Lieberman Co-Chair TRASHES Wes Clark!

[TakebackAmerica]

I hate that stupid Liarman
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=703&e=7&u=/ap/20031025/ap_on_el_pr/clark_iraq

[trumad]

1. Snarf

They've got a pic of Kerry in the story... Dumb asses!

[TakebackAmerica]

3. Lol!

Good call. I missed that.

[JNelson6563]

18. I noticed and was looking for

mention of Kerry in there. Wow. Real pros. Not.

Julie

[Neecy]

2. He's desperate

So far, his whole campaign seems to be an effort to trash his fellow Democrats to the point where they're going to be hurt in the general election (does anyone doubt that the "Dean Depression" line won't be used by the GOP should Dean win the nomination?).

He nauseates me more daily.

[Prodemsouth]

5. One thing unties us Clarkies and Deanies

total disgust with Lieberman, next to our disgust with the Monkey

[TakebackAmerica]

8. Right on!

:toast:

[Rowdyboy]

21. Lieberman has worked hard to earn

the contempt he receives. What a worthless POS.

[IndianaGreen]

24. I think we can all agree that Lieberman is the least popular candidate

However, that does not disminish the allegation made by Katrina Swett that Clark supported the Iraq War Resolution. I would like to hear Clark directly dispute her account rather than accept at face value his campaign's denials.

[Rowdyboy]

25. I, too, look forward to an answer...

I'm heavily leaning, but I remain openminded.

[Pastiche423]

26. I, too, would like to hear clark dispute her account

if there is disputing to do.

He has said both, that he would have voted for it and he would not vote for it. Thus, I do not find her account that far fetched.

[IranianDemocrat]

29. And thus spake Pastiche...

BUHM BUHM BUHM! (trumpets go off in the background)

So you don't like Clark Pastiche, we get it.

[IranianDemocrat]

19. Very True.

.

[LittleApple81]

4. How do we get Lieberman out of the group of candidates? do we have

to wait until the primaries even when we don't have primaries in our states?
This is frustrating.

[IndianaGreen]

30. Sorry, you will have to wait until at least the Arizona primary

there are a bunch of states holding primaries around the first part of February, a week after New Hampshire. I believe that Edwards and Lieberman are banking on doing well then. Clark is also hoping to do well in Arizona, but unlike Lieberman and Edwards, Clark has a good excuse in that he started kinda late and hasn't had a chance to organize appropriately in places like Iowa.

More info:

February 3: AZ, DE, MO, OK and SC pres. primaries; NM Democratic caucus; ND caucus; VA GOP caucus.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/

[La_Serpiente]

6. ROARRRRRRRRR

Screw Liberman. He is just a divisive figure.

[NoMoreRedInk]

7. SCREW HIM!****

nm

[dkf]

9. C'mon Swett has a point.

This is my problem w/Wes Clark. The man is too smart to have been "misled".

Ironically, I give him more credit than the Clarkies do for knowing exactly what was going on.

I just don't know what his motivations were in advising support for the IWR which has always been my problem with him.

[TakebackAmerica]

10. So you believe her?

You believe a Lieberman supporter who is trying to under ine Clark.

With that great logic you should believe everything the GOP says about Dean.

Jeez!

[dkf]

12. Look at her quotes. Doesn't that sound like Clark?

Swett said Friday that Clark was "extremely intelligent and well-spoken" on the resolution when discussing it with her.

"At that time, frankly, he spoke with great knowledge about Iraq and the upcoming vote," she said. "My impression is that he knew more about it than most of us."

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The man is smart and I assume he researches his positions. Do you really think he would be advising a candidate on how to vote if he didn't know anything about it?

Why do you think Clark is clueless? That is what I want to know.

edit: grammar

[TakebackAmerica]

14. HAH!

She's trying to undermine Clark. I don't believe her.

[dkf]

17. I guess the question is if you believe Clark

why would he give her advice on how to vote if he didn't even know what was in the resolution?

If you were a retired supreme allied commander of NATO and someone asked you for your expert advice on a resolution to go to WAR, would you tell her how to vote if you didn't even know what was in the resolution?

[Isere]

16. So do you think she just made it up?

Did she just invent the entire story? I don't know her, but I would doubt that someone would just make up shit. Spin it, maybe, but not make it up.
If Clark discussed Iraq with her, he probably did with others and there will probably be others to come forward with similar stories.

I'm not one who is insisting on total "purity" on the war, so I don't particularly care if Clark changed his mind. Or Kerry.

But to dismiss the statement just because it comes from Lieberman's campaign is foolish. What if a Kucinich supporter said it? Or someone from any other campaign?

I think Clark has a problem.

[Donna Zen]

11. Asleep at the wheel

The DNC--read: McAuliffe--needs to get a handle on this slow train wreck. This entire charade is doing damage, wasting scant resources, and leading to a loss.

I suggest we write to the DNC, and demand a reason for their complete inability to gasp the import of wtf is going on. And yes, Lieberman needs to go and spend some time with his family.

http://www.democrats.org/

[jumptheshadow]

13. Did anybody catch the Village Voice piece criticizing Lieberman?

Writer Richard Perlstein believes he's a Democratic spoiler.

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0343/perlstein.php

~ snip ~

Joseph Lieberman adds nothing to the Democrats' chances in 2004. He does, however, take things away. In fighting to the finish and losing the nomination, he will have irreparably weakened the winner. If he wins it, he will suck out something precious: the active enthusiasm of the unwealthy that is a center-left party's only natural advantage against a party of money, the Republicans.

How many Democrats will be willing to work their hearts out for the guy single-handedly responsible, in his kid-glove non-investigation as chair of the Senate Investigations Subcommittee, for the Bush administration emerging from the Enron scandal scot-free? How many, for the man whose most enduring work in the Senate was preserving the favorite accounting dodge, the non-expensing of stock options, of disgraced high-tech companies like Enron and Worldcom?

~ snip ~

[TakebackAmerica]

15. Yep.

Good article.
Thanks for posting it.

[JNelson6563]

20. As I Deanie

I have to say I find this questionable. I'd like to hear Clark's reply on whether or not he advised her on the matter. Until then I consider the source--a very desperate campaign.

Julie

[w13rd0]

22. I second...

...your motion...

[SahaleArm]

23. Lieberman gets new endorsement...

from Jeb Bush on Hardball last night.

[andym]

27. Both Clark and Swett are telling a consistent story

Read this from 10/9/02:

http://www4.fosters.com/election_2002/oct/09/us_2cong_1009a.asp

My take: he supports this kind of resolution, but not necessarily the specific resolution that was actually voted on, only after debate to decide how to proceed. Which seems consistent with the idea that he wanted debate to result in a resolution that pressured Saddam Hussein, but would require further permission (congress or UN) before going forward.

This article is clearly ammunition for all sides of the argument however.


Some excerpts:

MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) — Retired U.S. Army Gen. Wesley Clark said Wednesday he
supports a congressional resolution that would give President Bush authority to
use military force against Iraq, although he has reservations about the
country’s move toward war.
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He said if she were in Congress this week, he would advise her to vote for the
resolution, but only after vigorous debate.
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The general said he had no doubt Iraq posed a threat, but questioned whether it
was immediate and said the debate about a response has been conducted backward.

"Normally in a debate, you start with a problem and consider possible solutions.
Instead, the president has presented us with a solution before the problem has
been fully articulated," he said.
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[mot78]

28. Clark was not a fully anti-war until towards the war began

Clark has said that his position was more akin to Graham's about a war distracting us from Bin Laden, and viewed the war as "elective surgery". On Hardball he told tweety that he would have supported A resolution that would've included going to the UN, and as this article suggested, he was pretty optimistic about getting a resolution that wouldn't fulfill *'s wanton thirst for war. There's another thread related to Swett, and it has an article from summer '02 on Clark expressing skepticism on the war.