Here Comes Another Load of BS. CIA Exaggerated Saddam Threat

[Solomon]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9230-2003Oct23.html


First we hear that CIA kept telling administration that it was overstating the Iraq thing and now...

It was the CIA all the time! How 'bout that?! I hate to say it folks. I'm ready to throw in the towel. The truth is taking such a beating the ref needs to stop the fight. I don't even want any more investigations. All they do is piss you off even more.

My legs are aching to goose step and my right hand keeps shooting forward for some reason. One nation under God under God under God under God under God under God under God...

[radwriter0555]

1. Well this is an "I told you so" for people like me, who have said as

much since 9.11. I continue to stand by my assertion that bin laden had nothing to do with 9.11.

So when do we get the same report on HUSSEIN?

[Solomon]

5. I got beat up terribly by everyone including my wife, when

I said Bin Laden had nothing to do with 911. It was so bad I had to stop saying it. I don't believe any of the story about 911.

They continually rewrite history as it happens.

[Loonman]

2. Dubya dissing the CIA?

He's a one-termer for sure.

[JHB]

3. No, they're talikg about the shills (Tenent in CIA, and the OSP at Defens

"The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence is preparing a blistering report on prewar intelligence on Iraq that is critical of CIA Director George J. Tenet and other intelligence officials for overstating the weapons and terrorism case against Saddam Hussein, according to congressional officials. "
...
"Sen. John "Jay" Rockefeller IV (D-W. Va.) said yesterday he had secured a promise from Roberts to ask one executive agency, the Defense Department and, in particular, its Office of Special Plans, for information about the intelligence it collected or analyzed on Iraq. "

[Media_Lies_Daily]

10. Don't lump Tenet with the shills like OSP...

...Tenet is a long-time CIA man with excellent intelligence credentials.

The Bushies are trying to smear Tenet via the GOP-controlled Congress because they hold him responsible for the fallout from the Wilson Affair.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

4. IT WAS "OSP"...shout it from the rooftops!!!! ......must read

created by wolfowitz and perle to produce fabricated intelligence to fit PNAC agenda because the CIA wouldn't give bush the intel they wanted...this agency was created just months before bush*s SOTU and Powells false evidence speech presented to the UN

IT WAS NOT THE CIA...IT WAS PERLE AND WOLFOWITZ AND BUSH CABAL!!!!

www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00157.htm

When George Tenet, the director of the CIA, testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee last week about dubious intelligence data on the Iraqi threat that made it into President Bush’s State of the Union address in January, he said an ad-hoc committee called the Office of Special Plans, headed by Wolfowitz, Assistant Secretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith and other high-profile hawks rewrote the intelligence information on Iraq that the CIA gathered and gave it to White House officials to help Bush build a case for war, according to three Senators on the intelligence committee.

Tenet told the Intelligence Committee that his own spies at the CIA determined that much of the intelligence information they collected on Iraq could not prove that the country was an imminent threat nor could they find any concrete evidence that Iraq was stockpiling a cache of chemical and biological weapons. But the Office of Special Plans, using Iraqi defectors from the Iraqi National Congress as their main source, rewrote some of the CIA’s intelligence to say, undeniably, that Iraq was hiding some of the world’s most lethal weapons. Once the intelligence was rewritten, it was delivered to the office of National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice, where it found its way into various public speeches given by Vice President Dick Cheney, Deputy Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Bush, the Senators said.

Moreover, these Senators allege that the office of the Vice President and the National Security Council were fully aware that the intelligence Wolfowitz’s committee collected may not have been reliable. The Senators said they are discussing privately whether to ask Wolfowitz to testify before a Senate hearing in the near future to determine how large of a role his Special Plans committee played in providing the President with intelligence data on Iraq and whether that information was reliable or beefed up to help build a case for war.

A week ago, Tenet claimed responsibilty for allowing the White House to use the now disputed claim that Iraq was trying to purchase uranium from Niger to build an atomic bomb in Bush's State of the Union address. Last week, these Senators and a CIA intelligence official said the Office of Special Plans urged the White House to use the uranium claim in Bush's speech.

But Democrats in the Senate are now asking what role the secret committee set up by Wolfowitz played in hyping the intelligence on Iraq's weapons programs


more....

www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles7/ Leopold_Tenet-Wolfy.htm

Asia Times -
... The OSP is just one more arm of the neo-cons - especially Wolfowitz and Feith - in
a central strategy of supporting Ariel Sharon's hardcore policy against the ...
www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EI11Ak02.html

Who fabricated the Iraq war threat: An inside view
... intelligence and military affairs. Douglas Feith, Undersecretary of
Defense, and Paul Wolfowitz set up the OSP. Shulsky is an avid ...
www.rebelion.org/petras/english/030813petrasirak.htm

[Octafish]

6. "Gott mit uns!"

Not yet, Solomon! Not yet!

So the BFEE is trying to make the CIA a scapegoat for their Treasonous war. Don't think for a minute it's going to work. The CIA and everybody who remembers anything about the sorry mess — which is about everybody coast-to-coast — KNOWS the turd Rove and the Little Turd from Crawford are to blame. Ambassador Joseph Wilson and Sen. John Kerry won't. Kerry wants DoJ to appoint a Special Prosecutor.

Then there's this short, handy list of Assorted BFEE Treason:

1. 9-11 won't go away. CIA, FBI, NSA and even Condescenda Rice told Bush about bin Laden and the hijackings in August 2001. Bush did ZERO. That stuff is hard to forget.

2. HARKEN Energy stayed solvent long enough for Bush to turn a big inside trade profite because of "investments" tied to the House of bin Laden through Bush TANG buddy James R Bath. There are people in the Justice Department and Pentagon who track such things as links between terrorists and American political figures.

3. ENRON Energy Policy. People know who Kenny Boy Lay helped in 2000 and how the BFEE appointed the regulator hand-picked by Kenny Boy to allow the ripoff of California. Ahnult or no Ahnult, people will remember who begged for help and who said the market can take care of itself, while folding the energy hose.

4. Halliburton has two "Ls". Price gouging in wartime is serious business. People also remember Dick Cheney still gets $386,000 per year in salary from the people who make money from the $87 billion rebuild Iraq pork.

5. Stolen Election in Florida may be buried by The New York Times, but not by any Democrat worth his or her chad. So now that Black Box Voting is all the rage, thanks to Bev Harris and TIA and a bunch more DUers and concerned Americans, we will see lots of worms are yet to turn in this one. Maybe some entrepid reporter will even call Ms. LePore and ask her why she is so close to Adnan Khashoggi?

There are too many more to create a master listing this early in the day, but I'll be happy to keep reminding everyone who'll listen, anytime, about the Bush Organized Crime Family and how they're taking America for a bunch of rubes. I know you do too, Solomon.

[Solomon]

8. Yep. You got it Octafish.

But you know, something I've always been very very confused about.

I've always thought that the CIA was Bush, you know. That's why it's confusing to me that there sees to be an apparent split between Bush and the CIA. Is it real, or just apparent?

We know how long Bush senior was in the CIA, and can you really get out, once you're in? Seems to me he's the oldest surviving guy from the CIA, they usually get bumped off after being in the thick of things.

I admit to being confused. I still think Bush senior runs the CIA. That's why I never got too high on the "he better not fuck with the CIA" stuff that's been bandied around lately. Don't get me wrong, I wish like hell our CIA could save us, but ...

I know it's too early to write long tomes but Octafish, please pump me up on why I should not be concerned that the CIA is Bush.

[Octafish]

11. CIA bigger than Bush.

Not that I'm an expert, but from what I've read and heard:

The Agency has many different levels, populated by people with many different personal associations and professional loyalties. Some have been with the Agency from way back, although the “Clark Cliffords” are few and far between these days. Some have been appointed by GOPers, some by DEM administrations, others hired by one or the other.

Even with all these varied histories, what the vast, vast majority have in common is loyalty to the United States of America and are sworn to uphold, protect and defend its Constitution. It is not the fault of the rank-and-file they have been misled down the years by W or Poppy or Helms or whomever. James Bamford and a few other authors can paint a far better picture.

Personally for me and the millions of Americans who still care: The agency has a lot of explaining to do for their relationship to Lee Harvey Oswald and the cover-up of the shenanigans in Mexico City, for starters. James Jesus Angleton sounds like he was a very complicated fellow.

Again, Dallas and Vietnam and the rest of the policy (ugh!) shortcomings are the fault of the higher-ups. These turds of what Jonathan Vankin calls Capitalism's Invisible Army serve Wall Street and those who own Wall Street. Gore Vidal calls them the "War Party" who profit from the perpetual war. He may be on to something, but that, again is the leadership.

With regards to the present situation, where the CIA is getting set up by Rove to take the Iraqi fall: The CIA camel’s back is long broken. The last straw was the treasonous outing of Valerie Plame to send the political warning to others who may rock the boat like Amb. Joe Wilson. The men and women in the agency see that the Bush cabal was willing to risk, not only the life and network contacts’ lives for the sake of making a political warning, they willingly compromised the National Security of the US.

Plame and her work are that important — she was helping fight the spread of nuclear weapons and other WMDs. Hey, the Russians say they can't account for many of their tactical nukes from the USSR days. So, using her to get to her husband was a mistake of historic and treasonous proportions because it made the US militarily less secure. I hope it gets some people arrested and tried for treason under the USA PATRIOT Act of not, that may be a capital offense.

The rank-and-file have signalled they have taken all the BS they are going to allow from Bush and his PNAC-Moonie toadies in the White House and Congress. You see, Solomon, the regular officers, operatives, and analysts may be predominantly Republican, but the people in the CIA are loyal to the United States. They see the people who Bush works for are not.

PS: Maybe this should be put in a calculus Dyslectic W can understand:

CIA Big. Bush small.

Or how Poppy would explain it to Dim Son:

"CIA Good. W bad."

EDIT: durn typos.

[Solomon]

12. Thanks Octafish. You give me hope.

It feels so strange but good to hope the CIA to protect our constitution. It sounds too good to be true. I do think that they try not to be political.

[ithacan]

7. Here's proof they're lieing

check out this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=583429

Articles from before the war where CIA insiders are reporting that the WHite House is forcing them to "cook the books." I've posted two articles, if you have any others from that prewar period on this, please post them to the above thread...

[Solomon]

9. Great job Ithacan.

My computer is so full of shit that I've saved to show how they are changing things that happened that I stopped saving.

It's too much for people to comprehend and I think that's why Bush keeps starting things that he can'[t finish. You can't catch up to him like that.