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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 07:10 PM
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What About Your State?
Thinking about my home state of West Virginia I would go so far as to say that of the existing field of potential candidates only Clark could take West Virginia, but that he could take the state with ease.

Thom
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 07:12 PM
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1. WA State
Will definitely go Democrat.
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jono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 07:14 PM
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4. I think you're right
but I wouldn't say it with such certainty. We live in a bubble on the west side of the mountains.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 07:32 PM
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16. With one of the highest unemployment rates...
in the country, Bush will have a hard time beating a Democrat. West of the cascades is even more Democratic than 4 years ago due to unemployment and demographic changes.
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 08:48 PM
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46. Remember...
Our state even went for Dukakis when Shrub Sr. was sweeping the nation. There's no way it'll go for Dubya.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 09:11 PM
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47. Agree, here's a good article about Seattle...
Edited on Fri Oct-31-03 09:13 PM by SahaleArm
and presidential politics.

"But playing well in Seattle does not a presidency make. The Emerald City (formerly the Queen City) has gone gaga over some big-time liberal losers of the latter 20th century."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/connelly/138456_joel08.html
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 07:13 PM
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2. NC? Tossup for right now
We've been voting Republican for decades, but a really appealing Democrat could change that. We have plenty of military bases, and Bush is shafting them all.
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 06:26 PM
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39. I can't tell,
because where I live, bush is hated passionately, at least by people I hang out with. But once you get out of Asheville, I suspect that you see repukes here and there... I don't even know any.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 07:13 PM
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3. NC
An uphill battle -- even for our favorite son.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 07:15 PM
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5. Oregon
90% chance of going democrat - no matter who.

Why would WV - with 2 Dem senators - be putting such tight restrictions on their support?
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 07:28 PM
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12. The West Virginia Secret
Here is what I would say of the state, virtually everyone in the state is registered as a Democrat and the vast majority of them are moderate Republicans at heart. Labor/Union matters aside when you talk to people in this state you do not see the social and ecological concerns that you find in California for example. Its a much different society and the environment is looked at from an entirely different viewpoint as well. In matters of national defense and even the economy this is basically a Republican state. I think as much as anything the predominance of Democrats as registered voters is really a matter of heritage, which is fine, but when it comes time to mark the X in the box that goes right out the window. At least that's how it seems to me. I could be dead wrong.

Thom
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 07:15 PM
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6. TN
in my opinion is a tossup, although Edwards or CLark would stand a chance as far as Democrats go.
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 07:18 PM
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7. have seen a couple of Edwards
bumper stickers around here in huntington (wv) and the usual batch of gas guzzlers with bush-cheney ones. i can profile these people - they're all the most selfish drivers around!
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FarLeftRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 07:20 PM
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8. New York
will never go to dimson mccokehead...
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 07:25 PM
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10. wi
will probably go democrat although I wouldnt be surprised if the rethugs rig the election to make bush and all rethugs win by landslides.
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 08:13 PM
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24. Isn't..
Senator Feingold up for re-election this year? That could drive-up Democrat turnout.

And the Greens did very well there in 2000, but I doubt they'll get as many votes in WI this time around. That should help.
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LastKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 07:24 PM
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9. SD
The Lost Cause...

i dont think this state will ever wake up, as soon as i get outta high school im outta here... to somewhere more... enlightened

-LK
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 07:25 PM
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11. CT is going Dem!
If the candidate has a strong campaign, I'd say 60% of us will vote for the Dem!
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 07:29 PM
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13. Illinois is solidly Democratic.
Whomever the Democratic candidate is, will win Illinois.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 06:29 PM
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41. I disagree
Edited on Fri Oct-31-03 06:30 PM by Padraig18
If CMB, AS or DK is the nominee, IL will become a new 'red state'.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 06:54 PM
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42. What are the odds of that?
*NM*
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 07:04 PM
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44. Just sayin'...
:hi:
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 07:30 PM
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14. Texas
Edited on Thu Oct-30-03 07:31 PM by last_texas_dem
I'm sure it is in the bag for Chimpy, though I guess that goes without saying. I figure even if the Democrat wins in a landslide and lots of "red" states go for the Democratic candidate, TX would still go w/ Shrub out of "state pride" or some similar nonsense. (For example, I come from a moderate Democrat-leaning county that voted for the Shrub after only having voted for a Republican candidate once before (Nixon in '72).)

However, if I were to predict the candidate who could best give Shrub a run for his money in Texas it would probably be Gen. Wesley Clark. He's not my favorite, or even in my "top five" when I really think about it, but I still see him as having the best shot of at least making it close here.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 05:53 PM
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34. I agree- for now
However, all the demographic trends in Texas are showing us to be Dem leaning in the not so distant future. If we aren't already, we'll be a majority minority state by the next census, and that will definitely help break the repub stranglehold! In fact, many people think that's why the repubs pulled their redistricting fiasco, to try to hold on to power as long s possible.

That said, I think Clark, Dean and Edwards all play well here for a Dem candidate (Clark especially among Texas males- maybe it's the machismo thing?). None will win the state, but the thing to watch is the margin of victory. If a Dem gets more than 40% in this state, the repubs are in deep trouble!


:hi: Richard!
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 07:31 PM
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15. CA
After the success of the Recall, I can't predict what CA will do. I think it will stay Dem but who knows? Dennis Miller may run against Barbara Boxer, which makes no sense unless yoou think a RW media whore would make a good Senator.

MzPip
:dem:
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 08:05 PM
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21. Too true
If Davis had been able to beat the Recall then I would say that we would be going blue without debate, but I'm not so sure now. If we had someone who could bring the public's focus to things like ENRON and BUSH connection it WILL go dem. Even the most die-hard Republican in this state is still pissed over what Enron did to us. If the candidate in 2004 can make that a HUGE issue here, then Bush will sink faster than the Lusitania.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 07:57 PM
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17. CA
I don't think Bush* stands a chance here. Any of the top tier candidates could take it.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 08:00 PM
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19. With all respect to Mszip
I think the recall was an anomaly. Everyone hated or disliked Gray Davis. Even the people who voted for him.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 07:59 PM
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18. Earlier this week a poll said the majority (51%) of Georgians
are planning to vote for Bush again. 38% said they would vote for a Democrat. Clark led the Dem. candidates.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 12:30 AM
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54. That's actually not a huge majority...
Bush won that state by a pretty sizable margin (by over 12%). God, to win that and rub it in Zell's face...Yeah, I know I'm dreamin' but hey ya never know!
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SiobhanClancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 08:05 PM
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20. Massachusetts..
tough question....I'll have to think about it:)
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 08:08 PM
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22. MY dang redistricted Touch Screen votin' Red State???!!!
sigh.

I thank the lord we still have Degette.
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 08:12 PM
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23. I think only Clark and Gephardt can take WV.
Edited on Thu Oct-30-03 08:16 PM by rsammel
Gephardt would neutralize Bush's advantage in the Northern Panhandle. I think there's other people out there who might win the national election, but only for those two would it be with WV.

However, I now live in a certain state that makes West Virginia and West Virginians look like residents of Berkeley (and not Berkeley County, either).
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 05:30 PM
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25. That's Interesting
The strong workers positon would be assured, and that would bring an awful lot of folks back home to the Democratic party, no doubt about that at all. All in all though I still think Clark could do it here with any of the leaders other than Liberman.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 05:34 PM
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26. Wisconsin
Here I think Bush has real trouble. Wisconsin is very disatisified with the status-quo and he has fairly low approval ratings here right now. However, an anti-gun Democrat will not win here. Gore carried Wisconsin by a MUCH smaller margin than he should have because of the gun issue. Northern Wisconsin can go heavily Democratic if you run on a pro-gun rights platform. By this criteria, I would say Dean and Clark are the guys you want here. Gephardt would do fairly well too.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 05:36 PM
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27. Provided the voting isn't rigged, Clark would CRUSH in PA!
Just my opinion.

And of course the idea that the Bushveiks won't cheat as they did in 2000 and 2002, is somewhat dubious.

The worse things look for them, the more they'll cheat.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 05:38 PM
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28. I have seen some data on PA and it looks tight.
I think that is to be expected because of the fact that of the voting electorate in PA, 40% are Dems, 40% are Repukes, and 20% are independents. However, if I was a betting man I would put money on the Dems carrying PA.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 05:39 PM
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29. Oklahoma - yeah right
I live in the buckle of the bible belt, and that is why I know that the only vote that may mean anything is one for Wesley Clark.

John Edwards has some support here, but Clark, being a neighbor, and with the respect for the military here....maybe, just maybe there might be a chance.

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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 05:41 PM
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30. I think we would have to win the nation by 20% to win OK.
If we were competitive in OK, I would just sit back and relax and have a big smile on my face in november of next year.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 05:52 PM
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33. I know
but one can be a dreamer.

Did you know that Eugene V. Debs got 33% of the vote here? The state used to be quite progressive. Problem is, too many Texans moved here ( just kidding)
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 05:57 PM
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35. also in OK
As far as I can tell, the only democratic candidate who would have any chance at all in OK would be Clark.

And Clark attacks aWol hard enough on 9-11 and national security that it really might get a lot of people in OK to actually think about voting for Clark.

Dean? absolutely NOT. Why? the big religious right/right wing push on the anti-homosexual defense of marriage ammendment
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 06:07 PM
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37. I'm in OK too...
Not much chance of going dem, but I sure do plan to pad the popular vote.
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 05:44 PM
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31. Oregon--Easily Democratic
especially without Nader
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 09:39 PM
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50. Oregon - Democrat
Especially w/having the highest unemployment in the country.
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John_Shadows_1 Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 05:48 PM
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32. South Carolina...
... hey, maybe 3004.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 06:01 PM
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36. Speculation
There may be more good sense in the Carolinas than many think. That is the impression I get talking to friends in coastal NC and central SC. The people I talk to have an awful lot of respect for the military, and just about everyone has served, so the disgrace on the aircraft carrier did not sit well. That's how its seemed to me anyway.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 06:22 PM
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38. Michigan must go Dem
No Democratic candidate can win without Michigan, a vital swing state. Too early to say, but if Shrub takes Michigan, it's over. I don't think he will.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 06:28 PM
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40. Illinois
Dean, Clark, Kerry, Edwards, Gephart and *maybe* Lieberman could win Illinois. As regards the other 3---- make it a new 'red state'.
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absolutezero Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 07:01 PM
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43. Jersey is Dem
we don't vote for no freakin repukes, ya get me?

unless they're running againt mcgreevey...he's scum
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 12:36 AM
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55. What's with McGreevey?
He seems pretty corrupt, reminiscent of another NJ Dem that's fortunately out of office...Lautenberg seems like he's doin a decent job though, and Corzine's great.
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greendog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 08:46 PM
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45. Montana
Democrats have been picking up votes in state and local races over the past couple of election cycles. This, so far, has not translated to many victories. It's still a very Republican state and will most likely remain that way through the rest of the decade.
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Redneck Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 09:28 PM
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48. NH
I think Clark could do it in the general election. If bushie fucks up really badly Dean has an outside chance, (slim but remotely possible) and Edwards if he gets rolling would stack up favorably next to the chimp.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 09:35 PM
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49. Florida BFEE
Can we have a fair election here????

If so I think Dean or Clark would have a pretty good chance.

But who knows, it's Florida 'the rules are different here'
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 10:20 PM
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51. Alaska is troglodyte repug but I think Clark could give * a run for his
money. I think the vote will be split. I think the dem, Knowles
will win over the repuke appointee daughter of Frank, Lisa
Murkowski. That kind of dissatisfaction coupled with a man like
Clark could bear traction. The rethugs haven't exactly endeared
themselves to the bush and other rural areas and the natives and
Stevens is being investigated with the trophy wife for ethics
violations.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 10:28 PM
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52. Missouri
Possibly Dean or Clark could take it. I think there's definitely a chance we could go Dem. Guns are a hot issue here. They got conceal\carry passed, with the help of some Democrats. There area lot of Dem supporters who like their guns here. Neutralizing that issue could turn us blue.
I'm not sure about the other candidates chances. I'm really not convinced that Gep could win here.
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Booger Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 10:29 PM
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53. Kansas
Clark
Maybe Edwards
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TrueBlueDem Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 12:45 AM
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56. Maryland -- Dean ahead
http://www.thewbalchannel.com/politics/2589984/detail.html

Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean continues to lead the field in Maryland among likely March 2004 Democratic primary voters.

Statewide, 23 percent support Dean, 20 percent favor former V.P. nominee Joe Lieberman, 11 percent back recently entered Wesley Clark, 9 percent say they're for Congressman Richard Gephardt, 7 percent support John Edwards and John Kerry, 6 percent are for Reverend Al Sharpton, 2 percent back former Illinois Senator Carol Moseley Braun, and 1 percent pick vocal anti-war Congressman Dennis Kucinich.

The poll discovered that among Democrats, 80 percent (49 percent "very likely"/31 percent "somewhat likely") say that their vote next year will at least to some extent be determined by anger toward Bush, and among black voters, 87 percent claim likewise.

The polling numbers hint that the potential may be in place for this anger to breed and grow depending on what happens between now and next year.
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