The Dem debate thread (Fox News)

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[Sean Reynolds]

1. Lets get it ON!

I wonder if they'll all gang up on Dean tonight?

[robsul82]

2. Time to rumble...

...Dean IS the frontrunner still, so of course the others will go after him. Duh. lol

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RJS

[jumptheshadow]

8. Four out of nine candidates are Catholic.

One is Jewish.

Interesting.

[robsul82]

10. And there's a ton of divorcees...

...also interesting.

First question Dean, on "what would you say to families saying you don't support the troops?" Ugh.

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RJS

[Lefty48197]

76. OK, the Catholics, the Jew, and the right handers will lose

who does that leave?

[Renew Deal]

3. Let's do this.

I am so ready for this. Fox moderators :( :kick:

[Jackhammer Jesus]

4. Hey, where's LaRouche?!

Just kidding. I'm sure he'll have some "representatives" in the audience, though, once again.

:eyes:

[La_Serpiente]

5. Amen to Al

GO AL SHARPTON

[Renew Deal]

6. These guys got new suits with their money.

[jenk]

14. Kerry's hair is darker

[IndianaGreen]

142. and less "French"

:eyes:

[robsul82]

7. Um...

What's a Congregationalist?

I'd say the applause was practically even, but I THINK I heard the most for Edwards, actually.

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RJS

[janekat]

149. Type of Protestant - Dean is a Congregationalist

n/t

[La_Serpiente]

9. Is she chewing gum?

[unfrigginreal]

11. Is this the Spin Room?

If so let me just say...my guy won the debate. :D

[La_Serpiente]

12. Is he trying to shove words into Dean's mouth?

But perhaps he should've had a better response to the question.

[robsul82]

17. A little stuttering...

...but definitely good at the end, big applause.

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[jumptheshadow]

13. Go Howard

All of us support our troops a great deal more than Pres Bush does.

[Renew Deal]

He slammed Bush hard.

[Jackhammer Jesus]

15. Nice comeback from Dean to Slimebag Carl

in regard to "not supporting the troops" in Iraq.

[Renew Deal]

16. Kerry dyed his hair darker.

[DemNoir]

20. Yeah

Whats with kerry he looks 10 years younger!

[Loyal]

18. GO KERRY!

:)

[jumptheshadow]

19. Kerry: Bush has broken every promise regarding the war

Kerry looks forceful tonight. Both he and Dean have attacked Bush.

[robsul82]

21. Hahahaha....

"Bush roulette," go big Al!

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[Cush]

22. Shaprton: Bush Roullette

[Renew Deal]

24. Sharpton Rules

[MissB]

23. Al started kinda lame but "Bush Roulette"

Instead of Russian Roulette with the soldiers' lives. Yeah. Good one.

[jumptheshadow]

25. Al: It's Bush roulette!

No real exit strategy. That's the way, guys. Attack the real opponent.

[robsul82]

26. Good LORD...

...Sharpton just whoops everyone in these things.

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[pruner]

32. Sharpton's "plan" to bring the troops home right now ignores reality

just like Kucinich's "plan" does.

[Terwilliger]

39. could you elaborate?

Kucinich's plan is sound, so you must be in error

[MissB]

27. Serious hostility towards Clark from the moderator. eom

[Lefty48197]

28. Huel Perkins is cool

nt

[jenk]

29. Sharpton is sharp tonight!

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[robsul82]

30. Think this local anchor...

...is a Republican? UGH.

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[MissB]

31. clark : there was no imminent threat. eom.

[robsul82]

34. Clark looks a wee shaky...

...but overall very good. Go get 'em!

Moderators gets to Clark saying positive things before the war, let's see how he reacts...

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[Loyal]

33. Clark's dodging

*yawn*

[jenk]

35. I thought he finished strong though

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[Name removed]

37. Deleted message

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[Loyal]

44. I'm not lying

Oops, I FORGOT THAT I CAN'T ATTACK CLARK! lol

[Renew Deal]

59. I asked how you figured.

And asked you to keep it honest.

[robsul82]

36. Yowch!

Main moderator intros question to Gep with, "Going on to someone actually HAS taken a position on the $87B..." Damn!

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[ryharrin]

38. Clark seems to be spinning and not answering the questions.

He completely ignored those statements that the moderator pointed out. It might not have been a very fair question, but I didn't like his answer.

[MissB]

40. Clark: I support them when they do something right, and condemn

them when they do wrong.

Great answer to an annoying question, which was basically: why are you waffling, General Clark?

Well done.

[Alex146]

47. He totally avoided the question!

I wanted an answer.

Alex

[MissB]

64. His last statement was enough of an answer to Faux's questions

The format doesn't allow for much in the way of long explanations. He waded through the question, but his last statement will make a good sound bite.

I don't plan on voting for Clark, but I was impressed with the way he wrapped it up. Most people would have gotten lost in the explanation and would have only picked up the last statement.

[Loyal]

41. Gephardt: I'm very sorry about Bush

LOL :P. Is it just me, or does it sound like a parent apologizing for their son's behavior?

[poskonig]

42. Clark looks stronger tonight.

He gave a strong message about opposing the war. He still can't answer yes or no questions concisely, but looks better.

[Renew Deal]

43. Gep stole Clark's line about patriotism and dissent.

[jumptheshadow]

45. Gephardt: Defending vote for $87 billion

Our young men and women are dodging bullets.

Pres Bush has failed us.

Abomination for this administration and president to call people who disagree with them as lacking patriotism. It's highest form of patriotism to say what we believe.

[Loyal]

46. Lieberman respects rivals

Go JOE!

[Loyal]

60. OOOOH

KERRY CALLED LIEBERMAN OUT ON DRAFT DODGING!

THIS IS BIG! GO KERRY!

[Lefty48197]

65. Joe sounds like a Republican

at least he sounds like their ads will sound next October.

[NashVegas]

121. Nah

He sounds more like a twerp. But he's found a great way to control the debate and get more screen-time - attack 3 people with one answer.

[robsul82]

48. Everything Lieberman says, I hear...

..."please open to page 247 of your history textbooks...are you laughing, Mr. Sullivan?!?"

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RJS

[MissB]

49. And Joe goes after Clark

What a surprise.

[Cush]

50. Yawn........

on Joe

[Rose Siding]

51. Joe knifed Clark

very bad form, Joe

[La_Serpiente]

52. Wow

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Liberman takes a shot.

There is so much tension and emotion on stage, it looks like they will be going for blood soon.

[Uzybone]

53. Lieberman on attack

that fucker.

[Renew Deal]

54. Lieberman is a piece of shit.

[poskonig]

55. Here goes Lieberman again.

Attacking Kerry, Edwards, Clark on foreign policy

[jumptheshadow]

56. Lieberman: Attacking other Dems

The first one to focus on swipes at Dems, focusing on Kerry and Edwards for "inconsistent" votes on Iraq war.

[Alex146]

57. Sharpton and Kerry sound nice!

Dean was pretty good. Clark didn't answer the damn question.

[jenk]

58. LIEBERMAN! SHUT UP!!!!! YOUR CAMPAIGN ENDS NOW!!!!!!

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

61. Lieberman is a troll!

Drop out Joe! Drop out! Drop out! Go away!

[mandyky]

62. Joe, Joe, Joe

OK, I am puzzled - now Lieberman praises Dean, Kucinich, CMB, and Sharpton for being consistent and attacks Kerry and Edwards.

WTF!! LOL

[IndianaGreen]

127. Where are the DU Lieberman apologists?

Joe is a trip, ain't he?

[Cush]

63. Kerry to Joe

'You've never been one of those troops on the line when the plan goes wrong'


ouch

[poskonig]

66. Kerry is ON tonight!

Lieberman is really getting the beatdown! Kerry looks strong!

[Alex146]

70. He needs to stop going over time

it makes him look bad

[Loyal]

67. KERRY CALLED LIEBERMAN OUT!

HE SAID THAT HE HAS MILITARY EXPERIENCE, AND LIEBERMAN DOESN'T. I love watching Kerry beat up on the others.

[Loyal]

71. It seems that

Edwards, Kerry, and Clark have some kind of a truce between them. Maybe that's just what I see.

[robsul82]

68. Hey...

...coming from a dislike of Lieberman, saying Clark's taken six different positions on the war isn't entirely off.

And here's Kerry saying "Did I mention I was a soldier?" Grr. Totally ignoring the time limit.

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[Nashyra]

78. Lieberman is a jerk

[La_Serpiente]

69. I liked Kerry's response to Liberman

Something along the lines "You don't understand what it means to be a soldier" (He didn't say that, but that's what he's implying I am assuming)

[jenk]

72. we need to pull Lieberman off stage now

I have a feeling he's going to be in full Dem attack mode today


bastard

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

79. He needs to be removed from the stage

with one of those vaudeville canes.

[jumptheshadow]

73. Kerry: Bush dumping debt on our children

He's attacking Bush.

Lieberman stands out like a sore thumb.

Give it up, Joe.

[Loyal]

74. It seems that

Edwards, Kerry, and Clark have some kind of a truce between them. Maybe that's just what I see.

[MissB]

75. Why is Joe getting a rebuttal to the rebuttal??? eom

[eleny]

81. He needs to be yanked1 His performance is terrible!

[Renew Deal]

77. Lieberman running puke talking points.

Kerry doesn't support our troops.

[Cush]

80. Patriot Act up now

[robsul82]

82. Onto Edwards for the Patriot Act...

...here we go.

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[Alex146]

85. the fox news freak is cutting him off

[Loyal]

83. Carol: That's just because no one is mad at us

I agree with Carol, we shouldn't have these bullshit endless rebuttals. Everyone should get equal time.

[unfrigginreal]

84. Tell 'em CMB! n/t

[Nashyra]

Can't believe the applause from the audience

on a FAUX news debate. That last question to CMB, why should we have a plan without all the facts, they the WH won't even give the 9-11 commission all the documents.

[Lefty48197]

Tickets were handed out by the Congressional Black Caucus

not Fox.

[jenk]

86. Lieberman is desperate

[Renew Deal]

90. How is he still around?

[Egnever]

87. wow this is quite the debate!

jaw dropper

[robsul82]

88. Edwards is RILED...

...go GET him, John!

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[jumptheshadow]

89. Edwards, yea!

Patriot Act gives too much discretion to an Attorney General who doesn't deserve it.

He wins points for saying that CMB and Kucinich should be asked questions.

Kucinich doesn't look happy.

[Alex146]

91. Kucinich doesn't look happy.

What's new?

[robsul82]

97. Nice line though...

...about "Hell, I knew the war was a fraud anyway!"

And the crowd goes wild!

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[Renew Deal]

98. He looks better a couple seconds in though.

Oh wait, the discust is back.

[Rooktoven]

92. DK thinks JE got 2 turns but thats not true--

Edwards was allowed to respond to Lieberman's attack.

[Alex146]

94. DK starts out well!

[MissB]

93. She may not have a chance, but she is good.

Lots of good points.

[MissB]

95. LMAO!! Dennis go Dennis go!

woo hoo.

[Alex146]

101. holy crap

DK is going after Dean. Dean is bitch slaping him in return.

[robsul82]

That WAS quite a bitchslap...

...and DK looks like a whiny beeyotch like always.

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[jumptheshadow]

96. CMB wins ovation

Our troops don't have basic supplies...

The contracts are going to those who are connected...

Criticizes Bush.

[Jackhammer Jesus]

99. Kucinich giving a great answer to his first question...

getting loads of applause. It was about damn time he got the chance to speak.

[Renew Deal]

100. Kucinich hits Dean for lying.

[Uzybone]

102. also accuses Dean of lying

strong words

[Renew Deal]

105. My error. I editted.

[poskonig]

103. Kucinich started off good, but cluttered his message with bashing

Unfortunate, I think.

[Terwilliger]

106. any details

of any kind?

[MissB]

126. I don't recall the exact phrasing of the question, but

his reply was that he didn't need to be in on any security briefings to know that the war in Iraq was wrong. Big applause.

Then he went into attack mode.

[Cush]

104. More Clark smearing.....

Talking about General Shelton

[robsul82]

111. Going way overtime...

...didn't help at all.

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[roughsatori]

107. This is more like a Faux Interrogation then a debate

The candidates should all WALK off the stage.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

130. That one guy seems to be

the "irrelevant nasty question" point man.

[jumptheshadow]

108. Clark: Shelton's comments were "McCarthyism"

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[Tinoire]

109. Kucinich looking GREAT! Listen to that APPLAUSE!

Bring the troops home!


Yes! And confronting Dean. Go Dennis!

Oh boy, Dean having to back-peddle a little and exposing Clark's support for the war at the same time.

Not bad Dean... An apology for the "oversight" would have been better but I understand this is about the only way Dean could have handled it gracefully. If he withdraws/rephrases the ad, it will go a LONG way towards getting him future support from Kucinich supporters should Dean beat Kucinich.

[Renew Deal]

115. Kucinich was strong there.

Very good..

[Tinoire]

143. Thanks Bleachers

And Clark gave a very good answer here: "I support them when they do something right, and condemn them when they do wrong".

Very artful. He comes across as a very good diplomat which is important.

[Sweetpea]

110. Clark seems to be the most likeable person.

Lieberman is getting desparate.
Clark, Kerry and Edwards do sound alike.

[Alex146]

114. Clark needs to stop talking

[kayleybeth]

139. It's not just Clark

All of them are going over their allotted time. They really aren't giving the candidates enough time to answer.

[La_Serpiente]

112. Great Response Wesley Clark

Good one

[Cush]

113. Gotta love what FOX is doing

Long question, with very, very short answer time :eyes:

[Renew Deal]

116. Good observation.

[Nashyra]

117. Go Wesley

Great response to the jerks question.

[eleny]

122. Some questions deserve a slap for an answer

n/t

[eleny]

118. The questions ask for answers that need to go longer than a minute!

It's the questions that need not be compound. This one to Braun is an example.

[Renew Deal]

120. The best way is to get rid of a few people.

Thet would give them more time.

[Rooktoven]

134. I agree,

and at the risk of offending everyone, we need to hava a debate without DK, Holy Joe, CMB, and Al Sharpton.

(Realistic chances... flame away.)

[IndianaGreen]

123. I agree, the one minute limit is not enough for an answer

some issues cannot be reduced to sound bites, and it is unfair to the candidates.

[jumptheshadow]

119. CMB is running for Sec of State

Or U.N. ambassador. I'm convinced of it. "I'm standing here as somebody who knows her way around the world."

[Renew Deal]

125. I always like her.

[Terwilliger]

128. so, that's not something a presidential contender would say?

because, I believe (can't be certain) she may actually be running for president

[kayleybeth]

124. Clark

The General is doing great so far. He sounds more confident in this debate, IMO. Dennis K. sounds great also. Go Dems!

[Jackhammer Jesus]

129. Cut the religious mumbo-jumbo, Holy Joe...

It ain't helpin'.

[DemCam]

131. Holy Joe...Holy Shite!

bad bad bad

[Renew Deal]

136. When is he going to go away?

[MissB]

132. Oh. My. God. "We are attempting to imagine any of you as President"

Disgusting.

[Cush]

133. Attempting to Imagine any of you in WH?

In other words, Bush rules!

[robsul82]

135. NICE ANSWER...

...you got it, Dean!

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[janekat]

137. Shut up Lieberman! Quit squabbling Dean and Kucinich...

These guys sometimes sound like a bunch of teenage girls. It really makes them look like abunch of idiots. Just started watching it so I don't know if anyone else has been bickering.

[jumptheshadow]

141. Just those three

The others are focusing on BUSH -- a good strategy.

[Cush]

138. Gee, think FOX is biased here?

nice questioning

[Renew Deal]

140. They are nailing all the questions we argue over here.

[AnnabelLee]

144. Locking

Please continue discussion on The Dem Debate Thread #2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=594948

[robsul82]

145. Standing O for Sharpton!

WOW!

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[unfrigginreal]

146. I nominate Sharpton for King!

[jenk]

147. please leave Lieberman

.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

148. that's it I AM READY TO VOTE FOR AL SHARPTON!!!!

[Tinoire]

150. OMG - Sharpton! Applause and standing ovations! You go boy!

Put them on the spot re Israel and Palestine!

That was excellent! Don't let them marginalize this issue as if it doesn't matter! ALL CARDS ON THE TABLE HERE!

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