Clark v Bush. Debate between a general and a deserter

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from bartcop



Quotes

"I am really looking forward to a debate between a general and a deserter. Plus, I really want to hear President Bush have to say, "Yes, General, No, General."
--Michael Moore, Attribution


Broken record time:
General Clark, if you get the nomination, please don't agree to debate rules where the FOX News moderator can save the deserter every time he gets in trouble. I suggest:

No audience
No moderator
No limits on any goddamn thing
None of this "ten seconds to reply" bullshit.

This isn't some Harvard debating class - this is the future of our country.
Demand a man-to-man debate without limits or safety nets or reinforcements for the pinhead
Turn the cameras on, introduce them and everything/everyone else get the hell out of the way.


If Bush can't hold his own in a debate, then let the country find out.


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bartcop knows how to say what needs to be said.

bartcop says what the chickens in US Congress are too damn afraid
to tell Americans that Bush is a complete asshole AWOL deserter
election thief, war profiteer administration, Treasonous 'outing'
of CIA agent, liar, liar to start a longer ago PNAC war for oil.

[acmavm]

1. I think that this debate would be absolutely wonderful. Not to

mention absolutely hilarious. Can you see Shrub discussing war strategy? Hell, can you just imagine that cluck trying to say strategy?

[WillyBrandt]

2. strategery

get it down. strategery.

[pinkpops]

3. are you sure Bush

will agree to debate? It doesn't seem like him. He is so important and all.

[wyldwolf]

4. He tried to duck the debates for Gore...

...no reason why some terra emergenersy won't prevent him from participatering.

[pinkpops]

6. He is

awful busy, being the president an all.

[boxster]

19. Ok, that one made me laugh out loud at my desk.

Stop that!

Hehe.

[dkf]

5. I'm beginning to think that by the time the election rolls around

Iraq will be such a mess that we won't need a General to fix it up. Instead people will just want outta there.

Would that hurt Clark's chances and help Dean's?

[IranianDemocrat]

8. Oh yah definitely.

Considereing the fact that Dean has such enormous foreign policy experience.

:eyes:

[dkf]

9. Would Clark as a military man be less willing to pull out?

How did Clark feel about the Vietnam war? Was he upset that we pulled out? Did he think that the reason we failed was because of lack of support from the American populace?

[FrenchieCat]

12. Defeat is in the eye of the beholder....

Clark is not a stiff uncompromising type. He has previously readily admitted to his mistakes. He understands that the world understands that the Iraq policy is not his own, nor is it the true policy of the American People.

Clark is not allowing his views of his Iraq war resolution to be subjected to the Win/Lose options as the only choices. Clark has already said that he would cede political and economic decision to the U.N. However, he believes that based on the harm caused by this unelected war, we must stay, at least long enough, to stabilize the the country's security at this point....We broke it...we can't now leave it broken.

Clark exit strategy reads in layman's term: let's make this manageable and then blow.

The worst thing that we could do at this point is to leave fertile grounds for a civil war! Now that would be a disaster! One that can be prevented.

Note that, if the Iraqis are able to acertain that we are not there to take over the oil, nor to appoint their officials nor to write their constitution, nor to profit off the war we started, Clark believes that the attacks may lessen and that we would be able to enjoy better cooperation from the Iraqis people as well as neighboring Middle Eastern states.....additionally, it is a wise belief that various countries would donate more money and even troups via the U.N. if they felt that they had a serious role in making sure that the Iraq saga concludes as well as can be expected, under the circumstances.

[diamondsoul]

15. Um no because they're essentially the same.

Clark has an advantage over Dean by virtue of actual service. Dean just...well he commits to something he never has and never will have to do.

[_NorCal_D_]

7. A debate

like that between Clark and Bush would be a dream come true!

Clark would tear him a new one!
B-)

[Voltaire99]

10. I'm sorry to see some Dems recklessly embracing militarism

Pushing this "general versus deserter" theme is pretty risky, actually, as it can play right into the wrong hands - those of our hegemons, for one, but also those who are willfully trying to transform civil society into a martial order.

Military valor is nothing we need to push during this low, dishonest imperial hour. We should be finding a way to put the military back in Pandora's Box where it belongs.

Yes, point out that Bush deserted. But only use this point to undermine his willingness to sacrifice others. Let's not get carried away with militarism and, in the case of Clark, let's not ignore his black record of bombing civilians.

[wyldwolf]

11. It isn't "reckless."

I think REAL Military valor should be pointed out during this low, dishonest imperial hour.

[FrenchieCat]

14. He-llo!!!! There's like 3 wars going on???? but let's ignore that and

run a small state governor as our candidate? On that will have to make nice with the Pentagon, to prove his worthyness on foreign policies and matters. Yes, let's think of electing someone who's rallying cry is that the war was wrong.

Militarism thinking is what is needed to get us out of our mess. And no matter what, 9/11 is still an issue. Wait till the Repugs drag out the "3rd Anniversary" of 9/11....a couple of months before the elections in 2004. You can be blinded to believe that War, the reputation in the world and terror is a Past issue......but the only ones that won't see are the ones with their blindfolds on.

[zubeneshamali]

13. But those are the kinds of antics that hurt Gore in the debates

Or are you saying that without any rules he might have looked better? The problem with no rules is that two can play at that game. When a debator strays outside the agreed upon parameters of the debate it makes them look like they are either (1) dishonest, (2) incompetent, or (3) a bully.

I honestly belive that if Gore would have kept his cool instead of getting emotional he would have come out with more electoral votes. Let's hope that history doesn't repeat itself in the 2004 debates.

:dem:

[Vis Numar]

16. yea yea yea

See Cleland for the finish to this story...

[Vis Numar]

17. Better

Why don't we call this the "McBride" meme?

[Flying_Pig]

18. I think Bush would be so mortally terrified at having to debate Clark,

that he would either start another major war to avoid a debate ("Sorry, no debate. The president is busy running the war".), or perhaps arrange "something", so Clark was taken out of the picture, or, cancel the elections all together (say, if there was a "staged" terrorist act somewhere in the country), by putting the country under Marshall law.

In any case, I just don't see Bush EVER debating Clark. I mean, can you just see Clark go after him if he really wanted to, bringing up Commander Bunnypants' service record. I don't think so!

:evilgrin:

[boxster]

20. Can't we just hold the debate in a bar and have pretzel bowls...

...for the candidates?

Please?

:evilgrin:

Pardon me, I'll be right back. There's an FBI agent at my door. :tinfoilhat:

[poskonig]

21. If he loses the nomination, Clark'll still get to smack around Cheney.

Though the way things look right now, Clark would probably try to kill him with kindness and warm fuzzies.

[boxster]

22. I disagree, at least on the 'kill him with kindness' thought...

I think the gloves come off for the general election.

Hmm, "general" election.

Sorry, I digress...

If Clark wins the nomination, I have no doubt that he'll verbally assault the current administration. I think he's holding off on the other candidates a) because he's in the top 3 nationally, and b) because he knows that we need to be a united front against Bush and is trying to maintain that. Whether he'll be able to continue to do so for the next couple of months remains to be seen.

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