Sharpton on CNN now- Inside Politics (4:07 ET)

[TSIAS]

Talking about Dean.

[Kool Kitty]

1. Damn, the good Reverend left

Ms. Woodruff a bit speechless, didn't he?

[maveric]

2. He just Bitch Slapped(pardon the term), Judy Woodruff ...

talking about racial issues. She had a look of utter embarrassment on her face.
Go Al!!!

[Langis]

5. What did he say?

[spooky3]

46. she's a dope, but how about changing your expression to "Bush-slapped" or

something else?

[Langis]

3. I am really getting sick of this.

They need to stop going after each other.

[spooky3]

49. I agree.

I'd like to get clarification from Dean as to his current views on AA. But if people want to weigh heavily comments Dean made in 1995, then they should weigh heavily Sharpton's Tawana Brawley involvement, also an event from the distant past (and comparable incidents for all candidates). I don't advocate either. There is so much CURRENT info to focus on.

[Renew Deal]

4. The Sharpton endorsement is more important than the Jesse Jackson Jr....

endoresment. Sharpton has excited many democrats. I think that people are going to listen to him closely when he speaks because he has created credibility.

[Kahuna]

12. He has created credibility. He has earned his place...

at the Democratic convention.

[Name removed]

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[DoveTurnedHawk]

21. According to Today's Quinnipiac Poll, Yes (eom)

DTH

[RetroLounge]

22. Link?

or just wishful thinking?

[DoveTurnedHawk]

25. http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x8668.xml

Read 'em and weep.

DTH

[JaneQPublic]

28. Margin of Error +/- 4.9%

"The survey includes 403 Democrats with a margin of error of +/- 4.9 percent."

That puts pretty much the top 5 in a statistical dead heat. Still, overall good news for the General.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

30. Agreed on All Counts

I just like it because it's a bit of a trend-stopper to the "Clark's support is ebbing" theme that has circulated recently.

DTH

[AP]

34. A note about the MOE counter argument. The MOE means

if I remember correctly, that if you conducted the survey 100 times, 95 times you'd get a result within the MOE.

[theboss]

43. If he speaks at the Convention, we are doomed

It will be worse than Pat Buchanan. He will send suburbanites and rural whites running in terror to Bush.

I firmly believe that. He cannot speak at the convention.

[Hep]

42. That's a mighty generalization!

Jesse Jackson Jr's endorsement will go a long way in those places where he gets elected, I assure you. And they are important to everyone's campaign.

And it should be noted that we don't see a lot of people talking about why the other white candidates aren't getting the black and latino votes, despite the fact that I can't find any websites for latinos for kerry or african americans for kerry, but I do see them for clark and dean.

Sharpton is very influential and carries a lot of weight, but I don't think it is accurate to claim this across the board.

[CWebster]

48. he has just destroyed his credibility

Its curtains for Sharpton. Move over Lieberman.

[loudnclear]

6. Please explain for those of us who can't view the program

the slang is not helpful to understanding what is going on.

[FrenchieCat]

7. Sharpton kicked

the Donkey ass to the left.........:kick:

Bottomline, if you can't stand the fire....don't start one to begin with.

[HazMat]

11. They played a 1995 interview of Dean saying

affirmative action shouldn't be about race, Sharpton then criticized Dean for claiming to be a straight talker and "the only white politician to speak to white audiences about race". Sharpton said that he's defending the other candidates who Dean has attacked because they (he mentioned Gep and Edwards specifically) have a much better record on race.

Woodruff then chimed with "but that interview was a long time ago, maybe he's changed.." and Sharpton exploded with "that was the height of the affirmative action debate, when many of the other candidates stood with us when Dean was going against us.."

BTW, I think Dean was right the first time. Affirmative action shouldn't be about race, IMO, it should be about economics.

[JaneQPublic]

13. If Sharpton is defending the other candidates from Dean...

...particulary Gep and Edwards, then why was Sharpton blasting their records, too, last January, just like he's now doing Dean?

From a reprint of a NYT article, Jan. 12, 2003:

http://www.hrc.org/campaigns/2004/candidates/news/sharpton_nyt011303.asp

Asked about Senator Kerry, whom Mr. Sharpton described as the Democratic front-runner, Mr. Sharpton noted the paucity of blacks among Massachusetts's elected officials, and said he read a newspaper article the other day about racial profiling there.

"Where is Kerry in his home state?" Mr. Sharpton asked. "If I'm going to be in the debates, he's going to have to talk about that."

Mr. Lieberman, he said, was "an opponent of affirmative action," a characterization that does not square with how Mr. Lieberman describes his own views on the subject.

Representative Richard A. Gephardt of Missouri "stood with the president on the war - and was part of the leadership that was absolutely defeated in 2002."

He saved his harshest words for Senator John Edwards of North Carolina, a trial lawyer who, Mr. Edwards's advisers argued, posed the greatest threat to Mr. Sharpton's hopes of a strong showing in the South.

"This guy got rich fighting for the regular guy," Mr. Sharpton said. "So I'm going to ask him at the debates: name one regular guy you fought for that you didn't get paid for. With a Sharpton-less race, he's gotten an easy ride."

[BrewCrew]

16. so what is dean's record?

Al just seemed to be saying...hey. "if you cant walk-the-walk. dont talk-the-talk." he seemed to be mad at dean for appearing to be flip-flopping. The tape didnt look good for Howard.

Did you guys hear that host of the show in 1995 call Dean....Newt Gingrich. after he stated his position on Affirmative action, she said.."You sound like Newt Gingrich."

[HazMat]

33. as it is, the perception of Dean is that he's the "whitey" candidate

who's out of touch with minority concerns.

Dean is a center-right Dem from a white rural state with conservative views on guns, Medicare, affirmative action and social programs. Most of his followers are middle and upper class white kids from the suburbs.

It's one thing for someone like Bill Clinton (or any Dem with a strong record and relationship with the minorities) to criticize AA or welfare, for example. It's another when someone like Howard Dean does it.

This looks very bad for Dean .. there's no way to spin this one. It adds to the suspicion that he's simply a Rockefeller Republican under all of that fake liberal anger.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

37. But he interned in the Bronx

and listens to Wycliff Jean and hires graffiti artists...but....but....

[Bertrand]

8. CNN just showed some of Deans interview in '95 on AA

i want to get a transcript of this, because the video wasnt flattering, imo. He directly said "I dont think it (AA) ought to be done by race." That validates another part of the interview quoted by the washington post where he says "I think we ought to look at affirmative action programs based not on race but on class"

It appears that Dean in 1995 didnt support race-based affirmative action.

[Renew Deal]

9. Of course

Dean didn't support anything he does now except guns. Look at his positions on medicare, civil unions (court order forced him to sign it), the enviornment (texas dumping, sierra club member comment), AA, Israel, War (pro-every war but Iraq). He speaks out of both sides of his mouth. People are finally starting to see it.

[blm]

14. Now on Crossfire...Novak defending Dean from Al Sharpton.

Also dumping on ALL the candidates for going after Dean. HUH?

Begala said he's the frontrunner now so he has to take it, because he dished it out when he was the insurgent.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

15. Novak and All of the RW Desperately Want Dean to Be Our Nominee

It's very clear.

Unless, of course, ANYONE here happens to believe that NOVAK of all people suddenly grew a conscience and a sense of integrity.

I mean God, support Dean all you want, but please at least have the discernment and intellectual honesty to admit what the RW is trying to do, here.

DTH

[JNelson6563]

17. DTH, I'm sending you a PM

You need some inside info friend.

Julie

[DoveTurnedHawk]

19. OK, I Look Forward to It

Thanks.

DTH

[blm]

36. nothing to share with the rest of the class?

:((((

[RetroLounge]

20. Sure, make all our decisions as reactions to the right wing

media talking points.

Novak says jump, we should ask how high, right?

Who gives a fuck what Novak say or wants anyhow?

[DoveTurnedHawk]

23. NOT What I'm Saying

All I'm saying is, recognize what they're trying to do, and why they're trying to do it.

Once you recognize that, then by all means, please support whoever you want, with a good conscience.

DTH

[RetroLounge]

24. Thanks for your permission.

eom...

[Name removed]

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[RetroLounge]

27. Thanks for the personal attack.

You've been alerted...

[DoveTurnedHawk]

29. For What? Saying You Have the Choice to Be Ignorant or Informed?

That's not a personal attack; that's a statement of fact. How you choose to take it is entirely up to you.

DTH

[NewYorkerfromMass]

31. Novak defending Dean? Good god that's scary!

OMFG. This campaign is so f'ing surreal.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

47. Begala is right on the money. n/t

[LoZoccolo]

41. "we need to look at something else" = "doesn't support the old way at all"

Riiiiiiiight.
:eyes:

[TSIAS]

10. Also on Inside Politics

Woodruff just said that Graham's leaning against running for re-election in FL.

[AP]

32. CNN only let's you talk if you're talking about Dean. It's crazy.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

35. AP can you elaborate?

What do you mean? It's all Dean all the time?

[blm]

38. Meaning the interviews with other candidates still revolve around Dean

in some way. Interviewers ask the others what they think about Dean's success or what they think about their chances since Dean is so far ahead or why aren't you doing as well as Dean? It reinforces the Deancentrism of the media.

[AP]

39. Also, at the debates, they'll pass you the mic if you spent the previous..

...week attacking Dean.

It's the sure fire way to get the media's attention. The people who don't do it don't get attention.

It's one of the subtle ways the media helps Dean with coming right out and endorsing him (although some RWers in the media have gone that far).

Having said that, I'll add that I think this is a legitimate criticism of Dean. But I fear where the debate is headed. I'm sure we'll see lots of stupid Dems start saying, 'hmm, well, maybe AA should be about class and not about race and gender."

[mbali]

51. Like Bette Midler in "Beaches" . . .

"OK, enough about me. Let's talk about you. What do YOU think of me?"

The media version: "Dean, Dean, Dean. OK, enough about Dean. Let's talk about you. What do YOU think about Dean?"

[blm]

55. HAHAHAH....exactly!

.

[Rowdyboy]

40. I'm curious...Do you agree with Dean

that AA should be economic or should it be based on ethnicity. What about persons of mixed race. What % minority blood makes one a minority? These are all issues that need answering by our society at large and not just the Democratic candidates.

But unless we win the next election, the question will remain unasked.

[GumboYaYa]

44. Personally, I think tha there are a few wealthy minorities

who benefit from affirmative action programs as well as benefitting from having access to great wealth. While these numbers are small, people within this category should not be the beneficiaries of affirmative action. The benefits of affirmative action should be reserved for minorities who truly need them.

[Karenina]

45. Would you care to take a tiny glance

at what PRIVILIGED WHITE "ELITE" AFFIRMATIVE ACTION has wrought upon your nation before making such inane pronouncements?

[GumboYaYa]

50. That's the point I'm making, as inane as it may be.

White "elite" Affirmative Action is not a product of the whiteness, but instead a product of the eliteness. There is a very small group of minorities who have access to the elite affirmative action by virtue of accumulated wealth.

For example, I have a good friend who is Hispanic (the son of Cuban imigrants). His father was on the cover of Fortune as the "wealthiest Minority in America." My friend and I attended the same college. I worked my way through and studied like a wild man because I knew if I didn't I would go nowhere in life. My friend had all the advantages. He never worked and hardly studied. When we graduated I went to work and he was given a multi-million dollar company by his father.

Does my friend really need affirmative action by virtue of the fact that he is of Hispanic decent? Is it really so inane for me to suggest that the opportunities that might accrue to him by virtue of affirmative action should be reserved for a different minority without the advantages my friend has?

Try making a real argument instead of screaming insults at me.

[mbali]

52. Wealthy minorities

still face rampant discrimination. Cops still assume Vernon Jordan is a chauffeur when driving his Mercedes. Black federal judges are still ordered to run around to pick up someone's car. Minority professionals must still jump through hoops to prove themselves in ways that are not expected of whites. African Americans, regardless of their economic status, must deal with racism and discrimination every day of their lives.

[w13rd0]

54. But that's got nothing to do with affirmative action...

...in schools or for jobs...

You can't lump everything together with a simple soundbite and label it all race-related and prescribe the same solution for all of it. Vernon Jordan getting pulled over is racial profiling. Federal judges being asked to fetch cars is symptomatic of the fact that you are working with an asshole. Minority professionals, ok, that one might fall under this topic. Discrimination exists, based on race, religion, sex, orientation, class, nationality, regional predjudice...

And we should do all we can to mitigate and eliminate it.

[janekat]

53. Currently, there is still a lot of bigotry. I worked in HR and used to see

a lot of it. I was shocked at the number of comments I'd hear from managers. They just assumed that I would go right along with their b.s. because I was white.

Needless to say - I'd beg to differ with these managers and they'd think that I was the who was misinformed. This was 5 years ago in Chicago.

Honest to God, if we didn't have laws preventing companies from discriminating against people - a lot of companies would be all white males - at least in the top positions. They'd let the women and other minorities work in the mail room, I guess.