The Dem debate thread II

[Sean Reynolds]

Thought I'd start a second thread because the first one is getting too long.

Hope I have the power to do so! ;-)

[RuB]

1. Would someone please tell Lieberman to shut up

If I wanted to hear what he thought I'd listen to Carl Cameron. They both think alot alike on alot of issues.

[NashVegas]

3. and Stand Down

..

[Lefty48197]

2. Commanded the Vermont National Guard

ouch!

[roughsatori]

4. Dean gave a great answer, but should have mentioned AWOL *

[Sean Reynolds]

6. It does further the point tho.

The talking heads didn't SAY ANYTHING about Bush not being 'foreign known' on the issues back in 2000. So why is it an issue now?

[jumptheshadow]

7. I don't understand why they don't call Bush on that

It's very relevant, why don't they shout it to the rafters?

[IndianaGreen]

5. At least he didn't bomb anyone

or got his name on a Amnesty International report.

[roughsatori]

8. Thank you AL for mentioning Asscroft for going after Street in Philly

[Catshrink]

13. Battle between the Christian Right and the Right Christians

Awesome!!! You tell 'em Al!!! Al for "Orator-in-Chief!"

[NashVegas]

60. Soundbyte Du Jour

Nice one, Brother Al!

[Cush]

9. Al is kicking Major Ass

we are going to have the BAttle between the Christian Right, and the RIgh Christians

[jumptheshadow]

10. Al calls out Lieberman

Would you meet with the head of the Palestinian Authority?

[roughsatori]

14. Al was INCREDIBLE

[Tinoire]

55. He called them all out I think before zeroing in on Lieberman

who gave such a weak response.

I am so proud of Al! Only he is saying what so many already know- this is going to be a battle between Progressive Jews and Christians and their more fundamentalist counter-parts.

You've had my support from the start Al. It's Kucinich and you and I'd love to see the two pair up later.

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Uzybone]

11. Go Sharpton

this man speaks with fire.


Too bad he cant win. And to all those quibbling about going over time should note that the time limit is way to short.

[Lefty48197]

12. Christian right vs. the right Christians

Good one Al!

[lcordero]

AL RULES:D

[Renew Deal]

15. Sharpton Rules: Battle between Christian right and the right Christian,

[Lydia Leftcoast]

21. And did you see the ovation he got for that statement?

:7

[Township75]

16. Joe is going down in flames!

!

[frank frankly]

17. Al Sharpton--YOU ARE AWESOME

thank you, Al.

Joe, up yours!

[Renew Deal]

20. Sharpton's answer was amazing.

[RuB]

22. Al Sharpton for Sec of State! Sick em Al!!! eom

[RuB]

37. May I amend that? Attorney General. thank you.

[liberalnurse]

144. He sure is fine but he's not

an attorney.......He can fit in elsewhere...:)

[kayleybeth]

18. GO SHARPTON!!!!!!!

He just took a HUGE bite out of Lieberman.

edited to correct spelling of the Reverend's name.

[Rooktoven]

41. As good as Sharpton was,

I hate to admit that Lieberman countered it well. What he said about Arafat is rock solid. Clinton _does_ blame Arafat for killing the peace process.

[robsul82]

19. Standing O for Sharpton!

WOW!

Later.

RJS

[MissB]

23. Kerry was actually funny. LMAO!!! eom

[Uzybone]

24. LOL Kerry

great line about Boykin.

[janekat]

40. LOL! Way to go Kerry!

n/t

[Renew Deal]

25. Kerry running as a comedy show.

[Sean Reynolds]

27. Just attacked Dean.....

[Cush]

26. Lol

Boykin has confused the WH.....lol, Bush thinks the All Mighty is Cheney, Cheney thinks its Haliburton, Ashcroft thinks its him

[frank frankly]

28. Kerry makes a great joke

mostly.

gawd what a terrible delivery.

and now off to attack Dean.

keep on the BFEE, Kerry!!!

[Fixated]

29. ???

What did Sharpton say? I switched to the game for a second.

[jumptheshadow]

30. Kerry on Gen. Boykin

Boykin has confused the WH when he talks about the almighty

Bush feels he's talking about Cheney
Cheney feels he's talking about Halliburton
Asscroft thinks he's talking about him

LOL

[IndianaGreen]

46. It's a Letterman joke!

not bad!

[unfrigginreal]

31. Take a flying leap Kerry

Convieniently forgot about Carter and Clinton

[hippiechick]

51. i sorta wish Dean would beat the crap outta him

but i know if he did it would be the end of his campaign, and endless neener-neenering from the Kerryites.....



:hippie:

[frank frankly]

32. Kerry ended well

a fair hit on Dean's answer

[Renew Deal]

33. "We need to elect a president not a staff."

Kerry about Dean. I think that could be damaging to Dean,

[frank frankly]

39. it was the best opening given what Dean said

up yours, Holy Joe!

[janekat]

53. Was a great line... Kerry is kicking ass tonight

n/t

[kayleybeth]

66. Exactly

Because that's just what shrub said when he was asked about his lack of foreign policy experience during the 2000 campaign.

[MissB]

34. Did anyone get the Kerry quote?

I lost it after Cheney. It went something like :when Boykin starts talking about the almighty, Bush thinks he's talking about Cheney and Cheney thinks he's talking about Haliburton. Lost the rest of it, though. Laughing too hard.

[Cush]

36. Ashcroft thinks its him

[MissB]

45. Thanks

Now that is a sound bite.

[Skwmom]

44. Ashcroft thinks he talking about him. e/o/m

[KC21304]

54. See #30

[mandyky]

I think Kerry messed up his own joke

somehow.

[Sean Reynolds]

It was too long and confusing to follow....

[Name removed]

56. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[roughsatori]

64. I have a 165+ IQ, and an great attention span, he blew the joke

His timing was awful, it was convoluted, I did not follow it either.

[Uzybone]

81. well sorry

guess your IQ doesnt infer on your listening skills. If you didnt get that joke then people must have a hard time communicating with you.

[roughsatori]

119. You are rude and annoying

You insult another DUer and now you insult me. If you think that is how you support Kerry by keeping yourself in denial about his abysmal joke telling ability and blame us for his falling flat you may be the biggest joke of the night. :P

[John_H]

84. I'm dumb as a rock and half drunk and I got it.

[Karmadillo]

88. Whoa! 165!!!! Tell us more!!! And we stupid people always think

smart people can be kind of humorless. Joke's on us, I guess.

[roughsatori]

128. If you could drop you insecurity about your lack of intelligence

and read the thread you will see that I am mentioning that to in defense of another poster who did not get the joke and was insulted by Uzy. Well, dummies always stick together. Did you mock the smart kids when you were in high-school? Or perhaps you still are.

[KC21304]

104. He was interrupted with laughter.

He paused, and started the last part again. If you really didn't get it you can read post # 30.

[Sean Reynolds]

85. Love the personal attack.........

That is the GREAT DU spirit! :eyes:

[roughsatori]

I tried to be on your side but the haters are lining up

:shrug: They are mad at us for not getting the lamely told joke. LOL

[RuB]

58. I got it and no one ever accused me of being fast. lighten up

on Kerry please everybody! The majority don't agree with him but he's one of us. Lieberman on the other hand...

[IndianaGreen]

35. Well, I like this debate a lot better than the last one

No Judy Woodruff to screw it up!

Even Kerry looks loose.

[jumptheshadow]

47. And the audience is better

The folks seem lots more aware and passionate.

[robsul82]

38. Work on the delivery, John...

...then start telling jokes. Funny, though, hehe.

Later.

RJS

[Alex146]

48. That joke had potential

but Kerry killed it.

[unfrigginreal]

65. At least you can tell that Sharpton's are his own...

It's pretty obvious that Hairdo has a joke writer.

[jenk]

42. domestic ussues up next...

.

[Alex146]

43. Sharpton kicked ass!

[robsul82]

52. See the banner hanging overhead...

...it says

Congressional Black Caucus and

FOX NEWS CHANNEL in bold.

Look next time, LOL!

Later.

RJS

[Renew Deal]

49. Our guys ROCK.

They are all good. Not all great yet but I would say that Sharpton, Kerry, Clark, Kucinich are winners.

Dean (because of Kerrys last line), CMB, are neutral.

Lieberman is a loser.

[LWolf]

63. They are all so much better than *.

Debate wise, I think they are all doing pretty well; they are defending themselves well, and definitely going after Bush. And all I can say is...

I could listen to Al Sharpton talk all night.

[CoffeePlease1947]

50. Dean and Lieberman taking the poundings

Lieberman was booed again.

Dean was attacked on his false commercials by Kucinich and by Kerry.


Mike

[poskonig]

57. Dean's commercials were truthful.

If you don't believe me, look at them yourself.

[CoffeePlease1947]

62. They were very misleading, my first thought when I saw it was that he

was being unfair to Kucinich.

Mike

[poskonig]

67. Can you be specific?

You're making this stuff up. Be honest.

[Tinoire]

111. No he's being truthful

especially since Dean was not anti-Iraq-war at the beginning.

If you care at all about potentially getting Kucinich supporters on board for Dean should Dean win the nomination, stop burying your head on this one please.

[Alex146]

59. False?

It must be opposite day!

[CoffeePlease1947]

70. Yes, Kucinich is getting more applause than Dean

Dean had Kerry and Kucinich attack him. What debate are you watching?

Mike

[kayleybeth]

73. Yes false

Because DK is one of Dean's opponents and he was indeed against the war, even before Dean was. The commercial said "my opponents", not "some of my opponents".

[ElsewheresDaughter]

61. Sharpton/Kucinich in 04

sharpton challenge to lieberman about willingness to meet ALL leadrers including Arafat...NICE....lieberman shamed

[Padraig18]

71. Sharpton/Kucinich in 04?

Only if we want to see the 1st 50 state + DC electoral sweep in history... well, maybe DK/AS would take DC, but... :shrug:

[Alex146]

72. They might lose all 50 states!

[Tinoire]

89. Only with Moderate/Swing voters. If you factor an energized Dem Left

they will win hands down because only those two can deliver the all the "forgotten voters" who either never vote or Progressives who stopped voting Dem.

[Padraig18]

95. Those who never vote

Where is there any evidence that they even want to?

[Tinoire]

130. Out in the streets Padraig

They just don't want to vote for the same "same ole, same ole".

I've registered a ton of them who are only interested in voting for Kucinich because he's the only candidate I can talk up as a real Progressive who wants to bring real change.

Waxing nostalgic about Centrist candidates who want to bring back the Clinton years isn't doing it because the Clinton years weren't that great for them.

The Greens have been instrumental in helping us energize these long disenfranchised voters. If I didn't think Kucinich could do it, I would not be wasting my time. I really believe he can.

[Tinoire]

76. Lol- not just Lieberman but all the Dems who have the nerve

tosupport the Likud's campaign of demonizing Arafat and the Palestinians. Sharpton shamed them ALL except Kucinich with that statement!

I'm with you (well in a different order) Kucinich/Sharpton 04!

[JohnKleeb]

96. unelectable

;)
I am not sure who I would have as my ideal VP for Kucinich.

[Lefty48197]

68. Energy, Pensions, Minimum Wage

thanks for bringing up those important subjects Gep!

[robsul82]

69. Dean voted for NAFTA, Dick?

Um, no.

Later.

RJS

[janekat]

93. Dean was a leading governor supporting NAFTA, was at signing ceremony

http://www.dickgephardt2004.com/plugin/template/gephardt/92/2119
Howard Dean was a leading governor supporting NAFTA, and attended the initial White House ceremony with Canadian and Mexican leaders in 1993.

Dean attended the White House ceremony for the signing of the NAFTA side agreements in 1993.

[phirili]

149. Kerry is awesome, he is very difficult to attack, very Presidential

"Kerry gone wild"

[Lefty48197]

74. Huel Perkins GREAT QUESTIONS!

87 billion for Iraq? What about the cities?
And what about that rich guy who was using drugs? Why no jail time like poor folks?

[Alex146]

82. I want to see dean get on of these

[NNN0LHI]

75. Edwards keeps getting better and better I think n/t

[robsul82]

79. They're certainly...

...giving him enough time to talk, he's looking VERY good.

Later.

RJS

[mlawson]

94. Haven't seen it yet. Edwards is still not bashing the others?

I hope he can keep to that policy!!! It WILL help him!

[Rooktoven]

Absolutely, he only responds to attacks--

and that is a case of "Don't throw me in that briar patch!!"

It will indeed help him to unite the party.

[shepard]

101. Edwards.

As a person from North Carolina you can have Edwards.He looks good,talks a good talk but he is no action at all.Ahe'ee Nehemah

[NNN0LHI]

118. As a person from Illinois...

...I know how important being able to look and talk good is for any candidate. Its not right. But that is the way it is.

Don

[Rooktoven]

135. I AM from North Carolina...

and I'm behind him 100%.

[juajen]

148. I agree

Edwards is doing well. This is, by far, the best debate I've seen, and I think I've seen them all. Do wish we could hear more from Kucinich and Braun. Al is his usual sucinct and charismatic self. I'm not sure what position he should hold, but he will be good at it.

[Loyal]

77. Lieberman is against drug war?

Who woulda thunk it? :shrug:

[Lefty48197]

78. Good point Joe

Treatment not jail

[JohnKleeb]

92. wow

I am impressed.

[Terwilliger]

107. don't be

any democrat who talks about treatment not jail is talking out of his ass

Until I see a Dem make fundamental corrections to this insane tragedy, I won't believe anything they say

[JohnKleeb]

124. I guess Terwill being that its Lieberman

but seriously thats what I want and I am a democrat, all right I have socialist or green sympathies :D happy now.

[Cush]

80. Joe: WHen I'm President...

Sure......although he did have some good points on the drug issue

[Padraig18]

87. When Joe is President

Purple mokeys will start flying out of my butt...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

83. Lieberman forgot to also mention that he would appoint McCain to head DOD

[Neecy]

86. very impressive

...with the exception of Lieberman, I'd vote for any individual on that stage.

[robsul82]

90. When is Dean going to get another question?

Most of his time's come from answering Kucinich!

Later.

RJS

[Alex146]

91. The FOX news people keep disrupting/smearing/bashing Clark

really fair and balanced

[FrenchieCat]

That's ok...Clark can take it....

He's just now formulating his plan.......so he can make it just right....that ain't what he brings to the table......All he needs to do right now is rescind those Rich people taxes....

[poskonig]

97. Kucinich out defensed Clark on defense

great prop on American steel, btw

[kayleybeth]

98. Revend Al

I LOVE this guy :-)

[robsul82]

102. Oh, Al...

You do RULE, lol. Hahah, Dean - I was afraid I'd have to talk after Al, oh no.

Later.

RJS

[jumptheshadow]

99. God, Al is great tonight

The average working class family is already pulling their weight. The offshore Enrons are doing nothing.

[janekat]

100. Sharpton has a lot of fans in the audience...

n/t

[FrenchieCat]

103. Al's almost too good....

They better give that man a job, once one of them is elected!

[lcordero]

105. AL PUT THE SMACKDOWN AGAIN:D

[Tinoire]

106. Debate moderators are doing a good job with their questions.

Much better than that recent CNN charade! I only wish the candidates had more time.

[MissB]

114. With the exception of the We're trying to imagine any of you as president

question, I'd almost agree.

[Postman]

108. Al Sharpton is AWESOME.......

eom

[frank frankly]

109. Clark?

I've never never never heard Gwen Ifill attack someone before--and suddenly she's going after him

[FrenchieCat]

122. It's ok.....she knows that he's new at the economy...

.....so she's filling a void. Actually, it's not a bad idea! He does have to hone in....and I think he is doing just that. But the bigger question is what the use of balancing the budget...when we are suffering job losses...better to invest in really stimulating the economy prior to even attempting to balance the budget. Maybe we can get some money back from Iraq...I we go the the U.N. with hat in hand...and get rid of the Halliburton Bleeding us dry...probably charging 5 times as much as they should anyway!

[FrenchieCat]

110. oh, oh, Kerry is on the attack!

He wants to win NH, That's for sure.

[robsul82]

113. Don't think the audience bought it...

...he paused for applause, didn't get any, and got some at the end.

Later.

RJS

[Alex146]

117. He keeps saying "Clinton this- Clinton that"

He's not Clinton, he should stop pretending to be.

[jenk]

112. Kerry shot down Dean

.

[Sean Reynolds]

125. How? Because Dean wasn't allowed to respond to Kerry's crap?

It's easy to 'shoot down' someone when they can't reply, correct? How about we hear Dean's side.....oh wait, they won't allow him to refute the Kerry crap. Yet other candidates can?

[unfrigginreal]

127. How? You mean his "I want to protect the tax cut for those making $70,000?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

115. Kerry wins on the tax cut issue....Dean loses on the tax cut issue

[Sean Reynolds]

120. WHY? Because Dean wasn't allowed to respond to Kerry's crap?

:eyes:

[pruner]

126. based on the level of applause…

I'd say you're wrong.

:nuke:

[Sean Reynolds]

116. BS again! That is the second time Dean wasn't able to rebut an attack!

I thought a canidate was allowed to rebut an attack? WTF? :shrug:

[robsul82]

123. Cut right to commercial...

Nice job, no Dean rebuttal again. Great.

Later.

RJS

[janekat]

121. This is the 2nd time someone's attacked Dean and then they cut for

commercial and didn't let him respond. Not too fair.

[Alex146]

133. Dean is fighting back!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

134. quit your bellyachen .he got his rebutal time...fair and balanced & all

that happy horseshit

[ElsewheresDaughter]

145. whoah what a churlish remark she made to Gepthart

BITCH!

[Renew Deal]

129. Dean is whining.

:cry:

[Sean Reynolds]

140. How?

[Alex146]

143. He just wants to defend himself from Kerrys lies

[frank frankly]

131. Gwen Ifill called Dean a small-time govenor

amazing

[janekat]

132. Please Lieberman - drop out before the next debate....

n/t

[janekat]

136. The crowd does NOT like Lieberman and Dean

n/t

[DemCam]

137. Great Kerry reply...

Kerry gone wild......hee hee

[DemCam]

147. Am hating this part...

What happened to ol' Gwen during the break?

At least she's being crappy to all of them.

What's her address.

Go |Gep...good response to ol Gwen

[Cush]

138. Kerry Gone Wild!

[robsul82]

141. Haha...

...I DID like Kerry Gone Wild, lol.

Later.

RJS

[Sean Reynolds]

139. Kerry needs to get his head out of Clinton's ass.

Kerry needs to realize that when Clinton took office that the economy wasn't as shitty as it is today........

[AnnabelLee]

142. Locking

Please continue the discussion in The Dem Debate Thread III
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=595192

[janekat]

146. Whoa - Gwen is really ripping a few people a new one....

Dean, Gephardt, Clark.