few examples

from your own family!

Why put your ignorance on display this way? And why insult millions of people at once? You are making these ridiculous claims from CALIFORNIA?

I'm reporting you to Chuck and Hillary.

[elperromagico]

2. Yes, but

NYC doesn't vote exclusively for the President.

I don't think it's wise to write off 31 electoral votes, especially now that California is in (some) danger of going Republican.

[nostamj]

5. I LOVE NYC

there are idiots, bigots, racists, etc. in every city

but this statement:

Most NY Dem's I know are indistinguishable from the Republicans.

is utterly ridiculous. too bad you didn't catch any of the MASSIVE anti-bush/iraq war rallies...

feh.

[mkregel]

7. I watched them

but polls showed NYC pretty much in favor of the war for oil.

[maha]

13. What polls?

Cards on the table, buddy. I say there's less support for the war in NYC than in the nation as a whole.

[foo_bar]

19. the million demonstrators were from Scarsdale

Mossad sent them an email.

[nostamj]

17. which city....

outside of the nationally organized DC events

produced CROWDS on the level of NYC???

feh. couldn't think of a dem candidate to bash today ??? decided to start on cities ???

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[foo_bar]

6. a leader in the way of Progressive values

"To judge from the conduct of the opposite parties, we shall be led to conclude that they will mutually hope to evince the justness of their opinions, and to increase the number of their converts by the loudness of their declamations and the bitterness of their invectives."

- Alexander Hamilton, NYC
http://memory.loc.gov/const/fed/fed_01.html

[Kathy in Cambridge]

8. NYC is very liberal

maybe you're hanging out in the wrong neighborhoods. I have been going there for business since the early nineties (on a weekly basis), lived there for a year, and have tons of friends from NY Metro. So I know NY very well, and you are absolutely wrong.

Look at the number of Dems they elect to Congress. And there is a lot of radical thought floating around the East Village, Lower East Side and Brooklyn.

[mkregel]

10. A Dem does not a Liberal Make

Look at Cuomo...look at Koch...would you call them Liberal?

Is Hillary Clinton the paragon of liberalism? Sure, she's a great Centrist like her husband, but she is no liberal.

[maha]

12. You Know Not Whereof You Speak.

New York City may have more out-and-out Marxists per square inch than anywhere else in the U.S. Is that liberal for you?

[Kathy in Cambridge]

16. Ok then MARXISTS

Look at Lower Manhattan's boho neighborhoods (if you've ever set foot there) and parts of Brooklyn. Look at the protest marches and radical events that happen in NYC.

And the Dems-with the exception of the two idiots you name-are by and large the liberal variety. As in New England, even a lot of Republicans are RINOs, unlike the rest of the country.

You may find that New Yorkers-most Northeasterners for that matter-are pretty gruff and express themselves in a politically incorrect manner. It doesn't mean they vote that way.

[Stephanie]

23. Certainly Hillary is a liberal, and certainly Mario Cuomo is too

Koch, no.

What are you talking about???

[mkregel]

25. That shows how conservative this country has become

Hillary Clinton, like her husband in 92, ran as a Centrist. She opposed tax hikes and gave out and out support for Israel. While senator she voted for the Patriot Act, for the war in Iraq and for one of Bush's tax cuts.

Don't get me wrong, I would vote for her myself. But she is a Centrist Democrat. I'm a centrist, with Liberal tendencies.

[Stephanie]

32. Well then your argument is with the Democratic Party, not with NYC

Hillary's not liberal enough for you, fine. As you know, hate radio considers her the equivalent of Che Guevara.

But you have not proved your point that NYC is some hotbed of wingnut freepers. Please, get some perspective.

[mkregel]

34. I'm not saying she's not liberal enough for me

Like I said, I'd vote for her.

But she's not a liberal. Please, define Liberal then? Is Alan Colmes a Liberal? Is Chris Matthews a Liberal? Is Tom Daschle a Liberal?

[mlawson]

14. It sounds like a lot of NYers vote for the 'person', just like

people do everywhere. The apolitical voters in the middle apparently helped Bloomberg and Pataki out, and they also must have voted for Schumer and Hillary, because they LIKE those candidates. Also, apparently, the same voters voted for Hillary, AND Pataki, and Bloomberg, and Schumer. They do this, because they are not ideological; they vote for the candidates they LIKE best!

Just like everywhere else.

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[WilliamPitt]

21. "they have never put forth any leaders in the way of Progressive values"

Bobby Kennedy
Franklin Roosevelt

[mkregel]

22. Rebuttal

Roosevelt yes - I'll give you that one
Kennedy was from MA

Sad that you had to go back over 70 years to find one

[sangh0]

24. Al Sharpton

Rangel, Nadler, Gloria Steinem, Bella Abzug, Ron Kuby,

[mkregel]

28. Funny two of those names are plants

Sharpton was a plant for the FBI, Steinem a plant for the CIA.

Tinfoil hat? Look it up....its all documented.

http://www.cia-on-campus.org/surveil/steinem.html

http://www.prisonactivist.org/pipermail/prisonact-list/2000-March/002720.html

[WilliamPitt]

30. Bwah hah ha hahahahahahahahahahahaha

If it's on the internet, it *has* to be true!

Credibility go poof.

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[sangh0]

36. Hahahahaha!

Prove Sharpton isn't working for the FBI? How about you prove that he is?

Could be the documents were fabricated by the CIA and FBI, but there is no benefit to them.

Hahahaha!! Of course they have no interest in discrediting a conservative like Sharpton! :-)

And "bastion of liberalism" is your words, not ours.

[mkregel]

38. <Sigh> As off topic as this is

The FBI wants Sharpton in the spotlight (after all he's an un-electable money chasing back stabbing informant), they wanted Jesse Jackson (an amazing orator who can unite people from all over, and actually shed blood in the Civil Rights Struggle) out.

Sharpton pretty much brought all of the allegations against Jackson to light so he could take over.

But this is off topic - if you want to discuss this please IM me.

[sangh0]

41. I know about the Sharpton/Jackson hostilities

and they are just meant to distract us from the fact that you made an accusation you can't back up. And even if Sharpton did help the FBI, that doesn't make him any less a liberal or a progressive.

[mkregel]

46. Jeez did you even read what I wrote???

OK....in bullet points:

- Jackson is a major political player.
- Sharpton is a publicity hungry Reverent in NYC.
- FBI works with Sharpton to elminate certain elements within Black Leadership in America. Like COINTELPRO, they want it under their control.
- Sharpton is used by the FBI to discredit Jackson, and becomes the most prominent Black in American Politics.

Sharpton isn't a Liberal, he's a tool. Big difference.

I do agree tho that weve gone way off topic.

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[Stephanie]

39. What is your POINT?

And why are you talking about DENIAL?

Why do you, apropos of nothing, make such absurd pronouncements about NYC from a distance of 3000 miles?

http://www.opensecrets.org/states/delegatn.asp?State=NY

[mkregel]

40. And you guys love to bash us for electing the gropinator

even tho he did not win by majority.

We never elected Guiliani. We never elected Pataki. We never elected Ed Koch. We never had riots protesting the bussing in the 1970's.

All I am saying is that NYC is not as liberal than it gets credit for.

[sangh0]

43. With opinions like that

All I am saying is that NYC is not as liberal than it gets credit for

and the arguments you've made, I could say the same for DU

[WilliamPitt]

47. No, you elected Ronald Reagan and Pete Wilson

*clap clap clap clap clap clap*

Bobby Kennedy also died there.

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[WilliamPitt]

45. Prove a negative?

Can't. Gotta go beat my wife. C'mere bitch...

[JackRiddler]

95. You're married?

Can I have a piece? I'm so tired of beating my own wife.

[WilliamPitt]

26. Spitzer, Schumer, Rangel, Nadler

I didn't want to embarrass you.

Roosevelt is timeless.

Kennedy was a New York Senator.

So I guess Clinton counts, too.

Come to think of it, you've already embarrassed yourself.

[foo_bar]

27. the real question is:

which progressive American leaders don't come from New York?

I can only name MLK Jr., Molly Ivins, there's a couple others.

[nostamj]

29. you should add Kucinich and Wellstone

at the very least...

[Kathy in Cambridge]

31. Ted Kennedy-as liberal as they come

but from my state.

There are progressives everywhere-but it's oviously easier to be one in NY or Boston than in Boise or Birmingham.

[SahaleArm]

66. The Bay State.

Mass is a cauldron of liberalism.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

35. no, you don't get NY

that's true

[pstokely]

37. NYC is home to the largest hate radio station

WABC AM

[Stephanie]

42. It's also home to NBC, ABC, and CBS

Also Bill Moyers, HBO, Showtime, MTV, etc., etc.

You're right about WABC, but it's not really produced as a local station. It is where many syndicated shows are produced, including OxyRush Limbaugh, along with some local programming.

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[mkregel]

49. So did you and Bernie Getz vote for Gore together?

he was from queens as well....

[WilliamPitt]

51. Thanks for Reagan and Pete Wilson

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[HootieMcBoob]

54. for your info.

I live in Brooklyn but here's some info on queens for ya

http://www.queenstribune.com/anniversary2002/theyallcome.htm

[Kathy in Cambridge]

56. And thanks for Darryl Issa, Bob Dornan, and Richard Nixon

you use incidents from thirty years ago that support your warped premise. It's ludicrous.

[WilliamPitt]

58. *cough* Reagan *cough*

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[Renew Deal]

61. Answered like a New Yorker

:7

[dreissig]

48. Thinly Disguised Yankee Bashing

It happens every October. One of these days it may happen to some other city, but they have to win a lot of ballgames between now and then.

For the record, I have no idea about Mariano Rivera's politics. All I know is, he's the guy you want on the mound in the 9th inning.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

53. It's thinly disguised regional bashing

from 3,000 miles away. He brings up crap from the 1970s-bussing protests. The reason California never had protests is because it was mostly white at the time. Integration was an issue everywhere thirty years ago, but the we have progressed since then. And how about the Rodney King incident? As I recall, that was in LA...

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[WilliamPitt]

59. Quit while you were behind, eh?

:eyes:

[mkregel]

63. No I just thought it's pointless

You all obviously LOOOOOVE NYC...and who am I to take that away from you? So much that anyone who insults your BELOVED city gets called cretin, imbecile, nutbag, nincompoop....so it can be said that New Yorkers resort to namecalling whenever theyre attacked.

Oh well, I'd be pissed too if I had to live in a city with a bunch of monkey freepers who can't count to twenty without taking off their shoes too.

Oh I guess I can play that fucking game too.

[Stephanie]

64. Are you INSANE?

Why are you posting this trash? There are hundreds of New Yorkers at DU, and everyone of us is ready to wring your neck. If you're lucky. Knock it off.

[WilliamPitt]

65. Most people, when attacked, will attack in return

Clue: Don't attack first.

"New Yorkers resort to namecalling whenever theyre attacked."

Proof you've never been there.

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[leftofthedial]

60. no, the midwest is crawling with bible thumping repukes

and the south is full of repukes who married their cousins.

and california obviously has their retard heads up their asses.

So, we should write off New York, California, the South, Texas, the Midwest and just focus on Eugene Oregon.

[Uzybone]

62. Among the most

stupid and pointlessly inaccurate posts Ive ever read on DU.

[newyawker99]

68. I have never seen so much garbage in one post.

If you don't live here, then you really don't know what it is like to live here. NYC is a great place to live and in case you didn't know, we are not all raving racists running amok.

NYC is a diverse place with many different races and ethnic groups. It has always been this way and this is what makes this city great. Please stop insulting people because of whatever prejudice you seem to have.

So the NY Democrats are just like Republicans? Thanks a lot for your insight. I never knew. I guess all of us Republicans just love to vote for Democrats. :eyes:


Sheeeeeeeesh!! Learn about NY before you post about it!

[ShaneGR]

69. Are you from the country?

Maybe you just don't like city-folk or somethun.

[incapsulated]

70. Although Long Island *is* conservative...

Just about everything else you have said is bullshit, and based on nothing other than your obvious irrational hostility toward my city.

Or maybe you have a *problem* with your family in NY?

:eyes:

[mkregel]

72. Let's just fucking drop it, OK?

If you want to settle this with a fistfight, I will do so reluctantly.

But otherwise this is frickin pointless...I apologize for insulting your city. Chances are, my experiences in NYC are radically different than yours. Some of you come out to my side of the Earth and see Roseville, Modesto, Contra Costa County and Gilroy and think you've landed in Freeperville.

So let's bury the fricken hatchet, aight?

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[mkregel]

74. I hope they do lock it

I'm sick of it, and I would think you would be too...

BTW...If I had started a thread bashing the south, or the midwest...I would have nothing but cheers and amens.

SIGH...I kinda wonder how we ever plan to take back the red states....

[Stephanie]

75. Wrong again.

If you want to irrationally bash entire regions of the U.S., I suggest you take it somewhere else. DU isn't the place for this kind of BS.

[mkregel]

78. So you are saying you have no intention

of burying the hatchet?

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[WilliamPitt]

79. I'd be right in your face if you bashed the South, pally

You're like 0 for 2,000 tonight.

[mkregel]

84. I said I wanted to drop it

If you want to continue, come out here to California, my names in the book, and I'll even let you get the first punch in.

Sounds reasonable?

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[WilliamPitt]

93. Challenge me to another fistfight, assclown

Insult an entire region in an ignorant fashion.

Defend your ignorance for 70 posts.

Cut and run like a coward asswipe after the beatings have gotten to you.

That = you.

Be proud. Be very proud.

[mkregel]

97. Nope

I'm willing to admit I was wrong. I'm also willing to admit you're a bit of an asshole.

I never insulted anyone personally until you came along.

[WilliamPitt]

99. You never insulted anyone?

Get back on the depakote, friend.

[mkregel]

100. Never insulted anyone PERSONALLY

What is it with you and adverbs?

What would it take for you to drop it? Public apology? Season tickets to the Red Sox? Life supply of band-aids? WHAT????

[WilliamPitt]

102. Public apology in a whole new thread

sans challenges to fistfights.

"I'm sorry I insulted New York. That was stupid."

There. You can cut and paste.

Since you're about smearing whole regions, you can apologize for Nixon and Reagan while you're at it.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

92. You need help. Seriously.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

83. If you started a South-bashing thread, it would've been locked a long time

ago.

As usual, NY and the whole Northeast is an acceptable punching bag.

[WilliamPitt]

86. Well, the Yankees do suck

or so they say at Fenway. :)

[Kathy in Cambridge]

96. I LOVE NY-Just not the Yankees!

;-)

[incapsulated]

88. Hahahaha!!

"Let's drop it!"

Ahhh, see how well the tactic of "diss wildly and run" works for you here in NYC. But you're so brave on the net!

"So let's bury the fricken hatchet, aight?"

Let's learn some respect, aight?

[WilliamPitt]

90. How long are the blocks in manhattan?

Lotta runnin'. :)

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98. Wouldn't make it...

To the curb.

That goes for anyone dissing any proud city, not just NY, like this.

Especially when it has no basis in fact.

But feel free to hate the Yankees all you want, plenty of us here do, too.



;-)

[mkregel]

91. Like I said

Name's in the book. First punch=yours.

[WilliamPitt]

94. That's three

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

76. You have no idea what you're talking about

Move along...

[GOPBasher]

81. You want to write off NY?

Umm NY is one of the most Dem state in the country. Gore won it by 25%. Off the top of my head, I think the only state where Gore did better were Massachusetts and Rhode Island (and DC). If you want to write off NY, you're working on a 2 19 electoral vote stategy.

[JVS]

87. Detroit is the most Democratic city in the country.

[AnnabelLee]

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