Scott Ritter: "Bush as Hitler? You're damn right."

[Minstrel Boy]

I read Ritter's "Frontier Justice" yesterday, and had to share this great rant from the closing chapter:

"It is our responsibility as citizens to be ever vigilant in defense of our society. This means we should be honest in our evaluation of what is transpiring around us in the name of government. Bush as Hitler? You're damn right. For Americans, Bush is worse than Hitler. Hitler never came close to destroying the American way of life; Bush is accomplishing that objective in spades. Hitler dreamed of global conquest; Bush is doing his utmost to achieve it. The PNAC posse speaks of the dangers of Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, and other "rogue states," but the sad truth is that Sheriff Bush and his PNAC posse pose the greatest threat to the security of the United States, and international peace and security for that matter, than the world has known for sometime. In typical Orwellian doublespeak, Bush and his posse posture in defense against tyranny, while perpetrating tyranny themselves. They are masters of the Big Lie: America is threatened, but the danger comes from within, from the very ranks of those whom we elected to protect us."

Ritter points a finger at PNAC for having manipulated the US into a criminal war of conquest founded on lies, and accuses the Bush administration of having "had all the information necessary before 9/11 to know such an attack was imminent, and did nothing to stop it."

Now that he's been vindicated on the war and Iraq's weapons, Ritter's angrier than ever, and even more persuaded that Bush poses an extraordinary crisis for America and the world.

[proud patriot]

1. Thanks for sharing

:hi: I really like Scott Ritter , and should get his book .

[Flying_Pig]

2. PNAC is the most criminally fascist group the world has seen ...

since the heydays of the Nazis. How this group was allowed to take control of our foreign policy, is a stunning example of government through conspiracy, and Ritter details it well.

I also find it very interesting, that the major principals of PNAC, Perle, Wolfowitz, Abrams, Bolton, Feith, and several others, had at one time or another, all worked for the Israeli government. Why this is important, is that they all collectively pushed for the Iraq invasion, and are now pushing for invasions of Syria and Iran, goals also pushed for by Ariel Sharon and the Likud government of Israel.

At times, it appears to me, that vis-a-vis PNAC, Israel has been able to realize its foreign policy goals of having the United States invade, and/or, intimidate, countries it is unhappy with, and its long-sought goal of a much larger U.S. military presence in the M.E. Using our troops, and our military budgets, financed by U.S. taxpayers, Israel appears to have found a way to have the U.S. fight its wars for them, free of charge. Pretty slick actually.

Coupled with the desires of the oil goons within this administration to control ME oil resources, it would appear Israel has succeeded in creating a foreign policy alliance made in heaven. Perhaps that's why Sharon recently said, "Israel has never had a better friend in the White House, than George W. Bush." And no doubt, we can expect Israel, along with its U.S. based friends and allies in the media, and in PACs like AIPAC, to fully support Bush's "re-election".

[JackSwift]

3. Damn, he's a good writer

I fear for his physical safety.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

4. YES! The stage for shock and awe regarding BushCo is finally set to play.

"...danger comes from within, from the very ranks of those whom we elected to protect us."

Great line, even though they weren't actually elected.

Our military take an oath to defend the constitution from "enemies, foreign and domestic..." I think they are figuring out where their enemies are lately.

[spindoctor]

5. It is not often that I agree with Dennis Miller

But when asked why he did his political 180, he replied that it was the "hitlerizing" of people. He is a Hitler for doing this, she is a Hitler for doing that, etc.

Mr. Miller is right (grr for making me say it). Bush is not (a) Hitler. There were many aspects to Hitler's regime that were umm...unethical. His foreign policy is not the first thing that jumps to mind. Just because President Bush is ethically challenged himself, that does not make him hitlerlike, let alone make him (a) Hitler.

Maybe in 50 years from now we will talk about "bushizing" people in this same fashion, but by then we will have forgotten all about the nasty little man from Austria (no, not Schwarzenegger).

[submerged99]

6. I think miller turned for monetary reasons.

Dennis Miller can say that he turned because of the "hilterization" phenom, but I think he turned for the same reasons that people like Christopher Hitchens, horowitz etc turn. They gravitate to what they see as the power base and are looking for someone to bankroll them.

After all, did Miller condemn the "Hitlerization" of Saddam Hussein that came from the right. Don't read this as a disargeement on your comments. It's just an observation on Dennis Miller.

[Petrodollar Warfare]

7. Many parallels b/t Hitler/Poland in 1939 and Bush/Iraq in 2003

<<<Bush and Hitler used the same Big Lie to create fear in their countries and justify a "pre-emptive" war against foreign terrorists... and the buring of the Reichstag in 1933 has some very errie parallels to 9/11...seriously, just go to google and search>>>


Prescott Bush (President's Grandfather) financed Hitler into power from 1922 onwards and had his assets confiscated by the US Government in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act. That was Prescott Bush's contribution to 54 million deaths. (There is a history of Facism that runs in the Bush family, but G.H. Bush only talked about a "New World Order" - but the neocons and Bush the son are actually engaging in the same madness that Hitler and Nazis tried -military domination.)

There are similarities between Hitler invading Poland and George W. Bush invading Iraq:

1. Each happened simply because just one warmonger politician decided to invade.

2. Both events had the Bushes behind it (Hitler had Prescott Bush from 1922).

3. Hitler told the Germans that the Poles were going to build a large army and ivnade Germany. Bush told the Americans that Saddam was going to threaten us and our allies with all his new WMD...(nevermind that was a transparent pack of lies - as Ritter has stated since 02')

4. Both Hitler and Bush chose the "defense" of their nation to justify their invasion - both as "pre-emptive" wars.

5. Both Bush and Hitler own(ed) the world's biggest military machines. (Hitler needed some gold for his conquest, which he plundered from Poland and other countries, and Bush needed to control the oil and re-convert Iraq's oil exports back to the dollar standard. In both cases the military was used to acheive economic goals - in the name of nationalism and "defense" of course)

6. Both Hilter and Bush seized power by usurping the electoral process. (Bush brothers destroyed 250,000 Democratic votes in 4 electoral frauds in Florida, declared "W" the winner by 537 votes. Hitler seized power from the German political process under the emergency acts of 1933)

7. Hitler and Bush both gave fradulent reasons to invade. (Saddam Hussein has never been in partnership with bin Laden, no involvement w/ 9/11, nor has he rebuilt his WMD program). But the Bushes and bin Ladens have been business partners for 24 years. The bin Ladens were the first investors in GW Bush's first company, Arbusto in 1978 and are still joint owners of The Carlyle Group, a multi billion dollar weapons company which the Bushes built up with corrupt government contacts. BTW, the Poles were not going to invade Germany either...

8. Freedom in Germany and the USA had been denied before the attack (This time it's Bush's cynically named USA Patriot Act which nullifies the Bill of Rights of 1791. Both Hitler and Bush did/can imprison people without trial or judicial process.)

9. Both Hitler and the Bushes convinced the people that "God was on their side." (Gott und mit - "God is with us" and Bush's crusade against evil, pandering to do "God's will")

10. The populations of both Germany and the USA were indoctrinated by govenment propaganda. If you disagreed with Hitler or Bush you were branded an unpatriotic person, or perhaps even a traiter. Scott Ritter was called an "enemy of the state" by the US when he spoke in Finland(?) (Karl Rove/Neocons with 24/7 "news" has duped Americans into believing they are "under terror threat" and war is "inevitable")

11. Hitler and Bush both kept their populations subdued with fear. (Fear often prevents people from thinking critically, and therefore easily manipulated. In October 02' Bush, Cheney and Rice all said a "mushroom" cloud be in our future if we don't invade Iraq-NOW!)

12. Both wars could have been prevented simply by arresting the President of the invading country and prosecuting him for election fraud and war crimes.

Sadly, there are plenty of parallels b/t 1939 and 2003...


(edited from the below website)

http://www.grenadier2.dreamwater.com/wwwboard/2431.html

[w4rma]

8. Lawyers Furious as US Builds (Gitmo) Death Chambers

Lawyers Furious as US Builds (Gitmo) Death Chambers

LAWYERS expressed outrage yesterday at plans to put al-Qaeda suspects, including two Britons and an Australian, on military trial in Guantanamo Bay.

They would effectively be tried by a “kangaroo court”, stripped of all basic rights of due process that would be afforded in criminal courts in Britain or America, they said.
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He said: “The construction of execution chambers makes virtually every lawyer in the Western world extremely angry. The idea that there is an artificial creation or enclave which, according to the Americans, is beyond the purview of all recognised systems of law is repugnant.”
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http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0705-05.htm
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=8201&forum=DCForumID71

The Courier Mail: US Plans Death Camp (May 26, 2003)
THE US has floated plans to turn Guantanamo Bay into a death camp, with its own death row and execution chamber.

Prisoners would be tried, convicted and executed without leaving its boundaries, without a jury and without right of appeal, The Mail on Sunday newspaper reported yesterday.

The plans were revealed by Major-General Geoffrey Miller, who is in charge of 680 suspects from 43 countries, including two Australians.
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“This camp was created to execute people. The administration has no interest in long-term prison sentences for people it regards as hard-core terrorists.”
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http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,6494000%255E401,00.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=3258&forum=DCForumID71

CBS Producer Fired For Comparing The Mood In America To That Of Germans Who Helped Hitler's Rise To Power
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2845.htm

Producer Is a Casualty in CBS's 'Hitler' Miniseries
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In the April 12 TV Guide, the publication says that “Gernon stated his belief that fear fueled both the Bush administration's adoption of a preemptive-strike policy and the public's acceptance of it.” According to the article, “Gernon said a similar fearfulness in a devastated post-World War I Germany was 'absolutely' behind that nation's acceptance of Hitler's extremism.”

Gernon is quoted as saying of the miniseries, which tracks Hitler's rise to power in 1930s Germany: “It basically boils down to an entire nation gripped by fear, who ultimately chose to give up their civil rights and plunged the whole world into war.

“I can't think of a better time to examine this history than now,” he added.

The article further quotes him as saying that “when an entire country becomes afraid for their sovereignty, for their safety, they will embrace ideas and strategies and positions that they might not embrace otherwise.”
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A5649-2003Apr10

[Minstrel Boy]

9. Ritter's justification for the Hitler comparison:

"Bush as Hitler? Maybe not in terms of a point-by-point comparison (we have yet to kill six million Jews, but we are racking up an impressive number of Muslims, including the one and a half million that have died of starvation and disease during the decade of US-led sanctions in Iraq), but the PNAC posse comes dangerously close - too close - to mirroring the fascist model of global domination that Americans and the rest of the world rejected when defeating the Nazi Germany led by Adolf Hitler."

- Frontier Justice, pgs 188-189.

[Petrodollar Warfare]

10. "Gernany had its Reichstag fire. America had 9/11"...

...page 190. Ritter's comparison involved civil liberties and other issues as well. Both events where insidiously used to fundamentally change/undermine the way the nation's political process was run, and to create a constant atmosphere of fear - to justify inexcusable foreign policies of course. Setting aside Hitler's "Final Solution" - the parallels are quite salient - IMO...and when a German politician starts saying the US reminds them of Nazi Germany - you know something has gone terribly terribly wrong in our country...

[Media_Lies_Daily]

12. You're obviously not paying attention...

...but if you're paying ANY attention to Dennis Miller, you've proven that your analytical skills are not up to the task.

[RichM]

13. It isn't Bush's "being ethically challenged" that makes the comparison

a realistic one. It's that he's already launched wars of aggression, murdered thousands of innocents, trashed the US Bill of Rights, fatally corrupted the media, & stolen billions of dollars from the US Treasury for his family & cronies.

You say of Hitler that "his foreign policy is not the first thing that jumps to mind." That betrays a rather limited historical perspective. Aside from the Holocaust itself, Hitler singlehandedly launched World War II. That is no small potatoes. When you think of Hitler, BOTH things should jump to mind -- not just one of them.

[Sperk]

11. Now there's a Republican I can respect....

the Republican party would do well to model themselves after Scott Ritter. How nice would it be to have an opposition party that you could RESPECTFULLY disagree with?