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[patdem]

1. Yes, I was just now thinking about the logic of the 'freepers'

Item 1. bush* inherited a flailing economy
Item 2. 9/11 happened
Item 3. freepers are now saying bush* NEVER said Sadaam was an immenent threat.
Item 4. if sadaam not an immenent threat this war was VOLUNTARY while the economy is flailaing!!

If the above is correct we are spending 150 billion ...the 70 billion first issued and now another 87 billion (plus how many more billions?) for a VOLUNTARY war when bush* KNEW the economy was bad AND sadaam was not an IMMENENT threat???

Freepers never talk about the economy and the war expenditures in the same conversation...because it PROVES bush* is the WORST pResident EVER!!

[7th_Sephiroth]

2. impeach the whole lot of them

stick em in a prison full of black muslims, i'd pay the pay-per-view price for that

[Arianrhod]

3. The moneyed class

is still trying to give the impression that we have free elections, that everything is still up in the air until the voters have their say. This is delusion on our part, propaganda on theirs.

[killbotfactory]

4. Straight from Rove's playbook: Bush's election strategy

1. Demagogue the gay marraige issue
2. ?????
3. Victory!

[andym]

6. Number one anti-dem strategy

They'll paint the democratic nominee first as untrustworthy and
second as out of touch with middle-class values:

Untrustworthy:
Dean= hothead (each angry self-defense will be used to convict him of being a hothead)
Clark= novice/fired/Shelton/flip-flops
Kerry/Gephardt= long time politicians with "contradictory" voting records
Edwards = Trial lawyer (just imagine the ads as a look-alike chases
an ambulance near the white house)

200 million dollars to "Gore" them.

[wtmusic]

5. Dude, what do you expect?

Do you expect Republicans to ignore a reelection strategy? Yeah, the whore media sucks, but there are all kinds of promising signs, like the FCC rollback and the TREND of the polls.

I choose to take the more optimistic view that America has already stooped to its lowest point for the foreseeable future.

[Arianrhod]

11. Why? n/t

[GOPBasher]

7. I agree, Pete, and *'s only "re-election strategy" is

the one that goes through DIEBOLD. Only cheating can help him now.

[andym]

8. Who needs BBV, that's possibly a backup strategy

Wait til we see the smear campaign against the nominee,
he won't need Diebold unless some of the scandals come
home to roost.

[Selwynn]

9. Frankly, I'm still worried about a Bush win :(

And yes, that is unbelievably sad and embarrassing. I'm not worried about a Bush win because I think our candidates our bad - this isn't a bash on the candidates. I'm worried about a Bush win because I thought that it was absolutely ridiculous and unbelievable that Bush won last time.

Yes, I know he was "selected." What I mean is, I thought it was embarrassing and ridiculous that it was even close. Bush was the biggest mistake of a candidate to ever step to the public spotlight. The fact that he won the nomination and then entertained such a large following taught me that the American public is firmly pacified and under the extreme influence of the profit&power elites, and that real democracy is basically a joke in this country. The ability to manipulate the opinion and allegiance of the public is so complete that its difficult for me to see the end of it ever coming to pass.

That doesn't mean an upset election isn't possible. It only means its ten times LESS likely. We're not fighting a fair fight to win. We're fighting to win an election in a system that is totally rigged in favor of the agenda of Empire, greed and exploitation. When Bush "won" in 2000 and in the years that have followed I have watched the American public blindly follow. And I've come to understand just how fascist this society has really become. Freedoms are regulated, media isn't free, information is withheld, dissent is crushed, detained or discredited, and the people are indoctrinated and manipulated into passivity and disinterest.

That's why I fear that if the American people are told to elect Bush again, and told well enough, and enough money is spent on tricks, manipulation and "crowd control" it won't matter if Bush suffers every scandal known to mankind, he'll still win.

This is my fear.

Edit - more should have been "less"

[GOPBasher]

10. "We're not fighting a fair fight."

You're absolutely right. They have all the money and all the media; the Right Wing Propaganda Machine is manipulating people across American to vote against their own self-interests. However, I still think we will beat him, despite those odds. The only concern of mine is the voting itself: If it's fair, we'll win; if they use DIEBOLD to rig the voting, of course they'll "win."

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[Arianrhod]

14. The chimpanzee dominance hierarchy

always prevails, because it's the path of least resistance. To go against the flow of our biology requires thinking, courage and strength of will--and it's much easier to simply go shopping, as the "President" conveniently advises us to do.

[jumptheshadow]

12. I don't understand it myself

Do Americans not read much of anything unless it's on the hairdresser's newsracks?

Did the Clinton era create so many prosperous people that they're totally oblivious to anything except their comfortable cocoons?

I hope the tide is turning.