Biden gives low marks to Dem hopefuls – Barbara Bush claims vindication

[pruner]

By KEN GUGGENHEIM
The Associated Press
10/22/2003, 10:18 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) — The top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee said Wednesday that none of the Democratic presidential candidates has expressed a coherent foreign policy although it's early in the campaign.

Sen. Joseph Biden, who once flirted with the idea of seeking the party's nomination, said the candidates have to "demonstrate that they have a foreign policy, a security policy, that is coherent and is grown up, that we can handle the bad things out there in the world."

<snip>

Biden said he wants to help shape Democratic foreign policy, but he said, "what I don't want to do is flyspeck their (the candidates') primary strategy."

He added: "I mean I'm a guy that didn't make it to Iowa, so how the hell do I know."

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[ogminlo]

1. Biden should fess up- he's a Republican.

Gee, Joe, for someone who supported an illegal oil war based on lies you sure are critical of the foriegn policy ideas of the Dems running to oust Bush "although it's early in the campaign"... Who's side are you on anyway?

[dusty64]

3. Not to mention his praise

today of the "patriot act". He is a perfect example of why I'm rapidly questioning most of these "Democrats", are they for real?

[KittyWampus]

12. Biden IS NOT A REPUBLICAN

Jeez, did you read the whole article... NO OF COURSE NOT.

So many DU'ers make me want to scream. Ever ready to bash Democrats. Taking comments out of context.

And GOD FORBID if a Democrat is EVER diplomatic and starts a speech by using "faint praise" before launching into scathing criticism...

Which is what Biden usually does...

But too many DU'ers paste the praise and conveniently snip out the parts where the Democrat's point is being made.

[dusty64]

16. biden ALWAYS uses

praise when describing our regime's foreign policy. How about his comments today re: the "patriot act". Scream if you have to, I just about did when I read this asshole's comments today.

[KittyWampus]

25. I've Seen Huge Threads Attacking Biden

For one or two sentences in the beginning of some speech he made where he "praises" Junior and Co. and meanwhile....

a thread that lists the rest of that same speech where he goes on to dissect them sinks like a stone.

Why is that, I wonder?

Why does this article say Biden Gives Dems Low Marks when that is NOT what he ACTUALLY DID?

[ogminlo]

20. Biden lost me way before this...

I have heard Biden proclaim the war was okay and justified on multiple interviews. That's where I cut him off. He supported that war, no excuse for that. If I am in the Democratic wing of the Democratic party, Biden is in the Republican wing.

[IndianaGreen]

21. Biden is a plagiarizer and an old, spent Cold Warrior

Biden never had the intellect of a Gary Hart, or the liberal credentials of a Teddy Kennedy. Biden is pure puke!

[RummyTheDummy]

29. I saw him up on the stage at Strom's memorial

Slobbering all over the dead bastard's knob with all the other Repukes. That's all I need to see, as if I hadn't seen enough from Joe already. Biden is a jack ass.

[wrkclskid]

42. He was at strom's funeral

Because Strom requested he do the eulogy in his will, sure he may have "made a statement" by refusing, but that statement would largely be criticized as not following the wish's of a dying man, making him an ineffectie lawmaker.

[w13rd0]

44. Strom's dead?

When did that happen? It seems just yesterday that Lott was saying what a fine President he would have made...

Seriously, Strom's dead?

[leesa]

32. Sorry, sounds like a Republican to me. Trashing Dems. Why isn't Kucinich

or Dean's foreign policy recognized?? Because they advocate military action as a last resort ONLY and the warmonger Republicans like Biden want to bomb, rape, murder, pillage, loot, etc, etc...

[KittyWampus]

38. How Was He Trashing Democrats?

Specifically, using the WHOLE article... please indicate how you think he was trashing the candidates....

[Pale Blue Dot]

2. I'm sorry for this, but I can't control myself...

Fuck Biden. If I never hear another stinking word out of his worthless yellow mouth it will be too soon.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

5. No apology necessary.

n/t

[MoonRiver]

18. Exactly. And that's why CNN.CON has him on at every opportunity to

give viewers the DINO point of view. :puke:

[punpirate]

4. Someone needs to tell Joe...

... that we already have enough examples of his inability to keep his mouth shut.

[spooky3]

6. I do agree with the final quote pruner typed above. eom

[pruner]

7. hopefully Biden's one of the first cockroaches that…

Dean will shine his flashlight on when he becomes President.

[DrBB]

8. Biden is a walking billboard that says

"What America needs is a second political party"

[unfrigginreal]

9. The "grown ups" speak again...

It's time for us kids to realize that the ONLY chance we have to win the Presidency is to nominate a Zell Miller/Joe Biden ticket.

Who's with me?!

[Art_from_Ark]

10. Were these Biden's own words?

Or did he plagiarize them from Rush?

[KittyWampus]

13. READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE

For heaven's sake...

You know, when someone posts something on DU, and there's a "snip" that means something has been LEFT OUT.

Maybe it'd be a good idea to see what Biden actually said and the context it was uttered.

[KittyWampus]

11. Nice Hatchet Job, Pruner

Too bad you left out the part where Biden GOES ON TO SAY

Biden:

"If it's only 'I voted to go in (to Iraq)' or 'I thought we should've gone in, but now we shouldn't spend any money there,' that is not a particularly coherent policy. And I think it will maybe work well in the primary, but I don't think it works very well in the general (election)," the Delaware lawmaker told reporters."

Biden said it is early in the campaign and there isn't a forum that would allow the candidates to present a complete foreign policy. He said if he were a candidate, "I would just want to make sure I was being consistent.""

[pruner]

14. how's it a hatchet job?

I can only post 4 paragraphs (per DU rules) and I think the paragraphs I posted capture the essence of the article.

[Rowdyboy]

17. Quoting that much would have destroyed the delightful

opportunity to badmouth a Democrat. I'm sorry, I AM A DEMOCRAT AND I'M TIRED OF YOU GUYS TRASHING EVERYONE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH 100% OF THE TIME. If you're waiting for there to be 51 Wellstones in the senate, you can relax. Not happening in my lifetime.

But its so much more fun to attack...

[unfrigginreal]

19. And what the heck do you think Biden is doing in the article?

Point your venom at Biden for bad-mouthing the candidates unnecessarily if you are "A DEMOCRAT AND I'M TIRED OF YOU GUYS TRASHING EVERYONE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH 100% OF THE TIME."

[pruner]

22. exactly

if Biden doesn't have anything nice to say about the candidates, he oughta keep his fucking mouth shut.

[KittyWampus]

27. I Repeat Myself READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE

Or does every freaking Democrat have to engage in a Smackdown just to make a few freaks on DU happy?

Biden didn't badmouth any Democrats here.... and the irony is some of the people here support Dean who has been disrespecting those very Democrats in Washington who fight to get money to small time Governors like him!

The inability of so many DU'ers to understand even the BASICS of diplomacy and strategy is really sad.

Biden is NOT my favorite but he is NOT A REPUBLICAN and does a pretty decent job!

[pruner]

30. I never said he was a Republican

nor have I referred to him as a DINO.

I just happen to think he's an asshole, and not based solely on his perception of the field of candidates.

[KittyWampus]

34. Pruner, This Isn't Personally Aimed At You

Not even a little bit.

Mind you, I'm not the greatest Biden fan.

BUT, I'm sick of watching as Democrats get into circular firing squads goaded on by the mediawhores.

The PAPER came up with the title "Biden Gives Dems Low Grades"
And it misrepresents what he ACTUALLY said!

And many DU'ers seem totally eager and primed to jump on the bash the Democrat who isn't "Smacking Down Junior 24 Hours A Day".

There's a HUGE difference between the GOAL of smacking down the Neo cons and the Diplomatic Strategy needed to make that a Reality.

[Rowdyboy]

40. And this is exactly what I'm trying to say...

Hell, I don't even like Joe Biden, but this frenzy to castrate any Democrat who isn't 100% perfect scares the shit out of me. If we get rid of Biden, Lieberman, Hollings, Bayh, Feinstein, Nelson (ND), Nelson (FL), Daschle, Baucus and Bingaman (all of who I've heard called DINOS on DU). That puts us down to 38 out of 100. Who else should we cast out in our march towards purity?

[punpirate]

23. Keep in mind...

... that Biden himself gave the press the soundbite they'd use.

Alternatively, Biden could have said, "I'm looking forward to the ways in which all the candidates develop their foreign policy plans."

And, then, shut his mouth. However, he did not do that.

Cheers.

[stickdog]

15. Biden is now a bi-dem.

He swings both ways.

[John_H]

24. Joe Biden has lost his mind.

This guy actually thinks he's Daniel Webster.

Joe, knock off the Senator shit and get your head in the game.

[Sagan]

26. And yet, they were all apparently better than YOU, Joe...

Or else you would have run.

[leesa]

28. Small minded Americans...only foreign policy is blasting brown people

to bits. This man is a Republican piece of shit. ALL DINOs must be gotten rid of. They will campaign harder and harder for Bush as the election nears. They have to be muzzled because they will be using smears against Dems all the time. This is what they did against both Gore and Clinton. They are part of PNAC.

[KittyWampus]

31. YOU Are The One Smearing A Democrat Here

You didn't read the article.

All you did was read the PAPER'S title "Biden Gives Dems Low Grades"

And the few comments PRuner posted.

You couldn't be BOTHERED to read the whole piece and find out what Biden said and the context.

Thanks for doing the GOP's work for them!

[leesa]

33. I read the entire article...I do not see a Democrat, I see a DINO

[KittyWampus]

37. Please Expound On How What Biden Said

IN TOTAL makes you think he is a DINO?

Please...

[pruner]

36. just curious…

are you in any way related to Biden?

;)

[Deja Q]

35. Oh, it's Bidet spouting off again, eh?

What a freakin' repuke. He, Zell, Fritz (not Mondale, the despicable Hollings one who supports the DMCA and wants little fascist chips to be installed into every electronic device which just happen to be called "Fritz" chips. x( and the other turncoats can all go to hell.

And I sure as hell would never vote for him. If he ran, damn right I'd urge people to vote Green. Heck, I'd even urge people to vote Republican. Comparing Bush* to Biden, both are equal in my book.

[LiviaOlivia]

39. I still remember

back at the Clarence Thomas hearings when Biden shouted
at Orin Hatch to SHUT-UP. It was a thing of beauty.

[fujiyama]

41. I'll admit it, I am annoyed by him

but having just checked his record at vote-smart.org , I wouldn't say he's a DINO, but he's sort of Liebermanish, which means not taking a very confrontational approach, yet voting against much of the domestic Bush agenda (though his vote yesterday was dissapointing), but still giving Bush too much of what he wants in terms of foreign policy.

He seems like such a cocky bastard...To give him some credit though, he did mention how even if Kerry of one of the democratic candidates were to have made a great foreign policy speech, the media wouldn't give enough coverage for it. Still, in this case criticism of democratic candidates is idiotic. He should have kept his mouth shut.

[revcarol]

43. He used to be Enron's bought and paid for whore.

Wonder who's paying him now...