ABC News reconstructs Kennedy assassination, confirms Warren Commission co

[RamboLiberal]

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/10/27/entertainment1555EST0649.DTL

ABC News has conducted an exhaustive investigation of the Kennedy assassination, complete with a computer-generated reconstruction, which irrefutably confirms that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, the network said Monday.

A two-hour special on the event is scheduled to air Nov. 20, two days before the 40th anniversary of President John F. Kennedy's killing.

"It leaves no room for doubt," said Tom Yellin, executive producer of the special, narrated by Peter Jennings. He called the results of the ABC's study "enormously powerful. It's irrefutable."

The conclusion that Oswald alone shot Kennedy during a motorcade in Dallas mirrors that of the Warren Commission, the official government inquiry into the assassination. Even today, public opinion surveys find that less than half of Americans believe there was more than one shooter, said Gary Mack, curator of the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza in Dallas.

[Ouabache]

1. Funny how every 5 years or so there is a designated network propjob

propjob= propaganda job

I think they just rotate the assignment between networks to do a 'study' and come out with another apology for the Warren Report.

I know CBS has done one before. I imagine NBC already has too. When does Faux get in the rotation? Probably on the 50th anniversary.

[protect freedom impeach bush now]

2. Bush Family Evil Empire whitewash "greatest hoax ever.."

Even Nixon's White House transcipts call the Warren
Commission 'the biggest fraud ever'


Bush Evil Empire was pissed because of in their warped
minds - JFK had let the Bay of Pigs fail.

The Bay of Pigs was BushSR's "baby".


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Just released Nixon tapes on which Nixon is tape recorded
saying the Warren Commission was "the greatest hoax ever.."
So did BushSR-CIA KILL KENNEDY ?
BushSR was CIA agent
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1848000/1848157.stm

excerpt -

In the same conversation, Nixon gave new fodder for conspiracy theorists who question whether Lee Harvey Oswald was the only shooter involved in the assassination of President John Kennedy.

Referring to the report by the Warren Commission, "it was the greatest hoax that has ever been perpetuated," Nixon said. He did not elaborate why he questioned the report.

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The Kennedy Assasination:
The Nixon-Bush Connection
http://www.sumeria.net/politics/kennedy.html

[tom_paine]

7. Nixon was right. He knew it was a hoax becuase he knew who killed

JFK, RFK and MLK.

What a "lucky trifecta" for the Nixon Crime Family, eh?

And what other "trifecta-loving" Crime Family was the one Crew of the Nixon Crime Family thate scaped watergate unscathed???

[AntiCoup2K4]

61. Actually, there was no "Nixon Crime Family"

It was Prescott Bush who brought Dick Nixon into politics, and Tricky Dicky was part of the Bush Criminal Empire from then all the way through Watergate. So it wasn't a case of another criminal organization, but the exact same one that's been there, creating evil dictators from Hitler to Hussein and then knocking them down in the most profitable way possible.

[aquart]

3. Computer-generated based on what input?

Irrefutable my ass.

[stopthegop]

4. fasten your seat belt...

it's a matter of religion for many that Kennedy was killed by:
CIA/Mafia/Army/Oil companies/whoever they don't like...

[protect freedom impeach bush now]

6. BFEE killed JFK

Just released Nixon tapes on which Nixon is tape recorded
saying the Warren Commission was "the greatest hoax ever.."

So did BushSR-CIA KILL KENNEDY ?
BushSR was CIA agent

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1848000/1848157.stm

excerpt -

In the same conversation, Nixon gave new fodder for conspiracy theorists who question whether Lee Harvey Oswald was the only shooter involved in the assassination of President John Kennedy.

Referring to the report by the Warren Commission, "it was the greatest hoax that has ever been perpetuated," Nixon said. He did not elaborate why he questioned the report.

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The Kennedy Assasination:
The Nixon-Bush Connection
http://www.sumeria.net/politics/kennedy.html

[Faygo Kid]

5. It's NEVER "irrefutable"

And it never will be, whatever the tests shown. I don't know if he acted alone or not, but the JFK assassination remains the single most searing public event of my life - and I was 12 years old. Lots of hoopla coming up. Just bought the Life Magazine 40th anniversary commemoration issue today.

[Rich Hunt]

8. all this means is that

....Oswald shot Kennedy.

And no, I don't think it was the "BFEE".

[ComerPerro]

9. I think Oswald killed Kennedy

Why else would he have been shot before he got a chance to speak for himself.

But I don't think he was just a lone psychotic.

I am guessing he was a tool of the Reich Wing. They needed someone to take the fall, and they found someone who they could provoke to commit the crime. Then, they arrested him and had him killed. That is just a theory based on, ... well, nothing.

But I think it seems likely that there was just one gunman, and that it was actually Oswald.

[jeter]

55. Of course Oswald killed Kennedy

I used to believe in a conspiracy. But the facts don't measure up. What a coincidence that Oswald had a job at the school book depository for months before Kennedy's trip was even planned and gun shots rang out from there.

I watched this special a couple of years ago where these conspiracy buffs (who believed the shots came from the Grassy Knowl) wanted to use lasers to prove their point.

Their conclusion? That all three shots came from behind.

The shots that killed Kennedy:

One shot missed.

One shot hit him in the throat, exited, and hit Connelly in the back and exited, passing through his wrist and landing into his leg. It is hardly unusal for a shot to change direction when it hits someone.

One shot hit Kennedy in the head.

Three shots. All accounted for.

The timeline used in Oliver Stone's JFK is simply wrong. You don't start counting the time it takes to shoot off three shots until AFTER, not BEFORE, the first shot is fired.

Example. Shoot. Reload. Shoot. Reload. Shoot. It would only take 5.2 seconds to pull that off (according to the figures used in JFK) - there was a 6.4 second duration of all the shots fired that day in Dallas.

Most things in Oliver Stone's JFK are simply wrong.

Clay Shaw, admitted working for the CIA. However, his association with the agency had to do with international trade. He was the director of Louisiana Trade Mart after all.

Only one person testified that Shaw was in fact "Clay Bertrand." A police officer who was at the time suspended and later fired for giving perjury in two other unrelated cases. The judge was right for disallowing his testimony.

And on and on.

The premise of JFK, was that Kennedy was about to withdraw from Vietnam and the military-industrial complex were upset about this and killed him for it.

But where is the proof that JFK was going to withdraw from Vietnam? One interview with Walter Cronkite? The same interview where he says that he believes "it would be a mistake to withdraw." This two months before he was killed?

The mafia? The mafia are too chickenshit to pull off something like this. And Robert Kennedy himself, who was investigating the mafia as Attorney General looked into charges that the mafia was involved and found them lacking in the ability to do so.

Castro? He was trying to avoid another US invasion at all costs. I don't see how smart that would be to shoot the President of the United States, if you don't want the US to invade.

A lot of the conspiracy theory falls apart when you examine it closely.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

72. More disinformation...what a surprise....

....NOT.

HSCA concluded that there WAS a conspiracy to kill JFK. They also concluded based on a commissioned sound study in Dealey Plaza that at least one of the shots was fired from the Grassy Knoll. Quite a few eyewitnesses also placed a shot coming from the knoll.

Do your homework and quit spreading lies.

About the number of shots fired...can you explain the following Commission Exhibits?

Tony Marsh JFK Limo Photo Archive
<http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/TM-L.html>

Pay particular attention to Commission Exhibits 349z, 350, and 350m.

Let's see if we can summarize your thinking...the so-called "Magic Bullet", an invention of Arlen Specter who is now a U. S. Senator, not only passed through two full-grown men (JFK first followed by Connally), but also created the cracked windshield and dented rear-view mirror, but also left a dent in the chrome above the windshield itself. Very interesting.

Okay...how about this one?

The Presidential Limousine Windshield Bullet Hole and The "Hole is a Hole" Theory
<http://www.mindspring.com/~pamelam1/hole1.html>

Excerpt:

"Who saw a 'hole' and Where?

Parkland Hospital

Stavis Ellis/Freeman - Two DPD motorcycle policemen. Ellis is on record (_No More Silence_) as saying he saw a hole low on the windshield; both have told interviewers they put a 'pencil' through the hole; also are on record saying they 'could have' put a pencil through the hole.

Evangelea Glanges - Nursing student at Parkland Hospital; did not volunteer a location for the 'hole', and was not asked by interviewers Weldon or Palamara; maintains that she leaned on 100X, noticed the hole, commented on it and at that point an Secret Service agent drove the car away. Also documented in "Conspiracy of Silence".

Richard Dudman - Highly respected reporter for St. Louis Post-Dispatch. On record in "Assassination Science" as claiming their was a 'hole' in the windshield in a newspaper article; location of hole is referenced by colleague Livingston as being 'high' on the windshield. This has not been corroborated by Dudman who, to date, refuses to talk about the assassination."

And how about this?:

CHAPTER III. THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE: ALTERED/CHANGED/PLANTED,
or REAL?

<http://pages.prodigy.net/whiskey99/chapter3.htm>

Scroll down...

"j) FBI tests of CE 139's accuracy showed that the rifle was:

1) inaccurate from 15 yards (CE 549),

2) carrying a scope that was mounted for a left-handed shooter (CE 2560); , and

3) unable to be sighted in, using the scope, without the installation of 2 metal shims, which were not present when the rifle arrived for testing nor notated in any previous description of CE 139 (3 WCH Pg 440-445).

Nothing resembling a shim was found at the TSBD, Oswald's room in Oak Cliff or on his person, when arrested.

k) During efforts, supervised by the FBI, to duplicate the shooting accuracy allegedly achieved, no FBI, military or civilian (National Rifle Association) expert was ever able to match the concluded performance, while using CE 139 in the condition it was found, within the time frame established and under conditions similar to those faced by a shooter crouched in the 6th floor window of the TSBD. These re-creations took place on November 27, 1963, March 16, 1964, and March 27, 1964. None of these attempts were made under circumstances that came even remotely close to the difficulties and pressures that would have been encountered by a gunman in that 6th floor window, and still they all failed to duplicate the feats attributed to Oswald. Later efforts, sponsored by the HSCA Firearms Panel, were successful in hitting three stationary targets, within the time frames. However, they used a different rifle, albeit a similar Mannlicher-Carcano and fired using open-sights, instead of the scope, and again, from a different position, angle and under different circumstances than would have been encountered by LHO, or anyone else crouched in the 6th floor window of the TSBD.

(3 WCH 390-430)

In addition, the HSCA testimony of Firearms Panel member Monty Lutz shows his opinion of the scope:

Mr. LUTZ. This is a four-power Ordinance Optics telescopic sight with a crosshair reticle.

Mr. MCDONALD. Would you in your opinion classify it as an accurate scope?

Mr. LUTZ. The accuracy is fairly undependable, as far as once getting the rifle sighted in and it is very cheaply made, the scope itself has a crosshair reticle that is subject to movement or being capable of being dislodged from dropping, from impact, or a very sharp recoil. So the accuracy would be somewhat questionable for this particular type of a scope.

(HSCA Vol 1, pg 449)

Why the HSCA experts did not use the real exhibit is another valid question that has never been answered. Perhaps it was because the original examination by the FBI in 1963-1964 showed that CE 139 was inaccurate at 15 yards or someone involved knew the shooting could not be duplicated using that weapon.

Former HSCA Firearms Panel member Lutz, an expert rifleman himself, later confirmed these failures. He stated, in a 1986 mock Oswald trial sponsored by the BBC, that to his knowledge, no one had ever duplicated LHO's alleged shooting feats, using CE 139 in the condition it was found. Also in this regard, Craig Roberts, a Marine Corps sniper with combat experience in Vietnam , professional law enforcement officer, and world-class rifleman, states in his book Kill Zone , that even using his precise equipment loaded with match rounds, he could not have equaled the shooting process assumed by the Warren Commission to have taken place. It is very hard to disregard such statements by an expert who has actually looked out on Elm St from the "sniper's window". Mr. Roberts is not the only expert to feel this way.

In fact, efforts to duplicate the shooting expertise were attempted by agencies within the governments of Cuba, Israel and the USSR. All reached the same conclusion: The shooting, as outlined by the Warren Commission was virtually impossible!

The time frames required were established by the FBI after the review and calculation of time between shots shown on the Zapruder film, also taking into consideration the time required to operate CE 139 and the view from the 6th floor. The HSCA findings concluded that only if Oswald had fired using open sights, could he have fired 3 shots accurately within the WCR time frames. No possible scenario that included any additional gunmen was ever considered meaning all shots must have come from that rifle and during the designated time frames."

And did you know that the CIA had a 201 personnel file on Oswald? What do think that meant? Did you also know that Oswald was a radar operator for the USMC at Atsugi Air Force Base, and that his primary duty was tracking the take-offs and landings of the U-2 spy plane? How does a guy like that become an assassin?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

60. You need to do a little more homework...

...on Oswald.

Here's some information you can start with:

"j) FBI tests of CE 139's accuracy showed that the rifle was:

1) inaccurate from 15 yards (CE 549),

2) carrying a scope that was mounted for a left-handed shooter (CE 2560); , and

3) unable to be sighted in, using the scope, without the installation of 2 metal shims, which were not present when the rifle arrived for testing nor notated in any previous description of CE 139 (3 WCH Pg 440-445).

Nothing resembling a shim was found at the TSBD, Oswald's room in Oak Cliff or on his person, when arrested.

k) During efforts, supervised by the FBI, to duplicate the shooting accuracy allegedly achieved, no FBI, military or civilian (National Rifle Association) expert was ever able to match the concluded performance, while using CE 139 in the condition it was found, within the time frame established and under conditions similar to those faced by a shooter crouched in the 6th floor window of the TSBD. These re-creations took place on November 27, 1963, March 16, 1964, and March 27, 1964. None of these attempts were made under circumstances that came even remotely close to the difficulties and pressures that would have been encountered by a gunman in that 6th floor window, and still they all failed to duplicate the feats attributed to Oswald. Later efforts, sponsored by the HSCA Firearms Panel, were successful in hitting three stationary targets, within the time frames. However, they used a different rifle, albeit a similar Mannlicher-Carcano and fired using open-sights, instead of the scope, and again, from a different position, angle and under different circumstances than would have been encountered by LHO, or anyone else crouched in the 6th floor window of the TSBD.

(3 WCH 390-430)

In addition, the HSCA testimony of Firearms Panel member Monty Lutz shows his opinion of the scope:

Mr. LUTZ. This is a four-power Ordinance Optics telescopic sight with a crosshair reticle.

Mr. MCDONALD. Would you in your opinion classify it as an accurate scope?

Mr. LUTZ. The accuracy is fairly undependable, as far as once getting the rifle sighted in and it is very cheaply made, the scope itself has a crosshair reticle that is subject to movement or being capable of being dislodged from dropping, from impact, or a very sharp recoil. So the accuracy would be somewhat questionable for this particular type of a scope.

(HSCA Vol 1, pg 449)

Why the HSCA experts did not use the real exhibit is another valid question that has never been answered. Perhaps it was because the original examination by the FBI in 1963-1964 showed that CE 139 was inaccurate at 15 yards or someone involved knew the shooting could not be duplicated using that weapon.

Former HSCA Firearms Panel member Lutz, an expert rifleman himself, later confirmed these failures. He stated, in a 1986 mock Oswald trial sponsored by the BBC, that to his knowledge, no one had ever duplicated LHO's alleged shooting feats, using CE 139 in the condition it was found. Also in this regard, Craig Roberts, a Marine Corps sniper with combat experience in Vietnam , professional law enforcement officer, and world-class rifleman, states in his book Kill Zone , that even using his precise equipment loaded with match rounds, he could not have equaled the shooting process assumed by the Warren Commission to have taken place. It is very hard to disregard such statements by an expert who has actually looked out on Elm St from the "sniper's window". Mr. Roberts is not the only expert to feel this way.

In fact, efforts to duplicate the shooting expertise were attempted by agencies within the governments of Cuba, Israel and the USSR. All reached the same conclusion: The shooting, as outlined by the Warren Commission was virtually impossible!

The time frames required were established by the FBI after the review and calculation of time between shots shown on the Zapruder film, also taking into consideration the time required to operate CE 139 and the view from the 6th floor. The HSCA findings concluded that only if Oswald had fired using open sights, could he have fired 3 shots accurately within the WCR time frames. No possible scenario that included any additional gunmen was ever considered meaning all shots must have come from that rifle and during the designated time frames."

And did you know that the CIA had a 201 personnel file on Oswald? What do think that meant?

[Parche]

10. BS

And on the telling Zapruder film
the famous head shot, he falls back and to the side
now tell me, if he was shot from the back, would
he not be in Connolly's lap?
And it also was proven that the limo driver slowed down
at that time, why?
Why did the Secret Service push LBJ to the floor
and they let the shots hit Kennedy?
Who had the power to do this at that time
The CIA

And also why was Nixon and Bush Sr in Dallas that day?
Bush Sr was CIA, once CIA always CIA
And during the Eisenhower admin, when Nixon was VP
he had dealings with the CIA

[protect freedom impeach bush now]

17. BushSR was CIA. BushSR was Bay of Pigs.

Think.


Who was madder than hell at JFK ?
BushSR and the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Who was mad at JFK for stopping the implementing
OPERATION NORTHWOODS ?
The Joint Chiefs of Staff's and its Chairman.
And a One - GEORGE H BUSH. The same Bush in planning
The Bay of Pigs - yes - that BUSHSR.

Who was in Texas on day JKF was killed ?

BushSR - CIA


Who stated that he couldnt remember where he was
when JFK was shot?

BushSR

[Freddie Stubbs]

27. Bush became CIA director in 1975 -- does he own a time machine?

[WilliamPitt]

28. Thank god for the flux capacitor

That's one of the :tinfoilhat: things that bugs me - the idea that Bush Sr. has any power over the CIA. He was there for a year, and was a political appointee. No muscle.

[protect freedom impeach bush now]

35. BushSR was CIA in 1963

see Hoover memo : "Bush of CIA"

see Bay of Pigs

see names of Bay of Pigs boats used

see Joint Chiefs of Staff plan to terrorize and murder
to 'justify' to American public the military's
lustto start a war with CUBA - OPERATION NORTHWOODS

[WilliamPitt]

38. Links?

[protect freedom impeach bush now]

40. gimme a few minute to round 'em up her's a link

..surely you have seen the Hoover memo before....

its been posted here at DU quite a few times over the past
couple of years....bartcop has had it posted also.

then the names of Bay of Pigs boats have been linked to
BushSR. Linked because the names refer to Bush business
and Bush family members

geeme a few minutes to see if i had saved the links,
otherwise i'll post it tomorrow IF another DUer doest by then

:)

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on edit here's ya go.

but i have another, a better source, gimme some time to dig it up....



http://www.tarpley.net/bush8b.htm

George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography --- by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin
CHAPTER VIII-b - THE BAY OF PIGS AND THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION

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42. THE NATION July 1988 Hoover Memo on Bush CIA 1963

dont have the archived linkto THE NATION article

but this should do.....


http://inquirer.gn.apc.org/bush_story.html

"The Man Who Wasn't There, 'George Bush,' C.I.A. Operative" By Joseph McBride

THE NATION, July 16/23, 1988

Vice President George Bush's resume is his most highly touted asset as a candidate. But a recently discovered F.B.I. memorandum raises the possibility that, like many resumes, it omits some facts the applicant would rather not talk about: specifically, that he worked for the Central Intelligence Agency in 1963, more than a decade before he became its director.

The F.B.I. memorandum, dated November 29, 1963, is from Director J. Edgar Hoover to the State Department and is subject-headed "Assassination of President John F. Kennedy November 22, 1963." In it, Hoover reports that the Bureau had briefed "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" shortly after the assassination on the reaction of Cuban exiles in Miami. A source with close connections to the intelligence community confirms that Bush started working for the agency in 1960 or 1961, using his oil business as a cover for clandestine activities.


____________________________
That memo also provides insight as to the qualifications for why George Bush was selected Director for Central Intelligence in 1976, during a period when the CIA was washing its dirty linen and allegedly reforming itself.

Here are some excerpts from the NATION:

Informed of this memorandum, the Vice President's spokesman, Stephen Hart, asked, "Are you sure it's the same George Bush?" After talking to the Vice President, Hart quoted him as follows: "I was in Houston, Texas, at the time and involved in the independent oil drilling business. And I was running for the Senate in late '63." "Must be another George Bush," added Hart.

Because the Vice President's response seemed something of a non-denial denial (he described what else he was doing rather than specifically denying C.I.A. involvement), I put the following queries to him via Hart:

Did you do any work with or for the CIA prior to the time you became its director?

If so, what was the nature of your relationship with the agency, and how long did it last?

Did you receive a briefing by a member of the F.B.I. on anti-Castro Cuban activities in the aftermath o the assassination of President Kennedy?

Half an hour later, Hart called me back to say that he had *not* spoken again to the Vice President about the matter, but would answer the questions himself. The answer to the first question was no, he said, and so he could skip number two.


"This is the first time I've ever heard this," C.I.A. spokesman Bill Devine said when confronted with the allegations of the Vice President's involvement with the agency in the early 1960s. "I'll see what I can find out and call you back." The next day Devine called back with the terse official response, "I can neither confirm nor deny." Told what the Vice President's office had said, and asked if he could check whether there had been another George Bush in the C.I.A., Devine seemed to become a bit nonplused: "twenty-seven years ago? I doubt that very much. In any event, we have a standard policy of not confirming that anyone is involved in the C.I.A."


Hoover's memo, which was written to the director of the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research, was buried among the 98,755 pages of F.B.I. documents released to the public in 1977 and 1978 as a result of the Freedom of Information Act suits. It was written to summarize the briefings given to Bush and Capt. William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency by the F.B.I.'s W.T. Forsyth on November 23, the day after the assassination, when Lee Harvey Oswald was still alive to be interrogated about his connections to Cuban exiles and the C.I.A. The briefing was held, according to the F.B.I. director, because the States Department feared that "some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U.S. policy, which is not true." Hoover continues:

"Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matter in the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning Cuba, the feeling that the President's death represents a great loss not only to the U.S. but to all of Latin America. These sources know of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba.

"An informant who has furnished reliable information in the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami has advised that these individuals are afraid that the assassination of the President may result in strong repressive measures being taken against them, and although pro-Castro in their feelings, regret the assassination.

"The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency..."

MORE.....

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45. photo of Hoover's Bush Cia memo

http://www.bobharris.com/cooldocs/bushmemo.htm



Bush memo:
This FBI memo surfaced in 1988 as George Bush first ran for President. From J. Edgar Hoover to the State Dept., the memo concerns a meeting between FBI, CIA, and DIA guys in Texas the day after JFK was assassinated. Apparently they talked about how Cuban exiles felt about the whole thing, but that's not the point. Check the last line:

"The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to us,
George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency, and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963, by W. T. Forsyth of this Bureau."

Our George Bush says with a straight face that he had nothing to do with the CIA until he was named its Director in 1976, at a time of heightened public scrutiny of CIA assassination stuff, by Gerald Ford (a member of the Warren Commission, as it happens, but I digress).

But could the guy in the memo be our George Bush, working for the CIA more than 12 years earlier than he admits? Maybe.

The CIA took the unusual step of specifically naming a different George Bush as the guy in the memo. But when The Nation found the other George Bush, he pretty clearly wasn't the guy.

Our George Bush was definitely in Texas, and we know from other memos he was definitely in touch with the FBI during the period.

That's pretty much where the matter rests.

[protect freedom impeach bush now]

47. Bay of Pigs - names of boats

still looking for the other source, but this should be a start....

NOTE

8- For the names of the ships at the Bay of Pigs, see Quintin Pino Machado, La Batalla de Giron (La Habana: Editorial de Ciencias Sociales, 1983), pp. 79-80. This source quotes one ship as the Barbara J." See also Schumacher, Operation Pluto, pp. 98-99. See also Peter Wyden, Bay of Pigs, The Untold Story (New York: Simon and Shuster, 1979), which also has the Barbara J. According to Quintin Pino macahdo, the Houston had been given the new name of Aguja (Swordfish) and the Barbara that of Barracuda for the purposes of this operation.


here are the rest of the NOTES from the Bush book......


George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography --- by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin

CHAPTER VIII-b - THE BAY OF PIGS AND THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION





NOTES

1- Joseph McBride, "'George Bush,' CIA Operative," The Nation, July 16, 1988.
2- Georgie Anne Geyer, Guerilla Prince (Boston: Little, Brown, 1991).
3- Felix Rogriquez, Shadow Warrior (New York: Simon and Shuster, 1989).
4- On Pluto, see the East German study by Guenter Schumacher, Operation Pluto (Berlin, Deutscher Militaerverlag, 1964).
5- E. Howard Hunt, Give Us This Day (New Rochelle: Arlington House, 1973), p. 214.
6- Secret Agenda.
7- For Operation Zapata, see Michael R. Beschloss, The Crisis Years: Kennedy and Khrushchev, 1960-63 (New York: Edward Burlingame Books, 1991), p. 89.
8- For the names of the ships at the Bay of Pigs, see Quintin Pino Machado, La Batalla de Giron (La Habana: Editorial de Ciencias Sociales, 1983), pp. 79-80. This source quotes one ship as the Barbara J." See also Schumacher, Operation Pluto, pp. 98-99. See also Peter Wyden, Bay of Pigs, The Untold Story (New York: Simon and Shuster, 1979), which also has the Barbara J. According to Quintin Pino macahdo, the Houston had been given the new name of Aguja (Swordfish) and the Barbara that of Barracuda for the purposes of this operation.
9- Howard Hunt, Give Us This Day, pp. 13-14.
10- Theodore Sorenson, Kennedy (New York: Bantam, 1966), p. 329.
11- Sorenson, Kennedy, p. 723.
12- Arthur M. Schlesinger, A Thousand Days (Boston, 1965), p. 339.
13- See Warren Hinckle and William W. Turner, The Fish is Red (New York: Harper and Row, 1981), p. 112 ff.
14- Report to the President by the Commission on CIA Activities Within the United States (Washington: US Goverment Printing Office, 1975), pp. 251-267.
15- Jim Marrs, "Widow disputes suicide," Fort Worth Evening Star-Telegram, May 11, 1978
16- A photocopy of George de Mohrenschildt's personal address book is preserved at the Assassination Archives and Research Center, Washington, DC. The Bush entry is also cited in Mark Lane, Plausible Denial (New York: Thunder's Mouth Press, 1991), p. 332.
17- For de Mohrenschildt, see Mark Lane, Plausible Denial, Edward Jay Epstein, Legend: The Secret World of Lee Harvey Oswald (London: Hutchinson, 1978); C. Robert Blakey and Richard N. Billings, The Plot to Kill the President (New York: Times Books, 1981); and Robert Sam Anson, "They've Killed The President!" (New York: Bantam, 1975).
18- Report of the Warren Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy (New York: Bantam, 1964), p. 262.
19- Miguel Acoca, "FBI: 'Bush' called about JFK killing," San Francisco Examiner, August 25, 1988.
20- Joseph McBride, "'George Bush,' CIA Operative," The Nation, July 16/23, 1988, p. 42
21- Joseph McBride, "Where Was George?", The Nation, August 13/20, 1988, p. 117.
22- United States District Court for the District of Columbia, Civil Action 88-2600 GHR, Archives and Research Center v. Central Intelligence Agency, Affidavit of George William Bush, September 21, 1988.

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49. ..Hints of the covert presence of George Bush

more Bush book excerpts -



..Hints of the covert presence of George Bush are scattered here and there around the Bay of Pigs invasion. According to some accounts, the code name for the Bay of Pigs was Operation Pluto. 4 But Bay of Pigs veteran Howard Hunt scornfully denies that this was the code name used by JM/WAVE personnel; Hunt writes: "So perhaps the Pentagon referred to the Brigade invasion as PLUTO. CIA did not." 5 But Hunt does not tell us what the CIA code name was, and the contents of Hunt's Watergate era White House safe, which might have told us the answer, were of course "deep-sixed" by FBI Director Patrick Gray. One code name frequently used by CIA Miami Station personnel appears to have been "Don Eduardo," roughly the Spanish equivalent of "Mr. Edward" or perhaps "Mr. Ed." 6

According to reliable sources and published accounts, the CIA code name for the Bay of Pigs invasion was Operation Zapata, and the plan was so referred to by Richard Bissell of the CIA, one of the plan's promoters, in a briefing to President Kennedy in the Cabinet Room on March 29, 1961. 7 Does Operation Zapata have anything to do with Zapata Offshore? The run-of-the-mill Bushman might respond that Emiliano Zapata, after all, had been a public figure in his own right, and the subject of a recent Hollywood movies starring Marlon Brando. As J. Hugh Liedtke had observed, he was the classic figure for the revolutionary-cum-bandit. A more knowledgeable Bushman might argue that the main landing beach, the Playa Giron, is located south of the city of Cienfuegos on the Zapata Peninula, on the south coast of Cuba.

Then there is the question of the Brigade 2506 landing fleet, which was composed of five older freighters bought or chartered from the Garcia Steamship Lines, bearing the names of Houston, Rio Esondido, Caribe, Atlantic, and Lake Charles. In addition to these vessels, which were outfitted as transport ships, there were two somewhat better armed fire support ships, the Blagar and the Barbara. (In some sources Barbara J.) 8 The Barbara was originally an LCI (Landing Craft Infantry) of earlier vintage. Our attention is attracted at once to the Barbara and the Houston, in the first case because we have seen George Bush's habit of naming his combat aircraft after his wife, and, in the second case, because Bush was at this time a resident, booster, and Republican activist of Houston, Texas. But of course, the appearance of names like "Zapata," Barbara, and Houston can by itself only arouse suspicion, and proves nothing.

After the ignominious defeat of the Bay of Pigs invasion, there was great animosity against Kennedy among the survivors of Brigade 2506, some of whom eventually made their way back to Miami after being released from Castro's prisoner of war camps. There was also great animosity against Kennedy on the part of the JM/WAVE personnel.

During the early 1950's, E. Howard Hunt had been the CIA station chief in Mexico City. As David Atlee Phillips (another embittered JM/WAVE veteran) tells us in his autobiographical account, The Night Watch, Howard Hunt had been the immediate superior of a young CIA recruit named William F. Buckley, the Yale graduate and Skull and Bones member who later founded the National Review. In his autobiographical account written during the days of the Watergate scandal, Hunt includes the following tirade about the Bay of Pigs:

MORE.........

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50. "at least 55 dummy corporations" for cover of Bay of Pigs operations

A lot of hatred was going around towards JFK from those
involved in Bay of Pigs.

1. Chairman ofJoint Chiefs of Staff wanted OPERATION NORTHWOODS.
JFK was adamantly against.

2. Hunt, of Watergate infamy, hated JFK then even wrote about it.

3. BushSR has ALWAYS been tied to anti-Castro Cuban community in Florida







..After the ignominious defeat of the Bay of Pigs invasion, there was great animosity against Kennedy among the survivors of Brigade 2506, some of whom eventually made their way back to Miami after being released from Castro's prisoner of war camps. There was also great animosity against Kennedy on the part of the JM/WAVE personnel.

During the early 1950's, E. Howard Hunt had been the CIA station chief in Mexico City. As David Atlee Phillips (another embittered JM/WAVE veteran) tells us in his autobiographical account, The Night Watch, Howard Hunt had been the immediate superior of a young CIA recruit named William F. Buckley, the Yale graduate and Skull and Bones member who later founded the National Review. In his autobiographical account written during the days of the Watergate scandal, Hunt includes the following tirade about the Bay of Pigs:


No event since the communization of China in 1949 has had such a profound effect on the United States and its allies as the defeat of the US-trained Cuban invasion brigade at the Bay of Pigs in April 1961.

Out of that humiliation grew the Berlin Wall, the missile crisis, guerrilla warfare throughout Latin American and Africa, and our Dominican Republic intervention. Castros' beachhead triumph opened a bottomless Pandora's box of difficulties that affected not only the United States, but most of its allies in the Free World. These bloody and subversive events would not have taken place had Castro been toppled. Instead of standing firm, our government pyramided crucially wrong decisions and allowed Brigade 2506 to be destroyed. The Kennedy administration yielded Castro all the excuse he needed to gain a tighter grip on the island of Jose Marti, then moved shamefacedly into the shadows and hoped the Cuban issue would simply melt away.9

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70. BBC on Bay of Pigs. and National Security Archives...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1269387.stm


for what its worth..The CIA's Bay of Pigs documents...

http://www.foia.cia.gov/bay_of_pigs.asp


BUT this is better..NATIONAL SECURITY ARCHIVES -

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB29/

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52. ex-CIA director's brother was mayor of Dallas when JFK was killed

CIA deputy Director Charles Cabell,
whose brother was the mayor of Dallas at the time Kennedy was shot.

THE FIRED CIA director's brother.
JFK FIRED the CIA director who's brother was the mayor of Dallas
in November 1963



The CIA Director JFK fired was the BROTHER of the Mayor of
Dallas the day Kennedy was killed.



..just a coincidence.


Just a coincidence that BushSR was CIA

Just a coincidence the BushSR was in Bay of Pigs



yup, like Gore Vidal said, 'America doesnt believe in conspiracies,
so we call them coincidences'

[Terwilliger]

68. I'd say he's got some links

:bounce:

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71. SO HOW DOES BUSH FIT IT?

http://www.sumeria.net/politics/cia-bush.html

Due to persistent problems with the CIA and their continual involve- ment in matters which were not their concern, Kennedy declared that he was going to shatter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the winds. Even former president Truman, who had created the CIA, expressed concerns about their behavior. Kennedy was apparently going to leave their destruction until after the next election but did start withdrawing troops from Vietnam, much to the dislike of the CIA. One of Johnson's first moves after he replaced Kennedy as president was to increase American involvement in Vietnam. It seems he owned an airline company that was contracted to fly troops back and forth across the Pacific Ocean, but that is another matter.

Later, E. Howard Hunt, on behalf of the CIA, faked cables to implicate John F. Kennedy in the assassination of South Vietnam's president, Ngo Dinh Diem. So, it is apparent that the CIA disliked Kennedy and had the means to set-up and cover-up the assassination. Now, it is known that they convinced the Warren Commission that the Soviet Union and Cuba had murdered Kennedy. They scared the members into believing that revealing this to the American public would result in a nuclear war in which millions would be killed. To further this theory, they produced fake evidence showing that Oswald had visited the Soviet and Cuban embassies in Mexico to arrange the killing and escape. The head of the CIA operations in Mexico has since admitted that no such real evidence ever existed. A Warren Commission investigator has admitted that they acted to save millions by sacrificing one man (Oswald).

The job was not too hard to pull off since former CIA-head Allen Dulles was a member of the Commission. He was the only one to attend more than half of the hearings and was also in charge of deciding what intelligence data was seen by the other members. President Johnson didn't seem to find it strange to appoint the man that Kennedy had fired to investigate his hated former boss' murder.


SO HOW DOES BUSH FIT IT?

Although he denies it, there is a growing body of evidence that George Bush was working for the CIA as early as 1961. Many feel he was actually recruited during his college days (which is when he joined the Skull and Bones Society, a front for the Illuminati). Bush claims to have been working for his own oil company during the early 1960's. It would make for a convenient front since he claims to have been off- shore on drilling rigs for weeks at a time. The rigs were located all over the world. Was he really on the rigs or was he running around on CIA business? The various biographies of Bush are all sketchy on this phase of his life.

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75. Prouty claims he delivered ships to a CIA agent George Bush

http://liberty.hypermart.net/editorials/Kennedy.htm

1961 According to the Realist, CIA official Fletcher Prouty delivers three Navy ships to agents in Guatemala to be used in the Bay of Pigs invasion. Prouty claims he delivered the ships to a CIA agent named George Bush. Agent Bush named the ships the Barbara, Houston and Zapata. Bay of Pigs invasion fails. Right-wingers blame Kennedy for failure to provide air cover. CIA loses 15 men, another 1100 are imprisoned.

1963 John F. Kennedy is assassinated. Internal FBI memo states that on November 22, a "reputable businessman" reported hearsay that a certain Young Republican "has been talking of killing the president when he comes to Houston."

According to a 1988 story in The Nation, a memo from J. Edgar Hoover states that "Mr. George Bush of the CIA" had been briefed on November 23, 1963 about the reaction of anti-Castro Cuban exiles in Miami and the assassination of President Kennedy. George says it ain't him, admits he was in Texas but can't remember where. bushwatch.net
http://www.warrencommission.com
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com

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The Kennedy Assasination: The Nixon-Bush Connection A newly discovered FBI document reveals that George Bush was directly involved in the 1963 murder of President John Kennedy. The document places Bush working with the now-famous CIA agent, Felix Rodriguez, recruiting right-wing Cuban exiles for the invasion of Cuba. It was Bush's CIA job to organize the Cuban community in Miami for the invasion. The Cubans were trained as marksmen by the CIA. Bush at that time lived in Texas. Hopping from Houston to Miami weekly, Bush spent 1960 and '61 recruiting Cubans in Miami for the invasion. That is how he met Felix Rodriguez.


You may remember Rodriguez as the Iran-contra CIA agent who received the first phone call telling the world the CIA plane flown by Gene Hasenfus had crashed in Nicaragua. As soon as Rodriguez heard that the plane crashed, he called his long-time CIA supervisor, George Bush. Bush denied being in the contra loop, but investigators recently obtained copies of Oliver North's diary, which documents Bush's role as a CIA supervisor of the contra supply network.

MORE.......

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78. BushSR's Cuban CIA buddies photographed in the Zagruder film

http://liberty.hypermart.net/editorials/Kennedy.htm

In 1988 Bush told Congress he knew nothing about the illegal supply flights until 1987, yet North's diary shows Bush at the first planning meeting Aug. 6, 1985. Bush's "official" log placed him somewhere else. Such double sets of logs are intended to hide Bush's real role in the CIA; to provide him with "plausible deniability." The problem is, it fell apart because too many people, like North and Rodriguez, have kept records that show Bush's CIA role back to the 1961 invasion of Cuba. (Source: The Washington Post, 7/10/90).

That is exactly how evidence was uncovered placing George Bush working with Felix Rodriguez when JFK was killed. A memo from FBI head J. Edgar Hoover was found, stating that, "Mr. George Bush of the CIA had been briefed on November 23rd, 1963 about the reaction of anti-Castro Cuban exiles in Miami to the assassination of President Kennedy. (Source: The Nation, 8/13/88).

On the day of the assassination Bush was in Texas, but he denies knowing exactly where he was. Since he had been the supervisor for the secret Cuban teams, headed by former Cuban police commander Felix Rodriguez, since 1960, it is likely Bush was also in Dallas in 1963. Several of the Cubans he was supervising as dirty-tricks teams for Nixon, were photographed in the Zagruder film.

In 1959 Rodriguez was a top cop in the Cuban government under Batista. When Batista was overthrown and fled to Miami, Rodriguez went with him, along with Frank Sturgis and Rafael Quintero. Officially, Rodriguez didn't join the CIA until 1967, after the CIA invasion of Cuba, in which he participated, and the assassination of JFK. But records recently uncovered show he actually joined the CIA in 1961 for the invasion of Cuba when he was recruited by George Bush. That is how Rodriguez claims he became a "close personal friend of Bush."



Then "officially" Rodriguez claims he quit the CIA in 1976, just after he was sent to prison for his role in the Watergate burglary. However, according to Rolling Stone reporters Kohn & Monks (11/3/88), Rodriguez still goes to CIA headquarters monthly to receive assignments and have his blue 1987 bulletproof Cadillac serviced. Rodriguez was asked by a Rolling Stone reporter where he was the day JFK was shot, and claims he can't remember.

[Old and In the Way]

62. I've read the boats werre named

Babara, Houston, and Zapata


Obviously each name connects to GHWB...but I've only read it on the net....never seen it in any other publication.

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34. not as director. BushSR was CIA man in 1963 per FBI memo

per FBI memo - BushSR was CIA in 1963

Hoover memo


BushSR had 'reason' to be used by those who hated JFK-

BushSR hated JFK for not supporting his buddies in
the Bay of Pigs with US military air cover that BushSR
had wanted.

BushSR likely fit right in with the Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs hatred for JFK NOT implementing OPERATION NORTHWOODS.

BushSR was CIA in Bay of Pigs
BushSR even named the 3 boats used in the Bay of Pigs.


AND just how and why would BushSR be appointed to head the
CIA over a decade later ? HE WAS CIA SINCE THE EARLY 1960s
if not quite a bit earlier, maybe early 1950s.

[Parche]

41. bush sr

Was working for the CIA at that time
in the 70's he became the CIA director

[AntiCoup2K4]

63. How many CIA directors are hired from outside the agency??

Poppy was the DIRECTOR in 75, but he was an agent as far back as the mid 50's. And even before that, Allen Dulles, the first CIA director was the same guy who helped Prescott Bush launder his Nazi money in the 1930's.

The Bushes ARE the CIA. Period.

[THUNDER HANDS]

24. LBJ?

LBJ was in the car with Kennedy at the time?

I don't remember hearing that?

[birdman]

25. LBJ was in another car

and was pushed to the floor after Secret Service
agents heard the shots.

[Must_B_Free]

11. This Thread will REALLY get interesting

as soon as some one posts the photo of Oswald standing in the doorway as Kennedy drives by...

First of all, it is unmitakeably Osawald, because he s wearing the exact same thing as he is when they haul him into the police station.

There's no way Oswald ran up 6 flights of stairs and shot Kennedy in the time that it took to round the corner.

The fact that this ABC special is coming out to attempt to glue back down an unruly trith that has come unglued - that should tell you that this titanic crime family is in the days of desparation.

[Must_B_Free]

12. This Thread will REALLY get interesting

as some one posts the photo of Oswald standing in the doorway as Kennedy drives by...

[RichM]

13. ABC hasn't yet "discovered" a stolen election, or a war based on lies.

So who the f*ck cares what they say about anything else?

Now, what is the common thread that connects all 3 of these things? That's right, class: in all 3 of these matters, it is very important to the ruling elite, that you accept their version. I don't know about you guys, but I feel a tad skeptical. :eyes:

[ComerPerro]

14. Of course they have discovered those things

Why do you think they are talking about the Kennedy assination.

The truth sucks...

[AntiCoup2K4]

64. It's obvious why they're talking about it... it's almost November

and the 40th anniversary of the murder. Guaranteed to be a whole month of media hype, and I doubt any useful information from the Busheep corporate media.

[charlie]

15. Bill Hicks

"I love talking about Kennedy. I was just down in Dallas, Texas. You know you can go down there and, er, to Dealey Plaza where Kennedy was assassinated. And you can actually go to the sixth floor of the Schoolbook Depository. It's a museum called... 'The Assassination Museum'. I think they named that after the assassination. I can't be too sure of the chronology here but... Anyway they have the window set up to look exactly like it did on that day. And it's really accurate, you know, cos Oswald's not in it."

[ConnDem]

16. So What Happened to the Leon Zapruder Film

If anyone viewing the Zapruder film can say with a straight face that it doesn't show a frontal head shot - they're clearly existing in another dimension.



:wtf:

[Padraig18]

21. Yep

I know a forensic pathologist and a retired State Police criminalist who ran the ballistics/firearms section who would both agree with you.

[Nederland]

31. Funny

I always thought that people that believed in the frontal head shot are ignorant of physics...

[zauberflote]

37. I'm with Crash Davis here in the fourth dimension

Did you ever shoot at a watermelon, or anything else with a hard shell and soft interior? Small hole in front, back blown away. The watermelon then falls forward toward the gun. That's exactly what would happen with a shot hitting Kennedy in the back of the head. Explosion out the front, the head falls back. Sorry to be so graphic.

[Minstrel Boy]

51. sorry to be even more graphic,

but the explosion wasn't out the front. The motorcycle policeman trailing to the left of the SS car was splattered with blood and brain matter, and was hit by a shard of skull so hard he thought he'd been hit by a bullet. And Dr Charles Crenshaw, resident physician who attended to Kennedy at Parkland wrote in Trauma Room One: "From the damage I saw, there was no doubt in my mind that the bullet had entered his head through the front."

[Nederland]

81. Huh?

the explosion wasn't out the front.

What? Have you even watched the Zapruder film?

[zauberflote]

82. Of course it was

Didn't you see all that red stuff coming out in front of Kennedy's head? If you want to be specific, the bullet actually came out of the top of his right forehead. Kennedy's head was down and slightly to the left, so that would make perfect sense. I'm not going to print it here but if you want to see something disturbingly graphic go to the following website and scroll down to the second photo. It clearly shows a gruesome but classic exit wound with the forehead splayed up and out. Check it out, and it's a conspiracy theory website to boot:

http://www.celebritymorgue.com/jfk/jfk-autopsy.html

There's way too much paranoia on this site.

[birdman]

18. Conspiracy theorists - Leave woodwork immediately

If you value your precious fluids.

[Octafish]

19. BFEE in business since November 22, 1963.

Their latest spin on ABC will convince a part of We the People who may not be familiar with the case. It also serves to reinforce the beliefs of those who already supported it. Great. I can smell the turd Gerald Posner a mile away and this is the first I've heard of it.

This also stands as proof for those who know anything about the case, beyond the official Warren Commission story. It shows that the government-controlled media go to any lengths to cover up the killing of President Kennedy — even 40 years later.

Amazing. Why is it so important to keep covered up? Who has that kind of power? Who benefits from keeping it covered up?

A clue — George Bush. His name is that of "Mr. George Bush of the CIA," de-briefed by J Edgar Hoover hours after the assassination. Bush also is the only man known to have been a friend of George de Mohrenschildt. Bush even had his name in de Mohrenschildt's personal address book, along with that of Lee Harvey Oswald. The day when investigators with the House Select Committee on Assassination was to interview de Mohrenschildt, he shot himself with a shotgun through his mouth. BTW: The HSCA determined the assassination was result of a conspiracy, based on the physical evidence.

http://www.noveltynet.org/content/paranormal/www.parascope.com/articles/1196/bush.htm

[pretzel4gore]

20. concrete proof that the men running ABC

are part of the conspiracy that covers up the murder of JFK, even 40 years later. No one needs any more evidence: ABC is guilty of treason and those controlling ABC should be tried and executed for it...(they should be tortured to get info too, but this is easy to say about the slimy pig sucking a**holes)...
anyone have the ABC traitors' email addy?

[birdman]

23. So ABC is a part of the conspiracy too

The CIA, the FBI, the news media, several different
administrations. And it's all gone on for 40 years
and not one person among all those who are aware of it
has come forward with the evidence
that would make them rich and famous.


Frisk that Jennings guy, I think he's got the strawberries.

[Minstrel Boy]

33. Operation Mockingbird

Read about it, before you dismiss out of hand the compromising of the corporate media.

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36. media manipulation top CIA budget item

see US Congressional Report...

PIKE REPORT
http://jeremybigwood.net/AJR/Intro2PikePapers.htm#The


see US Senate investigations into CIA....

CHURCH COMMITTEE

some info here...
http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointel.htm

and http://pw1.netcom.com/~ncoic/cia_info.htm



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From the text:
Introduction to the Pike Papers
by AARON LATHAM
the village VOICE
February 11, 1976

It may surprise some to discover that the largest single category of covert activity concerned tampering with free elections around the world. These election operations make up a full 32 percent of the covert action projects approved by the Forty Committee since 1965. The report says the operations usually mean "providing some form of financial election support to foreign parties and individuals. Such support could be negative as well as positive." Most of the money has gone to developing countries and generally "to incumbent moderate party leaders and heads of state." One "Third World leader" received $960,000 over a l4-year period.

The second largest covert action category is "media and propaganda." The committee found that 29 percent of the covert projects approved by the Forty Committee fell under this heading. The report says: "Activities have included support of friendly media, major propaganda efforts, insertion of articles into he local press, and distribution of books and leaflets. By far the largest single recipient has been a European publishing house funded since 1951... About 25 percent of the program has been directed at the Soviet Bloc, in the publication and clandestine import and export of Western and Soviet dissident literature."

The third largest category is "Paramilitary/Arms Transfers." These make up 23 percent of the total Forty Committee-approved. covert action, projects. Although these rank third in total numbers they rank first in expense. The committee report states: "By far the most interesting, and important fact to emerge was the recognition that the great majority of these covert action projects were proposed by parties outside CIA. Many of these programs were summarily ordered, over CIA objections. CIA misgivings, however, were at times weakly expressed, as the CIA is afflicted with a 'can do' attitude."





Contents

The Select Committee’s Investigation Record

Pike Committee, 1976

This document was an internal document that was leaked to the Village Voice

Part 2c. Manipulation of the Media

The free flow of information, vital to a responsible and credible press, has been threatened as a result of CIA’s use of the world media for cover and for clandestine information-gathering.

There are disturbing indications that the accuracy of many news stories has been undermined as well. Information supplied to the Committee suggests that some planted, falsified articles have reached readers in the U.S.

Intelligence agencies have long prized journalists as informants and identity-covers. Newsmen generally enjoy great mobility, and are often admitted to areas denied to ordinary businessmen or to suspected intelligence types. Not expected to work in one fixed location, both bona fide journalists and masquerading intelligence officers can move about without arousing suspicions. They also have extraordinary access to important foreign leaders and diplomats.

CIA, as no doubt every other major intelligence agency in the world, has manipulated the media. Full-time foreign correspondents for major U.S. publications have worked covertly for CIA, passing along information received in the normal course of their regular jobs and even, on occasion travelling to otherwise non-newsworthy areas to acquire data. Far more prevalent is the Agency's practice of retaining free-lancers and "stringers" as informants. A stringer working in a less-newsworthy country could supply stories to a newspaper, radio, and a weekly magazine, none of whom can justify a full-time correspondent. This may make the use of stringers even more insidious than exploitation of full-time journalists.

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[Must_B_Free]

43. hey birdman

did the Nazis participate in a conspiracy, and was German media "part of the conspiracy too"?

[birdman]

48. Seems to me the Nazis were a political party

that assumed totalitarian control of Germany. Totalitarian
states generally make a point of controlling news sources.

Don't see the relevance unless you insist that we live in a
totalitarian state without realizing it.

[bearfartinthewoods]

83. so the evidence that abc has been the most critical of bush

among the newees is what??? a cover? please...

[Unknown Known]

22. Corporate media ignoring nature and the laws of physics

1) The Zapruder film showing Kennedy's head on the first shot going back and to the left.

2) The magic bullet - there never was nor will you ever see again, a bullet such as this.

[RandomKoolzip]

26. Amazing. The brazen disregard for the conclusions all the evidence

provide is simply stunning. Literally thousands of people have independently done the research, dozens of witnesses have died under suspicious circumstances, hundreds of books outlaying plainspoken evidence pointing to a conspiracy exist for anyone to read, and any fucking body with A BRAIN knows Oswald didn't kill Kennedy. I simply cannot believe they are still trying to cover this up. I expected more from Jennings; I thought he was on our side.

Oh, that's right....if they paint the people who believe the 2000 election was stolen and that Iraq was invade to buff up Halliburton's coffers with the same brush used to downplay and smear Kennedy assassination theorists, then the right wing will be able to call EVERYbody on the left "wacko conspiracy nuts" and point to ABC's documentary as backup. UN FUCKING BELIEVEABLE.

Okay, everybody go dig up the book "The Last Investigation" by Gaeton Fonzi. Read it. Now.

[nostamj]

29. "It's irrefutable"

BS

what does the 'amazing randi' say about the MAGIC BULLET ???

simple physics disproves the WC at it's core.

BS

[mzmolly]

30. After seeing "The Men Who Killed Kennedy"

it's hard to believe that.

*From the Back Cover*
"A medical technician who was at the autopsy states categorically that the body he saw was not the one shown in the official photographs. The mortician who buried Lee Harvey Oswald reveals a startling discovery made 18 years later. A highly decorated Army officer says he was trained to eliminate key witnesses... Forty years after JFK was shot in Dallas, controversy rages around his assassination. The Men Who Killed Kennedy, an authoritative six-part series drawing on exclusive interviews with highly placed government sources and independent investigators, is the most comprehensive examination of the case ever filmed.

The Complete Story in 6 Parts:
The Coup d'Etat - A medical technician casts doubts on the official autopsy photographs, and photo analysis undermines the lone gunman theory.

The Forces of Darkness - See two shadowy figures on the grassy knoll, and find out about the "lost" home movie that contained key evidence.

The Cover-Up - An FBI agent confirms that evidence has been suppressed, and a notorious criminal is confronted about his possible role.

The Patsy - Witness Oswald's reaction when charged with the shooting, and the mortician who buried the alleged assassin reveals what he discovered 18 years later.

The Witnesses - The people who were there - but who the government chose to ignore - tell their versions of what happened at Dealey Plaza.

The Truth Shall Set You Free - See conclusive proof that the official autopsy photos were faked, and hear from an Army Colonel who says he was trained to eliminate witnesses to the assassination."

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005UW74/ref=pd_sxp_f/103-0559630-8891033

[Malva Zebrina]

32. I just picked up a copy of

David Lifton's book "Best Evidence" at a garage sale. Looks pretty good. There is still evidence that is locked up and that is not available to researchers. It is improbable that Kennedy was assassinated by a lone gunman imo. I will try to catch this program. I would like to see that irrefutable computer reconstruction.

[Minstrel Boy]

39. It's the coup d'etat, stupid

The evidence for conspiracy is enormous, and extends well beyond Dealey Plaza. It was a coup d'etat.

Not even the tip of the tip of the iceburg's fucking tip:

Oswald "undefected" from the Soviet Union and wasn't debriefed or put on a watch list, had a CIA 201 file, was greated on his return by White Russian and CIA asset George de Mohrenshildt;

Oswald was being impersonated weeks before the assassination to create the impression that he was a sharpshooter;

The Mexico City CIA station falsified evidence before the assassination that Oswald had visited the Soviet embassy;

At 12:29 on the 22nd, one minute before the assassination, the Dallas Police radio systems Channel One, reserved for officers participating in the motorcade, went dead. At 12:33, the Washington DC phone system went dead and wasn't restored for an hour;

Surgeons at Parkland Hospital saw front entry wounds, and were prevented at gunpoint from performing an autopsy;

I could go on for days, but why? It's what's kept the conspirators free, our ongoing need to refute the absurd official story. Time, finally to move beyond: it's the coup d'etat, stupid.

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53. Hunt was in CIA in charge Mexico City, read his tirade against JFK

did you know that ?

same Hunt as in Watergate

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Bush book:

excerpt -

During the early 1950's, E. Howard Hunt had been the CIA station chief in Mexico City. As David Atlee Phillips (another embittered JM/WAVE veteran) tells us in his autobiographical account, The Night Watch, Howard Hunt had been the immediate superior of a young CIA recruit named William F. Buckley, the Yale graduate and Skull and Bones member who later founded the National Review. In his autobiographical account written during the days of the Watergate scandal, Hunt includes the following tirade about the Bay of Pigs:



No event since the communization of China in 1949 has had such a profound effect on the United States and its allies as the defeat of the US-trained Cuban invasion brigade at the Bay of Pigs in April 1961.

Out of that humiliation grew the Berlin Wall, the missile crisis, guerrilla warfare throughout Latin American and Africa, and our Dominican Republic intervention. Castros' beachhead triumph opened a bottomless Pandora's box of difficulties that affected not only the United States, but most of its allies in the Free World. These bloody and subversive events would not have taken place had Castro been toppled. Instead of standing firm, our government pyramided crucially wrong decisions and allowed Brigade 2506 to be destroyed. The Kennedy administration yielded Castro all the excuse he needed to gain a tighter grip on the island of Jose Marti, then moved shamefacedly into the shadows and hoped the Cuban issue would simply melt away.9



Hunt was typical of the opinion that the debacle had been Kennedy's fault, and not the responsibility of men like Allen Dulles and Richard Bissell, who had designed it and recommended it. After the embarrassing failure of the invasion, which never evoked the hoped-for spontaneous anti-Castro insurrection, Kennedy fired Allen Dulles, his Harrimanite deputy Bissell, and CIA deputy Director Charles Cabell (whose brother was the mayor of Dallas at the time Kennedy was shot).

MORE.......

[protect freedom impeach bush now]

56. JFK fired the brother of Dallas Mayor - The CIA Director

:(


sure.....nothing to see here ......

...move along.....

[Minstrel Boy]

59. Nixon knew how dirty Hunt was

From Watergate's "smoking gun" tape of June 23 1972, it's clear Nixon feared what an investigation could reveal about Hunt:

"Of course, this is a, this is a Hunt, you will-that will uncover a lot of things. You open that scab there's a hell of a lot of things and that we just feel that it would be very detrimental to have this thing go any further. This involves these Cubans, Hunt, and a lot of hanky-panky that we have nothing to do with ourselves."

But that's not the most interesting revelation on the tape.

HR Haldeman, in his book The Ends of Power, cites several conversations where Nixon expressed concern about the Watergate affair becoming public knowledge and where this exposure might lead. Haldeman writes that he was puzzled when Nixon said, "'Tell Ehrlichman this whole group of Cubans (involved in the break-in) is tied to the Bay of Pigs.' After a pause I said, 'The Bay of Pigs? What does that have to do with this ?' But Nixon merely said, 'Ehrlichman will know what I mean,' and dropped the subject."

Later in the book, he reveals that he discovered that Nixon spoke in code about Kennedy's murder. He writes that Nixon's code for the assassination was "the Bay of Pigs."

Now here's Nixon on the tape:

"When you get in these people when you...get these people in, say: 'Look, the problem is that this will open the whole, the whole Bay of Pigs thing, and the President just feels that" ah, without going into the details... don't, don't lie to them to the extent to say there is no involvement, but just say this is sort of a comedy of errors, bizarre, without getting into it, 'the President believes that it is going to open the whole Bay of Pigs thing up again. And, ah because these people are plugging for, for keeps and that they should call the FBI in and say that we wish for the country, don't go any further into this case", period!"

See what's going on here?

Nixon is directing Haldeman to warn the FBI off probing Watergate because it could reopen the Kennedy assassination, and expects the FBI, because it has a vested interest in perpetuating the cover up, not to pry any further for the good of the country.

[RainDog]

79. In Haldeman's book, Ends of power

he claims that nixon's use of "bay of pigs" was dick's euphemism for the Kennedy Assassination.

the House investigative committee on the assassination in the 1970s (after watergate, in that brief moment in recent history when Congress was trying to rein in the CIA, too), they were FORCED, based upon accoustic evidence, to say that the evidence was consistent with a multiple gunman scenario.

as far as the CIA infiltrating all branches of American media, read up on "Project Truth" -- easily available at pulitzer-nominated Robert Parry's site Consortium online, or his book, Lost History, which talks about the plans to undermine the truth in order to carry out extra-governmental covert ops such as Iran-Contra...which ties in to BCCI, by way of funding for covert ops and people like, oh, the brother-in-law of Osama bin Laden and 11% shareholder in Harken energy, Khalid bin Mahfouz.

And of course, John Kerry, that crazy out of the mainstream nutcase was called a conspiracy theorist when he wanted to investigate what turned out to be the largest bank fraud in WORLD history.

I'm so glad that rational minds like Dick Cheney got to sign off on the findings which were released about that incident, otherwise how would we ever know the truth?

[Eloriel]

77. BINGO!!!

That's the piece I've been looking for (altho I may have known it and forgotten I knew it):

After the embarrassing failure of the invasion, which never evoked the hoped-for spontaneous anti-Castro insurrection, Kennedy fired Allen Dulles,

That clinches it for me. Absolutely, positively nails it. And the "his Harrimanite deputy Bissell" comment is only icing on the cake.

Truman created the CIA out of the WW2 equivalent. We imported a gazillion fascists (Nazis) who were adept at spying on the communist Soviets. You better believe the Bushes were still involved with them. There just isn't much known about GHWBush's involvement aside from that Hoover memo. Remember that Prescott helped finance the Nazis, as did the Harrimans. Allen Dulles was very involved with the Nazification of the CIA.

THIS bit of information is, in my opinion, the point at which the Bush branch of the CIA went "underground." Seems to me I recall that there were a lot of CIA folks let go around that time, not just Dulles. My guess is they all got good and gainfully "employed" by Bush friends and family.

I don't know if I'm making any sense or not. I've long since lost the links (and weren't we promised we could retrieve our old DU1 bookmarks?), but in my old Reality 501: A DU Course Syllabus threads, I made the case for an unbroken line of fascist influence with which the Bushes have been involved since before WW2.

You bet they killed Kennedy. You bet George Herbert Walker Bush and the CIA were involved.

Eloriel

[karlschneider]

44. Well,

"Even today, public opinion surveys find that less than half of Americans believe there was more than one shooter, said Gary Mack, curator of the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza in Dallas."
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And even today, surveys find that more than half of Americans believe Saddam Hussein was involved in the 9/11 attacks.

:grr:

[Minstrel Boy]

46. Truth and Reconciliation

The United States needs an equivalent of South Africa's truth and reconciliation commission in the worst way. Without an honest accounting of the crimes of the past 40 years, the cognitive dissonance will drive the nation mad. If it hasn't already.

[Old and In the Way]

54. Oswald ties to the CIA

I posted an article in the 9/11 forum that is about "paymaster" and "mastermind" transformations....the article uses Oswald as another example of a "terrorist" who had remarkably close ties to the CIA.

There's Something About Omar:
Truth, Lies, and The Legend of 9/11
by Chaim Kupferberg
www.globalresearch.ca , 21 October 2003
The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP310A.html

<snip>


Rather, these major players in the 9/11 Legend more closely resembled the likes of Lee Harvey Oswald and John Hinckley - men whose sudden psychopathic "transformations" occurred in the context of curious synchronicities.


In the case of Oswald, the very organization that provided the most incriminating evidence in Oswald's background also happened to be the organization most peculiarly evident in Oswald's pre-assassination biography - for it was Oswald who, in his posting at the Atsugi military base in Japan, had access to the C.I.A.'s secretive U2 spy plane program before he defected in 1959; who was one of the very few Americans ever to defect to the Soviet Union; whose very noticeable defection would have brought him under the domain of C.I.A. counter-intelligence chief James Angleton; and finally, whose most high profile associations seemed to be with individuals intimately connected to the C.I.A.'s anti-Castro operations (a fact that was systematically overlooked at the time of the Warren Commission).

In short, Oswald was well within arm's length of the C.I.A. during those very years in which he was laying his "officially" incriminating trail, much of which was retrospectively ferreted out by the C.I.A. And the punch-line to all this: the K.G.B. officer charged with handling Oswald's file once he defected to the Soviet Union - Yuri Nosenko - turned out to be a C.I.A. mole who later rashly fled to the Americans only a few months after the assassination, forcing James Angleton - the C.I.A.'s liaison to the Warren Commission - to stash Nosenko out of sight for three years in a C.I.A. dungeon, thus keeping this "smoking gun" out of the Warren Report. As for the attempted assassin of Ronald Reagan, John Hinckley, it turned out that his brother Scott was scheduled for a dinner date with Neil Bush on the very day that Reagan was shot (as reported by John Chancellor of NBC News). Is it any wonder that this Bush brother is studiously kept out of public view?

[TruthIsAll]

57. No room for doubt...that it was a conspiracy: mathematical proof

This analysis has been previously posted. But for those who have not seen it, here goes....

Take the tinfoil hats off, put your thinking caps on..

This is an analysis to compute the probability of at least 15 witnesses dying UNNATURAL deaths within one year of the JFK assassination. The deaths were a combination of homicides, suicides, accidents and undetermined origin.

Assuming there were 1000 witnesses, the probability that at least 15 would die UNNATURAL deaths in the year following the assassination is: 1 out of 21,230,606,601,227,800.
(or 1 out of 21,230 trillion, 606 billion, 601 million, 227 thousand, 800)

This result is the same order of magnitude of a famous prior, though slightly different, study: An actuary engaged by the London Times in 1963 computed the probability that 18 material witnesses would die (of any cause) within 3 years of the assassination as: 1 out of one hundred thousand trillion.

For the mystery deaths, I used this table:

http://www.noage.com/jfknetwork/death.htm

For the odds of death in each category, I used this table of 1999 mortality data:

http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm

From the 1999 data:
........................1 year...Lifetime
Probability of:
suicide.................0.000107 0.008197
homicide................0.000062 0.004739
accidental death........0.000359 0.027778
undetermined death......0.000014 0.001101

Therefore, the probability of an unnatural death is the sum of the probabilties of the four categories:
........................0.000542 0.041815

The Poisson Distribution
Although the Normal (Gaussian) probability distribution is by far the most important, there is another which has proven to be particularly useful - the Poisson Distribution, which is derived from, and is a special case of the Normal Distribution.

The Poisson Distribution applies when the probability "P" for success in any one trial is very small, but the number of trials N is so large that the expected number of successes, pN, is a moderate sized quantity. The formula is: P(m) =a**m*exp(-a)/m!

In words, the Probability of EXACTLY m successes = a to the m'th power times the exponential function of (-a), all divided by m factorial.

If m= 15, m factorial = m! = 15*14*13*12*11*10*9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1

Now lets use Poisson to determine the probability of a given number of witnesses meeting unnatural deaths within a year of the JFK assassination.
The only assumption we are making here is the number of witnesses.
Assume N= total witnesses = 1000

Let p= Probability of any individual dying from UNNATURAL causes within a given year = 0.000542
Let a= Expected Number of deaths = pN= 0.542
Let m= Actual Number of UNNATURAL deaths = 15

The probability of exactly m=15 UNNATURAL deaths within a given year out of a predefined group of N = 1000 witnesses is:

P(m) =a**m*exp(-a)/m! or p(15)= 0.542**15*exp(-.542)/15!

Here are the probabilities for m=1 through m=15 deaths.
Note:
Prob(X=m) = probability of EXACTLY m DEATHS
Prob(X>=m) = probability of at AT LEAST m DEATHS (the one we want)

m.......Prob(X=m)........Prob(X>=m)
1 3.15E-01 4.18E-01
Thus, for 1 or more deaths, Prob (X>=1)= 0.418

2 8.54E-02 1.03E-01
3 1.54E-02 1.78E-02
4 2.09E-03 2.34E-03
5 2.27E-04 2.49E-04
6 2.05E-05 2.22E-05
7 1.59E-06 1.70E-06
8 1.07E-07 1.14E-07
9 6.47E-09 6.84E-09
10 3.51E-10 3.69E-10
11 1.73E-11 1.81E-11
12 7.80E-13 8.14E-13
13 3.25E-14 3.38E-14
14 1.26E-15 1.31E-15
15 4.55E-17 4.71E-17

For 15 or more deaths,
Prob (X>=15) = 0.000000000000000047101810079330
or 1 out of 21,230,606,601,227,800

Not too likely that these deaths were mere coincidences.


What if there were more than 1000 witnesses? That's a fair question. Well, of course the probabilities will be lower (more likely to occur).

For example, if we assume 5000 witnesses, the probability of 15 deaths is 0.000000190, or 1 out of 5,239,859

column 1 refers to n, the number of deaths,
column 2 is the probability of at least n deaths,
columm 3 is the mathematical odds

Note: the years in which investigations occurred, 1964 and 1977, had the most deaths, 14 and 15. A coincidence?

1000 witnesses
n.......prob.................1 out of
1 0.418 2.39
2 0.103 9.69
3 0.0177 56.26 (1971)
4 0.0023 427 (1968,1975)
5 0.0002 484,018 (1970,74,76)
6 0.000022 45,091 (1967,1969)
7 0.00000169 588,306
8 0.000000114 8,752,118
9 0.00000000683 146,245,847 (1965)
10 0.000000000368 2,712,122,977
11 0.0000000000180 55,278,020,364
12 0.000000000000814 1,228,276,488,499 (1966)
13 0.0000000000000338 29,551,271,527,958
14 0.00000000000000130 765,351,111,903,523 (1967)

15 0.00000000000000004710 21,230,606,601,227,800 (1964)


2000 witnesses
n.......prob...........1 out of

1 .661 1.51
2 0.295 3.39
3 0.096 10.38
4 0.024 41
5 0.005 195
6 0.00089 1,113
7 0.000136 7,343
8 0.0000181 55,093
9 0.00000215 463,452
10 0.000000231 4,321,227
11 0.0000000226 44,239,588
12 0.00000000202 493,399,077
13 0.000000000167 5,954,899,756
14 0.0000000000129 77,331,852,139

15 00000000000093 1,075,228,365,705


5000 witnesses
n........prob............1 out of
1 0.933
2 .753 1.33
3 .508 1.97
4 0.288 3.47
5 0.138 7
6 .057 17
7 0.020 47
8 .00670 148
9 .00196 510
10 .00051 1,939
11 0.00012 8,070
12 0.000027 36,485
13 0.0000056 178,135
14 0.0000010 934,300

15 0.000000190 5,239,859




The House Select Committee on Assassinations could not let the actuary's results stand; it was circumstantial proof of a conspiracy.

In response to a letter from the Committee, "London Sunday Times" Legal Manager Anthony Whitaker stated:

"Our piece about the odds against the deaths of the Kennedy witnesses was, I regret to say, based on a careless journalistic mistake and should not have been published. This was realized by The Sunday Times editorial staff after the first edition - the one which goes to the United States...- had gone out, and later editions were amended. There was no question of our actuary having got his answer wrong: it was simply that we asked him the wrong question. He was asked what were the odds against 15 named people out of the population of the United States dying within a short period of time, to which he replied -correctly - that they were very high. However, if one asks what are the odds against 15 of those included in the Warren Commission Index dying within a given period, the answer is, of course, that they are much lower. Our mistake was to treat the reply to the former question as if it dealt with the latter - hence the fundamental error in our first edition report, for which we apologize".

Here is the fallacy of this obfuscation:
My calculations agree with the original study; and the probabilities are virtually the same (in the trillions). It is a fairly simple calculation - using the Poisson formula. I do not know what formula the actuary used, but it may well have been the Poisson or the Cumulative Normal Distribution.

In any case, the actuary did exactly what he was aked to do. The Times is using Orwellian-speak to give the impression that there was a mistake in the question asked to be solved. This is total obfuscation. There was NO miscommunication, here's why:

The probability that at least 15 people in the United States (pop. 280 million) would meet violent deaths in any given year is 100%. It is a certainty. On the other hand the probability that 15 out of a population of say, 1000, would do so is infinitesimal, as both my analysis and the actuary's study both show.

This settled the matter for the House Committee, which apparently made little or no attempt to seriously study the number of mysterious witness deaths which followed the JFK assassination.

[villager]

58. another link to a witness list...

...and how they died:

http://www.jfk-assassination.de/deaths.html

(oddly enough, this is the second time I've posted this on GD...today! The first was in a discussion about Jessica Lynch platoon members dying in mysteriously actuarial-defying ways...)

[papau]

85. The count of the number of names in the index of the Warren report?

A rather key number to the calculation - do you have a link?

[papau]

84. An interesting actuarial question that I have seen no work on to date

As noted by the times the original question to the actuary was answerred correctly, but was the wrong questions.

You have noted that the probability that at least 15 people in the United States (pop. 280 million) would meet violent deaths in any given year is near 100% - near a certainty. And that the probability that 15 out of a population of say, 1000, would do so is much smaller.

Yet I have never seen an age adjusted, sex adjusted , disability adjusted expected death rate for the group of several thousand (? - I have no clue how many names were in the Warren report index - which is the definition of material witness in this case) material witnesses. Todays medical exam term insurance rates are at 2 to 4 per 1000 over 50 depending on the average age in the group( at age 90 we are up to perhapss a few hundred per thousand) - and were higher back in 1963. I wonder if there was an unusual spike in the mortality.

[nomatrix]

65. Col. Fletcher Prouty

http://www.prouty.org/



"How does it happen you can have a six story building with a lot of empty floors. They never wired or sealed the doors as their manual says they will, nor had anybody on the roof with high powered guns and with radios as their manual says they will, or had a man in Dealy Plaza to look at the man on the roof and to look at the windows as their manual says they will. If you don't drive over 44 mph, a nice figure but it works out in tests, why did they bring that car down to a crawling speed. Those are more important to me than a genealogy of Lee Harvey Oswald or anybody else on the grassy knoll.I think I'll stop there. That's what I call the anatomy of assassinations. It gets you thinking, you know."

Excellent reference for the topic discussed.

[Minstrel Boy]

66. kicking this back, and to the left n/t

[Minstrel Boy]

67. Jack Ruby's statement

to reporters, after his trial:

"Everything pertaining to what's happening has never come to the surface. The world will never know the true facts, of what occurred, my motives. The people had- that had so much to gain and had such an ulterior motive for putting me in the position I'm in, will never let the true facts come above board to the world."
Reporter: "Are these people in very high positions Jack?"
Jack: "Yes."

A video clip of Ruby's statement can be downloaded here:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/neal.mccarthy/jfkvideos.htm

[JustJoe]

69. Unadulterated bullshit.

"Even today, public opinion surveys find that less than half of Americans believe there was more than one shooter, said Gary Mack, curator of the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza in Dallas."

WHAT THE FUCK????!????

In fact, consistently through the years, polls on the
assassination have shown that the great majority of the
American people, usually around 75-80%, believe that
there was in fact a conspiracy and that more than one
shooter was involved. Either Gary Mack has been misquoted
or he has become an utterly shameless lying liar.
He was once a spokesman for conspiracy, but since has sold
his nads to head up the Sixth Floor Museum, a tourist trap
and a whorehouse of lies.

[KG]

73. anyone still believe that oswald even actually hit anything?

oy!

[Terwilliger]

74. For those who question GHW being in the CIA at the time...

Do you think that ANYONE would become DCI (CIA director) without LOADS of field, administrative, and other experience? Do you think George Bush walked over to the CIA building and said "hey, this looks fun, I'll be director!"

GHW Bush was involved in WWII...what does anyone think he did from 1945 to 1975? Fry cook? Insurance sales?

Let's put it this way...1953, coup in Iran sponsored by the CIA...1958, coup in Iraq sponsored by the CIA...I'll bet old Georgie was cutting his teeth on murder and other un-American activities.

[number6]

76. more TOTAL BS from the media !!WHORENOPOLY!!

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[Minstrel Boy]

80. Robert Kennedy, June 3, 1968, speaking at

San Fernando State College, three days before his own assassination:

"Only the powers of the presidency will reveal the secrets of my brother's death."