Life was perfect before abortion and God taken out of schools

[usregimechange]

We have all heard this traditionalist mantra before. School violence is often the catalyst for this. As such, I am looking for cases of school violence that happened pre-1950. Anyone have any good examples?

Or maybe quotes where people were saying similar things pre-1950.

[RuB]

1. The only school violence then was bullying and pre marital sex?

Dr. Spock has done more to harm society than taking the Bible out of schools.

[quaker bill]

4. Wrong

Dr. Spock was a decent guy. My kids are a testament to his understanding of parenting.

I helped the man get over the fence to be arrested at a protest over first strike nuclear weapons 15 years ago. It was an honor and privledge.

[Dogmudgeon]

2. Just dig up an old copy of Readers' Digest

I had one from 1936 that gravely warned of the dangers of Communism and Liberalism, said that people were too worried about Hitler (aftr all, he hadn't killed thousands of people like that meanie Stalin did), denounced "modern women" with their cosmetics, their cigarette-smoking, and their short skirts, and contained a heart-warming essay about how a young mother decided to forget about what the hifalutin' psychology perfessers were saying, and to spank her little boy. (Her son, not her husband.)

It was worse than disgusting -- it went all the way to silly. But DeWitt Wallace never did like anything modern except for modern art, his entrée into New York cocktail society.

--bkl

[maggrwaggr]

9. Wow! And I thought they were bad now!

that's pretty funny actually.

[xray s]

3. here is an example of the good ol' days of God fearin' USA

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/kids/civilrights/features_school.html

As they drove toward the school that morning, the students knew what awaited them--an angry group of white protesters. Just a few weeks before, the nine had walked past just such a crowd to the high school's entrance. That morning, Arkansas National Guardsmen had turned the nine away, and, along with police, stood by while the mob pelted the black students cars with stones, assaulted them, and threatened their lives. But even though they were scared, the nine hadn't given up. Like many of the figures in what came to be known as the Civil Rights movement, they would keep trying.

[PassingFair]

5. and what about that lunatic

that blew up a school filled with students in Michigan? Still stands as the worst school fatality record, I think. Happened in the 30's or 40's.

[usregimechange]

16. Here it is:

The Bath School Disaster

With all due respect and sympathy to the victims and their families of the Columbine and McDonald's shootings, the Oklahoma bombing, and other mass murders, they were not the worst mass murders of children in the US.

On May 18, 1927, 45 people, mostly children, were killed and 58 were injured when disgruntled and demented school board member Andrew Kehoe dynamited the new school building in Bath, Michigan out of revenge over his foreclosed farm due in part to the taxes required to pay for the new school.

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bauerle/disaster.htm

[DBoon]

6. No it wasn't

Communism still had to be rooted out!!

Maybe the issue pre-1950 was more whether kids went to school in the first place. Look at numbers about who attended school and to what grade. My guess is that the kids who were "violence problems" from the 50's on were the same sort who dropped out young before then.

[jonoboy]

7. I was caned

repeatedly for minor infractions of the rules..6 of the best across my palms and now I have a bent knuckle when the cane missed and hit my other hand. If only I could have sued the buggers .

Physically beating and punishing school children was an acceptable form of violence back then. For a long time in my youth I used my fists to solve disagreements until I learnt that violence just begets violence.

[maggrwaggr]

8. it's part of fascism to point to an idyllic past that is a fantasy

and American fascists do it quite well.

Rush Limbaugh, remember his book "The way things ought to be". Or was it "the way things used to be".

No difference.

They always point to the past (that never actually existed) and claim that it doesn't exist anymore because the enemies of the society (in our case, liberals, homosexuals, big government) screwed it up. And we have to smite those enemies to bring back the idyllic past (that never existed).

[Selwynn]

10. Abortion was taken out of schools? ;)

Grammer and sentence structure is fun!

[fujiyama]

14. Or better yet...

Abortion was put into schools...

[jsw_81]

11. The good old days

America evolves constantly, in subtle increments that aren't noticed until you look back.

Remember the 1950s: Blacks were forbidden to enter white schools, restaurants, theaters, hotels, neighborhoods, pools and most workplaces. Gays were imprisoned for "sodomy." Unmarried couples were arrested on "fornication" charges. Looking at the equivalent of a Playboy magazine or R-rated movie could land you in jail. Ditto for buying a lottery ticket or cocktail. Divorce and unwed pregnancy were hush-hush disgraces. It was a crime in some states to sell condoms, even to married couples.

Today, that era seems as unreal as the Civil War. It slipped away, but most of us were too busy to see it leaving.

http://www.infidels.org/secular_web/feature/1998/magic.html

[Clete]

18. Hey, how about those hot divorcees?

Any woman who got divorced for any reason, whether to part from an abusive spouse or he leaving her, might as well have put a red light on her door because in everyone's mind she was a whore.

[elperromagico]

12. They always say that

They also say, "If these kids had the Ten Commandments in their schools, they wouldn't be shooting each other." Uh-huh, because the Ten Commandments kept Paul Hill and John Salvi from shooting abortion doctors. The Ten Commandments kept Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker from committing adultery. The Ten Commandments keep conservatives from lying, cheating, stealing, and committing adultery.

I'm sick to death of this bizarre desire for regression. When Trent Lott said that the US would be a better place if Strom Thurmond had been elected President, he was just saying what conservatives think.

They try to paint this picture of the 1940s and 1950s as this great "gee whiz," Leave it to Beaver era in American history, which may well be the case for well-to-do whites. But I doubt many black people want to go back to the days when looking a white woman in the eye could land you at the bottom of a lake with a chain around your neck. I doubt many black people want to go back to the time when trying to vote was practically a capital offense.

When conservatives talk about "the good ol' days," they mean "the good ol' days when we didn't have to deal with Nigras."

[jafap]

13. usually they go way back for the good old days

Back to the 1850s when America was a Godly nation (um ... slavery, genocide of native Americans?) They need to go back before FDR's socialism and the income tax and big government ruined everything. The story is that the Puritans and the founding fathers started a Godly nation, but it took a wrong turn in the mid 19th century. Maybe it was when all those socialists came over from Germany after 1848.

[ComerPerro]

15. One line I really liked in Bowling for Columbine

was, to paraphrase, something along the lines of, "Those countries don't have prayer in schools, so why are we different?"

[Clete]

17. From my memory.

There were gangs. They were violent. (When you get a chance rent Westside Story.) Instead of guns though they used knives. Drugs were seldom used but alcohol and tobacco were used. Also, most of the violence was racist so usually it was the non-white offenders, who ended up in Juvie hall. There were also the chicken dares and other life endangering macho behavior that went on.

[Hamlette]

19. pay people a living wage

so that parents don't have to work 2 and 3 jobs and can spend time with their kids. I'm so sick of people blaming teachers who spend 6 hours a day with our kids. What are the parents doing with them the other 18 hours? Working because it is impossible to support a family on one income any more. (Yes, I'm a feminist and worked when my son was young but I was a professional and took off one afternoon a week to volunteer in his school. I had flexability because I didn't need the money and could pay for excellent child care. Most people can't.)

I heard, after colunbine, that killings by young people were actually down that year.

The advent of the 24 7 news cycle makes it look like things are more violent (just like it looked like there were more shark attacks in the summer of 2000 when in fact there were fewer.)

[greekspeak]

20. Easier if we say, "can we go back to the days when whitey ruled the roost"

These people that want to turn back the hands of time and retrogress into some sort of "Wally-n-the-beav," Ozzie and Harriet, Donna Reed heaven on earth hate having to keep reign their prejudices. Pure and simple. Yeah, they were the pretty OK days--if you weren't black, hispanic, asian, gay, liberal, Catholic, etc, etc. Going back to "the good old days" is code for "lets reinaugurate WASP control via the government."