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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:16 AM
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If abortion is such a private issue between a woman and her doctor ??
Why are so many people talking about it publicly here on DU? I simply do not see it as a political issue to be discussed in such a manner. It should be more private and personal. Just my opinion.
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eyesroll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:19 AM
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1. Well, people discuss all sorts of personal things on DU.
I've seen discussions about people's sex lives, surgeries, rape survivors, drug use, etc. I don't see abortion as particularly more private than any of those.

The (relative) anonymity of the Internet is quite the catalyst for spilling one's guts.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:21 AM
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2. I think the vote on the D&X procedure in congress kinda started it
n'est-ce pas?
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Girlfriday Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:26 AM
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3. This is a huge issue
that needs to be thoroughly vetted. We at DU aren't making it a political matter, the RW is - do we just roll over and let it happen?
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sexybomber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:29 AM
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5. Exactly.
You can use another form of kentuck's question here... if abortion is such a private issue between a woman and her doctor, then why are the Republicans in Congress trying to ban it publicly?
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mw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:27 AM
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4. Because its NOT a "private issue" as long as Reps are around
If everyone agreed that abortion was a private issue, then we wouldn't have to talk about it.

But everyone doesn't. So we do.

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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:30 AM
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6. DUers are talking about public policy, not some specific woman and her Dr.
The Republicans have decided to make it a matter of public policy and that is why is is being discussed here. You can't very well fight them without talking about it.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:33 AM
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7. yes
but there are all sorts of cultural implications and festering mysoginism.

On the one hand men don't want women to have independent control but they resent any imposed future responsibility for children.

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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:39 AM
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8. Why is discussing abortion inappropriate?
Look at the Lounge on any given week. I've seen a discussion where men tell us how big their penis is, someone asking if they should have sex after that night's date, women saying if they have been raped. I think it is enlightening to 'know even on a message board' how many women have had an abortion. If folks knew how many women in their personal lives have had abortions then maybe more would be pro-choice. Keeping these decisions secret just re-inforces ignorance of this issue.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:55 AM
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15. why is it mostly men that have problems with this topic..
they seem to loose all sense of rational thought. Must be one of those control things ...
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Misinformed01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 10:11 AM
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17. it's not just men
I think most of the "abortion threads" in GD today, and last night, are about as tasteless as one can get. (and yes, I have seen the trashy threads in the lounge.)

As far as these ridiculous polls are concerned, real data is available through more reliable sources. I started to comment on one, realized how ugly I sounded, and edited it-

Stephanie

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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:45 AM
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9. Do the masturbation threads bother you this much?
Edited on Thu Oct-23-03 09:47 AM by Booberdawg
That is also a private issue. Or threads about what names you guys have for your penis or how big or long it is? Perhaps the one about different ways to say you have the squirts? How about the ones about threesome or group sex or how men like to watch lesbians having sex? I don't really care for the "I just fucked someone ask me anything" threads but I simply chose to ignore them rather than get my panties in a bunch about it.

So what is the big fucking deal about women discussing abortion? It's an important, not to mention very timely political topic. Jesus H. fucking Christ and Holy Nipples of Mary! You do not have to participate in the discussion, nor do you have to look into the threads if the topic so offends your delicate sensibilities.

Sheesh fellas! Get a grip! You really don't need to control what women choose to discuss, now do you?? Seriously now, do a little honest self-examination and decide for yourselves what really bothers you about this. Why the need to voice control over women simply discussing this issue??
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:49 AM
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11. Well, Booberdawg you seemed to get your knickers in a wad about it? LOL's
I don't think Kentucks post was about what you thought it was.
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 10:04 AM
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16. Well, KoKo, I think you are mistaken about that. Because this is about the
100th way I have seen this same complaint posed by one of the men folk in the last day over women discussing abortion. Or even worse, that women have the right to chose to NOT to have abortions over the objections of men. So excuse me all to fucking hell, KoKo, for appearing to you to have my knickers in a wad about it.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:46 AM
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10. Ah...but, Kentuck, nothing is "private and personal" anymore. It's all
out there to be hashed over. Every little corner, every little last speck of what was private, must become a media issue and a legal issue and just an "issue, issue."

The Beast must be fed every day.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:52 AM
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12. ummm....because they are passing bad laws about it right now
Silence is not the answer when the right wingers are chipping away at this important right for women. The act of abortion is private, legislation dealing with it isnt. It doesnt take rocket science to figure that one out. :crazy:
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:54 AM
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13. We are discussing women's right to keep it private and personal...
and that is being taken away, increment by increment. The decision is private and personal; preserving Roe V Wade is an issue that all Democrats have a vested interest in supporting.
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ModerateMiddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:54 AM
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14. because
that "private decision" - or ability to make it - is under threat. So it's time to talk about it.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 10:50 AM
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20. you again
:puke:
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 12:23 PM
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23. LOL!
Tell us how you really feel, Skittles! :hi:
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 03:40 PM
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28. LOL! SKITTLES!! YOUR STOMACH IS GIVING YOU FITS TODAY!!
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 10:23 AM
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19. Why why why
Do we women have to shut up about a POLITICAL issue that profoundly effects us, our sisters, mothers, daughters and friends?

Why should it be private? If I want to talk about my abortion, I will do so, because I refuse to feel the shame that others would like me to feel. If another woman chooses to keep her experience to herself, that is her decision.

Abortion will be a political issue until legislators cease to make my body and all other women's bodies their business.
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veganwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 10:53 AM
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21. exactly!!!!
green dot. i could not say it better.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 12:09 PM
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22. Well, I guess that settles it !
:) So I'll just kick it back to the top....Tora! Tora! Tora!
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 12:24 PM
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24. Because RIGHTS are a public policy issue and those RIGHTS
are being eroded due to a one sided conversation designed to ENABLE men and DISABLE women.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 12:37 PM
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25. I agree, nsma...
:) And I am 100% on your side. I apologize that my "freeper" devil's advocate position created such a stir..:)
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UnapologeticLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 12:50 PM
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26. I agree
But since the Religious Right has made it a political issue, we have to discuss it so that we can stop them from legislating what we believe is a personal and not a political issue.
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jmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 01:17 PM
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27. Abortion will always be a private issue and
women will always find ways to get abortions but the legality of them is a political issue which is currently making headlines.
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Alenne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 03:47 PM
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29. The decision to have an abortion
is between the woman and her doctor.
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