Democratic Debate Thread III

[poskonig]

It has been a good night. Thread II is getting boggy, therefore this. ;)

[MercutioATC]

1. Are Kerry's attacks getting redundant, or is it me?

He prefaces every statement with an attack on Dean now...I think it takes away from what he's saying..

[sfecap]

30. It's a good thing...

Every time he does it, his poll numbers go down.

Keep attacking, Johnny! :-)

[NNN0LHI]

2. Dean was on it with the Medicare/Medicaid/Tax Cut question

Could not have handled it better.

Don

[Renew Deal]

3. Dean is whining.

:cry:

[Sean Reynolds]

17. Why? Because he wasn't allowed to refute an attack?

I'd whine too.

[Renew Deal]

31. The way he answered...

not the fact that he answered.

[Sean Reynolds]

48. Again, because he was pissed that they wouldn't let him refute.

Call it whining - OH WELL.

[janekat]

50. He's kind of obnoxious... is he EVER pleasant and upbeat?

n/t

[shance]

173. With you no. You are never upbeat and pleasant about Dean.

Either your freeper colors are showing, or you just hate Dean which baffles me because if you were a Dem, you wouldnt be so irrationally accusatory of him.

[kayleybeth]

4. Kerry Gone Wild

Funny

[MercutioATC]

153. How bright is it referencing yourself to a production charged with

kiddie porn???

[Loyal]

5. LMAO

Wait till you see my video, Kerry Gone Wild! That was funny. :) Btw, Dean calling Kerry Bush lite was LAMEEE!

[frank frankly]

6. Gwen Ifill makes me physically ill

she is one of the worst

she called Dean a small-time governor

[MissB]

9. Has your moment passed?

Question to Gep. What a bitch.

[Skwmom]

20. I'll second that. e/o/m

[eleny]

13. She's been downright disrespectful..

and deserves my "Needs A Slap" award for the evening.

[kayleybeth]

Well

that's technically accurate, but Bill Clinton was also a small time governor.

edit: dang I am all about the typos tonight.

[johnfunk]

51. Ifill called Dean a small-time governor -- look who's talking

A small-time ex-MSNBCer who allows herself to be seen on FAUX. Shame on Gwen.

[poskonig]

7. Kerry is well-prepared today.

What the hell is up with Gwen Eiffel?

[Renew Deal]

12. Kerry is good so far today.

[Renew Deal]

8. Ifil to Gep: "Has your moment passed?"

[Rooktoven]

15. Might be a mean question, but he's tiring.

Gephardt seems to think he needs to shout all his answers. <<yawn>>

[Renew Deal]

25. I think they are asking everyone a Meme question.

[frank frankly]

10. Gwen is the worst

she has insulted everybody

[Egnever]

11. hah Kerry just got a two for!

Score two for kerry!

[frank frankly]

14. her show Washington Week is terrible

PBS=ADM and Monsanto

PBS is going, going, gone!!

[janekat]

28. The most boring political show on the air....

n/t

[Loyal]

16. GOOOOO GEPHARDT!!!

TWO GREAT LINES!

[DemCam]

36. Hear hear........

he got her!

[Jackhammer Jesus]

18. Enough of the "Clinton, Clinton, Clinton"

from Gep and Kerry.

Nice line about voting Democrat if you want to live like a Republican from Gep, though.

[robsul82]

22. He should credit Truman...

...the next time he uses Truman's words.

[Alex146]

23. The line was great the first time...

it's getting old.

[Alex146]

26. Edwards is good

[Sean Reynolds]

24. I SO AGREE!

We need to STOP looking to the past and look toward the future.

[Cush]

19. Who is this woman???

[loudnclear]

166. Condi's Godmother.

Must be.

[jumptheshadow]

21. Gwen to Gephardt: Has your moment passed?

She notes the service employees union is flirting with Dean.

Gephardt says no (of course), talks about his experience and vote on the economic bill.

[phirili]

65. Kerry turns a pressure question into a light moment. Very smart.

[DemCam]

27. How do we write Gwen?

Is she going to attack Sharpton? She's going after Braun.

[Alex146]

32. She's asking what needs to be asked

[jumptheshadow]

103. We seem to be in the minority here, Alex

But I agree with you, Gwen is getting right to the point with these questions. It's not pretty but it's necessary.

[robsul82]

29. A double-digit lead in SC for Edwards...?

Um...seriously?

Later.

RJS

[Rooktoven]

40. His internal polling.

oither polls confirm a slight lead.

[robsul82]

49. Double digit's not slight...

...no lying, Johnny! No VP nomination for you!

Later.

RJS

[Rooktoven]

66. I have a feeling it's accurate...

besides, he won't _need_ the VP nomination, amigo,

[MissB]

33. Does she get a bonus for attacking each of the candidates?

Sheesh.

[Alex146]

38. as long as she attacks them all

[Rooktoven]

34. maybe I'm twisted, but

I _like_ these "How is your campaign fucked up?" questions..,

[minkyboodle]

43. HAHA Kucinich corrects her

classic. Gwen needs to check her facts... can't catch Dennis sleeping
Scott

[minkyboodle]

53. reply

sorry didn't mean to post this to your thread but I couldn;t agree more with the ridiculous questions about how is your campaign floundering.
Scott

[jumptheshadow]

35. Gwen to CWB: You have little money, what's your breakout strategy

CWB issues a general response: We have a robust campaign, we're going to talk to people, etc., etc.

[Sean Reynolds]

41. cMb.....cwb is WAY too close to gwb! ;-)

[Alex146]

56. She's going after JL

[minkyboodle]

37. Ridiculous Edwards Question

Its just me but aren't I correct in assuming that not one primary vote has been cast in the election right? The question to Edwards about him lagging in the polls seem ridiculous. Do candidates not even get a chance to lose in U.S. elections? I think that this is a general problem in elections today with an obsession with TV predictions, who is winning... Seems like the actual primaries should determine who has right to be there not TV analysis of polls.
SCott

[spooky3]

161. that would be a good answer a candidate should give!!!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

39. Gwen Ifill has made very uncalled for churlish statements in her question

to gepthart, and Braun, she is a bitch

[janekat]

90. I agree - she's gone over the top several times

n/t

[FrenchieCat]

42. CMB.........

Unfortunately is not going to win anything. Voting my own interest means voting for Clark cause I want Bush outa there!

[DemCam]

44. Goodness worse yet to Dennis!

Smirked when asked how to break long failure since Lincoln.

[robsul82]

45. DK just schooled Gwen....

Gwen, you just got...

OWNED!

(insert smiley pic of DK here)

Later.

RJS

[NNN0LHI]

46. I have really enjoyed this debate. Fox has done a great job so far n/t

[FrenchieCat]

47. oh oh, Kecinich stands corrected....

Doesn't look good. But he is honest.

[FrenchieCat]

54. Lieberman.....here he goes against Clark again!

Does he ever stop!

[janekat]

63. Are they commnetators or debaters - they're going overboard IMO

n/t

[minkyboodle]

72. what was Kucinich corrected on

I was out of the room can anyone clue me in?

Scott

[MissB]

79. Earlier he claimed that 300 people had been killed on the streets

of (Chicago?) this year. It was 35. The panel felt the need to correct him.

[minkyboodle]

89. well

I guess I gotta withdraw my support for him then ;-)
Thanks for the answer missb. Even Dennis flubs up now and then I guess no one is perfect in debates..... but Sharpton's gotta be going on 99% these days :)
Scott

[Lefty48197]

106. Kucinich misspoke

He said that 350 people had been killed on the streets of Detroit in September. He said that he meant to say 35. 350 is about how many people are murdered annually in the streets of Detroit. The local reporter felt obligated to correct him. I wanted to mention it myself.

[MercutioATC]

159. Agreed. A misstatement. Nothing more.

This is NOT an issue.

[minkyboodle]

162. agreed

[Township75]

52. Why do I like the Fox representative more than the PBS one?

That woman is such a condensending bitch.

[bluestateguy]

55. This reporter is a jerk

This is why I don't like debates with panels of reporters. They like to showboat and get their little quips in on the news.

[MissB]

57. Joe. Yuck. eom.

[robsul82]

58. Joe just gave Wes...

...a swift kick to the schnutz. YOW!

Later.

RJS

[Loyal]

59. Lieberman has a point

I don't think anyone really doubts that he's a real Democrat. You'd have to ignore his 30 year political career.

[Renew Deal]

60. Lieberman continues to be a piece of shit.

Attacks Clark again. "No one called me Bush-Lite since clark entered."

[texas is the reason]

61. lieberman just practically got booed with the rip on clark!

[janekat]

76. If anything - he's helping Clark and hurting himself

n/t

[DemCam]

62. At least they booed him again....

[johnfunk]

70. Be nice about Lieberman...

... after all, it's nice to have a Republican in there against which the eight Democrats can be gauged.

[Nashyra]

82. I thought Clarks answer was a good one

He is running on his record.

[jumptheshadow]

64. Gwen to Lieberman: How do you sell Dems on your candidacy?

Lieberman: You can have a hard time finding two guys who are angrier about Shrub's presidency than Al Gore and me.

I'm strong on defense, strong on values, and willing to talk about faith in American life.

[FrenchieCat]

67. Hope Clark gets a rebuttal!

Lieberman is putting me to sleep. He is pandering to the Black Churches right about now.

Gwen calling Al Sharpton out????

[kayleybeth]

68. Lieberman

Give it a rest, Joe.

[Cush]

69. Go Al

IF the media would read and not just right......many people in the US aren't taken seriously

[FrenchieCat]

71. GO Sharpton, Go!!!

He a provocateur who's proud of it!

VOTE! THAT'S RIGHT AL.

[FrenchieCat]

80. Go, Clark, GO.....

That's right....we need leadership!

[juajen]

73. Hell, maybe I'll stop agonizing over Kucinich or Clark,

and vote for AL Sharpton!!

[Tinoire]

147. I wish they'd just team up because they're my 2 favorites also! n/t

[robsul82]

74. Nice story, Wes...

...very funny! :)

Later.

RJS

[Alex146]

75. Clark tries to be funny...

and falls on his ass IMO

[FrenchieCat]

83. clark showed he is serious....

Cute story...then a serious look......I ain't gonna lose....

Get that.!

Hey, where's Dean???

[DemCam]

85. More like charming........

rahter than funny...and he does it up right. Very big grin here.

[TLM]

98. Came across more like a dodge of the question...

like a little kid trying to be cute when they get caught in the cookie jar.

CLark has not given one spcific policy answer... just empty platitudes.

[Uzybone]

94. Yep

the only funny person is Dean. Dean is god. Enough of this nonsense.

[burythehatchet]

77. Get used to it

Wesley Clark is going to be our next president

[texas is the reason]

86. if americans wanted to be barked at by a general, they would join the army

[Pastiche423]

97. A yup

We are not a military state..............yet.

[janekat]

112. God I hope you're right... If not him, Kerry

Please God - you owe me one after what happened to Gore (worked on that campaign 6 days a week).

[Renew Deal]

78. Clark does not go back after Lieberman.

[robsul82]

81. I did appreciate that and noticed it...

...and here's Kerry talking about guns. *twiddles thumbs*

Later.

RJS

[jumptheshadow]

84. Kerry: Got to stand up to NRA

For assault weapon ban, for the Brady bill.

Need to fight vs. special interests who are taking away the voices of average Americans.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

105. Strange thing to bring up

in one's closing statement.

[TLM]

87. Clark has nothing but empty platitudes...

We’ve got to work for America… get America going… protect America… etc etc. Just empty generalizations and platitudes.

[FrenchieCat]

95. But where's the Oh great one???

Where's Dean??????

[TLM]

113. They 've given him very little time...

2 questions and 2 rebut... now last statement

[A-Schwarzenegger]

100. "I am not running for Homeroom Representative"

is not a empty general paltitude.

[TLM]

121. Yes it is....

It is a cute and snide way of avoiding the question about his total lack of experience in any elected office.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

132. No its' not...

It's very interesting and original. The whole story
endeared General to the people and brought back days
of yore and childhood angst.

[TLM]

139. Yeah it was a platitude... of NO SUBSTANCE at all

the only point of that little story was to avoid giving a straight answer... Clark didn't give a straight answer the whole night.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

149. It was a subliminal use of reverse

platiutudes. Some people are afraid of Generals.
Therefore he tells a sweet story of his childhood
and how nice he was to vote for his buddy that got
elected. Where is his buddy today? His buddy got
elected Homeroom Representtaive. But where is his
buddy today? General Clark is a hero a couple
ding-dongs away from the Ovval Office. But where
is his buddy? Do you even know his buddy's name?
It is a subliminal way of sayinfg that running for
other things or having other offices might mean
something but it do not mean what you think it
means. If you know his buddy's name please tell
me what it is. That's why it's not a platitude.
A platiutude is some saying everybody gets that's
been said a million times. This was a original,
subliminal and reverse platitude.

[DemCam]

102. And class out the ass

:-) added on edit

[tridim]

108. Clark's probably a good guy

but he's not presidential material. He's probably going to drop futher in the new polls.

[janekat]

120. baloney

n/t

[TLM]

134. Yeah you're right...

Clark is not a good guy.

Anybody who would defend bombing journalists is not a good guy.

[kayleybeth]

174. And...

one could say that anyone who takes wheelchairs and artificial limbs away from the poor, elderly, and disabled is not a good guy. Please read the Time magazine cover article about Governor Dean.

QUOTE:
"Dean alienated progressives by tightening spending and successfully pushing tax cuts. "Howard would start (each budget cycle) by cutting programs for the needy, things like wheelchairs and artificial limbs", says State Auditor Elizabeth Ready, who has been both friend and foe to Dean. Horrified liberals would have to claw each benefit back from the tightfisted Governor."

Time Magazine
August 11, 2003

(No link because the online article has been archived to the paid section).

Edited to include quote from Time article.

[FrenchieCat]

152. Don't bet your house on it!

[spooky3]

163. it worked for Arnold!

[jumptheshadow]

88. Edwards sounds good

5 million new jobs, health care for everybody.

He's a great speaker and has done well tonight.

[kayleybeth]

115. Agreed

Edwards did great tonight. I thought he won the last debate. I am very surprised Edwards hasn't "broken out" of the pack yet. There's still time I guess. I'm a Clark supporter all the way but if Clark doesn't get the nomination, I would be much more enthusiastic about supporting Edwards than I would about some of the other candidates. He's very charismatic, IMO.

[TLM]

127. Agreed... edwards and sharpton won this debate.

And Dean did a great job of highlighting Kerry's support for some of Bush's tax cut and the war... Lieberman, Kerry, and Clark all looked bad in this debate.

[kayleybeth]

145. Ummm

I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you, TLM. Lieberman did look bad, but I thought Kerry and Clark looked great. Dean didn't do badly, but he didn't exactly shine, IMO. That said, I'm supporting Clark in the primary. If Clark doesn't get the nomination, I will support whichever Dem candidate does.

Fox News is drooling over Dean in the post-debate commentary.

[NNN0LHI]

91. Edwards is Kennedy like n/t

[Rooktoven]

104. only better ;-)

not a patrician. The next President in any case.

[IndianaGreen]

92. Sharpton is speaking for the base

and telling like it is: this party has lost its way.

[burythehatchet]

96. SLAP the donkey

I love it

[minkyboodle]

93. YES SLAP THE DONKEY

SLAP IT SLAPT IT....goooooood

[robsul82]

99. Hahahaha...

..."Slap the Donkey" should be the motto of the Party, hahahaha. I love the Reverend!

Later.

RJS

[frank frankly]

101. Will they take the cue from Sharpton?

kick that donkey

:kick:

[Nashyra]

111. I missed what Sharpton said after

"a bunch of elephants wearing donkey jackets" could some one please fill me in?

[FrenchieCat]

107. CMB.....

Girl that's right....It's about winning..

VOTE CLARK!

[madfloridian]

109. I am not watching, turned it off because they are insulting to candidates.

I was just glancing here at Thread III. I do not see much about Dean. Is he getting air time?

[IndianaGreen]

114. You are the one that turned the damned thing off...

Your fault, and your loss on a good debate where everyone shone!

[madfloridian]

144. I am sorry, but that lady's rudeness made me angry inside.

I thought I could watch it and not get upset at the moderators. The last Fox one was outrageous as well.

I found I could not watch. I do not feel that deserves your wrath. Sometimes watching the debates, watching them make fun of our candidates, bothers me.

I just asked a question about this thread. It was my choice to turn it off. Good grief, why would you get so angry because I did? May I participate in the thread?

[Tinoire]

150. It was much better than the CNN debate

I missed the beginning but thought it was great except too short.

I don't mind the hard questions... If anything, my questions would be a lot more merciless ;)

[IndianaGreen]

110. Excellent closing by Mosley-Braun

we won't recognize this country if Bush gets another term.

[burythehatchet]

117. I love that woman

she is presidential

[Khephra]

116. Go DEAN!

I may be sick and having dental problems, but I had to get up to hear as much of tonight's debate as possible.

:toast:

HE just hit on Ashcroft, Falwell and Rush at the same time. I love it when he does that.

:-)

[FrenchieCat]

118. No Dean....

The priority is getting Bush out of the White House.....

Here we go with the empower Speech....good and reliable!!!!!

[NNN0LHI]

119. I really like what Dean is saying n/t

[NNN0LHI]

122. Clark made a lot of sense too n/t

[Renew Deal]

123. Nice speach by Clark.

Americans are not a cog in the system.

[DemCam]

129. Liked Clark linking businessmen and government and

responsibility to people. yep.

[Khephra]

124. Clark's changed his msg a bit

Clark, like Kerry, has been pushing the idea of "leadership" a lot. I noticed a big switch on Clark talking about the supporters tonight. Good move on his part.

Side note though: Clark needs to learn how to blink when he's on camera.

[FrenchieCat]

135. Clark can't help it

if he's got laserbeamers....for eyes......

They'll go right thru Bush and Cheney!......when it's time.

[DemCam]

137. lol about the blinking....

I wouldn't want to get into a staring contestwith him.

[Clark Can WIN]

175. Blinking is indicative of LYING.... you should be happy

he's not lying. I know I am.

[unfrigginreal]

125. Great closing by Dean n/t

[Loyal]

126. Gephardt's closing statement

was very good.

[FrenchieCat]

128. Clark felt a little rushed........

The Dictator comment could could have been cut out....BUt I guess it's good for those who worry about national security and having someone at the elm that won't be pushed around.

I felt that he was sincere and wants the best for this country!

Lieberman is oh so pandering!

[IndianaGreen]

133. I thought all of them were quite good

I also think Kerry is the one who did the best from among all of them.

[unfrigginreal]

138. Clark came across as a bore...zzzzzzzzz.

[FrenchieCat]

148. Must only be you opinion.....

Hey, I've got one of those too.....and I believe that the viewers hung on to every word he said.

[Renew Deal]

130. Jo(k)e2004.com

[robsul82]

131. One of the most appealing things about Dean is...

...he doesn't speak LOUD-LY into the mic. He's quiet, and he thinks. He does get angry, and his voice does raise sometimes. But in these closing statements, you can tell his calmness.

Later.

RJS

[FrenchieCat]

141. Especially since Dean was giving his famous

"you've got the power" speech. Since he knows it by heart, he can concentrate on his delivery!

[mzmolly]

171. We can only hope Clark will learn

what his actual positions are before the next debate.

[Clark Can WIN]

176. What comes off as calmness to you

registers as apathy to me. To each their own eh?

[minkyboodle]

136. Now we get to here Bill Krystol's analysis

Happy Happy Joy Joy

[Khephra]

140. I hate to say it

But Krystol isn't doing so bad in telling the truth, although I suspect his reasons for doing so.

[Rose Siding]

143. And Juan, too

They all called it for Dean.

[FrenchieCat]

146. What did Kristol say?

I turned it off because I didn't want to be poisoned by the PNAC Cabal!

[Khephra]

156. Pretty much that because Dean is the front runner in the polls

That he wins any debate in which he isn't taken down a notch or two.

[bluestateguy]

142. I say SHARPTON won

It's hard to stand out in a debate of 10 candidates, and heaven help the party if they dare to say that only the major candidates should participate. Sharpton knows how to say things that separate him from the pack and seems unconcerned with offending non-Democratic primary voters (which would be a problem later down the roas, of course). Clark seemed much improved, as did Kerry. Dean was strong. Kucinich was average, as was Braun, Gebhart and Lieberman. Edwards was weak.

[FrenchieCat]

151. I agree that

Clark and Kerry stood out......my first and second, in that order.....

Good for America!

[Nashyra]

158. Sharpton won

Clark came in second. The rest did not show any fire. IMO Lieberman is an embarassment to the Dem party, he should get the hell out. DK seemed way off and CMB is taking up space, she is a very smart woman but there is no chance she will get the nod, they have to thin this field so that the front runners have more time to debate each other and clarify their message.

[Renew Deal]

154. Sharpton always wins.

He kicks ass at these.

[Cat Atomic]

157. Sharpton was fantastic.

.

[NNN0LHI]

160. I say something ain't fair. Sharpton always wins. I think the fix is in

Honestly, he really does do good job every time. He can sure think on his feet well. I would vote for him in a minute.

Don

[kimchi]

172. I agree-Sharpton won.

I was not impressed with my main man DK tonight, but I missed a lot of the debate--until I saw this thread!

I also agree with burythehatchet that Mosley-Braun is very presidential. She's confident, and speaks slowly and clearly. I keep thinking she's the head librarian who sweetly and calmly kicks your ass out before you even have a chance to argue. While the Reverend would sermonize and gesticulate wildly, dragging you by the ear through the entire library as an example.

Unfortunately, of the others only Dean, Edwards, and Kucinich seem really passionate about breaking the BFEE, in my opinion. The rest seem to be going through the motions, as if they don't really BELIEVE that they can turn this country around. It could also be that what I am really seeing is my own cynicism of the military and career politicians. But I don't think so.

Edwards is coming into his own, I think. He did very well tonight.

DK is always mad, and who can BLAME him, but he needs help in articulating his wonderful ideas to the public. I kept nodding off to Lieberman's sonorous drone, until he said Gore. Likewise Gephart and Clinton. And Clark just isn't ready--I think he's out of his element - although I'm finally convinced he's legit.

Sharpton, Edwards and Mosley-Braun shone in this debate, although I am still supporting Dennis, and loving Dean. Any one of these on the ticket would make me very hopeful that our country really can regain it's former glory.

[Gloria]

155. For the Record: Gwen Ifill apparently is buddies with Condosleaza RIce....

Awhile back someone posted a story which mentioned how she was cooking dinner with Condi one night.....
Ifill along with the whole Washington Week in Review bunch have all whored themselves. There was a time when I watched it faithfully, back in the days of Paul Duke, when all the panel had a jaundiced eye toward political goings on instead of the genuflecting that goes on today.

In fact, I stopped watching after they did a show just before Iraq started because all of them completely ignored the info about Powell's UN speech being a pack of lies...I got so pissed I even wrote an article about it for Buzzflash entitled "Washington Week in Review 2/7/03: Sins of Omission."

[loudnclear]

168. I'm sending an e-mail to Gwendalezza...

She wasn't very professional and was way over the top in her phrasing of questions. It was unnecessary and very transparent.

[slinkerwink]

164. My take on the debate tonight....

Here's my take on the debate tonight....

In my opinion, Sharpton was the clear winner of the debate, but the pundits completely discount him.

Dean was really good, but he left himself to two openings in which Kerry zoomed in.

Gephardt----all that hand gesturing and lack of eyebrows really annoys me.

Clark sounded fine, but the military thing was beginning to get very weary on my nerves, and he offered no specifics, really.

Kerry, he did a few good digs, but that's all he seems to do is by framing his answers with "Dean this, Dean that..."---it's a myopic fixation that will hurt him in the end.

Lieberman should just fucking drop out already. He's an embarassment to the Dem party.

Kucinich.....*sigh*.....I have a feeling he'll become a Nader type because he'll be too stubborn to drop out and will stay in like a diseased penny.

Braun----needs to stop focusing wholely on the "I'm a woman" part, and even though she sounded great, really doesn't have a whole lot going for her.

Edwards----young, youthful, Southern, basically the antithesis of Strom Thurmond, ha.

Sharpton---loved the "This is a battle between the Christian Right Wing and the Real Christians" line

Have I left anyone out?

[lindashaw]

165. But, oh God, can any of them beat Bush and get us out of Iraq?

I was really upset about all those evangelicals in the Bible belt being Bush's base. Can any of our guys win those people? And do we even want to? But can we win without them?

[maha]

167. Bush will get the hard-core fundies no matter what.

However, speaking as someone who grew up in the Bible Belt and had JEE-zus shoved down my throat most of my early life -- there are substantial numbers of people living in the Bible Belt who are not hard-core fundies, and these people do vote.

Conventional wisdom is that Clark could do very, very well in the Bible Belt south, and I am inclined to agree. I like Dean a lot but I'm concerned that he will be a hard sell outside the northeast. But I could be wrong.

[quaker bill]

169. Sharpton beat the panel of reporters soundly

Dean beat the panel of candidates. At least those that took him on.

Sharpton, CMB, Clark, Kucinich seemed to have learned not to tangle with the guy.

[quaker bill]

170. What is it with Edwards and corporate welfare?

WTF????

Why is this man talking about tax incentives to move existing jobs into the inner city?

What happens to those at work on these jobs now out in the countryside?

I thought from his press, he is working for the common man.

How do tax incentives to move jobs from one place to another around the country accomplish this purpose?

I live in corporate welfare central, where one city bids against the next to move jobs across city lines on the notion that this does something for the community.

This BS has to stop.