Grover Norquist Linked to Terrorists

[Snellius]

Heard about this on Olberman's show in an interview with radio host John Loftus. He said that Norquist was the one who introduced the spy Alamoudi to his good friend Karl Rove:

There's an incredible story brewing in Washington that is too hot for the networks to touch.

Grover Norquist, whom most conservatives know as Executive Director of the College Republicans, boardmember of the NRA, and head of Americans for Tax Reform, has been exposed as helping Muslim groups and individuals who finance and support Islamic terrorism gain access to the Bush White House.

Norquist has also been exposed as the founder of the Islamic Insitute, a group believed to be funded by foreign governments, Wahhab Islam elements in Saudi Arabia, and U.S. Muslim groups recently raided by a special Treasury Department task force for funding Al Qaeda and Palestinian terrorists.
...
Norquist's relationship with Muslim groups that support terrorism became public after Norquist launched an unexpected and inexplicably vitriolic attack against Frank Gaffney, the President of the Center for Security Policy.
...
According to news reports, while Norquist served as founding Chairman of the Islamic Institute the group received seed money from Abdurahman Alamoudi, then a member of the left-wing American Muslim Council. MSNBC and Fox News have aired videotapes of Alamoudi standing in front of the White House, declaring his support for Hamas and Hezbollah. Hamas is currently one of the leading groups responsible for Palestinian suicide bombers. Hezbollah, sponsored by the Iranian government, was responsible for the death of 240 Marines in Beirut in the 1980s and is believed to be responsible for the attack on Khobar Towers, a barracks in Saudi Arabia.

http://www.citizensoldier.org/norquist.html

[tom_paine]

1. Oh yeah, like a Bushevik Capo will EVER be prosecuted

Such thoughts are for the inhabitants of the Free World, and that no longer technically includes Imperial Amerika

(yes, I know things are still pretty free down here at this level, but the fish rots from the head down, you know)

[Minstrel Boy]

4. I'm thinking you're right.

No matter what horrors we learn, daily, about these bastards, short of a revolution - and a successful one at that - they will not be held to account.

It ain't for nothing they act like they're above the law.

[frank frankly]

2. wow

:kick:

[Postman]

3. Execution is too good for this nazi.

eom

[Capn Sunshine]

5. double wow

see related thread in GD
:kick:

[KoKo]

79. This story didn't get ANY WEEKEND Play........This is very upsetting!

But, then, what did we expect?

[librechik]

6. That's a harsh term to use on Grover's Buddies the GOP

heh

nevertheless, it seems to be true. And an old old story which seems to go nowhere no matter who revives it. Norquist is a terrorist facilitator through his "Islam outreach" sham programs. And he takes LOTS OF money from the RW hegemony. Strangely, despite how much Grover benefits personally from "government" he wants to "shrink it down to where it's small enough to drown in the bathtub" Oh, oh, he only wants to eliminate government assistance for ordinary citizens, not for the elite such as himself. What a snake.

The whole leadership of the party and Al Quaeda seem to be densely and intimately related through their shared family-connected billions. Happily doing each other favors for decades and all becoming richer as a result.

We are nothing but dupes and cannon fodder to them.

The Truth Will Come OUT!

[KoKo]

59. We aren't dupes.....here on the internet.....but it's going to be a long

haul, to get all this info out there. :-(

[never cry wolf]

7. Here's some more info

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=10341

[w13rd0]

9. frontpagemag?

Horowitz's rag? Could we maybe find another publication this topic was in rather than giving hits to right-wing extremist whacko Horowitz?

[Hieronymus]

14. Really...

I clicked onto it having never heard of it before. What a peice of shit.:wtf:

[never cry wolf]

18. I didn't know

just did a google search for news on grover and that came up.

[Hieronymus]

8. Loftus

knows where all the bodies are buried.
Thanks, Olberman for having him on your show.:wow:

[Aidoneus]

10. more from the site..

a few things from the front page, is it really a page you want to rely on to score petty political points?--

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America is at war with Muslims who read and believe Koran and Hadith.

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"Inasmuch as liberals have no morals, they can sit back and criticize other people for failing to meet the standards that liberals simply renounce....By openly admitting to being philanderers, draft dodgers, liars, weasels, and cowards, liberals avoid ever being hypocrites."
- Ann Coulter, from the most accurate - and funy - commentary on Rush Limbaugh's admission to being addicted to painkillers "With Half His Brain Tied Behind His Back". Read it here

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Get a free copy
of Allah is NOT God
when you join our
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Click for More Info

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Bibles for Iraq - what they REALLY need!

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The New Barbarians - the Best Video on Islam we've Found!

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Islam is a Criminal Conspiracy under U.S. law

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Freedom's Greatest Threats

The greatest threats to America's freedom today come from two ideas:

1. The idea that man has the authority to arbitrarily choose to disobey Judeo- Christian moral principles - that's Liberalism, and

2. Islam, a moral system that denies equality and condones theft and murder.

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[slaveplanet]

27. Loftus disputes

this flat out BS

//America is at war with Muslims who read and believe Koran and Hadith.//

the 90% of muslims the interperet the Koran through the Hadith are NOT the problem....It's the Other brainwashed or uneducated muslim's under the thumb of the Saudi backed islamofascist milliue, whom through Wahabism have twisted the translation and expanded the Use of Saudi funded wahabi based schools to push their brand of Islamofascism. It is the latter that Norquist has protected and enabled. A real bang up Patriot Grover is. Protecting the funders of the Islamic Jihad against Isreal.Loftus has the Goods ,lock ,stock and barrel. This administration has in effect pulled the indictment, in attempts to save themselves and their good buddies the Saudis embarassment and what is in effect Treason, perpetrated by the highest levels of our government all in the name of keeping the machine(USA) running. The whole thing is kind of like a mosquito and the Host.
The mosquito gets blood but it carries a pathogen that sooner or later rears it's ugly head.

Don't expect anything to be done about this. and don't think they're aren't quite a few high level FBI that are'nt a little ticked by all this. Because there are.

but nothing will be done

just make sure you take note and never forget!

[FlemingsGhost]

28. Politics is truly a dirty business, isn't it?

What's a slave to do?

[FlemingsGhost]

11. Open the following link, and check out post #20

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=178243&mesg_id=178243


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Now, ask yourself: Why would Grover Norquist suddenly be in the news?

Hmmmmmm...

[KoKo]

24. I'll do one better: Here's realpolitik's Actual Post! A MUST READ!

realpolitik (1000+ posts)
Wed Oct-22-03 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #12
20. The Grover is going down



Because he backed the PNAC group in their little coup d'etat.
And the coup is failing, partially because not all republicans have the balls or desire to take the next goose step along
with Ashcroft's brownshirts.

There was also s'posed to be a point where Rove got to stop the
spin machine's defensive spinning, and concentrate again on the offensive 'peace for oil' program. That won't happen
now unless some big ass WMD get popped in the USA. Preferably by the Saudis.

So now the PNAC boyz are left hanging, without justice being able to deliver on social control, like they promised.
Seems there were more libertarians on the right than they thought, and the center started getting more afraid of John
than Osama/Saddam. The left is noisily sharpening knives, and smiling enigmatically.

Cheney was supposed to have the intel under control, and does not, or we would have already 'found' WMD in Iraq.
L'Affaire Plame has really set the whole intel community against Bush, they bent over and took it for him once over
911, they were not in a mood to do it again, and then the WH outed Plame to threaten Wilson. The PNAC boys in a
moment of monumental ego took on State, and the CIA in one stroke.

Rummy was supposed to have Iraq and Afghanistan Stablilized, and Powell was to keep the UN in line. They have both
failed miserably.
Alienating the Pentagon and the U.N. with the same gusto that Cheney and Rove have pissed off the CIA. Apperently
the only one who is getting the job done is Rice, because she is not in the news.

It is an open secret that the world regards the US/British axis as a threat to world peace. What Rove is no longer able
to hide is the fact that the rest of the world is mobilizing to do to us what we did to the Soviet Union-- make us spend
our way into oblivion. Bush, because it makes his handlers happy, is a conspiritor to the plot to drown the American
Government/Economy in the bathtub. Of course, in the process he and his will get rich as Crassus.

When you are that arrogant and aggressive, people tend to, well... bushwhack you...they eschew direct confrontation,
but sniple from the flanks. Our flank, in case no one is paying attention, is the economy.
An additional tax break for the rich is a bridge too far for America. BAD THINGS(tm) will happen, such as the loss of
ALL foreign investment in our economy, out of fear of a crash, which will of course deepen the crash. Grover's boyz do
not want a crash. Because they remember the last crash, and what came from it.

Grover does not actually want Bush to drown the government in the bathtub, me merely wants it to stay weak enough
that it will not fight back when he molests it. Bush will succeed in doing what Grover does not want. Why? Because the
Bush administration is full of whores. In our great white father's brothel, there are many johns.

I do not believe that Bush's vast league of enemies (and by no means are the majority of these Democrats) will allow
him to sink it much farther before he is impeached, and many of of his followers fall hard from a high place. I wonder
if DeLay will be smart enough to save himself by turning on the administration. DeLay is trying to hold the line on
Westar, and cannot take it on the chin for the Party, or anyone else.

The whole pantheon against Bush are in rising right now, at the point of greatest infighting among the admin.
Politically, George is a dead man walking, and Arnold did not help the admin's popularity any with the true believers.
Like the Kata Strophe in a Greek tragedy, hubris has reached the point where the Gods avenge themselves on the
Protagonist. Generally, it is greater than the offense, so I would not hang around Dubya without wearing rubber
overshoes, even indoors.



Oh, it will look like an accident, but Grover is on Zeus's list too.

[Bozita]

12. oooh, this is gonna cut Grover's face time on the cable news channels

Looks like Grover belongs in the same facility as Alamoudi.

[madrchsod]

13. well georgie boy

is back from his "rainbow tour" and his brain has just been exposed as a funder of terrorism!!! i wonder if anybody can connect anybody to the "brotherhood" who set up 9-11???? and guess what -ole` pat robertson was right ,it`s the saudi`s who are behind this with the help of their good friends ,the bush klan...
evita is on..are we headed there?????

[Resistance Is Futile]

15. Not new news

The connections between Norquist and Saudi-backed terrorist front groups have been known since April 2002 if not earlier. They were even mentioned on DU's 'top ten conservative idiots' page last october.

[Snellius]

16. What's new is that Alamoudi seems to have recruited spys

as chaplains and translators recently busted at Gitmo, according to Loftus, and given all kinds of classified info, including CIA interrogation logs, to the Saudis. A major security breach. Story still vague. Norquist evidently sponsored Alamoudi.

[madfloridian]

35. Right, but isn't it a warm fuzzy feeling to see it on TV?

:evilgrin:

[madfloridian]

17. A February letter from Gaffney to Norquist, accusatory.

How long has he been suspected of all this?
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/gaffneyletter.pdf

SNIP...."Finally, I am amazed that you would try to dress up your transparently self-serving bid to
prevent fully warranted criticism of the pro-Islamist behavior described above with platitudes about the
conservative movement and its beliefs. Your conduct bears more of a resemblance to Stalinist
despotism, with its ruthless insistence on adherence to the "party line" and purges, than it does to the
principles of individual rights (such as freedom of expression) that I and all true conservatives hold dear.
This tendency has been particularly marked of late in your abuse of your chairmanship of the
Wednesday Group. You have come to employ these meetings, which I have attended fairly regularly
for seven years, as a means of mainstreaming individuals and organizations that have Islamist ties as well
as to suppress dissenting views.
It is you who owe George W. Bush, his Administration and conservatives throughout this
country an apology and, better yet, corrective action wherever it may be possible to undo -- or at least
to limit -- the damage you have done thus far."

[LiviaOlivia]

26. Isn't Gaffney a PNAC signatory?

Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll(RW'S)start devouring each other.

[KoKo]

29. Gaffney sounds bizarre, according to this he attended meetings for 7 years

with Norquist and just recently realized he was a "Stalinist Despot?" Plus Gaffney has close ties to Perle and to Gingrich.

Does Gaffney sound like he's doing serious "butt covering here?" He certainly isn't someone to trust since he was in bed with the same PNAC/Gingrich types he's now calling "Stalinists."

[madfloridian]

32. He is one of them for sure.

That letter is from February. I heard Gaffney on some show yesterday, and he is still one of them. I guess I can accept if he wants to bring Norquist down, though. And Rove?

[Kool Kitty]

33. That letter is dated from February, 2002.

What the hell is going on with this? I just watched Loftus on Keith Oberman's show and Loftus was on Batchelor and Alexander talking about this. They were fairly horrified by this, saying-this directly connects the matter to the White House.

[madfloridian]

38. Yep, that is what you call drip, drip, drip. Been known over a year.

Amazing no one was horrified before now.
:evilgrin:

[KoKo]

47. Olberman and Loftus saying this directly connects to WH??? Really?

I can't wait to read that transcript!

[Snellius]

19. WP: Alleged Terrorist Met With Bush Adviser (Rove)

A former university professor indicted this week as a terrorist leader attended a 2001 group meeting in the White House complex with President Bush's senior adviser, Karl Rove, administration officials said yesterday.
...
The meeting was controversial within the White House even before it took place. The group that included Al-Arian was scheduled to be briefed by Vice President Cheney, but Cheney canceled. That morning, the Jerusalem Post had run a front-page article headlined, "Cheney to host pro-terrorist Muslim group."

Several pro-Israel and conservative activists had warned administration officials not to meet with the American Muslim Council contingent because the group had courted controversy for years, knowledgeable sources said.

Abduraham Alamoudi, a member of the organization also at the meeting with Rove, said at a White House demonstration in October 2000, "We are all supporters of Hamas," the popular name of the Islamic Resistance Movement, a main sponsor of suicide bombings in Israel.

Rove, according to Al-Arian and other attendees, used the meeting to talk of White House efforts to embrace the Muslim community. Al-Arian said he sat in the front row.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A44894-2003Feb21¬Found=true

[T Bone]

30. There is also a PICTURE of BUSH meeting one of these guys in FLA

at an airport reception or some such.
Sure I have it on my hard drive somewheres !!

I think it is a picture of Bush and Al-Arian.
But it might be Alamoudi.

Time for that pic to resurface as well ?

[slaveplanet]

36. yup

it's all connected.

al-arian, atta, bushco, flaflight schools running off with students prepaid tuitions and 6 jets.
http://www.madcowprod.com/

Hopsicker might have that pic

[KoKo]

31. This is getting totally confusing. This Kuwati Professor at Fla. U. is

a Bush contributor, but he's been under investigation by the FBI for 7 years, yet his wife gives Bush a book and their son is an aide to Rep/SenDavid Bonier???

Why would Bush be friendly with Palestinian terrorists, and how could this guy be a terrorist and yet a Professor of Computers at a Florida University for 7 years? He's also a Kuwaiti, which leads me to believe that there's some connection to Poppy Bush. Or, maybe not.

I don't see the PNAC boys cozying up to Palenstinian terrorist supporters. Quite the opposite.

This whole story is really losing me here.

[madfloridian]

34. Al Arian is Palestinian. It is a confusing story.

He was funded by the Saudis, and that is why he was protected. USF is where there were other now known to be terrorists. There was a foundation....the WISE I think. World Islamic Studies.
No one there believed it of Al Arian for a long time. I know I was attacked here a few times last year for criticizing him. But here the story is all over all the time.

[slaveplanet]

37. wis=part of

the republican Ethnic outreach organization....

fascist Insourcing to offset the Jewish leftist vote.

[madfloridian]

40. Ok, found WISE article, World and Islam Studies Enterprise Inc

http://isis2.admin.usf.edu/News/2001/arain/2001.12.19.ariantimeline.htm

SNIP...."NOTE: This document builds upon a timeline created by USF's Office of Public Affairs in the mid-1990s. Dates prior to Sept. 26, 2001 are as complete as could be quickly reconstructed.

January 22, 1986 - Sami Al-Arian is hired as an assistant professor by USF.

1991 - USF Middle Eastern Committee is formed to promote dialogue after Persian Gulf War.

1991 - Al-Arian founds the World and Islam Studies Enterprise Inc. as an Islamic think tank in Temple Terrace, Florida.

1992 - USF's Middle Eastern Committee signs an agreement with WISE to sponsor academic meetings and occasionally publish papers.

1992-94 - WISE brings Islamic speakers to campus.

November 1994 - A PBS documentary, "Jihad in America" alleges Al-Arian is the head of the Islamic Jihad terrorist group's domestic support network. The documentary was created by Steve Emerson.

1994-95 - Ramadan Abdullah Shallah teach Arabic during the spring semesters.

May 1995 - A two-part series in The Tampa Tribune questions ties among USF, WISE and the Islamic Committee for Palestine charity....."

Very long and detailed.

[seasat]

42. Hey Madfloridian, don't forget Jebbie's funding of the terrorist school

Jebbie was sending FL voucher money to the tune of several hundred grand to private religious school Al-Arian was involved with. The school was supposedly accused of being a training school for terrorism.

[madfloridian]

43. Right, and no one knew about it.

And the kids were not having to be tested, and the school was not held accountable. Another voucher horror story.

[slaveplanet]

45. 5th Column

ok I found more on the Republican Ethnic Outreach organization(REOO) as outlined by Dave Emory's broadcast FTR-405 the fifth column wfmu.org/playlists/dx

14.      As discussed in FTR#’s 357-359, the point man for the Republicans’ tax-slashing program is also the point man for the Islamist/Al Qaeda/Wahhabi/Muslim Brotherhood faction of the Republican ethnic outreach organization. That man is Grover Norquist. (One should not fail to note in this context that the Islamist milieu is the one alluded to in the article about the Wahhabi Trojan Horse in the Chaplain Corps.) Slashing taxes while increasing expenditures to fight wars will represent a synthesis of Verdun and Operation Bernhard. It will destroy the US economy (and also the military, which will not be able to finance its operations.) Note that Norquist is “primary tax-cutter” and also “primary Islamist contact man” for the GOP. The program reviews the Sami Al-Arian lawsuit, which led to the Operation Green Quest Raids of 3/20/2002. Again, note Norquist’s position here. (For more about the Al-Arian lawsuit, see—among other programs—FTR#’s 357, 400, 404& the DE interview of John Loftus FTR# 406. For more about the 3/20/2002 Green Quest raids, see—among other programs—FTR#’s 356, 357, 359, 382, 390.) “The indictment alludes to efforts by the defendants to gain political clout, alleging that they sought ‘to obtain support from influential individuals in the United States under the guise of promoting and protecting Arab rights.’ It offers few details of such efforts, but likely will inflame a debate embroiling the Republican Party over efforts to court Muslim Americans. The spat pits conservative activist Grover Norquist—a close ally of the Bush White House who has spent years wooing Muslims through a group he founded called the Islamic Institute—against pro-Israel conservatives led by Frank Gaffney. . . .Last year, Mr. Arian visited the Islamic Institute’s Washington offices, which shares offices with Mr. Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform. . . .The Islamic Institute has received at least $31,000 from a network of Islamic organizations in Virginia under investigation by federal authorities for suspected ties to terrorism, canceled checks and tax records show. Investigators have said in court papers that the basis of that probe is a financial relationship between the Virginia groups and Mr. Arian’s alleged Palestinian Islamic Jihad fronts.” (“Florida Professor, 7 Others Are Accused of Terror Funding” by Jess Bravin and Glenn R. Simpson; The Wall Street Journal; 2/21/2002; p. A8.)
15.      Norquist’s role as primary tax-slasher is highlighted in the article that follows. “Reaction from advocates and critics was swift and strong. ‘It’s a tax shelter for the wealthy. This is really an attempt to help the president’s friends,’ said Rep. Robert t. Matsui, D-Sacramento. ‘It’s unbelievable.’ ‘These are the building blocks of a new tax system,’ said Grover Norquist, president of the conservative Americans for Tax Reform.” (“Bush Proposes New Tax-Free Savings Plans” by Peter G. Gosselin; The Los Angeles Times; 2/1/2003; p. A20.)
16.      In the context of the economics of 9/11, the depressed state of the air travel industry as a result of those attacks, and the struggle between the dollar and the euro, one should note the German connection to the 9/11 hijackers. The broadcast reviews the pivotally important article researched by Daniel Hopsicker, the author of Barry and the Boys. This article was first presented in FTR#404. Be sure to check out this and other allegations researched by Mr. Hopsicker. “A year-long MadCowMorningNews investigation has uncovered evidence that at least seven of Mohamed Atta’s closest associates in Florida during the year leading up to the 9/11 attack were not Arab, but German. The names of the seven, all pilots, have not surfaced in any press accounts of Atta’s stay in the U.S., nor has their existence been mentioned or alluded to in official statements. Traveling with Atta, or meeting him around the state, Atta’s German friends appeared to share a relationship with him of long-standing, according to eyewitnesses, dating back to his days in Hamburg. The meetings, in places like key West and Miami, were apparently very serious business; when they returned, said someone who was there, Atta and his German associates ‘always came back glum.’ Only one of the seven is still in the U.S.; five live in Germany or Switzerland. The seventh, with whom Atta reportedly traveled extensively, has a criminal record in Germany, and today lives in Saudi Arabia. The identities of the seven German nationals were pieced together from information gleaned in interviews with Atta’s one-time American girlfriend, corroborated by independent aviation sources in Venice and Naples, FL. . .” (“9/11: The German Connection” by Daniel Hopsicker; p. 1;

could there yet be another german connection to WTC and 9/11?
(from Skolnicks' OOTAR#41) http://www.rense.com/general43/over41.htm
see also NYT article at bottom of OOTAR#41
August 18, 2001, Saturday
  METROPOLITAN DESK
  Balcony Scene (Or Unseen) Atop the World; Episode at Trade Center Assumes Mythic Qualities
  By SHAILA K. DEWAN (NYT)

Skolnick:
3. Notice this strange series of events. A group of purported German and Austrian artists apparently smuggled their way into the World Trade Center. THEY LIVED FOR SOME TIME ON THE 91st FLOOR of one of the twin towers.

The German and Austrian purported artists were working on a book while living on the 91st floor of one of the Twin Towers, in an area that had been a warehouse, where they built a balcony.
"In short, the book belies the extravagance of the feat it seems to document: the covert installation, and brief use of a balcony on the 91st floor of the World Trade Center, 1,100 feet above the earth. Eight photographs---some grainy, all taken from a great distance--depict one tower's vast eastern facade, marred by a tiny molelike growth; a lone figure dressed in a white jacket, standing on a lectern-size box."
"Balcony Scene (Or Unseen) Atop the World; Episode at Trade Center Assumes Mythic Qualities", by Shaila K. Dewan, Metropolitan Desk, New York Times, Saturday, August 18, 2001 (1645 words to story).


and from FTR#406 interview w/ Loftus

Following discussion of the Al-Arian suit, the program highlights the magnificent follow-up to that suit—the consummately important Operation Green Quest raids of 3/20/2002. As discussed in FTR#357, it was the information provided by John Loftus to federal investigators that precipitated these raids. In this part of the program, John notes that George W. Bush is in a difficult position. If the investigation were to go as far as it might, Bush would be in the position of seeing his father indicted. (For more about Operation Green Quest, see--among other programs—FTR#’s 356, 357, 359, 366, 382, 389, 390, 395, 400, 404.)
3.           After helping to launch the Operation Green Quest raids, John was instrumental in forging the legal coalition and providing the documentary underpinning for the lawsuit filed against powerful members of the Saudi elite on behalf of the survivors of victims of the 9/11 raids. John is the intelligence adviser to that suit. (For more about that lawsuit, see—among other programs—FTR#’s 386, 389, 390.)

[bleedingheart]

49. I can't get to this article...supposed maintenance???

[KoKo]

20. OH Yes! I can believe this......of course I can. Maybe if Networks/cable

won't cover it, someone will. But, don't hold your breath.....we have a big lobby which is very happy with things the way they are.

Still, yes, I believe Norquist and many of his "little helpers" are into dark stuff.....evil stuff.....corrupt stuff..things most of us really would want to run away from or close our ears and eyes to.

:-(

[Old and In the Way]

21. Remember right after 9/11 how Bush said he was going after the financial

backers of terrorists, that he was going to "drain the swamp"? Then, shortly, thereafetr, no more discussion about the financial sources of terror?

I think we have our reason why.

[Bozita]

22. Keith Olbermann replay is at midnight ET

[DoYouEverWonder]

23. Jeff Koopersmith at APJ

has published a couple of good articles about good old Grover.

His association with the Islamic Institute and his ties to terrorism is not new news.


http://www.americanpolitics.com/20021209Koop.html

[KoKo]

56. These articles are a long read! Print out and enjoy! Blockbuster!

Even scanning the right column with the link to Salon's Jake Tapper's article gives you the jist of what Noquist is about. I think he had his dirty hand with Saudi money into the Florida Fiasco from reading all of Koopersmith's article, which goes back to Senator Levin's investigations of how Norquist has laundered money through his "Taxpayers Non Profit" into the Repugs coffers in elections througout the US!

This is as bad as BBV and probably there's even a connection there. This is how BAD this all is....and how enmeshed in our system. And, that Janet Reno wouldn't investigate is intriguing. I always blamed Reno for what happened to Clinton. She had a choice and she chose to let Ken Starr go after Clinton. But, she let Norquist, slither!

[johnfunk]

78. My sources tell me Koopersmith...

... is planning an updated scathe of Grover.

[TennesseeWalker]

25. Big News, tho...even if it's not new.

This is serious. Norquist is one of the leading manufacturers of conservative opinion. The NEWSMAX readers, if they have one ounce of American Patriotism and plain common sense, should at least start listening to those of us who don't trust this administration. The more reasonable of the conservatives should begin to wake up to the fact that they have been lied to and manipulated for financial gain.

Even the "Good Germans" had to wake up to the fact that they'd allowed themselves to be deceived and lied to. No one likes to be betrayed. Betrayl always turns ugly. We must be prepared to console them as best we can when they realize the mess they've gotten us all into.

[T Bone]

39. kick

nt

[KoKo]

55. Kick this!

:kick:

[KoKo]

61. kick! N/T

:kick:

[Catherine Vincent]

41. I have seen this Grover Norquist only a couple of times.

Both times on C-Span. This guy makes my skin crawl.

[smallprint]

44. It's guys like that who give Grover a bad name

This is the REAL Grover:

[madfloridian]

53. Aww, sweet.

I love Grover.

:D

[dusty64]

46. Important!

:kick:

[madfloridian]

48. Link to MSNBC page to watch for transcripts.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/msnbctranscriptsmain_front.asp

[KoKo]

50. The Transcript is Up! Go to the site now for the read!

Hopefully someone will post some of the details. I'm going to read the whole thing now........

[madfloridian]

52. Here is the core of the whole thing. Straight to the White House.

...."But, who was it that fixed the cases? How could these guys operate for more than a decade immune from prosecution? And, the answer is coming out in a very strange place. What Alamoudi and al-Arian have in common is a guy named Grover Norquist. He’s the super lobbyist. Newt Gingrich’s guy, the one the NRA calls on, head of American taxpayers. He is the guy that was hired by Alamoudi to head up the Islamic institute and he’s the registered agent for Alamoudi, personally, and for the Islamic Institute.
Grover Norquist’s best friend is Karl Rove, the White House chief of staff, and apparently Norquist was able to fix things. He got extreme right wing Muslim people to be the gatekeepers in the White House. That’s why moderate Americans couldn’t speak out after 9/11. Moderate Muslims couldn’t get into the White House because Norquist’s friends were blocking their access......"

[Snellius]

51. Here's the good part:

Joining us now, with more on the purported double life of this prominent Muslim-American is John Loftus, host of “The Loftus Report” and frequent quest on this show.
John, good evening.
JOHN LOFTUS, HOST, “THE LOFTUS REPORT”: Good evening, Keith.
OLBERMANN: Well, they sure vetted this guy. How-what happened here?
LOFTUS: Well, you know, it’s a funny story. About a year-and-a-half ago, people in the intelligence community came and said-guys like Alamoudi and Sami al-Arian and other terrorists weren’t being touched because they’d been ordered not to investigate the cases, not to prosecute them, because there were being funded by the Saudis and a political decision was being made at the highest levels, don’t do anything that would embarrass the Saudi government. So, of course I immediately volunteered to do it and I filed a lawsuit, against al-Arian charging him with being a major terrorist for Islamic Jihad, most of his money came from Saudi charities in Virginia.
Now, Alamoudi’s headquarters were in the same place, he was raided the same day, on March 20. An hour after I filed my lawsuit, the U.S. government finally got off its butt and they raided these offices. And, the stuff that they’re taking out of there now is absolutely horrendous. Al-Arian has now, finally been indicted, an along with Alamoudi, today.
But, who was it that fixed the cases? How could these guys operate for more than a decade immune from prosecution? And, the answer is coming out in a very strange place. What Alamoudi and al-Arian have in common is a guy named Grover Norquist. He’s the super lobbyist. Newt Gingrich’s guy, the one the NRA calls on, head of American taxpayers. He is the guy that was hired by Alamoudi to head up the Islamic institute and he’s the registered agent for Alamoudi, personally, and for the Islamic Institute.
Grover Norquist’s best friend is Karl Rove, the White House chief of staff, and apparently Norquist was able to fix things. He got extreme right wing Muslim people to be the gatekeepers in the White House. That’s why moderate Americans couldn’t speak out after 9/11. Moderate Muslims couldn’t get into the White House because Norquist’s friends were blocking their access.
OLBERMANN: How does this tie back into the thing that apparently pulled the stopper out of the drain, if you will-The developers at Guantanamo bay? How rotten is the system of the interpreters and the chaplains-the Muslim Chaplains that Alamoudi was involved in setting up?
LOFTUS: It’s as rotten as it gets. Think of the Muslim chaplain’s program that he set up as a spy service for al-Qaeda. The damage that’s been done is extreme. It wasn’t just sending home mom and dad messages from the prisoners. These guys, this network in Guantanamo, stole the CIA’s briefing books. Everything that the CIA knew about al-Qaeda is now back in al-Qaeda hands. That’s about as bad an intelligence setback as you can get.
OLBERMANN: John, how does this end up? How far will the investigation into this necessarily have to go to get to the bottom of it?
LOFTUS: There’s a lot more to go. Norquist had a lot of other clients. There’s a whole alphabet soup of Saudi agencies that funded terrorism in this country. They had an awful lot of protection. And, one of the things we may find about 9/11 is that people out in the field weren’t allowed to connect the dots and questions will be asked weather guys like Grover Norquist were part of the problem?

http://www.msnbc.com/news/984616.asp

[maggrwaggr]

66. triple wow!!

Veerrrrrrrrrry interesting ...

[davidinalameda]

54. interesting

but then again it might just be anti-Arab garbage

[Guaranteed]

57. WTF?

I don't get this at all. Repukes turning against each other, meeting with Hamas and Hezbollah? What the hell is going on?

[slaveplanet]

58. I think

what we are witnessing, is a riff. On one side you have those that want to oversee the destruction of America, while enriching themselves. On the Other you have those that want to oversee the destruction of America by zionist proxy rule of the ruins.

[KoKo]

60. You have an important point there.....who will listen?

Who will care....with Kobe, Kobe, Kobe all the time.....and Bush setting the agenda, and the Media Controlled by BIG Business......who will listen or care. Even here on DU it's Candidates all the time....and the Candidate wars...

:-(

[Must_B_Free]

62. Remember the big thing was suposed to be Norquist's

Arabic business card?

What ever happened with that?

[KoKo]

63. Do you have link? Norquist's "Arab Business Card?" Too much fun!

:shrug:

[Must_B_Free]

64. should be around

was posted on DU not too long after 911

[KoKo]

67. Here it is! Tom Daschle did it! Here's the link from Salon...get the

1-Day pass....for whole article.....Here's a clip:

Conservative constitutional catfight!
Right-wing activists team up with the left-wing ACLU to bash the PATRIOT Act. The
Justice Department is not amused.

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By Jake Tapper

April 11, 2003 | WASHINGTON --

One year ago, on April 10, 2002, influential conservative activist Grover Norquist was at the
Arab American Institute Foundation's annual Kahlil Gibran Spirit of Humanity Awards dinner
when he saw one of the more liberal members of Congress, Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis.

Norquist felt compelled to shake his hand. Feingold had been the only senator to vote against
the USA PATRIOT Act, which Norquist opposed for giving the government too much power
and robbing citizens of basic rights to privacy and civil liberties. Norquist had worked on
curtailing some of the government's powers on the House side with then Majority Leader Dick
Armey, R-Texas, and members of the American Civil Liberties Union. He assumed that the
Senate -- then under Democratic control -- would make even further movements in that
direction. It didn't. In fact, in Norquist's view, what came out of the Senate was even worse --
fewer protections for citizens, more power for government, more secrecy.

He asked Feingold why that was. At the very least, the Senate could have adopted the House
version. Why didn't they?

Feingold pointed across the room, at then Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., also
a dinner attendee. "Because Daschle told us to fold," Feingold said.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/04/11/aclu/index_np.html

[9215]

65. The Norquist Wahhabis contributed to Bush prez campaign!

Wahabbism in the US! Connected to White House.
was reading a story linked to an LBN thread when a name set off bells in my head. I checked a story I saved on my hard drive and sure enough, there is a connection TO BUSH AND THE WHITE HOUSE.
Wahhabis in the Old Dominion
What the federal raids in Northern Virginia uncovered.
Weekly Standard
by Stephen Schwartz
04/08/2002, Volume 007, Issue 29
<snip>
......Reaction to the raids suggests the Feds inflicted serious injury on the Wahhabi lobby, the Saudi-backed extremist network that largely controls Islam in America. Officials of the targeted groups as well as their non-Muslim apologists--notably GOP operative Grover Norquist, the chief enabler of Islamic extremists seeking access to the White House--have condemned the raids as civil rights violations. ..........

The keystone of the Saudi-sponsored Northern Virginia network is the Saar Foundation, created by Suleiman Abdul Al-Aziz al-Rajhi, a scion of one of the richest Saudi families. The Saar Foundation is connected to Al-Taqwa, a shell company formerly based in Switzerland, where its leading figures included a notorious neo-Nazi and Islamist, Ahmed Huber. Subsequently moved to the United States, Al-Taqwa was shut down after September 11 and its assets frozen by U.S. presidential order. But operations continued, as the Wahhabi lobby shifted to its backup institutions here.
Saar has also been linked to Khalid bin Mahfouz, former lead financial adviser to the Saudi royal family and ex-head of the National Commercial Bank of Saudi Arabia. Mahfouz has been named by French intelligence as a backer of Osama bin Laden; Mahfouz endowed the Muwafaq Foundation, which U.S. authorities confirm was an arm of bin Laden's terror organization. Muwafaq's former chief, Yassin al-Qadi, oversaw the financial penetration of Bosnia-Herzegovina and Albania by Wahhabi terrorists in the late 1990s.
more: <http://terrorism.reallybites.com/article16.htm>

Norquist link to SAAR? http://law.about.com/library/911/blsaar.htm
Co-conspirators, aiders and abettors of the Saar Network include defendants: Abu Sulayman, Ahmed Totonji, Hisham al-Talib, Iqbal Yunus, Jamal Barzinji, M. Omar Ashraf, Mohammed Jaghlit, Muhammad Ashraf, Taha Jaber al-Alwani, Tarik Hamdi, Yaqub Mirza, Sherif Sedky, African Muslim Agency, Aradi, Inc., Grove Corporate, Inc., Heritage Education Trust, International Institute of Islamic Thought, Mar-Jac Investments, Inc., Mar-Jac Poultry, Inc., Mena Corporation, Reston Investments, Inc., SAAR International, Safa Trust, Sterling Charitable Gift Fund, Sterling Management Group, Inc., and York Foundation, all located doing business or registered to do business in the United States.

Head of SAAR donated $1000 to Bush in 2000. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A28721-2002Mar27?language=printer
The request created a thorny question for the Bush administration -- whether the president should take campaign cash from a leader of a Northern Virginia group that his own Treasury Department is raiding as part of a terrorist financing investigation.

[9215]

68. It has something to do with

the shift in the wind since the Iraq war turned into something less than a cake walk. When it first came out over a year ago (see my post below) Bush was still untouchable because of the 9/11 unity thing.

But he has been increasingly called into question and his link to the Bin Laden's out in the Press some. When they establish the link between these Wahhabis and Bin Laden family then look for the stuff to hit the fan.

[Snellius]

69. Atrios just picked up on the story:

http://atrios.blogspot.com/

Check out the "comments". A lot of mouths dropping open.

[grasswire]

70. the freepers are all over this story...

....from citizensoldier.org. Many of them are quite upset. The Bushbots, of course, are rationalizing.

[demgrrrll]

71. Josh Marshall has something up now too.

<http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/>

[Snellius]

73. Too bad. Josh got the memo but missed the message.

Too bad Marshall didn't discuss the Olbermann/Loftus interview. The point of this story is not just that Norquist was involved with Islamic front organizations but that he turns out to be the major sponsor and protector of Alamoudi who set up an Arab spy network at Gitmo.

[demgrrrll]

74. Yes I agree he doesn't seem to be on top of this one but he is taking

a harder look than he was in the past which is a good thing overall.

[ComerPerro]

72. Oh

My



Fucking


God




This administration never ceases to amaze me.

[TennesseeWalker]

75. Kick

[ursacorwin]

76. this is soooooo important, everyone

and i'm literally afriad to share my opinion why. The Giants are battling one another in this, timing is everything, expect MAJOR consequences during the shake up.

i think in the long run, this is 'good' for 'our' side.

[SpiralHawk]

77. E-mails Away !

Since Bev Harris is apparently not doing mass media mailings just now (if I understand correctly), it's up to us netizens to spread this thread.

I'm e-mailing the URL with an introduction to many of the folks on my e-mail lists. May I suggest you do the same.

This story needs to be read by the American public.



"President Bush has said that he does not need approval from the UN to wage war, and I'm thinking, well, hell, he didn't need the approval of the American voters to become president, either." -- David Letterman

[KoKo]

80. Not one Sunday "Pundit Show" focused on this! Or, even mentioned Norquist

There was some coverage but it focused on Colin Powell and his "litany of lies" and "his voice" for the "squatters in the White House.

I even watched C-Span's "New Yorker Magazines" focus on the media and I saw Eric Alterman represent our DU'er point of view. and I watched everything I'd missed on C-Span this wee! The Senate Finance Committee's hearings on "Off Shore Tax Shelters.....leasing the "German Subway System" for the benefit of American Corporate Clients to get around our tax laws, and then onto Tariq Azziz's new book about Iraq, then onto Peter Hart's Focus Group and then waiting for the next Dem Debate!

But, after watching what I've watched so far (and that includes the "Anti-Iraq Washington Protest")....I'm ready to JUP OUT THE WINDOW!!!!! It's all so frustrating!

[PretzelzRule]

81. KICK

:kick:

This is too important to sink like a stone...

[KoKo]

83. Agree! We have the architect of Bush's Tax Cut's and other Evils on Ropes

and where is this HUGE story? Where????? It's really disheartening! It is........:-(

[JackRiddler]

82. McKinney was attacked for taking $1,000 !!!

One really sickening angle is that when Alamoudi contributed to Cynthia McKinney's campaign, it was played up as "McKinney Ties to Terrorism"!

Alamoudi's group supported Bush in 2000!

And the attack on McKinney came after Bush invited Alamoudi (of all people) to represent Muslims at the National Cathedral ceremony right after Sept. 11 (on Sept. 15, I believe, this was the service that ended with the Battle Hymn of the Republic, the launching of the Crusade).

Lots of detail at http://osamaskidneys.com/mckinney.html

[slaveplanet]

84. Mckinney was attacked

for telling the truth...she broke the trn conmmandments of the administration. Thus it was open season...highly unlikely she knew the true sorce of that donation

[KoKo]

85. McKinney Knew! And, I hope she will come back to fight another day!

She was very controversial on DU.....many thought she was "too outspoken" at the time. Time seems to have proven her correct. Her big statement was that "Bush was responsible for 9/11.." Even though that wasn't an exact quote of what she waid.....she said we needed more answers (paraphrase) the media twisted it to : "McKinny says Bush responsible for 9/11. Media says lies or misinterpretations .... and candidate dies. She wanted an investigation.

We here on DU STILL want a THOROUGH INVESTIGATION! Was she wrong?