Did anyone else just see the Saddham torture video shown on CNN?

[eleny]

I coudn't believe my eyes. I had to turn off the set. I had the sound turned off while listening to Mike Malloy. I looked up to see a guy shoved off a building and then another had his tongue grabbed with pliers.

I suppose it's because so many people are turning against the war. So they need to horrify us to gain support for the action. I'm disgusted by what I saw. It's still prime time here in Colorado. It's not even 9 P.M. yet. I'll write to CNN and Aaron Brown. Two whores.

[MuseRider]

1. Accidentally, me too.

I was eating a great cheeseburger. Needless to say I saw more than I wanted to on my way to turn it off. My cheesburger is still sitting there uneaten. There is no excuse for this, none.

[w13rd0]

2. Did the WH or an agency of the WH release that video?

If so, they really should be asked what purpose it serves to censor footage of troops returning home in pineboxes but release snuff films in prime time. What will we tell the children?

[liberalnurse]

27. I heard katherine Harris...aka

Cruilla Deville, 2000 Gore-Bush whore of the GOP, just got back from Iraq and picked this up for *bush and company.

[ForestsBeatBushes]

57. Seriously, I heard that

the military has declassified little bits for us...as more voters turn away from the war and turn to the democrats. Seriously.

[Sushi_lover]

3. Remember what Aaron Brown said

Amy Goodman asked him why he wouldn't show dead or wounded Iraqis from the U.S. bombing.

His answer, "We don't want war to be pornography."

[barbaraann]

4. I cancelled my cable today because of the torture video.

Just when I think it can't get any worse, it does. If showing a video of torture and using the word "gruesome" to promote it isn't evil, I don't know what is. And it wasn't just CNN.

[dweller]

14. and that is the first step

towards bringing down the media whore.

good for you.
:thumbsup:
dp

[Clark Can WIN]

31. CNN has been the biggest freakin' Bush whore for days now

I think they are trying to out Faux fox lately.

[maggrwaggr]

42. oh most definitely

It's been obvious, and very very weird.

It started in earnest about 3 weeks ago.

[LeftistGorilla]

69. aint propaganda a bitch?

too bad American allies like Saudi Arabia and Egypt do the same shit...

[jonnyblitz]

5. Fox beat them to it. I believe I saw it last night on Fox

Not sure if it was before or after the Sean Hannity/Zell Miller interview...

[forgethell]

24. Sean Hannity

showed it first, I believe. I though I was unshockable, but I was totally wrong. makes you think, doesn't it??

[jonnyblitz]

26. I surely can't argue with you on that one BUT

I know what they are up to...

[KaraokeKarlton]

38. I first saw it the show O'Reilly hosts

That guy annoys the crap out of me, but I will grant him the fact that he gave a very stern warning that the clip was VERY graphic and that adults should not let kids see it before he ran the clip. A lot of stations don't even give you that kind of warning.

[SayitAintSo]

6. I saw it - Pukes are just trying to build war support through fear

I wonder how the Gitmo films would compare to these ? But of course our government wouldn't ever engage in any human rights abuses ...

[La_Serpiente]

7. What the hell

they should've showed the pictures from the peace activist killed in Israel. This is just a sympathy move by CNN for the White House.

They shouldn't have shown it at all. If they showed that picture and not any other pictures of tragic deaths of the Palestinians or those in Kazakistan, or Turkey, then why show it at all? They are just trying to appeal to our emotions.

I don't mean to demean those persons when I write this.

[glarius]

8. They've been showing it all day on CNN ...add it to the "good" economic

news they're pushing and I think you're right...they're trying to scare you into supporting them!

[maveric]

9. Could that be happening at Guantanamo?

Do we know how many terra suspects are there now and how many were there a year ago?
Would it surprise you id the good ole US of A is doing the same sort of thing?
I wonder.....?????

[Media_Lies_Daily]

32. Since torture is illegal on American soil...

...Gitmo is probably already being used for those purposes. Remember the hint dropped back in May 2003 about execution chambers being built at Camp X-Ray? That was almost five months ago...plenty of time for the construction to have already been done.

US Plans Death Camp
<http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/052703B.shtml>

Excerpt:

"The US has floated plans to turn Guantanamo Bay into a death camp, with its own death row and execution chamber.

Prisoners would be tried, convicted and executed without leaving its boundaries, without a jury and without right of appeal, The Mail on Sunday newspaper reported yesterday. The plans were revealed by Major-General Geoffrey Miller, who is in charge of 680 suspects from 43 countries, including two Australians.

The suspects have been held at Camp Delta on Cuba without charge for 18 months. General Miller said building a death row was one plan. Another was to have a permanent jail, with possibly an execution chamber.

Based on what I've read and heard, another option is farming the "detainees" out to foreign allies that are more than willing to use torture....Israel comes to mind for some odd reason.

[NNN0LHI]

43. It may be illegal. That still does not stop it from happening here

http://www.truthinjustice.org/burge.htm

Judge appoints special prosecutor in police torture probe

By Mike Robinson
Associated Press Writer
April 24, 2002

A judge appointed a special prosecutor today to investigate allegations that criminal suspects were tortured by a Chicago police homicide commander and the detectives under him.

Judge Paul Biebel found that State’s Attorney Richard Devine had the appearance of a conflict of interest and would not seem objective if he investigated the charges. snip

Defense attorneys have been charging for more than a decade that former Lt. Jon Burge, the one-time commander of a violent crimes unit that covered the far south end of the city, and the detectives under him tortured suspects until they confessed by placing a typewriter cover over their heads, dunking them in water and giving them electric shocks.

The Police Department fired Burge in 1993 after an internal investigation found one instance of improper conduct.

more

And just so you know, Lt. Jon Burge is now enjoying his retirement playing golf in Florida. Nice, huh?

Don

[radwriter0555]

10. Ah, the latest feature from the Langley Production Company?

Nah.... why bother?

[Minstrel Boy]

11. I wonder, does anyone have videos of

Tiger Force units carving ears from Viet Cong sympathizers, and stringing them on their belts?

If the fairness doctrine were still in effect, maybe they'd have to broadcast those images, too.

War justification has become snuff titilation.

:mad:

[Skittles]

12. perhaps we should send some videos from Huntsville Texas

to Iraq

[ForestsBeatBushes]

58. Allow me

to present my signature line:

[KharmaTrain]

13. Questions...Questions...Questions

The first thing I questioned was the source and age of the video. The grainy film could have been shot anytime over the last 25 years...including those golden years when Iraq was "our friend" in the 80's.

Next I questioned were these Iraqis or Kuwaitis or Egyptians or bad actors? I can't tell and I don't think others can. Unless someone didn't send me the memo, I've been led to believe torture is a common practice in the Arab world. Yes, this regime has no credibility in my book as to how it fabricates its ongoing media fornication.

Finally...the BIG question. Does this video, or the "shock attempt" meant by it's being programmed to the American media machine (just like the Clinton tapes, Jessica Lynch rescue et al) or another diversionary tactic change your opinion about this war or stiffen your resolve (pro or con)? Curious minds want to know...

[eleny]

22. If you're asking me about how it made me feel...

it strengthened my resolve agaisnt the war. Resolved against the war and resolved to not watch CNN, Fox and anywhere else I learn it's been shown.

[HFishbine]

45. Radioactive

Good questions all.

Now, the way things have been going lately, I have a prediction. Your questions will not fall by the wayside. Answers will come and I suspect they will be another embarrassment for the administration and the right-wing media whores.

[Vitruvius]

62. Remember, the CIA teaches torture techniques to the Saddams of this world

and the film looks pretty standard. Saddam learned his lessons well.

Remember also: the CIA helped engineer the coup that brought the Baathists to power in Iraq, then radioed in lists of democrats & liberals to be executed.

Yes, our former client Saddam was a vicious brutal beast. Our vicious brutal beast. We picked him & taught him much of what he knows...


P.S: And -- as other posters have pointed out -- we are no doubt using our standard torture techniques at Gitmo. The same standard torture techniques...

[slaveplanet]

63. And don't forget

all the recent normalization propadanda...24 & Threat matrix come to mind....Torture is sooo goood.

[Oilwellian]

15. I saw it on Lou Dobbs and he said...

Rummy was the first one to mention the tape and although it wasn't the Pentagon who actually released it to the media, they lead CNN & Fox to where it could be obtained. He also said the Pentagon's had the tape since last April. I guess they were saving it for a special debut. Absolutely disgusting.

[rooboy]

16. Faux and CNN are resorting to snuff movies to sell this war. n/t

[RedSox02]

17. Fox News got it first (hint hint)

Just listened to a taped rerun of Hannity on the radio an hour ago. Sean brings up how Fox News was the first to recieve a copy of the torture video (As Beavis and Butthead would say whenever seeing a pregnant woman, Gee how'd that happen)ANyways, I thought to myself, "How long until Sean brigns up the Democrats who oppsoed the war" Well within five seconds of that thought, Sean was railing against the Dems for nto having the courage to stand up to this torture. Sean should go visit the Congo in Africa, or Sierra Leone, where kids were drugged and forced to dismember other kids. Why aren't we invading there Sean? Where is our Brave President?

[Guaranteed]

18. Emailed CNN.

Told em that they could show all the Iraqi torture videos they wanted if they would show the flag-draped coffins of the Americans coming home.

[Military Brat]

19. Rove's fingerprints all over this

Disgusting! I don't watch television, and this is one of the reasons why. I guess this vindicates Aljazeera, then, doesn't it? Remember the outrage of their filming dead soldiers? It was supposed to be because the U.S. was taking the high moral ground.

It's a snuff film. What next? Films of Uday raping girls and women?

[soothsayer]

20. thankfully our friends the Saudis don't do anything like that--no, wait

they do, and so do lots o' arab countries we like.

[pocoloco]

34. and South American ones too!

[ForestsBeatBushes]

59. Amen, Brother.

[haymaker]

21. I smell desparation. Anyone else?

What's next?

[diamond14]

30. bush* is really desparate...this may backfire almost as big as

the 'mission accomplished' banner...because just today, there were leaflets distributed all over Baghdad, from saddam's minions, encouraging the ongoing TET offensive...and saddam may still return...

this torture film, and the total inability to capture saddam (who may already be mounting a big return) will just raise the question again: hey bush*, where is saddam??? the brutal tyrant...we thought you spent billions of dollars and risked thousands of OUR young soldiers to catch saddam....

[alphafemale]

23. Will they also drag out the "Puppy Snuff" again?

This is so blatent and sickening.

War Whores.

[NNN0LHI]

25. Good Lord - I've heard about this - cat juggling!

Stop! Stop! Stop it! Stop it! Stop it! Good. Father, could there be a god that would let this happen? How much do you want? - Navin R. Johnson -

[Media_Lies_Daily]

28. Okay, honest opinions needed on this "film"...

...outside of being TOLD that this is a film of Saddam supporting Iraqis torturing and killing prisoners, what proof do we have?

Is this a real piece of film, or are we once again being sold a bill of goods to pump up anti-Saddamist fever?

Please respond...I personally have seen nothing to indicate the nationality of any of these people.

[eleny]

37. I agree with you. We have no way of knowing...

anything but that on the face of it, it's a disgusting display of disrespect for viewers/citizens. But if it's supposed to make me feel good about helping to finance the war, it's a failure. No matter where the film was produced and what natonalities.

The administration who released it and the networks who air it are degenerates.

[maggrwaggr]

41. maybe it's as real as the "Fat Osama" tape

which, if you look at the picture on the right, was obviously not of the real Osama.

[NNN0LHI]

29. Hollywood: The Pentagon's new advisor

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/1891196.stm

Die Hard screenwriter Steve de Souza has revealed he was among a group of Hollywood film makers asked to give advice to the Pentagon following the 11 September attacks.

Last October about two dozen writers and directors were commissioned to brainstorm with Pentagon advisers and officials in an anonymous building in LA. snip

"My first thought was if they're coming to me they must be in trouble," de Souza told Panorama. snip

"So if we got one new idea, or one new vulnerability that we thought of that the Pentagon would not think of then we accomplished something."

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[LoZoccolo]

33. I'm not against...

...removing a dictator on human rights grounds.

But that's not the case that was made. And if we had made that case, we probably wouldn't have ended up with "control" of Iraq (which, as we're seeing, is very hard to maintain).

[tlb]

64. Human Rights were incuded in the October war resolution.

but not emphasized.


" ; Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolution of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population ..."

http://www.yourcongress.com/ViewArticle.asp?article_id=2686

[G_j]

35. will they show film of SOA graduates

(School Of The Americas, Fort Bennng, Columbus Ga.) practicing their torture techniques?

[librechik]

36. see, Saddam was a brutal dictator, so it's good we got rid of him

no matter what. Vote for Bush.

[corarose]

39. They keep saying that they don't know when these tapes were made

They could be 20 years old for all we know and it could possibly be from the last war.

[Cat Atomic]

40. But they don't put it in proper perspective. They should say, "this

was happening while Reagan and Bush Sr. were supporting Saddam Hussein with money and weaponry. This is a man Cheney was doing business with right through 1998".

But no- that won't happen.

Honestly, this makes me think of Orwell's 1984. Remember the murder videos they'd show the people in movie theaters, with people being blown to bits? Hmm.

[gulliver]

46. So true. I can't wait for the vice presidential debate.

Cheney: Hussein was the most evil villain ever to take human form.

Dem Answer 1: Then maybe you shouldn't have done so much business with him, Dick.

Dem Answer 2: Nah. Give yourself some credit, Dick.

...

I don't see how Cheney slips by this time.

[ScreamingMeemie]

44. kick

[bluefire2000]

47. no WMD, but look at these videos!

They're horrible, but this was not the justification used to invade Iraq! If it were, how many more countries should we invade??? Good 'ol bait and switch. But I guess it will provide great fodder for morans.

BTW, Based on some of the typical torture tactics I read about being used in Iraq (e.g., public tongue cutting for dissenters) I tend to think that these videos are in Iraq.

[piece sine]

48. Here I am at the end of this thread

(at least for now) and I saw no digust for what an absolute military dictator has done to Iraqi dissenters. Oh, there's plenty of digust for CNN, Fox, Bushco (where much is deserved, granted) -- BUT what kind of people populate DU? Ladies and Gentlemen, no one here saw fit to address the Hussein regime's actual crimes caught on tape. No one!

Nothing but salivating political hacks without a true humanitarian or pacificist or progressive anywhere in sight. HATE the media; HATE the government; HATE Bush.... but then HATE Saddam? HATE the raw crimes on tape before us?! Naaaaww! No political advantage to it!

[Flubadubya]

49. Give it a rest...

and give us a break. Do you really think that all anyone cares about here is the political advantage of the tapes. If I'm not mistaken, it is the political advantage that the right is reaping from them that DU'ers are raling against.

I have seen plenty of revulsion on the part of respondents here to the cruelty and brutality of the Saddam regime's actions. It's a given that it is cruel and immoral. The point is that there was no good reason other than political advantage (on the part of the right) to release these atrocities for public viewing.

I think you pick on the wrong side here, buddy. Might better review the posts on this thread 'cause I think you have reached a completely dead wrong conclusion.

Just how are DU'ers taking political advantage of this? I don't get it.

[Plaid Adder]

51. Don't bother...

Take a look at the Andrew Sullivan thread, you'll notice a startling similarity to his contributions there...

:yawn:

The Plaid Adder

[jayfish]

52. I Guess You Didn't Really Read Much Of This Thread.

Because, as stated above, there is no way of knowing the origin of these tapes. They could have come from our good buddies in Saudi Arabia for all you know.

Jay

[RapidCreek]

70. Gotta question for you....

Why were the tapes shown? Do we know Hussein tortured people? No not really....but most of us assume that he did because that is what we've been told by the media. Do we believe torturing human beings is wrong? Yes most of us do. Most of us don't know how many Iraqi civilians ended up like the little girl below because the media does not tell us that. Why is that? Why was the tape aired?. What purpose did it serve? Explain exactly. I mean you being a peace loving, true humanitarian and progressive...you should be able to fill us all in.

How come this hasn't been shown?



I got about 100 more...just like this one....Why aren't we seeing them on the news? Why aren't we seeing flag draped coffins coming off of airplanes? Would you explain that as well? I sure would appreciate it. Is this all the "positive stuff" Bush says the media isn't showing? It must be eh? Cause the media isn't showing it.

How do you know the tape is genuine? Because you saw it on TV and Hannity said so? I mean, for fucks sake....the media didn't show the fake niger yellowcake document on TV did they? Why not? They haven't channeled in on the lies Powell told the UN either, have they? Why not? They haven't remarked consistently on the fact that a man who swaggered across a flight deck in a top gun costume was declared unfit to fly an airplane because he disobeyed a direct order to take a flight physical and subsequently went AWOL for two years either....have they? Why not? Why was the tape aired?. WHAT PURPOSE DID IT SERVE?

RC
VET

[Fleshdancer]

50. scary video just in time for Halloween

We should bet on what kind of video will come out next if this video doesn't do the trick. Given that we are such a desensitized country and the highest rated tv show right now is CSI, I don't think this video will be as shocking as rummy and bush want.

Here's my bet:

To scare the neocons...lots of hot, steamy gay sex. Although I don't think it would be the sex that would scare them, but rather their excitement that would send most of them over the edge.

To scare us liberals...I don't know, forcing kids to bunt kick little puppies??? Or worse, finding out Saddaam is behind the Florida ballot fiasco of 2000. We might get ridiculously violent over that. You never know.

lol

[Iris]

53. I don't have cable,but it was on news reports on the regular networks.

Disgusting.

It's just propaganda.

[swinney]

54. show anguish from Bush illegal executions.

show what European and Asians saw on their Tv of our Slaughterhouse.

It was sick. It was on internet.
4 year old girl with no feet just two legs to ankle.
half face blown away.

over 6,000 killed. Civilians. Innocents. Non-combatants.

Add on 4,000 civilians in Afghanistan.

slaugherhouse-slaughterhouse

No need for shock and awe. One man in Baghdad was the target.

This part of our history will never be nice. We will be condemned.

[Scott Lee]

55. The USA has a lot of experience tossing people from 'copters

I did see the video and that it ironic that it was being broadcast now, from a country that taught this very tactic to rightwing military death squads while being trained at the once-named School of The Americas in Georgia.

While John Negroponte (now, humiliatingly, occupying a seat at the United Nations) was US ambassador to Honduras, rightwing death squads trained in the USA (that's right folks - the USA has long trained and harbored terrorists) were throwing leftist women activists out of helicopters hundreds of feet off the ground. When Negroponte was approached in his office, numerous times by concerned Hondurans and North Americans, he brushed them off saying he couldn't help what the rightwing death squads did.

You might want to think about this the next time you see the "horrors" of Saddam's Regime. He had really, really good teachers.

[slaveplanet]

56. Sacred Cows

make the best burgers

[ForestsBeatBushes]

60. earlier some guy

brought Israel into this; now, you have to go and bring in India; jeez!

[slaveplanet]

61. well

there's a lotta cows

[ForestsBeatBushes]

66. and they're so tasty too

[spanone]

65. Story on front page of today's paper about 1967 atrocities in Nam

we're not above anyone.

[ForestsBeatBushes]

67. You are so right.

could you pls provide a link for my lazy self?

[devinsgram]

68. That is it exactly,

they needed to show those pictures to try and gain more support. But they have to remember there are still many dictators out there in many other countries doing the same thing.