JFK assassination on Ventura NOW

[Submariner]

MSNBC

[Octafish]

1. Wow! Four Octafish!!!!

Bar McClellan (ch. sp.) who recently published his book fingering LBJ and others behind the assassination is on. Caught the last part of the segment, but what I saw, it's a hum-dinger. Jesse is flaming the media for lack of coverage. Says he was "warned off" investigating the assassination when he visited Dealey Plaza as governor of Minnesota. Said the stuff from 40 years ago still matters today!

So, who should give a damn? Well, The drips are getting to be too much for the BFEE to maintain. Keep the pressure up, DU. Your country's future depends on getting the Truth out and these turds behind bars.

[Minstrel Boy]

2. Ventura's blurb is on the cover of one of the best

books on JFK's hit I've ever read: "The Assassinations," an anthology of jaw-dropping fresh research on the murders of JFK, MLK, RFK and Malcolm X. Ventura's quote: "If you can handle the truth, read this book" (http://www.theassassinations.com/).

[DeposeTheBoyKing]

4. JFK Assassination Conference at Duquesne University

I'm attending a forensic science conference on the JFK assassination at Pittsburgh's Duquesne University the weekend of November 20th-23rd. Here's the link if anyone is interested in attending.


<http://www.jfk.duq.edu/>

[Octafish]

5. Ventura did a SERVICE for Democracy today.

The guy did not toe the MSNBC company line. Ventura and McClellan said there's more we need to know that's in LBJ's attorney and doctor files. Holy cat.

Thanks for the heads up on the book, Minstrel Boy! That's the one recently published by the people from PROBE.

BTW: Jesse was wearing a Jimi Hendrix tie-die shirt.

[Minstrel Boy]

8. You'll love the book, Octafish

As much as I thought I knew I was shocked by what I learned. And the material on the under-examined death of RFK is extremely important.

It says something, doesn't it, that it's Posner's "Case Closed" and "Killing the Dream" which are critically acclaimed in the corporate media and deemed Pulitzer-worthy, while works like "Oswald and the CIA" and "The Last Investigation" don't even stay in print.

[cosmicdot]

9. so much of our 'current problem'

would not exist if justice had been served

imho, of course

I want any and all sealed files released. I could care less whose heads roll ... the more the better ... let it bleed, so to speak, to heal.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-&q=Ruth+Paine+and+JFK+and+Oswald+and+Forbes


http://www.namebase.org/main4/Ruth-Paine.html

[sweettater]

3. just for the record

Barr McClellan is Scott Mc Clellan's (bush's press secretary) father. Small world, huh? :eyes:

[Faygo Kid]

6. Was 12 years old

And remember EVERY DETAIL, as all of us do from that era. Three days of searing memories. Can't believe it was 40 years ago. Remember it like yesterday.

[TruthIsAll]

7. Here it is: mathematical proof that the JFK murder was a conspiracy..

This analysis has been previously posted. But for those who have not seen it, here goes....

Take the tinfoil hats off, put your thinking caps on..

This is an analysis to compute the probability of at least 15 witnesses dying UNNATURAL deaths within one year (1963-64) of the JFK assassination. The deaths were a combination of homicides, suicides, accidents and undetermined origin.

Assuming there were 1000 witnesses, the probability that at least 15 would die UNNATURAL deaths in the year following the assassination is: 1 out of 21,230,606,601,227,800.
(or 1 out of 21,230 trillion, 606 billion, 601 million, 227 thousand, 800)

This result is the same order of magnitude of a famous prior, though slightly different, study: An actuary engaged by the London Times in 1963 computed the probability that 18 material witnesses would die (of any cause) within 3 years of the assassination as:
1 out of one hundred thousand trillion.

For the mystery deaths, I used this table:

http://www.noage.com/jfknetwork/death.htm

For the odds of death in each category, I used this table of 1999 mortality data:

http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm

From the 1999 data:
........................1 year...Lifetime
Probability of:
suicide.................0.000107 0.008197
homicide................0.000062 0.004739
accidental death........0.000359 0.027778
undetermined death......0.000014 0.001101

Therefore, the probability of an unnatural death is the sum of the probabilties of the four categories:
........................0.000542 0.041815

The Poisson Distribution
Although the Normal (Gaussian) probability distribution is by far the most important, there is another which has proven to be particularly useful - the Poisson Distribution, which is derived from, and is a special case of the Normal Distribution.

The Poisson Distribution applies when the probability "P" for success in any one trial is very small, but the number of trials N is so large that the expected number of successes, pN, is a moderate sized quantity. The formula is: P(m) =a**m*exp(-a)/m!

In words, the Probability of EXACTLY m successes = a to the m'th power times the exponential function of (-a), all divided by m factorial.

If m= 15, m factorial = m! = 15*14*13*12*11*10*9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1

Now lets use Poisson to determine the probability of a given number of witnesses meeting unnatural deaths within a year of the JFK assassination.
The only assumption we are making here is the number of witnesses.
Assume N= total witnesses = 1000

Let p= Probability of any individual dying from UNNATURAL causes within a given year = 0.000542
Let a= Expected Number of deaths = pN= 0.542
Let m= Actual Number of UNNATURAL deaths = 15

The probability of exactly m=15 UNNATURAL deaths within a given year out of a predefined group of N = 1000 witnesses is:

P(m) =a**m*exp(-a)/m! or p(15)= 0.542**15*exp(-.542)/15!

Here are the probabilities for m=1 through m=15 deaths.
Note:
Prob(X=m) = probability of EXACTLY m DEATHS
Prob(X>=m) = probability of at AT LEAST m DEATHS (the one we want)

m.......Prob(X=m)........Prob(X>=m)
1 3.15E-01 4.18E-01
Thus, for 1 or more deaths, Prob (X>=1)= 0.418

2 8.54E-02 1.03E-01
3 1.54E-02 1.78E-02
4 2.09E-03 2.34E-03
5 2.27E-04 2.49E-04
6 2.05E-05 2.22E-05
7 1.59E-06 1.70E-06
8 1.07E-07 1.14E-07
9 6.47E-09 6.84E-09
10 3.51E-10 3.69E-10
11 1.73E-11 1.81E-11
12 7.80E-13 8.14E-13
13 3.25E-14 3.38E-14
14 1.26E-15 1.31E-15
15 4.55E-17 4.71E-17

For 15 or more deaths,
Prob (X>=15) = 0.000000000000000047101810079330
or 1 out of 21,230,606,601,227,800

Now here is the kicker: 15 UNTIMELY WITNESS DEATHS OCCURRED TWICE - IN 1964 AND 1977. THESE JUST HAPPEN TO BE THE YEARS THAT THE WARREN COMMISSION (1964) AND THE HOUSE SELECT COMMITTEE ON ASSASSINATIONS INVESTIGATIONS (1977) TOOK PLACE. OF COURSE, NOT ALL THE WITNESSES COULD TESTIFY. WE KNOW WHY. THE PROBABILITY OF THESE EVENTS HAPPENNING TWICE CAN BE DETERMINED BY MULTIPLYING THE PROBABILITIES:

1 OUT OF 21,230 TRILLION * 21,230 TRILLION.........

What is a trillion times a trillion?

Anyone here who would now call these deaths mere coincidences?

[Minstrel Boy]

10. There was a wave of deaths

around the time of Garrison's investigation as well.

Interesting, too, the kind of people who were dying.

Initially, it was largely unfortunate witnesses like Gary Underhill and Rose Cheramie. Around the time of Garrison's investigation, it included low-level operatives like David Ferrie and Eladio del Valle. By the time of the House Select Committee, it was another, deeper level of conspirators who were turning up dead, like George de Mohrenschildt and John Rosselli.

[TruthIsAll]

11. Exactly. Good to see someone post who has read up on the JFK conspiracy..

BTW, there were probably even MORE deaths than those referred to...

[LuCifer]

12. You mean myself and Bill Hicks are not the ONLY people who still care...

...about JFK! You mean I am not alone!!!!!

I caught a bit of that, and man, Jesse, you ROCK! I got caught up in the CSPAN repeat of todays VERY AWESOME rally. Any of you who were there, ROCK ON. ESPECIALLY those of you who were in the military/have family in the military. My appologies that this group of ASSHOLES in the White House don't feel the same way. Jerks.

Lu Cifer, hey, anyone remember the Yale bombing that happened about a year ago? What a LIBERAL MEDIA huh???????

PS Edit time kids! And to think, BILL HICKS IS DEAD! Oh do I feel SO alone!