Major cover-up going on? Something very wrong happening......

[janekat]

This was on the main page of a computer site which has NOTHING to do with politics. Just thought it was interesting that this is now spreading to non-political sites...

E-Voting Machines and Fuzzy Math
There is something very wrong happening in the United States concerning a matter of vital national importance.

Diebold, maker of electronic voting machines and the software that runs them, has issued numerous DMCA "take down" notices to ISPs in a vain attempt to hide from the public several leaked internal memos.

-snip-

Diebold is sending these "take down" notices to sites hosting the memos, web sites linking to the memos on other sites and even web sites that merely link to other web sites which link to other web sites hosting the memos (say that five times fast!). If this obscene abuse of the DMCA goes much further, Diebold may try to take down my site just for mentioning the existence of the memos.

Having read some of these infamous memos myself, I can see why Diebold wants to hide them. The memos discuss all manner of unethical, questionable and possibly illegal activity. They raise serious questions about the accuracy and integrity of the voting results as counted by Diebold machines.

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[La_Serpiente]

3. Hmmm...

ok.

[La_Serpiente]

2. yes it is true

However, there is one site they couldn't take down. I forgot the name, but I think it is run by IndyMedia and the ISP is a prominent organization for technological justice I am assuming. They are fighting it in court.

However, although they could get it off the web, the memos have already been leaked AND there are probably 500000 people out there who have them on their personal computer or CD's. The evidence is out.

All I gotta say is that whoever leaked them sure has some balls. Seriously.

[janekat]

4. No need to be insulting - my point is this was on the main page of

a very popular computer web site that has NOTHING to do with politics. It's really catching on...

[La_Serpiente]

5. Yeah

this is really a serious issue. They really want to quash the opposistion. I am suprised Congressman haven't picked up on this story.

[janekat]

6. Who was talking about this on Fox?

Do you know?

[Bushfire]

11. Tony Snow

thread here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=587584

[jumptheshadow]

7. In an unrelated yet related topic

The NY Times had a story this week on the security issues that the horseracing industry has faced with computerized betting. Last year, there was a scandal that involved a senior computer programmer and his fraternity brothers cashing in on some doctored tickets. Perhaps we should discern a warning in this situation?

~ snip ~

At the turn of the 21st century, however, the thoroughbred racing industry has learned it takes more than tight-lipped discretion to prevent betting coups in an era of evolving technology. This was driven home last October when the season-ending championships, the Breeders' Cup, was eclipsed by the investigation and subsequent guilty pleas of three former fraternity brothers who had rigged a more than $3 million pick-six payoff by manipulating the computer system of the company that processed the bet, Autotote.

~ snip ~

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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/22/sports/othersports/22RACI.html

[janekat]

8. This involves LOTS of money - gambling and probably organized crime....

The voting machine problems might just be one piece of the puzzle.

[jumptheshadow]

9. The racing problems illustrate something

And that is how one clever programmer can manipulate the results of an election while the not-so-computer-literate miss the chicanery.

Even if we have commissions monitoring computerized voting, if those watchdog boards consist of people who don't have a rocket scientest's knowledge of "x's" and "o's," then will we really know if there has been corruption?

[Jose Diablo]

21. Yes indeed

Organized crime is within our government.

[bpilgrim]

10. gotta link?

thanks :hi:

peace

[janekat]

13. Almost afraid to post it....

http://www.spywareinfo.com/newsletter/archives/1003/21.php

[0007]

17. Thank you for the link

I just had a weird experience. Would you ck. you in-box.

[FDRrocks]

12. Good on them.

This is not a political issue at all, I think it has more to do with preserving our ever more fragile democracy. Actually, in its facets I guess it is a bit political, as it seems to work largely in favor of Republicans (Mr. Hagel, I'm talking to you... you too, Arnie).

This issue should be pursued with haste by the large press, if it isn't, it proves once more they are corporate mouthpieces waiting for the day fascism becomes truely incorporated in this country.

[juajen]

14. I think more people should sue them

The more that sue, the more publicity it will get. Is Bev thinking about suing? I hope so. This is soooo not our country!

[DrBB]

15. A LOT of computer professionals are talking about it now

My wife is an officer of a major computer science professional organization--Avi Rubin who wrote the Diebold report is one of her fellow board members--and a LOT of people in the Slashdot/Wired/USENIX realm and other professional computing circles are talking about this. When I first started bringing it up at parties last summer, I had to tell people a lot of the details--the system being based on Access, the tripartite record system, etc.--but now that's common currency. I'm starting to see in personal email blasts these friends and acquaintances send out stuff that we first were discovering here back last winter. And of course there have been professional conferences dedicated to it--notably the USENIX security conference last June.

So this doesn't surprise me. Computer pros tend to be skeptical, independent libertarians, and this not only fits the broadly cynical outlook toward politics but also appeals to their delight in harshing ludicrously bad corporate code. It has an increasingly strong foothold in that community.

[NoMoreRedInk]

16. Which website?***

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[JNelson6563]

18. Article on this in the new Mother Jones

I just got it today and haven't had a chance to read it but the accompanying picture is of a Diebold machine. Seems word is getting around.

Julie

[0007]

19. Janekat ck. your in-box

[janekat]

20. now check yours

n/t