Bob and Bill on CSPAN Now!

[VeniceBeat]

on edit: CSPAN1

Dole just gave Clinton a bottle of Grecian Formula!

[eleny]

1. Thanks!

[leetrisck]

11. Fantastic! Wouldn't it be great

to have a President again.

[Rose Siding]

2. Dole-McGovern feeding initiative

I never heard of that. WHERE are repubs that are at least PART human like Dole- NOT that he doesn't have his bad points.

[VeniceBeat]

4. Bob at Least Seems to Have a Good Heart

He's not a sociopath like the members of BushCo.

[karlschneider]

18. I believe he does too and I think he and Bill actually like each other.

I know I like both of them. ;-)

[Padraig18]

7. Dole actually supported many 'Great Society' initiatives.

He was very much behind the Food Stamp and Head Start programs.

[Dr Fate]

38. Dole is a respectful guy, for the most part...

...at least that is the impression I get...compared to the neo-cons, he's an okay sort of guy...

[Rose Siding]

3. Clinton-

Two dogs are watching a couple break dancing and one said to the other 'If we did that, they'd worm us'

How does he do it? The charm is palpable. They need to make provisions to STUDY that brain.

[xray s]

5. Bob Dole has a wicked sense of humor

Once, when he saw a picture of Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford and Nixon, he said they were "See no evil, hear no evil, and evil"

:evilgrin:

[caledesi]

33. xray...you must be from Boston, huh?

I am originally from Newport, RI and know how Bostonians use the term "wicked."

Sample: "That was wicked good party."

[madrchsod]

6. didn`t see your post...

dam, big dog is amazing!! why the fuck did we ever let the supremes steal our future????

[VeniceBeat]

8. The Big Dog's Fighting Back

He's on a roll!

[VeniceBeat]

9. Time for Questions!

Not a teleprompter in sight!

[caledesi]

36. Yeah, and no uh, em, huh, er, "there are mass graves in Iraq."

The Big Dog is brilliant!

[eleny]

10. I'm so torn!

Mike Malloy just came on the internet but these guys are so good.It's just so nice to see an R and a D being so cordial. I sure miss Clinton in the WH.

[Catherine Vincent]

13. I miss the big dog too.

[caledesi]

37. Catch MM later. Go to whitesociety.com and download the show.

Get the best of both worlds.

[VeniceBeat]

12. Interesting Background on the Moderator

Christopher Balestrero - the Queens "wrong man" whose case inspired an Alfred Hitchcock movie - regained his freedom, but he and his family were never the same.

"We were all, to some extent, affected by it," said his son Gregory Balestrero, 55, of Alexandria, Va.

...

Gregory Balestrero, who heads an engineers' trade association, said he and his older brother, Robert, 62, a truck driver in Columbia, S.C., felt the loss of their mother when she was hospitalized and the stigma of their father's arrest.

"I got over it more than my brother did," Greg Balestrero said. "He was taking a lot of crap in school ... A lot was done to keep me from understanding."

Rose Balestrero died in 1982; Manny Balestrero in February 1998, at age 88.

"Be careful of accusing anyone," Manny Balestrero told Life magazine in 1953. "Before you accuse anyone, you should think, because you can destroy a family, physically and mentally, like mine could have been destroyed."

Newsday

Interesting, no?

OK back to the discussion...

[VeniceBeat]

14. Whoa! Even Bob's Mouthing the Rethug Talking Points

Fight 'em on their streets rather than our streets... Blech!

[Gloria]

22. When Dole started with the "they hate our freedoms" crap.....I turned

the channel....and clicked back only to see if Clinton was back on....
Dole on a couple of things started sounding very political. I think Dole was esp. crappy when he said that Clinton had said the US troops would be in the Balkans for a year and they're still there. Glad Clinton came back with the fact that it was a NATO force and the force is down to 15%. I loved it when he later said that some questions had "dimensional answers" not simple answers....that there wasn't always a simple answer to problems.

Dole is still a pain in the rear. Clinton still has more class in terms of graciousness and statesmanship...

[Rooktoven]

15. they are being collegial

I'd settle for them as co-presidents (compard to the jerk we have).

The exchange about the UN in Iraq and NATO as an overseeing force was quite enlightening.

[karlschneider]

16. Grecian formula? Why not, he knows WJC don't need Viagra...

:D

[VeniceBeat]

17. Drink It Up Yum!

[kimchi]

19. Bill said something about the adults deciding now or later

to do something about the kids dying over there. Serious paraphrasing there. Anyone have the quote? He got a lot of applause--a thinly veiled slap at Bush.

The man puts all other politicians to shame. Bob is okay, although he was trying to refute the President's spiel on the global community by insisting they hate us for our freedoms. :puke:

The President (it is nice to type that again) was describing his initiative on AIDS, gathering help from countries and AIDS orgs. Way to use his influence to do good.

[texas is the reason]

20. god i miss clinton-greatest president evar!!!

i would vote him emporor for life if i could... the most inspiring, intelligent politician i have ever seen. i am too young to have experienced JFK, but i dare say clinton was in the same league...also, think what he saved us from- we had 8 years of reagan and now 4 (so far) of bush, and clinton managed to get elected despite the environment created by the media and the "win at all costs, the ends justify the means republicans" to provide an 8 year oasis of peace, budegt surplus, true democracy, and global respect and friendship between twelve years of neocon hell. i truly think clinton saved the united states from absolute destruction, against all odds...it's been 4 years- he can run again can't he?

[caledesi]

34. GAWD! I miss the "big dog" too.... <sniff>

[Blue_Roses]

21. I think Clinton said something

very poingnant about our economy and the loss of jobs. He said so many things that stood out but this one stuck with me.

He said, "that the dot.com's would have eventually died out and jobs would have been lost, but he (as President) would have been looking at the next big "exploration" (paraphrasing here) to keep our country progressing and jobs growing. For example solar and renewable energy. I like what he said about taping into new resources. This is what is so terribly wrong with Bush and why he is such an unsuccessful President. He has taken us back to the 1980's--to a time that was successful for big oil, but now it just doesn't work. This is what keeps us "stuck" and why so much of the conservatives didn't want Gore. They just can't handle change or progression.

I sure do miss Clinton.

[texas is the reason]

23. sad isn't it...

bush is a puppet for big oil, and has done more to destroy the middle class than anyone could have imagined. the FILTHY rich are now the new welfare queens of our society- bu$h wants to see a ruling class, and slaves to do thier work. no one else. and yes, i am sure that clinton would have been presceient and adaptable enough to follow and nurture the economy, and not just direct it into the pockets of his buddies..

[paulsbc]

24. the dot.coms

were a once in a lifetime event, attempting to paint it as something that he (a) started and (b) could replicate is naive and dishonest. the economy took a huge number of lumps early in the Bush presidency and now is coming back, slowly. The 'boom' of the 90s will not happen again.

clinton is a huge free trade advocate and oversaw the creation of NAFTA and other horrible trade agreements that have taken MILLIONS of US jobs. He did nothing to stop the corporate malfeasance and corruption and signed legislation that actually made CEOs and others do very anti-US and very short-term view decisions that is haunting us today.

what i want is someone who recognizes that the "clinton economy" was not this great thing that they invented or had control over, and that recognizes that many programs and policies of both Bush I, Clinton and Bush II need to be completely overhauled to set this country and our jobs right.

[Blue_Roses]

26. wrong

there you go. Clinton NEVER said that he was responsible for the dot.coms. What he did say was that he allowed and SUPPORTED progression and new ways of creating jobs.

This is just the kind of thinking that keeps us stuck. I'm so sick of people like you saying that Clinton "thinks" he was responsible for the dot.coms. Clinton DID encourage new technology. He wanted computers in schools and homes, so that everyone could benefit from this growth and THIS was in one of his SOTU addresses. He ENCOURAGED growth not stagnation.

No one is saying he was perfect, but at least he allowed Americans to USE their minds and talents for growth and allow the pockets to big business to bulge.

As far as the corporate malfeasion--he went to congress
6 TIMES and the bill could never be passed for more restrictions on big corporate.

[paulsbc]

28. please

"allowed and supported"? WTF does that mean. He had no impact on the dot com phenom. None. He was a awe-stuck bystander, just like the government usually is when it comes to the economy, trends and inventions.

As to the corporate issues, he did nothing to lead, which was his job. He fell down horribly with NAFTA and not getting passage of more corporate rules and regulations.

[diplomats]

27. You obviously didn't watch the event

or you would've known Clinton did not "take credit" for the dot.com boom.

[paulsbc]

30. i didn't claim

that Clinton said it, I was referring to the poster to whom I was replying.

[Blue_Roses]

32. Point made

you didn't watch what we are talking about and you are just using that same old tired excuse

[caledesi]

35. Wrong! Let's go back to 1993 when Clinton made a budget

proposal and NOT ONE repug voted for it. There were so many dire comments by Snoot G. and Rush...and NONE proved to. The greatest peace and prosperity in the history of this country didn't "just happen." Clinton MADE it happen. If you remember Clinton came to office w/ a recession from Bush I. Did he whine like * about how he got stuck w/ a recession? No, he zoomed in on it "like a laser beam."

So don't give me this crap that Clinton has nothing to do with the great economy during the 90s.

And today, with the dot.coms failing, it's been said that Clinton would be ALREADY looking ahead (renewable energy) etc. This great president had foresight, intellectual curiousity...hey, he even read newspapers.

[Gloria]

25. Yes, he mentioned new energy and biotech as the source of

new jobs for the future...

I'm also glad he was given the chance to explain his AIDS drug initiative. He actually said that "the people who can't stand me" can't accuse him of benefitting, since he gets no money, just worked pro bono to cut deals with drug companies to lower the costs. Got ex-businesspeople to check out the production facilities to cut costs.
It's going to cost $125 a year for a year of medication thanks to his efforts....same thing costs $11,000 here in the US!!!!

Bill's humanitarian works are inspiring. He could be playing golf every day....but he continues to work for the general improvement of the human condition.

[loudnclear]

29. Clinton is still "the best that ever did it."

He was magnificant...so knowledgeable, visionary so able to articulate a positive, hopeful, vision. Why doesn't some small country elect him President?

Great info about the Clinton Foundation's AIDs-drug deal.

[texas is the reason]

31. EXACTLY-

no president will ever be a progressive on everything- politics is the art of compromise. you have to be completely full of shit to even legitimately run for the presidency, much less to win it. clinton got more done in the face of the current reich wing environment than any other candidate i can think of would have. Let us pretend for a second that a guy like Kucinich could EVER get elected- how long do you think it would be before the firing squads were lined up on the grassy knolls? he had better stay out of small private jets, that's for sure... clinton was a real democrat president in a time of rush, PNAC, and impeachment witchhunts, and he made it through to lead us for 8 years.- just imagine an uninterupted continuum from reagan's election through the BFEE of today- thank clinton that we are not all in concentration camps right now.