Bush-Nazi White House, and rtwing religious fanatics

[protect freedom impeach bush now]

[SGTCooper]

1. What did your father do?

I have a father that was a Republican, then became Dem. His father was a staunch Republican, and I'm pretty sure that his father was a Tory in Northern Ireland.

I come from a long line of alcoholic, draft dodging, illegitimate, indentured servant Irishmen.

I couldn't be more democratic if Al Sharpton was my father.

I agree with attacking the Pres, Rove, et. al. but haven't they done enough badness? I couldn't really care less what their grandfathers did.

[protect freedom impeach bush now]

2. its a pattern. Nazis & Republicans

Its not just what their grandfathers did.

It is a pattern of profitting at the expense of the weak.
It is the pattern of lining the pockets of their own, at the
expense of the deaths of others.


What is worse ? profiteering off death weapons & waging wars
during WW2 or Iraq occupation ?

MONEY is what matters to these oil cabal thugs.

Not Peace.
Not America's security.
Not the soldier's safety.
Not anything but MONEY.


Bush Family did the same thing dealing with Nazis.
Why? For $$$$$.

Now by stealing from the American taxpayers BILLION$ in
a war planned long ago by the PNAC oil cabal.


-----------------------

As for me..... from a long line of Irish....

direct desendents from Kings of Ireland of the Hy Many

and a few generations of peasants, and some
sent off to Australia for sheep stealing


----------

My uncle fought up thru Italy with Patton fighting
the fascists in WW2

My other uncle fought the fascists in the Pacific with
Admiral Halsey (sp?)

Another uncle is buried in Arlington.


These uncles NEVER talked about the war. NEVER.

Not like this faux 'warrior' BushSR who bailed out of
his plane and let all his crew die.

[seventhson]

3. The problem is that the Nazi menace was never defeated. The SAME entities

institutions and families which controlled the death camps in Germany and Poland and France GOT AWAY with it.

They avoided prosecutions for treason.

They used profits from the gold teeth rip
The Nazis did NOT lose WWII. The United States did. Only thing was they DID change their logo.

What we never knew was that the Holocaust was directed from Rockefeller Center and the Bushes were chief players.

But THEY have always known that their money came from killing millions and profiteering off the deaths of American GIs in the Second World War.

It would NOT matter if they had not CONTINUED their fascist organizations. But these were nbever dismantled. Bush I used them in his camapigns and his blackops and genocide globally. They werre used to install George the II. They will be deployed again to take out Dean or whoever is the biggest threat to their criminal enterprise and their pattern of crimes against humanity globally.

My father fought against them in WWII.

The battle continues.

It never really ended.

Except in the newspapers of record who LIED.

Dean/Edwards in 2004

Shalom/Salaam Bring the Troops Home NOW!!!

[Karenina]

4. Perhaps the exception

proves the rule in your case. ;-) It is as important to recognize family culture as it is to recognize corporate culture, not something to be taken personally, especially if you do not fit the mold. However, one ignores or denies these obvious generational ties at his own peril.

[diamond14]

7. bush*, rove, and arnold lived the good life as a result of their

granddad's crimes...if I inherited that kind of blood money, I would need to give it back as reparations to my grandpa's victims...I couldn't just live off that money, knowing full well where it came from....

bush* benefitted greatly from his 'holocaust' blood money...it was that blood money that was used to get his whole family into high level government positions, and pay for bush* rise to power...

[leftofthedial]

10. It's been systematic since the late stages of WWII

Reactionaries within the US government and US forces believed that Nazis were preferable to Communists.

We let hundreds of war criminals off the hook. We patterned the CIA after Gehlen's Gestapo. The GOPNAC-Bush cabal is run by people who were right in the middle of all that.

[seventhson]

5. It is the CONTINUUM of FASCISM that is intergenerational which ...

is the problem.

The Continuity of the corporate enterprises who backed Hitler and the FAMILIES like the BushNazis which run them from then until now in a Holocaust which spanned the 20th century from Africa to Vietnam to Argentina and Chile and El Salvador - from Poland to Moscow to the Ukraine, from Spain under Franco to China under Mao (remember Bush shaking Mao's hand as ambassador to China - YEAH!!!)

The Holocaust nightmare never ended.

Fascism CREEPS along.

Sometimes it is like moles in the garden. You don't see them, but the roots of civilization are destroyed and all you see are the empty tracks where the moles have been.

Except now: we see them.

[seemslikeadream]

9. The Holocaust never ended

War in Congo has claimed over three million lives since 1998 alone. Innocent civilians have been brutalized, raped and tortured by all parties to the conflict.

THREE MILLION LIVES

George Bush Sr. days before the end of his failed presidency invoked an obscure 1872 statue to give a Canadian firm, Barrick Mining, the right to mine $10 billion in gold from U.S. public lands. Bush then joined Barrick as an international consultant. Barrick gave big bucks to Junior's presidental run.

Barrick has been operating in the region around Bunia, Congo. Barrick is raping Congo.

From The Screwing of Cynthia McKinney
Greg Palast

McKinney contacted me at the BBC. She asked if I'd heard of Barrick. Indeed, I had. Top human rights investigators had evidence that a mine that Barrick bought in 1999 had, in clearing their Tanzanian properties three years earlier, bulldozed mine shafts...burying about 50 miners alive.

The primary source for my story, an internationally famous lawyer named Tundu Lissu, was charged by the Tanzanian police with sedition, and arrested for calling for an investigation. McKinney had been trying to save his life with an international campaign aimed at Barrick.

This was another of her mistakes.

Andrew young and Vernon Jordan let McKinney twist slowly in the wind--because they are both on Barrick's payroll.

[jonoboy]

6. it's in the blood

I knew members of an aristocratic German family who supported the Nazis and made a small fortune through contracts awarded to them as a reward for that support. They completely escaped any recriminations from the war and now are hugely wealthy and happily live in Germany and Europe.
I once argued with the siblings that they owed at least some of their money to people that were harmed during WW2 and they would have none of it..so I cut off any contact with them.

Bush is the same. He's not responsible for what his forbears did but for enjoying the trappings of their wealth and not aknowledging how it was made.

Besides his own crimes are enough for this man to face a war crimes trial.

[Djinn]

8. i don't know about this

while it's certainly true that people have profitted from their parents/grand parents involvement with the Nazi's I don't know if they should flog themselves over it.

Everyone living currently living in Australia has benefitted from the violent dispossesion of the indigenous population but whether that makes all 18 million of us terrible nazi's I'm not too sure.

I also think you want to be careful blaming the son for the sins of the father - does anyone really think that there are no lefties with familial skeletons?

[cliss]

11. an awesome thread.

really nice contributors, and a lot of amazing information which you will not get on Yahoo news. I tend to believe it, because I've read it elsewhere. When I first read about Bush and Rove's family connections, I had a hard time believing it. But after some research on the Internet, I discovered that the stories were based upon facts.

Scary, but true.

[nolabels]

13. I don't spend to much of my time trying to find out if its true anymore

When the Nazi / Corporate / Fascist comes into play
I try to figure out where they are at in context as compared to the Third Reich as they have reemerged from the darkness they have been hiding under, and watch for the twists, back tracks and what old and new players a coming into the mix


http://www.mayanmajix.com/art342.html
Senator Byrd, Major Media Spread Coverage of Bush-Nazi Nexus

by Harvey Wasserman and Bob Fitrakis

US Senator Robert Byrd, on the floor of Congress, on October 17, has explicitly compared the Bush media operation to that run by Herman Goering, mastermind of the Nazi putsch against the German people.
On the same day, the Associated Press ran a national story linking Prescott Bush to Adolf Hitler. The lead read: "President Bush's grandfather was a director of a bank seized by the federal government because of its ties to a German industrialist who helped bankroll Adolf Hitler's rise to power, government documents show."

That night, CNN ran a "streamer" on the bottom of its all-news programming confirming that "declassified documents show Prescott Bush connections to Nazi finance."
Stories reminding the public that the grandfather of George W. Bush and his United Trust Bank were cited by the US government in 1942 for helping Hitler under the Trading With the Enemies Act, have now spread widely through the major meda.
What's going on here? Are these stories linking Team Bush to the Nazis irrelevant? Mere partisan politics? Or do they indicate a growing public concern with what is actually happening in Washington?

Coming on the floor of the US Senate, Byrd's searing critique indicates that the equation of Team Bush with the Nazi elite has gained a certain mainstream credibility. A conservative Democrat who has represented West Virginia in the Senate for decades, Byrd is one of America's leading Constitutional scholars. He is known as the master of Senate procedures. A passionate student of the English language, his epic orations for peace and the preservation of historic American freedoms are likely to grace school texts for decades to come.

That the cautious, thoughtful Byrd has conjured explicit comparisons between the infamous mass murderer Hermann Goering and the administration of George W. Bush is a stunning commentary on how far to the right the Republicans have really gone. Goering was convicted of crimes against humanity at the Nuremberg Nazi war crimes tribunal after World War II. He killed himself just before he was to be executed.
(snip)

It's time for another Bush/Nazis thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=199853

[dutchdemocrat]

12. Two points

One... many tend to forget Samuel Prescott Bush, Prescott Bush's father who is the first real root of the Bush Dynasty and one that gets overlooked. His complicity in fueling WWI is very likely, but the records were burned to 'make room' of course.



Samuel Prescott Bush (1863 October 4 Brick Church NJ - 1948 February 8 Columbus OH) was the father of Senator Prescott Bush, grandfather of George H. W. Bush and greatgrandfather George W. Bush.

He was the son of the Rev. James Smith Bush.

He married Flora Sheldon on 1894 June 20.

He was president (c1906-1927) of Buckeye Steel Castings of Columbus, Ohio, which (among other things) made railway parts for the Harrimans. The two families were closely associated at least until the end of World War II.

He was the first president of National Manufacturers Association, and cofounder of Scioto Country Club and Columbus Academy.

In the spring of 1918, Bush became chief of the Ordnance, Small Arms and Ammunition Section of the War Industries Board of Bernard Baruch and Clarence Dillon, with national responsibility for government assistance to and relations with Remington and other weapons companies. (Senate hearings in 1934 by the Nye committee attacked the ‘Merchants of Death’—war profiteers such as Remington Arms and the British Vickers company—whose salesmen had manipulated many nations into war and then supplied weapons to all sides.)

Unfortunately most of the records and correspondence of Bush's arms-related section of the government have been burned ‘to save space’ in the National Archives.

He lost his wife Flora Sheldon on 1920 September 4, in Narragansett RI. She stepped in front of a car.<1>

Bush is interred at Greenlawn Cemetery, Columbus OH.<2>

---------

Secondly, I hate to burst the bubble on the Carl Rover Nazi thing but Al Martin is a distorter of truth at best and a liar at worst. He started the ball rolling on the Rove-Nazi link - which Karl probably deserves... but I don't like being lied to from anyone and the connection between Rove and Rover the Nazi is not true.

Concerning Rove...



First off I am not a freeper... But this Rove story Al Martin published about a Nazi connection to Karl Rove followed by seemed pretty far out there. For a guy who claims on his own site that "Al Martin is also considered to be America's foremost whistle-blower on government and military fraud." and charges 5000 bucks to be a keynote speaker.


His work often lacks sources so I thought I would investigate his article on Rove and the leak on Ambassador Joseph Wilson's wife. I am pretty sure this is disinformation which, though helpful to the 'cause' I find being lied to by one of our own distasteful. So, as a former journalist, I took it upon myself to do a little investigation myself.

The original story from his site which is all over the net is at http://almartinraw.com/public/column106.html

-------------------------------------

Quote #1 from Al Martin's article.

"According to reliable sources, as well as our own Al Martin Raw.com investigation, Karl Rove is, in fact, the grandson of Karl Heinz Roverer, the gauleiter of Mecklenburg, who was also a partner and senior engineer of Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurbüro AG. They built Birchenau (sic), the concentration camp in Nazi Germany."

------------------------------

Not that I am sticking up for Rove but Al Martin, if he did his research right would find the "gauleiter" of "Mecklenburg" was not Roverer... In fact there is no Karl Heinz Roverer or Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurbüro AG that built Birkenau in the entire databases of at least four major holocaust archives I went through such as
http://www.holocaust-history.org/
http://www.remember.org/
http://www.nizkor.org/
http://www.mazal.org/Default.htm

I also double checked here (http://remember.org/educate/companies.html) to see if Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurbüro AG would show up but nothing.

And the fact is, the Gauleiter of Mecklenburg
was a guy named Friedrich Hildebrandt (http://www.skalman.nu/third-reich/nsdap-gau-mecklenburg.htm)

Mecklenburg Gauleiter List

Friedrich Hildebrandt (1925 - 1930)
? Albrecht (1930 - 1931)
Friedrich Hildebrandt (1931 - 1945)

--------------------------------

Funny enough Karl Röver was the gauleiter of Weser-Ems from 1929-1942. (http://www.skalman.nu/tredje-riket/r.htm#Rover,Karl)(http://www.skalman.nu/tredje-riket/r.htm)

Which is almost the same name as Karl Rove but not the one given in the article. Not sure if Al Martin got lazy or if this is the right guy? Karl Rover also tried to stop the war and died under mysterious circumstances.
(http://www.geocities.com/~orion47/NSDAP/Gauleiter_R-Z.html)

On the night of May 13, 1942, Röver startled the party hierarchy when he announced that he was going to see the Führer on the next day and then proceed to meet Winston Churchill, in order to make peace. Coming virtually on the first anniversary of Rudolf Hess' flight to Scotland, the matter was immediately brought to Martin Bormann's attention. An SS physician diagnosed the last stages of syphilis in Roever, and he was rushed to an isolated area. Two agents were sent by Bormann to examine Röver, and they reported on May 15 that the sick man had succumbed to heart failure. The whole matter was hushed up and soon forgotten in the course of the war."
(Excerpted from Charles Hamilton's Leaders and Personalities of the Third Reich, R. James Bender Publishing, 1984; story also found in Karl Höffkes, Hitlers Politische Generale, Grabert-Verlag, 1986/1997

--------------------------------

So it seems that if there were a Nazi in the family so to speak, he was one who tried to end the war and most likely was murdered by Hitler for even suggesting it. And he was not really one of the bad guys. He certainly had no engineering company and was not involved in camp construction....

The other thing that shoots down this article is the fact that Karl Rove's grandfather worked on a highway road crew during the Great Depression not building gas chambers, according to a Boston Globe article from 2001. (scroll down)

http://www.boston.com/globe/magazine/2000/7-23/featurestory1.shtml


Turn out his real father is is not even Louis Rove... as Karl Rove told the New Yorker. This of course, is most likely Rove spin and lies.

(http://bnfp.org/neighborhood/Lemann_Rove_NYM.htm)

"But when I asked Rove about it he said the real story is that he was, as it were, half-adopted. I asked him if he'd ever found out who his real father is, and he said that he had, but didn't meet him until many years later, when he was in his forties. He got in touch with the man, arranged to visit him, and was greeted with a chilly reception. Rove spoke of his adoptive father in a tone of fierce admiration, love, and loyalty, for, as he put it, "how selfless his love had been," as shown by his willingness to play, persuasively, the part of a blood parent for two decades. The bond between Rove and his adoptive father became even more important, no doubt, after Rove's mother committed suicide, in Reno, Nevada, in 1981."

-------------------------------

This is a highly inflammatory claim with nothing to support it. I think this is an important story, but it is seriously weakened by this unsupported contention and subsequent debunking of information.

Any takers to debunk my analysis?