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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 03:05 PM
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The Revolution Was Not Televised


There was a large anti-war rally in Washington last week. The standard slogans were on display for all to see: Impeach Bush, Bring The Troops Home, No Blood For Oil. On the periphery of the protest stood a few dozen ‘patriots’ holding a counter-demonstration in support of Bush and the Iraq war. Among the signs carried by this crew was a banner that succinctly summed up the madness of the age, and the dangerous nature of the current ruling class.

Across the top of the banner, which was clearly professionally made and not hand-lettered, were the block-letter words “SUPPORT PRESIDENT BUSH.” Through the center of the banner were black outlines of a fighter aircraft, a tank, an M-16 rifle, a .45 caliber pistol, an attack helicopter, a surface-to-air missile battery, and a thermonuclear bomb. Underneath these images were two more block-letter words: “TRUST JESUS.”

The sentiment apparently finds resonance with Senator Trent Lott, Republican of Mississippi. The Wednesday edition of The Hill carried a story about GOP concerns over the manner in which the post-war war is unfolding. The trepidation is understandable; more American troops have been killed in the ‘Mission Accomplished’ phase of the war than in the war itself. Lott responded to the crisis in Iraq by saying, “If we have to, we just mow the whole place down, see what happens.”

The Bush administration has tried to frame their wars as not being a religiously-based crusade against the Islamic world. This has been a hard-sell with Muslims, especially since Bush used the word “crusade” immediately after September 11. Norman Podhoretz, one of the ideological fathers of the cadre of hawks currently running our foreign policy, publicly described our conflict in the Mideast as being a process aimed at bringing about “the reformation and modernization of Islam.” The religious overtones are difficult to miss.

Perhaps the best example of where we stand today comes in the guise of Lt. General William Boykin, deputy undersecretary for defense, who is charged with finding important enemies like Osama bin Laden. Boykin, when not smoking ‘em out of their holes, has been touring the fundamentalist pulpits across the America. Describing the hunt for a Somali warlord last January, Boykin said, “I knew that my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.”

Boykin has held forth on the true meaning of the War on Terror. “Satan wants to destroy this nation,” says Boykin, “he wants to destroy us as a nation, and he wants to destroy us as a Christian army.” In June of 2002, Boykin held up a photograph of Mogadishu to a church congregation. The photo carried the image of a dark spot in the sky above the city. "Ladies and gentlemen," Boykin said, "this is your enemy. It is the principalities of darkness. It is a demonic presence in that city that God revealed to me as the enemy."

The banner carried by the ‘patriot’ in Washington should have had the black outline of an oil well alongside all those weapons. Trusting Jesus has been a lucrative business for some. The Center for Public Integrity released a report on Thursday which details how $8 billion in contracts to ‘rebuild’ Iraq and Afghanistan have gone exclusively to companies which donated piles of money to Bush’s 2000 election campaign. These contracts were awarded without the usual bidding process; few beyond the friends of Bush were given the opportunity to cash in on the war.

Most prominent on the list of companies awarded these contacts is Halliburton, the oil company recently run by Vice President Dick Cheney. Halliburton subsidiary, Kellog Brown & Root, has gathered to itself a tidy $2.3 billion contract to repair Iraq’s oil industry. The price tag for this project was doubled recently by the Bush administration so Halliburton could get a larger share of the $87 billion allocated for Iraq. The reason for the doubling? Halliburton plans to go beyond repairing old oil wells and develop new wells to tap virgin supplies of oil and gas.

Islam is not the only religion to have a militant, fundamentalist Taliban wing making up part of the whole. In America, the Taliban wing of Christianity has assumed power. The banner at that ‘patriot’ rally captures the essence of these frightening extremists: Supporting Bush is placed on the same level as worshipping Jesus, and shot through the middle is the steel fist of weapons and war. September 11 has been refashioned by the Christian Taliban as a rallying cry for an end-times death match against Islam, a rallying cry that obscures the orgasm of profiteering that is taking place behind the scenes.

There has been a fundamentalist revolution in the United States. The extremists have taken control of the White House, Congress, the courts, and the military. You did not see this on NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC or Fox, but it happened all the same.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 03:15 PM
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1. actually, I think I did see it on Fox
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 03:18 PM
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2. Oh yeah, we saw it on TV

We saw the month or so of continuous extensive coverage of the decision not to count votes in the election.

When the Supreme Court appointed the PNAC committee's chosen on-camera talent as America's first figurative military dictator, all 3 CrusadeNets were there.

We saw the 9-11 events, complete with instantaneous identification of the perpetrators and miraculous recovery of Mo Atta's passport from the flames, even as the families of some victims were being gently told that their loved ones had vaporized, there would be nothing to bury.

We heard bush say, live on CNN, "No need for evidence, we know he's guilty," thus shattering the fabric of the nation more irretrievably than a thousand planes in a thousand buildings.

There is no conspiracy, none of it is secret.

No one is storming the White House, no Coalition of the Willing coming to liberate us, no France and Germany landing on the beaches of Daytona.

The revolution WAS televised. And it got great ratings. The public loved it.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 03:32 PM
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7. Damned, DuctapeFatwa, you hit that nail on the head!
The Death of Democracy and the Old American Republic was great for ratings!

The Imperial Subjects ate it up with a spoon!
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 03:18 PM
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3. Does that mean I should be sewing up my burka?
Should everyone be destroying their CD's except the Christian ones? This is a disturbing trend if these wackos actually get some clout.
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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 03:26 PM
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4. Theocracy I think they call it
check out this really scary but extremely well documented site on how the right wing fundies have taken over the GOP:
http://www.theocracywatch.org/

Be afraid. Be very afraid...
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 09:47 AM
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35. Thanks for the link, ithacan
:hi:
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 03:30 PM
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5. Your Forgiven
I am no longer pissed at you for your attack on Dean. Guess it dosn't bother you to much, but I care.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 03:30 PM
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6. When did I attack Dean?
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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 03:38 PM
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9. Will...you know
Edited on Thu Oct-30-03 04:05 PM by ThirdWheelLegend
If you bring up the smallest bit of a question on Dean it's an attack!!!!!

At least that is how it seems here on DU.


TWL

ON EDIT****: Let me clarify that my perception is the result of actions of "SOME OF MY FELLOW DUers...". Want to be sure everyone knows it is only SOME.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 03:39 PM
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10. I'm genuinely curious what I need to be forgiven for
:wtf:
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 03:56 PM
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13. I think it's for starting a thread, now on page 3...
That seemed to cut Clark some slack for "growing", or as some call it "waffling". Your post was even-handed, so you got accused by a Dean supporter for praising Clark to take the "foam off the Dean wave" because you're a Kerry supporter... jeez, my head is spinning!
Everyone sees what they want to see..
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 10:01 AM
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36. That was me...
Edited on Fri Oct-31-03 10:02 AM by JackRiddler
who made the remark about "foam," and I am NOT a Dean supporter, except relative to Clark (and it does seem to have turned for now into a two-man race).

If you read my entire response to what Will wrote, you will see it has its ironic, indeed affectionate edge. (I specialize in doubt, including self-doubt, even about the things I feel most strongly.)

I don't really have a candidate. Maybe even Clark could win me over, if he keeps up the pressure on 9/11, PNAC and the lies. (If I could just chuck my own memories of 1999 down the hole.)

I will support the candidate who is most open in exposing the reign of lies, and who takes the clearest position against the USA PATRIOT Act and against the preventive war doctrine.


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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 10:10 AM
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39. I DID read your entire post...
And I did indeed catch the affectionate, ironic edge. My reply to
Will's question was not intended as put-down of what you wrote, just my guess as to "what he had to apologize for". Actually, the possibility that a supporter of someone other than Dean might use Clark to take the 'foam off the Dean wave' never occured to me before your post. (Not saying that's what Will was doing.)
Anyway, you've given me (at least) one more thing to be aware of...
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 04:02 PM
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15. I dont know what exactly
Just a hint Will maybe you should get a Kerry avatar to identify yourself as one that is if he is still your guy, I am gonna do the total opposite of saying you are forgiven for shit you have done, I am gonna thank you for writting that article on Kucinich, and doing campaign work for him. I dont know of this attack that poster speaks of, but it probably wasnt so bad.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 04:10 PM
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18. I ain't giving up my Ali avatar
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 05:49 PM
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25. You could do what I did with Ireland
Dont give him up indeed. You could do what I have done.
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theivoryqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 03:36 PM
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8. Coup d'etat?
There are some mean-minded, mean-spirited people out there, but I don't think all of them realize they are active supporters of Fascism. The Right desperately needs it's bible thumping supporters, because they don't question anything that wraps itself in the flag and around the cross. As for the educated portions of the Right, many seem to like the idea that someday, some how they too might finagle a fat contract like Halliburton/KBR. So they don't raise ethical/conflict of interest issues because the hope is to reap similar rewards. This happens across the political spectrum. In municipal politics it can get pretty hairy, if not downright surreal. Watching minority-owned businesses support blatently white-collar projects - all the while back-dealing so that some of the profits rain down on them like so much candy out of a punch-drunk pinata.

These two groups unfortunately complement each other too well: one can't think past demagogery and the other relies on public stupidity.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 03:44 PM
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11. For fundamentalists...
... without Satan, Christianity seems to have no meaning.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 03:46 PM
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12. Onward christian soldiers
these people are scary, scary, scary. They are a very dangerous minority that believe they know what is good for the majority of Americans.
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 03:57 PM
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14. That sign is reprehensible.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 04:10 PM
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17. I saw a worse bumper sticker on a pick up truck
one side had the flag.. other side had Jesus..

wording..

God Bless USA.. Salute BOTH
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 05:39 PM
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22. I saw one on a pickup in LA that said "Nuke Iraq"
the guy driving it looked like he might nuke me if I gave him a dirty look. A real nasty bad-ass type.

Ugh. Of course the truck was about to fall apart.
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idontwantaname Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 06:21 PM
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26. hey man... im in LA and drive a broke-ass pick-up too!...
WilliamPitt, this is an excellent post.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 04:08 PM
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16. Amen, brother William
A-f@cking-men

:grr::mad::grr:
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 04:19 PM
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19. I saw on some show-60 Minutes maybe- some RW Fundamentalist
chick basically said God killed Yitzak Rabin because he was ruining eventual Zionist control of Palestine and it was against God's will etc.

These people are awful scary. I worry more about Christian extremists in the U.S. than I do about Muslim extremists on the other side of the earth.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 04:19 PM
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20. And I thought I was too sick today...
to have the energy to get all het up, but you did it again. :-)

I'm not a christian particularly anymore but I was raised that way and I find much to admire in the teachings and life of Christ. He was one of the good guys and like so many other great teachers we'd all be a little better off if we'd pay attention to what he had to say.

To see what people do in his name is sickening sometimes. How could they possibly believe he would be in favor or war and death and the destruction of the natural world in a greedy quest for oil. And it's fairly easy to figure out what his reaction would be if he were here today. (It's right there in the book when he dealt with the situation in the Temple.) Then again, I suppose they just listen to whatever hate-filled drivel that is spewed to them instead of picking up the book and reading it. *sigh* Heaven forbid they should read a little and find out they're supposed to be following the path of peace.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 04:33 PM
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21. excellent article, Will
That poster is so weird ! Trust jesus? LOL!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 05:47 PM
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23. Some DU'er Had A Very Informative Post
on the Christian Reconstructionists... who they were, where they gave their money. I really had no idea before then how organized the Rightwing Fundies are.

It would be nice to see the Religious Left organize.

Part of the reason the Religious extremists are popular is because there's a huge hole in many people's lives that Materialism and Things can't fill. Unfortuately, the Religious Right speaks their empty rhetoric loudly and there's noone on the other side putting an alternative out there on the airwaves.

Rabbi Lerner does a fine job, IMO.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 05:48 PM
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24. You've done it again
Pulled a lot together in a short framework, nice.

Now who made that god damned sign?
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 08:08 PM
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27. this is not new
Christian fundamentalists and extremists have been infiltrating, influencing and infesting the government for at least the past twenty years or more. They got there by stealth and by wealth and other spurious means.

That they have reached this point is astonishing given this country's commitment via the Constitution to separation of church and state--but, sadly, they have done it. Additionally, they are gaining steam under Bush who has done everything he can to promote and enforce this particular interpretation of Christianity as the state religion--note the shocking, disgusting recent photo of Bush speaking to a church in Dallas, Texas, where he went, by the way, to preside over the opening of a 23 million dollar addition to this particular church's assets that would serve to help it's parishoners in some way-I hesitate to mention that it was reported to be a black church because I always stop to be scrupulous in questioning my own motives in citing color and race, but given the cheap way this president uses people, I think it is important to mention that-I think he is using the black people on this partcular venture for it's political advantage and I think they are vulnerable because traditionally they are poorer than the whites and need the money

-- I question why the president was the one invited to preside over this church celebration and opening , and not the church hierarchy of the particular sect of this Christian church, and I question why the parishoners in the pews were reported to chant "USA USA" when their president graced them with his appearance to celebrate a church event--howcome the president was there and not the highest of the ministerial?

I digress--

The backdrop in the photos , being one that proclaims Bush, by default,and by stealth, King and Lord is disconcerting--no it is laughable. It's message will, unfortunately, be believed by those who are conditioned to believe that some human beings are endowed with godly favor--ie
"saints".

We have seen that photo of the King and the Lord Bush on DU within the past 24 hours. It is surely a disgraceful photo to be embraced by any church or any religion but they will not be able to help it. Yet, there it is, it is shocking--it is embarassing, it is cheap and it is propagandist and he will get away with it because--well because it is "religious" and we have been taught to "respect" religion. People will be convinced that he is a Lord and a King of something--perhaps of themself, because they have been conditioned by the religion that endorses the notion that humans are and can be divinly endowed ,ie "saints" to believe their president could be such also. They have already been conditioned as to this and Bush has just stepped in to take advantage of that ignorance. Sad, imo.

Have we ever seen anything like that in the past of our presidents? I cannot remember it being so. So theatrical and so staged? How cheap have religious people become? How cheap has the Christian religion become? A president of the United States is taking his valuable time away from a serious war that has gone awry and it's serious failures as our kids die there, to speak and appear on the podium to a church to dedicate a 23 million dollar addition and be phtographed , purposefully with a backdrop that implies he is a king and a saint?

Religion has got to get out of our politics. It does not have the right to impose itself and it's tenets upon the citizens of a democratic country and bring us back to the dark ages where theocracy was the accepted mode because of the ignorance of the majority of the people.. This is NOT a Christian country! This is a nation of secular laws.
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 08:27 PM
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28. Did Boykin have to be confirmed by the Senate???
Or could Rummy simply install the guy???? I would like to see (I THINK) the list of senators who voted for such an extremist, if there was such a vote.
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 08:29 PM
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29. kick
:kick:

Excellent piece. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 08:32 PM
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30. a definite, hardcore, extremist...
ZOMBYKICK.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 08:43 PM
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31. I think you are slightly wrong.
“There has been a fundamentalist revolution in the United States. The extremists have taken control of the White House, Congress, the courts, and the military”

There has been a revolution all right but the Fundies are not behind it nor do they actually have control.
Behind it is the privileged class that controls most of the media as well as most of the actual wealth of the country. They are just using the fundies as a power base and have been for some time. And when the time is right, and they have complete control, they will drop them like a turd and flush away the problem.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 10:48 PM
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32. True enough
It's always good to have shock troops.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 07:35 AM
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33. I think this seizure of power by
our American Taliban is the scariest part of our whole coup. Listening to these extremist freaks in Congress, the extreme court, and the WH leaves NO doubt just how insane many of them are. Meanwhile, the People are completely out to lunch unwilling to believe what is happening or unaware (as our media is a part of the problem and rarely covers anything these freaks do unless it is an outrage or smear about a Democrat). This unholy alliance between "religious" nutcases and big corporations is most likely the greatest threat to our Country ever. Wouldn't it be cool to compile a list of the most frightening and whacked out things some of these psychos have spoken and spread it around. Imagine in the context of the actual things they have said what they are thinking and planning. In todays world everyday is Halloween, welcome to the 21st century.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 09:29 AM
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34. Watched "The Lion King" with the kids the other day
Back when this movie first came out, I never really "got" the political implications everyone was talking about, but now I do. There's a song sung by Scar, the evil brother of the King, where he describes to the hyenas how he will take power and that they should "Be Prepared" to be on his side when the coup comes down. It pretty clearly describes the relationship between the conservative power elite and the religious right.

I never thought hyenas essential
They're crude and unspeakably plain
But maybe they've a glimmer of potential
If allied to my vision and brain

I know that your powers of retention
Are as wet as a warthog's backside
But thick as you are, pay attention
My words are a matter of pride

It's clear from your vacant expressions
The lights are not all on upstairs
But we're talking kings and successions
Even you can't be caught unawares

So prepare for a chance of a lifetime
Be prepared for sensational news
A shining new era
Is tiptoeing nearer
And where do we feature?
Just listen to teacher

I know it sounds sordid
But you'll be rewarded
When at last I am given my dues
And injustice deliciously squared
Be prepared!

It's great that we'll soon be connected
With a king who'll be all-time adored

Of course, quid pro quo, you're expected
To take certain duties on board
The future is littered with prizes
And though I'm the main addressee
The point that I must emphasize is
You won't get a sniff without me!

So prepare for the coup of the century
Be prepared for the murkiest scam
Meticulous planning
Tenacity spanning
Decades of denial
Is simply why I'll
Be king undisputed
Respected, saluted
And seen for the wonder I am
Yes, my teeth and ambitions are bared
Be prepared!

Yes, our teeth and ambitions are bared -
Be prepared!

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SpaceCatMeetsMars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 10:10 AM
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38. Wow. Doesn't it makes sense in the context of all this
that the Dem politicians are somehow always ridiculed and portrayed as sissies and anti-military and decadent and so on? It's telling the people to identify with the strong team. That's what they are eating up. The jingoism is the new religion. It makes them feel like they belong to something.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 10:02 AM
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37. I'm not sure but I think I know who those people are.
I'm kind of sure from looking at other pictures that those guys are from Darwin Fish's (yes, his real name he was born with) divisive cult:

http://www.gty.org/~phil/articles/shirt.htm

He was kicked out of an evangelical church some years back and would picket out in front of it:

http://www.gty.org/~phil/articles/darwin.htm

I don't know them personally, I've just read about them on the web.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 10:33 AM
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40. but, it was on DU, as some totally trashed the anti-war protestors

the same DC anti-war protestors that STOOD UP to that sign, and other vicious wrong-wingers,

we were attacked by a whole wave of nasty people, using DU as their public relations campaign, vicious wrong wingers...called us every name they could think of...made accusations about our loyalties to America (even though, like me, many of us have sacrificed our own families for America in many wars)...called us vicious, nasty names, called us 'killers' and portrayed us as killing like stalin and hitler...and called us liars, toxic, twits, killers...

it is here on DU, not TV, but another public media read by many...that wrong-wingers did their dirty work on DU...and even convinced some 'normal' DUers to join them in their attacks, these nasty people spread their hate...and too few stood up to them, or were brave enough, like those who stood up to those nasty signs....it's sad that more won't stand up on DU to those who push this same agenda, using words the same as those bomb signs....

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 10:53 AM
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41. unfortunately, I see a little bit
and hear a little bit of this fundamentalist revolution everyday. It makes TRUE patriots shudder while the fake ones wave flags and say support the president.
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