Okay! I shall praise Clark today!

[JackRiddler]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/10/28/national1500EST0687.DTL

Democrat Clark blames President Bush for Sept. 11 intelligence failures

NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer

Tuesday, October 28, 2003 (10-28) 16:52 PST

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Democrat Wesley Clark on Tuesday blamed President Bush for the intelligence failures that contributed to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

"There is no way this administration can walk away from its responsibility for 9-11," Clark told a conference, titled "New American Strategies for Security and Peace." "You can't blame something like this on lower level intelligence officers, however badly they communicated memos with each other. ... The buck rests with the commander in chief, right on George W. Bush's desk."

Later Tuesday, Clark called on Bush to release the details of an intelligence briefing he received from CIA Director George Tenet in August 2001.

(snip)

The Bush-Cheney campaign declined to respond to Clark's criticism, referring calls to the Republican National Committee. Christine Iverson, spokeswoman for the RNC, said Clark "sounds exactly like Bob Graham, the failed presidential candidate from Florida who launched similar attacks against the president a few month ago, and was forced to drop out of the race because his message of protest and pessimism failed to resonate with the American people.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/10/28/national1500EST0687.DTL

With regard to the last paragraph: ha ha ha! Yes! A hit, most palpable.

[eleny]

1. Graham was right and so is Clark!

"(Graham) was forced to drop out of the race because his message of protest and pessimism failed to resonate with the American people."

Baloney.

[knight_of_the_star]

34. So true!

Graham dropped out because that was the ONLY thing giving him traction, not because it failed to resonate. If nothing else, Graham's little charge across the horizon has made people pay MORE attention to the intell failures under BUSH than they did before.

[Brucey]

2. Good on Clark!

We have to keep the pressure on; glad to see Clark helping.

[EdgarFriendly]

3. Praise Clark for something he said...good idea.

Little Rock, Arkansas on May 11, 2001, General Clark declared:
'And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin
Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice... people I know
very well - our president George W. Bush. We need them there.'"
Clark praises United States President George W. Bush with these words: "President George Bush had the courage and the vision... and we will always be grateful to President George Bush for that tremendous leadership and statesmanship."

"Do you ever ask why it is that these people in these other countries
can't solve their own problems without the United States sending its
troops over there? And do you ever ask why it is the Europeans, the
people that make the Mercedes and the BMW's that got so much money can't put some of that money in their own defense programs and they need us to do their defense for them?
"And I'll tell you what I've learned from Europe is that are a lot of
people out in the world who really, really love and admire the United
States. Don't you ever believe it when you hear foreign leaders making
nasty comments about us. That's them playing to their domestic politics as they misread it. Because when you talk to the people out there, they love us. They love our values. They love what we stand for in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights."

[HFishbine]

4. I've been known

to post some very tough questions for Clark supporters, but creating a new ID just to avoid a flame is really low.

[wyldwolf]

5. I'll just assume you know this person created a new ID...

..and if he did, it only goes to show the people posting such crap can't stand the heat they get for it.

[Rowdyboy]

6. Its so much more fun just to ignore....

its pisses them off so badly.

[EdgarFriendly]

7. I've never

posted to this board before. Just thought I would make note that Wes Clark is a Bush fan. Is that who we really want running our country?

[wyldwolf]

9. Edgar, who is your candidate?

[maha]

12. If you are a newbie

I can forgive you for being woefully ignorant of the fact that we've beaten that horse to death already.

And now that you have been informed the horse is dead, and the rest of us find the whole horse beating thing tiresome -- you will stop, now, won't you? There's a lad.

[wyldwolf]

15. Hillary Clinton praised Bush...

The senator praised Bush, saying he was "fulfilling an important role in emphasizing the threat and danger posed by hostile regimes that have malicious intentions toward the United States, Israel and the entire world."

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=133322

It probably wouldn't take long to find some kind words for Bush spoken by Kucinich, too.

[Bread and Circus]

32. I am sick of lies like yours, absolutely sick...

Why do people keep lying about Clark. I think
I will write a book and title it "Lies...and
the Lying Liars Who Tell Them".

When you say, "Clark is a Bush Fan" -- that is
a lie. Clark never was a Bush fan. Quit lying.

[wyldwolf]

8. I'd rather beat them down until they resort to the literary equivalent...

...of stomping their feet and having a hissy fit.

[EdgarFriendly]

10. Hillary

But she isn't running :(

Dennis Kucinich

[Name removed]

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[wyldwolf]

14. Hillary Clinton praised Bush...

The senator praised Bush, saying he was "fulfilling an important role in emphasizing the threat and danger posed by hostile regimes that have malicious intentions toward the United States, Israel and the entire world."

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=133322

It probably wouldn't take long to find some kind words for Bush spoken by Kucinich, too.

[wyldwolf]

17. I guess this shut you down, huh?

[Name removed]

18. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[ShaneGR]

11. Why is it that the harshest Clark critics invariably have like 10 posts

Just wondering

[EdgarFriendly]

16. Why would they say anything good

about Bush...that man is pure evil...he has nothing but his wallet in mind.

[Padraig18]

19. Do you curse everyone you don't agree with?

At work? School? If you do, I bet you're not gonna win the "Miss Congeniality" award.

[newyawker99]

26. Hi EdgarFriendly!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[JVS]

20. Kind of like the biggest Clark supporters?

Well at least that was the way it was a couple months ago.

[wyldwolf]

21. A couple of months ago I had over 1500 posts...

[FrenchieCat]

22. Why do I have to keep posting this damm speech ? Sharpton said it best ,

Stop writing and start reading the speech...... reading....http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004065

Also that was George Bush I, in context to 1st Gulf war.....

Why the Hacks?????


here is the full paragraph of contention:
------------------
You see, in the Cold War we were defensive. We were trying to protect our country from communism. Well guess what, it's over. Communism lost. Now we've got to go out there and finish the job and help people live the way they want to live. We've got to let them be all they can be. They want what we have. We've got some challenges ahead in that kind of strategy. We're going to be active, we're going to be forward engaged. But if you look around the world, there's a lot of work to be done. And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office: men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condolzeezza Rice, Paul O'Neill--people I know very well--our president, George W. Bush. We need them there, because we've got some tough challenges ahead in Europe.
----------------------
notice he says he is glad to have them in office for the challenges ahead in EUROPE!

[wyldwolf]

23. I'm just upset that the many of the Clark bashers..

..won't take me on.

Or maybe I should be flattered?

[DoveTurnedHawk]

27. Kinda Like That Scene in Highlander

In the first battle where they're all running away from McLeod, because he was already earmarked by the Kurgan? :-)

So who's the Dean side's Kurgan! Any takers? ;-)

DTH

[wyldwolf]

28. I found out I'm on the "ignore" list of two of the more conspiratorial...

"Clark is a republican mole PNAC supporting Bush loving closet Skull and Bones satan worshipping" loons at DU.

But I don't think I'm Clark's Kurgan... Maybe Clark's Worf!

[DoveTurnedHawk]

29. Count That as a Big Plus and a Badge of Honor

I love being Ignored by loons, it means I don't have to put up with their inane ramblings.

I'm just sad sometimes that DU is so full of these folks:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=561809

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=288780

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=453863

DTH

[boxster]

35. I agree - I'm not sure why it seems so important...

for some DUers to have a label for everything. People are complex and their beliefs and ideals certainly don't fit in the same one-size-fits-all liberal/socialist/progressive box.

[knight_of_the_star]

36. Just to be curious

What should we call this badge of honour for Wyldwolf? I know that he deserves it getting on the ignore list of not one but TWO of the biggest Clark bashers out there, at least the ones who try to pass off their stuff as legit.

[Padraig18]

30. I've never used the ignore function...

I wanna know what they say about Dean, so I can strike back! :P

[boxster]

33. It's just easier for them to hit-and-run, rather than getting into

a debate with you!

Besides, you provide facts and often post links to back your statements. Arguing with facts is just too much work! }(

[JackRiddler]

24. ALL OF YOU!!! STOP THAT!

Talk about solipsism! Get off EdgarFriendly's back, please - how do you know he isn't a genuinely new poster? It's crass to spit fire on newbies, hell it's probably against some DU rule.

And talk about Pavlovian reactions! Just the name Clark automatically brings in the usual suspects, I see.

This wasn't supposed to be another thread about Clarkies defending the indefensible (like his comments praising Bush - and no it's not relevant that Hillary did the same, she was wrong too).

However, this wasn't supposed to be a Clark-bashing thread, even if it is from me.

This was barely supposed to be about Clark at all.

It's about the 9/11 coverup, folks.

Clark has done something very good today - he has raised the 9/11 issue loud and clear. For this, he deserves praise.

Now where do the other candidates stand on this most central of all the Bush lies? I know Dean supports disclosure as a good thing, but he has not been loud enough on this issue.

I hope Clark goes further on this. I hope they all do.

[Padraig18]

25. *grinds toe in dirt, looking abject*

I'm sorry, Mr Jack... :cry:

[union_maid]

31. Well, I hope it'll open some minds

Lots of us who support Clark are at least as far to the left as those who support Dean. We don't just look at the medals as we've been accused countless times. We look at a liberal with medals, brilliant intellect and a resume that makes Bush's look even worse than it actually is, which isn't an easy feat.

[theboss]

37. If only this would catch on . . .

This is his best move to date.

[ElementaryPenguin]

38. Say what you like - Clark is kicking major ass with this!!!

I too hope the others quickly follow suit!

[Bread and Circus]

39. Clark kicks Bush's ass..

Wes Clark: White House Stonewalling 9/11 Commission

General Wesley Clark called on the Bush Administration to stop stonewalling the September 11 Commission.

"George W. Bush and his administration have stonewalled the 9/11 Commission long enough," Clark said. "Leadership means being straight with the American people. For the sake of our nation's future security, President Bush needs to give Governor Kean and the other Commission members the information they want, need and have demanded about the August 2001 briefings."

Former Gov. Thomas Kean of New Jersey, a Republican, is leading a commission to investigate the circumstances surrounding the September 11, terrorist attacks, including the government's intelligence and its ability to handle the attack. The commission is charged with making recommendations to prevent future attacks. Kean has threatened to subpoena classified White House intelligence from the month before the attacks.

The commission wants to know what information the Bush administration had about al-Qaeda prior to the attacks, and when it had it. The White House is holding back some documents it needs to complete its investigation.

"Leadership is about making the right choices to make American secure," Clark said. "Under George W. Bush, the American people have suffered from a leadership gap."